In a message dated 4/30/04 7:00:33 AM Central Daylight Time, ILMADISO-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << And I'm wary of putting a 'self-renewing' subscription on my card without first talking to someone who has used the site happily. >> I avoid all "self-renewing" subscriptions. Ancestry.com made my life miserable for months before I could get them to cancel the service. If a site is worthwhile, I think users will renew without being trapped into perpetual subscriptions. PennyM

Listers: Join the club, I second PennyM. It's like pulling teeth with an eyebrow tweezer to get out once you are in. AND YOU WILL STILL NOT GET YOUR MONEY BACK. Dewey

A note to all WEBTV users. You can't even get INTO the site. I found the same thing with genealogy and ancestry. They give you two weeks to try it out and then everything for which you ask it says it isn't available, do don't fall for it. Stick with this site and others like it. There are great people in Illinois who will be glad to do lookups for WEBTV users. And don't forget that every surname you can think of has a site. I refuse to give them my credit card number anymore. It was dangerous to do it in the first place. People on computers, I understand, do not have that problem. This doesn't answer the gentlemans question on NewspaperArchives.com, however. I usually just write the Intelligencer and they will send me what I need. It is a great newspaper. And if you can't find what you need anywhere else, you can find it at the Secretery of State Archives. Dewey

Just wondered if there are any satisfied users of NewspaperArchives.com on this list...particularly if you are using a Mac. They have archives of the Edwardsville Intelligencer available, and a quick search with my surnames showed several articles of interest. But some of the advanced search features didn't work for me. And I'm wary of putting a 'self-renewing' subscription on my card without first talking to someone who has used the site happily. Thanks for any input!

Thanks Dewey, I found the site. It works great! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dewey Everts" <Evertshistory@webtv.net> To: <ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] Plat map of Edwardsville Twp. > Dennis, > www.dot.state.il.us/mapsal2.html. I hope that is correct. I don't see > too well anymore. > > Dewey > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Cyndi's List of Genealogy Links-Lots of helpful links for your research. > http://www.cyndislist.com/ > >

I don't know about online but they do have them in a book. I have a copy. They send them out free to residents in the farm areas. Ellie

Dennis, www.dot.state.il.us/mapsal2.html. I hope that is correct. I don't see too well anymore. Dewey

Ensminger? When I was in the Army one of the guys, a Captain, I beleve, was named Ensminger. I will have to dig out my papers but it was either at Fort Ord, Fort Riley of Fort Sheridan. I worked for him. I am 75 and I am sure he is gone by now. He was a great man. Dewey Genealogy site below: You can choose friends; you are stuck with relatives. http://community-2.webtv.net/Evertshistory/EVERTSCRITESafamily http://community.webtv.net/Deweyphotos/EVERTSCRITESFAMILY

Thank you for your reply. Do you know where I might obtain a copy? Or, do you think I might obtain a scanned copy by email of the page showing Sec 5-Twp4N-Rg7W-3rd p.m.? (if that is not a copyright problem). My gr-gr-gr-grandfather Thomas Barnett was the original owner of the NE1/4 of NW1/4 of Sec 5, ca 1817. I think U.S. Highway 55 (formerly Route 66) goes through the property now. He also had property adjacent to the north in Twp.5N. Curious to know if the area is still farmed, part of Edwardsville, or other use. Dennis Cochrane, Alberta ----- Original Message ----- From: <PALMEEM@aol.com> To: <ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] Plat map of Edwardsville Twp. > I don't know about online but they do have them in a book. I have a copy. > They send them out free to residents in the farm areas. Ellie > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search Engine for Genealogy Madison County Illinois > http://www.google.com/search?q=Genealogy+Madison+County+Illinois&btnG=Google+Search > >

"They" who? Is it possible to write somewhere and buy a copy? --- PALMEEM@aol.com wrote: > I don't know about online but they do have them in a book. I have a > copy. > They send them out free to residents in the farm areas. Ellie > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search Engine for Genealogy Madison County Illinois > http://www.google.com/search?q=Genealogy+Madison+County+Illinois&btnG=Google+Search > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

Looking for a good recent online plat map of Edwardsville Twp. showing section numbers (or lines) as well as highways. Thanks.

Msg #3 from Gaye. If you can help her, contact Gaye <Gjwillis@aol.com> gf >Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 18:55:58 -0600 >X-From_: Gjwillis@aol.com Mon Apr 26 18:55:58 2004 >From: Gjwillis@aol.com >Old-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:55:52 EDT >To: ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5106 >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 >X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list >Subject: {not a subscriber} Probate records at Edwardsville >X-Envelope-To: ILMADISO-L > >I've been doing more checking today and wondered if anyone knows if there is >an index to the probate records at the Edwardsville courthouse. Also, are >those microfilms that same ones that a person can get through the Family >History >Centers? > >Thanks, >Gaye

Msg two from Gaye. If you can help her, contact Gaye <Gjwillis@aol.com> gf >Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:10:19 -0600 >X-From_: Gjwillis@aol.com Mon Apr 26 13:10:19 2004 >From: Gjwillis@aol.com >Old-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:10:18 EDT >To: ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5106 >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 >X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list >Subject: {not a subscriber} John Wesley and Matilda Craddock >JOHNSON: Alton/Upper Alton, abt 1837 to 1902 >X-Envelope-To: ILMADISO-L > >I'm researching the family of John Wesley and Matilda Craddock JOHNSON. I'm >hoping to find connections with other descendants and would welcome any >suggestions of where to look next. (I have the family census records from >1850 to >1900.) I'm also hoping to find a way to prove/disprove if they are the >relationship of Ira Isaac JOHNSON, b. 28 Sept 1860. Family tradition says >his >mother's maiden name was Johnson and his father's name was >REED/REID/READ. He >appears with Matilda Johnson in the 1870 and 1880 census. I'll post the >family >info below: > >Thank you! >Gaye Willis > >John Wesley JOHNSON, b. abt 1816 in Virginia. d. between 1860 and 1865 >(possibly 1 Feb 1863) Laborer. >Married 22 Sept 1836 in Virginia to: > >Matilda Jane Craddock: >b. abt 1816 in Virginia. Died 9 Jun 1902, buried in Upper Alton. > >Children: >William Craddock Johnson. b. abt 1838. brick moulder in 1850, Private B 22 >Ill Infantry, died 22 Jun 1872. Civil war pension application by his mother >says he did not leave a wife or children. > >Ellen Johnson, b. abt 1841. Possibility for mother of Ira. Cannot find her >after the 1850 census. > >Lucy Johnson, b. abt 1843. Possibility for mother of Ira. Cannot find her >after the 1850 census. > >Ruben Johnson. b. abt 1845, private in F Company 32 Illinois Infantry. >Marris Mattie Hoffman 16 Apr 1870. Cannot find them after the 1880 census. > >John Wesley Johnson. b. 18 Feb 1858, married to Louise Ehrler 5 Nov 1879. >1880 census worked in the flour mill. D. 27 Aug 1826. Burried in Upper >Alton >Cemetery. > >I have additional information or sources on the family if anyone sees a >connection.

If anyone can help Gaye, please contact her <Gjwillis@aol.com> because if you answer to the list, she is not a subscriber and won't be able to read your msg. There are two more msgs I will forward from Gaye. Thanks. Gloria >Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 10:36:12 -0600 >X-From_: Gjwillis@aol.com Mon Apr 26 10:36:11 2004 >From: Gjwillis@aol.com >Old-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:36:02 EDT >To: ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5106 >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 >X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list >Subject: {not a subscriber} Question about resources in Alton and Edwardsville >X-Envelope-To: ILMADISO-L > >My mother-in-law is visiting in the St. Louis area and has agreed to cross >the river and do some genealogical hunting for me if I can tell her what >to do. > She has limited time and I'm hoping that folks who have experience >researching in the area can point me in the right direction of what >resources would be >best to check out. > >Our ancestor is Ira Isaac Johnson, b. 28 Sept 1860 in Alton. The family >tradition says that his mother's maiden name was Johnson and that he was >raised by >relatives. His father's surname may have been Reed/Reid/Read. I've found >Ira in the 1870 and 1880 census with a Matilda Johnson, widow of John Wesley >Johnson. I found them in the 1860 and 1850 census. They had 2 daughters, >Ellen >(b. abt 1841) and Lucy (b. abt 1843). Both would have been old enough to be >the mother to Ira in 1860. One daughter still appears to be at home in the >1865 state census, but that record only tallies females by age, not by name. >John appears to have died between the 1860 and 1865 census. The seems to be >verified by the civil war pension file for one of his sons. > >I have gone through the LDS FHL film for births in Illinois. There was no >record for Alton that could be Ira. I have tried to find a marriage for >Ellen >and Lucy to a REED/REID/READ, but have not been able to locate one. I >tried to >find them in the 1880 census by matching information there with the IRAD >marriage index, but cannot find anything that looks like a match so >far. I don't >know if they died or married. > >My goal is to determine Ira's parents. Does any one have suggestions of >local resources my mother-in-law should try? (Or resources I can access long >distance?) Are there church baptismal records or school records available >locally? Is there something else that may have a clue? > >I've wondered about checking probate or land records for John Johnson. >I've already checked the IRAD index and they responded that the possible >matches >were not my John Johnson. Has anyone access probate or land records at >Edwardsville? Can you give me any information on what it is like to >search there? >It would probably be a 2 hour drive each way for my mother-in-law. I don't >want to ask her to make that kind of effort if it wouldn't be a good >experience >for her. > >I would appreciate any ideas or tips of where to look in the area or any >other suggestions for finding Ira's parents. I'll put a listing of the >family in >a separate post in case it helps to connect with other Johnson researchers. > >Thanks in advance for any suggestions or tips. >Gaye Willis >Juneau, Alaska

This was sent to me from another list and in one search I found a long missing Civil War ancestor's burial location. I felt it was worth passing on. Judy Clark-Wick *Buried veterans' records now available on Web By Suzanne Gamboa The Associated Press WASHINGTON - Sally Naporlee turned to the Department of Veterans Affairs to find out more about her grandfather, who served during World War I. After a few weeks wait for a response, Naporlee learned from the VA that Carmelo Castorina is buried at Long Island National Cemetery in Farmingdale, N.Y. Unexpectedly, she also learned from VA that her grandmother is buried with him, a privilege extended to veterans' spouses. VA has made it easier and faster for the public to get answers about family history, old war buddies or famous war heroes. The agency put on the Web 3.2 million records for veterans buried at 120 national cemeteries since the Civil War. The VA's Nationwide Gravesite Locator, at http://www.cem.va.gov, also has records for some state veterans cemeteries and burials in Arlington National Cemetery since 1999. Joe Nosari, VA's deputy chief information officer for Memorial Affairs, said the records used to be on paper and microfilm. Private companies have put some of the information online and charged for it, but the VA information is free, he said. Naporlee, of Spokane, Wash., also learned her grandfather served with the Army's 161 DB unit, enlisting June 24, 1918. He was honorably discharged December 17, 1918. The VA's gravesite navigator includes names, dates of birth and death, military service dates, service branch and rank if known, cemetery information and grave location in the cemetery. The VA will withhold some information, such as next of kin, for privacy purposes. The site will be updated daily. Annually, about 80,000 veterans are buried at national cemeteries. The VA also hopes to add records for veterans whose families requested grave markers from the VA. Those markers may go to private cemeteries or cemeteries overseas. On the Net: VA Nationwide Gravesite Locator: http://www.cem.va.gov

Thanks to Myra and the others that had suggestions. Yes St. Jacob is near Highland and he was German. I have been to the Illinois Archives site but the deaths before 1915 are not all completed but I have not thought to contact them in person, I will try that. I have also thought to write the town of St. Jacob and see if they have any record. But that is on the to do list. Thanks for the help. Marie

----- Original Message ----- From: J. E. Mayla Blakley To: IL-MADISO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: LOOK UP FROM CENSUS RECORDS Hi. I am interested in John Edwards (perhaps John J. Edwards) or his family, who probably lived in Granite City (or maybe Edwardsville) in 1880 to 1920. (This could be later or earlier. He would be my GGrandfather----he married Anna Craig & I believe they lived in either Henry County or Wayne County Indiana. I suspect the marriage occurred around 1890 as he they had three girls in the 1890's (Mildred, Marjorie & evelyn) and they a boy (my Grandfather) around 1904. He seems to be out of the picture shortly after that, but it is not clear that he died. There seems to be something about him going to Wales & back with his family or for his family (he was born in Wales). Further, I once found an article in the Richmond, Indiana paper which mentioned the family going to Granite Illinois because a monument (or some like honor) was being erected to him (or perhaps some other relative). Would appreciate any information which the relevant census data might reveal (or any other source of information someone might have). Thanks for your attention to this matter mayla@lava.net

Dewey, my name is Susan Metzger and I have been reading the information on the cemetery look up. I saw that you mentioned a cemetery book about New Douglas. My gggrandfather, his son, and their families are buried in Corrington Cemetery which is outside of New Douglas. He was the first to be buried there. Do you have any information regarding that cemetery? The rest of the family is buried in what we call the "New Douglas" Cemetery....this may not be correct, but it is where the Knowlson's and Bartels are all buried right outside of town. Any information you might have would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Susan Knowlson Metzger ----- Original Message ----- From: Dewey Everts<mailto:Evertshistory@webtv.net> To: ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] cemetary lookup Marie, Have you gotten on the Illinois Archives site? I will send you the address if you need it. But if you just put Illinois Archives death or whatever, the site comes up. Barbara Heflin is a genius at finding things, and if she can't help you she will guide you in the right direction. She is such a nice, pleasant person. You will like her. Only cemetery book of which I am aware is the New Douglas and it is currently being revised. Dewey ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== Search Madison County maillist archives; enter the word ilmadiso here: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ILMADISO<http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ILMADISO> Find the names of other maillists to search: http://lists.rootsweb.com/<http://lists.rootsweb.com/>

Marie, St Jacob. Isn't that near Alhambra and Hamel and Highland, It sounds so familiar. Lot of Germans lived there. Someone on this site suggested writing to the City of St. Jacob. I don't think it had just one cemtery, however Dewey

Marie I've check the index to all nine volumes of the MC Cemetery Book. Sorry, I found no Louis Schiele. Myra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marie Coury" <ma3rie@vcn.bc.ca> To: <ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:01 PM Subject: [ILMADISO-L] cemetary lookup > I have been trying to find the date of death (and birth) of my Great > Great Grandfather Louis Schiele. He lived in St. Jacob, in fact he did > the first survey of the town. He died sometime between late 1868 and > the census of 1870 as he is not shown with his wife (Catherine) and two > children and in the deed index the guardian for his heirs is shown > selling property in 1871. > I have found that there are several cemetery lists for Madison County > but I have no idea if he is in any of them. If anyone has them and > could let me know if they find him, I would be happy to purchase the > volume that gives that information. > I have tried searching the old newspapers on line but haven't found any > obituary either. > Thanks, Marie > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search Madison County maillist archives; enter the word ilmadiso here: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ILMADISO > Find the names of other maillists to search: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > >