I need help with a brick wall and would appreciate anyone looking over what I've done and see if I'm missing anything. I've been searching for one of my husband's ancestors, Ira Isaac Johnson, born in Alton on 28 Sept 1860. The family story (couple of generations removed) was he might have raised by a relative, possibly a grandmother, and that his original birth name might have been E. Reed. We couldn't make any connection for him to any family for a long time. A few years ago I broke the brick wall and found him in the 1880 census with Matilda Johnson. Unfortunately they were both in another household so that there was no relationship listed. She would have been in her mid- 40's so she could be his mother or grandmother. I was able to trace Matilda and Ira back to the 1870, where they were with other children. Matching names and/or ages sexes, I was able to trace them back to the 1840 census, finding Matilda's husband and then eventually marriage to John Johnson. Since Ira was shortly born after the 1860 census, I can use that to see that all children in the 1850 census were still living with the family. Neither daughter, Ellen (17) and Lucy (16) were married by June when the census was taken. William, the oldest son, (20) was still at home. Those three are the possibilities from this family if Ira was being raised by a grandmother. One of the girls appears to still be at home in the 1865 state census, but it didn't list names. Beyond that, they both disappear completely. I've looked through the marriage records, cemetery records, and searched through census records by first names trying to match possibilities...all without any luck. William fought in the Civil War and I got his pension record filed by his mother, which states that he did not have a wife or children at the time of his death. (Of course, if Ira was his illegitimate son perhaps the family wouldn't acknowlege it.) I have traced the two other brothers in the family, but can't find anything that helps to establish if Ira was a son or grandson in the family. The family is: John Wesley JOHNSN, b. abt 1816 in Virginia. Died "early part of late war" (according to mother's pension record for son Williams) and before the 1865 based on state census records. Married in Albermarle, Virginia on 22 Sept 1836 to: Matilda Jane CRADDOCK, b. abt 1815 in Virginia. Lived in Alton/Upper Alton most of adult life, but was in Mt. Olive, Macoupin, Illinois in 1880. Died. 9 June 1902 in Alton. Buried in Upper Alton. Children: William Craddock Johnson, b. abt 1838 in Illinois. D: 22 June 1872 in Memphis Tennessee. Ellen Johnson, b. abt 1841. no definite record found after 1860 census. Lucy Johnson, b. abt 1843. no definite record found after the 1860 census Ruben Johnson. b. abt 1845. Marries Mattie Hoffman. Traced through the 1880 census. Three children: M. C. Johnson, Nellie Johnson, U. B. Johnson. John Wesley Johnson, b. 29 Feb. 1858 in Alton. Married Louise Ehrler on 5 Nov 1879. (Four children: E. L Johnson, Benjamin Johnson, Bessie Johnson, Louisa Johnson.) John died 27 Aug. 1926 and is buried with his wife and mother in the Upper Alton (Oakwood) Cemetery. ??Ira Isaac Johnson (Is he a son or grandson?) b. 28 Sept. 1860 in Alton. 1880 Census is in Mt. Olive, Macoupin, Illinois with Matilda Johnson. In California by marriage in 1888. Lived in California, New Mexico and Arizona. No records there list his parents. I'm hoping there are bastardy bonds I can check. Can anyone see anything I'm missing that would help me determine who Ira's parents were? I'd appreciate any ideas. Thank you, Gaye Willis

Does any one know if Madison County kept Bastardy Bonds? I just read about them on another site and wondered if this would help my dilemma. If they exist, where are they kept and for what years? I need to determine if an ancestor was a grandson born out of wedlock to a daughter or is really the son and wonder if bastardy bond would help. (See separate posting on Ira Isaac Johnson brickwall if you would be willing to help me think through if there's another approach I can't think of.) Thank you! Gaye Willis

on 9/24/04 10:40 PM, Lorraine Newsome at genealogyhelp@earthlink.net wrote: > Ok.... go ahead, yell at me... > > I ended up having to re-format my hard drives, moved all my stuff to the > partitions I put on this silly thing, knowing that when I reformatted the > 'c' drive, it would just do the c drive... NOT!!! > > It worked just fine that way on the other puter, but not this one... > > So... > > If you have sent me anything in the last few weeks, and it's not on the > Madison site, please send it to me again??? It went poof along with a whole > bunch of my stuff. I'm not very happy with HP right now... but, it was my > fault just as well... This is a tragic lesson, once again.... > > Back up, Back up, Backup!!!! > > I'm just glad I have most of my personal genealogy files on my lappy!! > > Have a great weekend, kids.... > > Sorry for any inconvenience I've created... > Lorraine (with a very red face...) > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Keep an eye on this census site because more census' are going up every day. > http://www.us-census.org/usgwcens/ > and this one: http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/states.htm > > You've probably heard enough on this but you really need an iMac. Leaves the rest in the dust-very few problems-and seems to be able to 'take care of itself' in most things. You are doing a good job on the site-thanks for all your hard work.

Hope you have just backed up the lappy!!! ;-) nt -----Original Message----- From: Lorraine Newsome [mailto:genealogyhelp@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:41 PM To: ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILMADISO-L] Puter Problems Ok.... go ahead, yell at me... I ended up having to re-format my hard drives, moved all my stuff to the partitions I put on this silly thing, knowing that when I reformatted the 'c' drive, it would just do the c drive... NOT!!! It worked just fine that way on the other puter, but not this one... So... If you have sent me anything in the last few weeks, and it's not on the Madison site, please send it to me again??? It went poof along with a whole bunch of my stuff. I'm not very happy with HP right now... but, it was my fault just as well... This is a tragic lesson, once again.... Back up, Back up, Backup!!!! I'm just glad I have most of my personal genealogy files on my lappy!! Have a great weekend, kids.... Sorry for any inconvenience I've created... Lorraine (with a very red face...) ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== Keep an eye on this census site because more census' are going up every day. http://www.us-census.org/usgwcens/ and this one: http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/states.htm

Dear Loraine, Too late for you this time, but for future -- back up on one of those new jump or thumb drives! It will hold almost as much as your hard drive and remember, lap tops go boom too. Donnell Redlingshafer Wisniewski

Ok.... go ahead, yell at me... I ended up having to re-format my hard drives, moved all my stuff to the partitions I put on this silly thing, knowing that when I reformatted the 'c' drive, it would just do the c drive... NOT!!! It worked just fine that way on the other puter, but not this one... So... If you have sent me anything in the last few weeks, and it's not on the Madison site, please send it to me again??? It went poof along with a whole bunch of my stuff. I'm not very happy with HP right now... but, it was my fault just as well... This is a tragic lesson, once again.... Back up, Back up, Backup!!!! I'm just glad I have most of my personal genealogy files on my lappy!! Have a great weekend, kids.... Sorry for any inconvenience I've created... Lorraine (with a very red face...)

Evening, kids!! I just want to let everyone know... I'm having major connection problems, and am going nuts just trying to check my mail,. If you have sent me something for the site, don't worry.. I'm running behind, but not down and out!! I will get it up there, just as soon as I figure out what the devil is going wrong with my connections.. In the mean time... please don't send any large files to me for the moment... I'll let you know when I have things squared away again.. Thanks for your patience and understanding!! Lorraine CC Madison County IlGenweb

I also ran across thL.P. behind the officiant's name on a marriage - it stands for Local Preacher. There is a handy book aimed at genies packed full of legal terms, phrases, and abbrebiations that researchers come across, and from which this information came, titled From A to Zax: A Comprehensive Dictionary for Genealogists & Historians by Barbara Jean Evans. My 3rd edition was written 1995. Hearthside Press in Alexandria, VA is the publisher (a web search should pull them up if interested). Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent & Tracy" <cdr2002@mchsi.com> To: <ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] 1851 Marriage > LP could be Lay Person, or it might be JP Justice of the Peace > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Wilson" <dlwilson@elberton.net> > To: <ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:14 PM > Subject: [ILMADISO-L] 1851 Marriage > > >> I have the following marriage record: >> Copy of Vital Records of Marriage from Madison County, Illinois >> this is to Certify >> That on the 1st day of May A.D. 1851 >> I joined in Holy Bonds of Matrimony, Mr. >> Patrick Carroll and Mary Carroll >> according to the usual custom, and the Laws of >> Illinois. Given under my hand and seal, this 1st day of May A.D. 1851 >> James A. Keans (L.P.) >> >> Can someone help me as to who James A. Keans is and what L. P. stands >> for? >> Both Patrick and Mary are of the Catholic faith and Mary's brother was >> Father Michael Carroll of Alton Illinois. Might there be records of this >> marriage in the Catholic Church? How can I find out? >> >> Thank you all for any help I might get on this!! >> >> Darla Wilson >> >> >> ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== >> LDS Family Search Engine: >> http://www.familysearch.org/ >> Illinois State Archives Databases including pre 1900 IL marriages and > Civil War soldiers: >> http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html >> >> > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > LDS Family Search Engine: > http://www.familysearch.org/ > Illinois State Archives Databases including pre 1900 IL marriages and > Civil War soldiers: > http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html > >

LP could be Lay Person, or it might be JP Justice of the Peace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Wilson" <dlwilson@elberton.net> To: <ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:14 PM Subject: [ILMADISO-L] 1851 Marriage > I have the following marriage record: > Copy of Vital Records of Marriage from Madison County, Illinois > this is to Certify > That on the 1st day of May A.D. 1851 > I joined in Holy Bonds of Matrimony, Mr. > Patrick Carroll and Mary Carroll > according to the usual custom, and the Laws of > Illinois. Given under my hand and seal, this 1st day of May A.D. 1851 > James A. Keans (L.P.) > > Can someone help me as to who James A. Keans is and what L. P. stands for? > Both Patrick and Mary are of the Catholic faith and Mary's brother was > Father Michael Carroll of Alton Illinois. Might there be records of this > marriage in the Catholic Church? How can I find out? > > Thank you all for any help I might get on this!! > > Darla Wilson > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > LDS Family Search Engine: > http://www.familysearch.org/ > Illinois State Archives Databases including pre 1900 IL marriages and Civil War soldiers: > http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html > >

I have the following marriage record: Copy of Vital Records of Marriage from Madison County, Illinois this is to Certify That on the 1st day of May A.D. 1851 I joined in Holy Bonds of Matrimony, Mr. Patrick Carroll and Mary Carroll according to the usual custom, and the Laws of Illinois. Given under my hand and seal, this 1st day of May A.D. 1851 James A. Keans (L.P.) Can someone help me as to who James A. Keans is and what L. P. stands for? Both Patrick and Mary are of the Catholic faith and Mary's brother was Father Michael Carroll of Alton Illinois. Might there be records of this marriage in the Catholic Church? How can I find out? Thank you all for any help I might get on this!! Darla Wilson

I found them being married in Madison County with the filing showing on the Illinois Marriage Archives. Put Carroll alone in the bride and grooms surname name and see what comes up. Type Illinois Marriage Archives in your search. It gives the filing info and you can get a copy of the marriage certificate from the State of Illinois if you write to Barb Heflin. She is a very nice person. The marriage records at the SOS office stop at 1900. So I know they have the filings there. Or an abstract, and it should tell you what you want to know. Rev. Everts

Hi, Everyone, You are invited to a genealogy class at St. Louis Public Library. The class is "Aliens Among Us: Researching Foreign-Born Ancestors in Passenger, Naturalization, and Alien Registration Records. We will cover tips and techniques for finding immigration information from the 1600s to the 1900s. Saturday, September 18, 10AM - Noon. St. Louis Public Library, Central Branch - 1301 Olive Street, St. Louis; Meeting Room 1. The class is free, and parking is free. You do not need to be a cardholder or a city resident. Registration is strongly suggested. To register or for further information, call (314)539-0385 or email mailto:ksmith@slpl.lib.mo.us . Thank you. Hope to see you there! Sincerely, Kathleen J. Smith Librarian History & Genealogy

There was a "tasty" short story written by Kevin Kious and Donald Roussin entitled "The Breweries of Alton" which listed several names that may be of interest to members of this list. The names and the comments are quoted from this reference. Further details are available in that reference. They are: Baumann, George who with Bartholomew Runzi operated a brewery built in 1857 Carr, James Carr, William Charley, William operated a brewery in 1845 Cooper, Richard Cress, Bill Fiegenspan, Christian Fischbach, John with Jacob Hund operated the "Alton Brewery" Graul, Robert Haas, Jacob was the partner of Philip Yeakel Hoefert, John Hund, Jacob with John Fischbach operated the "Alton Brewery" Jehle, John Jourdain, Bob Jr. Keeley operated a brewery in the early to mid-1850's; Keeley & Brothers' Ale Brewery Kremer, Michael the proprietor of Gambrinus Hall Mincher, Anton Netzhammer, William (Wilhelm) Netzhammer, Harry Netzhammer, William Jr. Netzhammer, Emil Peters, Joseph the eldest son of Philip Peters Peters, Philip; a successful Alton teamster Reck, Amelia Reck, Anton Reck, Bertha Reck, Herman Rubenstein, Gordon Runzi, Bartholomew, an Alton city councilman in 1874 Schibi, Charles Weigand, Henry, the brother-in-law of John Jehle Yeakel, Philip who established Alton's first brewery in 1842 Yeakel, George who was Philip's second son; died in 1872 at 38 Yeakel, George Jr. the eldest son of George Yeakel, Carl the youngest son of George If anyone finds a name of interest here, details can be found in the article by Kious and Roussin which is on the internet. Dick Neumann

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020205030103000401050407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for all help with the wherabouts of Pierron. I had never thought about it being in both counties. Marie --------------020205030103000401050407 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="ma3rie.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ma3rie.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Marie Coury n:Coury;Marie email;internet:ma3rie@vcn.bc.ca version:2.1 end:vcard --------------020205030103000401050407--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020405030200010803020307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can someone give me an idea of where to start looking in the 1900 census to find the residents of Pierron?? I think my Great Grandmother was settled there around that time, though she doesn't show up in the index. I couldn't see which township Pierron is in. --------------020405030200010803020307 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="ma3rie.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ma3rie.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Marie Coury n:Coury;Marie email;internet:ma3rie@vcn.bc.ca version:2.1 end:vcard --------------020405030200010803020307--

Absalom Baker b c 1740 MD d 1833 Madison/Sangamon Co Ill Pens. 1830 Known to have been in : 1790 Georgia, 1806 Ky, 1814 Gallatin Co Ill, 1816 Madison Co Ill. Believed related to Edmund Baker 1776 Carolinas - 1852 Saline Co Ill Thanks steve _sspunk@aol.com_ (mailto:sspunk@aol.com)

Also check the Federal Bureau of Land Management for Ezekiel Davis, a free site. You can search for and download exact copies of land deeds for lands bought directly from the government. Ezekiel Davis purchased 5 plats in Madison County in 1828, 1833, 1839 (2 plats) and 1840. This is your Ezekiel Davis because all the plats are in Township 6 North, Range 7 West in Madison County. Again, I know this doesn't relate to who his parents are, but this is an interesting thing to have for your records. Website is http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ Click on "Search Land Patents" in the green bar Carrie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ...Then they filled, with clear, shallow water, the whole breadth of this broad canal, and set little whirlpools turning in the depths, and for the first time mirrored the green banks and distant calls of birds -- while in the sky the starry nights of another, sweeter country blossomed above them and would never close. Tombs of the Hetaerae, by Rainier Maria Rilke Translation by Stephen Mitchell

Sharon, going from your e-mail and the replies, I believe this is your Ezekiel Davis, based on birth date: Ezekiel Davis - 31 MAY 1790, Salem, New Jersey If this is the correct birth date for your Ezekiel, then you now have the county and state and you can request information from there. It is highly doubtful that there would be birth records for that time period, but you may be able to find marriage records, or church records such as baptism This information, by the way, is from the LDS's free genealogy site. Website is: http://www.familysearch.org/ In "Centennial history of Madison County, Illinois, and its people : 1812 to 1912" by William T. Norton, Evansville, Ind.: Unigraphic, 1970, 1363 pgs., there is a one-line reference to Ezekiel Davis on page 590 regarding Omph-Ghent Township: "Other early settlers prior to 1830, were Charles Tindall, Ezekiel Davis and Samuel H. Denton." In "Gazetteer of Madison County " by James T. Hair, Evansville, Ind.: Unigraphic, 1973, 293 pgs., the following one-line reference to Ezekiel Davis is found under "Madison County Directory" on page 590: "Davis, Ezekiel early settler, died 1863, 6-7 Omphghent." 6-7 refers to Township 6 North, Range 7 West. There is also a William F. Davis listed in the same township, at Lambs Point post office. The above were found through the Heritage Quest databases, an on-line, searchable service. Some libraries offer free, 24-hour, at-home access to Heritage Quest if you have a library card. St. Louis City and St. Louis County libraries offer this; at one time, Edwardsville and Collinsville libraries also offered it. Check with your library. For more information on Heritage Quest, look on the IL-Gen Web site under "Madison County Libraries" - information can be found under "St. Louis City Library" and "St. Louis County Library" (the only two that I knew for sure offered access) - scroll down to the bottom of the each page and look for "3. Online Databases." The ILGenWeb site is http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmadiso/ I know this doesn't directly answer your query as to who his father was, but every little bit of information may lead to something further on. At 04:13 PM 9/5/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > I would like to know if any one has access to the 1860 census for > Madison Co., IL. I would like to know if someone would find out where > the father of Ezekiel Davis, Omphghent Twp, was born at. I belive that > Ezekiel and at least 4 of his children were born in NJ., but I am having > trouble finding out who his father is and where the father was born > at. Maybe if I can find birth-state, it will make the search easier. > I am like other people, I like to go through correspondence with a > genealogy or history correspondence, instead of "paying for information" > that should be free to the public. >Thanks, >Sharon (Davis) Sherman > > >==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== >Difference between ILMADISO-L and ILMADISO-D: >ILMADISO-L mailing list allows you to receive every posting made to >ILMADISO as a separate email. >ILMADISO-D mailing list allows you to receive several postings as a single >large message. Carrie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ...Then they filled, with clear, shallow water, the whole breadth of this broad canal, and set little whirlpools turning in the depths, and for the first time mirrored the green banks and distant calls of birds -- while in the sky the starry nights of another, sweeter country blossomed above them and would never close. Tombs of the Hetaerae, by Rainier Maria Rilke Translation by Stephen Mitchell

Thank you Carrie!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carrie" <hetaerae@swbell.net> To: <ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] Madison County Divorce Records > > Madison County Clerk > 157 N. Main Street, Suite 109 > Edwardsville, IL 62025 > (618) 692-7030 > > Divorce decrees: $9.00 > > > At 03:33 AM 9/6/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >Could someone please tell me the address to get divorce records from > >Madison County, between 1903 and 1910. How much is the cost? I checked IRAD > >and the record I want is not there. > > > >thanks > > > >Pat > > > > > >==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > >LDS Family Search Engine: > >http://www.familysearch.org/ > >Illinois State Archives Databases including pre 1900 IL marriages and > >Civil War soldiers: > >http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html > > Carrie > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ...Then they filled, with clear, shallow water, > the whole breadth of this broad canal, and set > little whirlpools turning in the depths, > and for the first time mirrored the green banks > and distant calls of birds -- while in the sky > the starry nights of another, sweeter country > blossomed above them and would never close. > Tombs of the Hetaerae, by Rainier Maria Rilke > Translation by Stephen Mitchell > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > To post a message so everyone on ILMADISO-L or ILMADISO-D receives it, send the message to: > ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com > It will then be sent on to everyone in both ILMADISO-L or ILMADISO-D. >

Madison County Clerk 157 N. Main Street, Suite 109 Edwardsville, IL 62025 (618) 692-7030 Divorce decrees: $9.00 At 03:33 AM 9/6/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Could someone please tell me the address to get divorce records from >Madison County, between 1903 and 1910. How much is the cost? I checked IRAD >and the record I want is not there. > >thanks > >Pat > > >==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== >LDS Family Search Engine: >http://www.familysearch.org/ >Illinois State Archives Databases including pre 1900 IL marriages and >Civil War soldiers: >http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html Carrie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ...Then they filled, with clear, shallow water, the whole breadth of this broad canal, and set little whirlpools turning in the depths, and for the first time mirrored the green banks and distant calls of birds -- while in the sky the starry nights of another, sweeter country blossomed above them and would never close. Tombs of the Hetaerae, by Rainier Maria Rilke Translation by Stephen Mitchell