I will be in Alton in about a week and a half and was intrigued by some of you saying that Edwardsville deaths were posted in the Alton newspaper. Some of my ancestors, BURKHART and HEBERER, may have died in Edwardsville and I would like to find their obituaries. This would have been around 1855-1870. Do the Alton newspapers in the Hayner Library go back that far? Marilyn Lane Mountain View, CA

Edwardsville is the County Seat for Madison County, IL. Arlene in Illinois

A lot of people from Madison County use the St. Louis, MO hospitals if they are seriously sick. Many people live in the metro-east area (Edwardsville, etc) and their death certificate could be filed in the St. Louis County records. Arlene from Granite City, IL Some are listed in the St. Louis Post Dispatch obits.

Thank you Lynn

In a message dated 7/28/99 8:20:13 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, mlane10@pacbell.net writes: << This would have been around 1855-1870. Do the Alton newspapers in the Hayner Library go back that far? >> Marilyn - I don't know how far back they go but you might try calling the Hayner Library. The individuals that work there are very helpful. Good luck. Carol

Edwardsville, IL is in Madison County. The address to write to is: City Clerks Office, 118 Hillsboro Avenue, Edwardsville, IL 62025

Wanted to let everyone know: I called the Edwardsville County Clerk today from New York, speaking to a lady who was so nice on the phone. I gave her a name I was looking for, not expecting her to look it up for me, all I was asking of her was their address, with that she typed in the name on the computer and she was able to tell me there was no such person who had died there. My point is that would never happen in New York. She saved me a lot of time and aggravation. Thank you kindly, Lynn

The Telegraph is an area newspaper (at least it like to think it is) as the Edwardsville paper was a weekly paper for a long time. They could possibly find him in the Telegraph paper. Barbara

Edwardsville is in Madison County. The address for the court house where records are kept is: MADISON COUNTY COURTHOUSE 155 NORTH MAIN STREET EDWARDSVILLE, ILLINOIS 62025-1999 YOU CAN FIND ALL THESE LISTED AT: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmadiso/index.htm good luck to you (I was born in Alton, Illinois and have done a lot of research on the web through rootsweb. Doris Mulligan Irwin elvis@goodnet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Hubbard <rhubbard@mvp.net> To: <ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 12:52 AM Subject: Where is Edwardsville... > Would someone some addresses and phone numbers to the person below? The > message below is from the St. Charles list/ > > > > > Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:00:57 EDT > > From: Lynde126@aol.com > > To: MOSTCHAR-L@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <899cf2dc.24cf8619@aol.com> > > Subject: [MOSTCHAR-L] County Clerk > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > This has nothing to do with St. Charles County I don't believe, but could > > someone tell me what the county is for EDWARDSVILLE, and where do I write for > > > > a death certificate for Edwardsville? I'm in the dark again. > > Thank you, > > Lynn DeTrano > > > > Richard Hubbard, St. Louis, Missouri > rhubbard@mvp.net > ---- > TAX REFORM: Increased taxes. > TAX RELIEF: Increased taxes. > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Madison County Home Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmadiso/index.htm > Search the Rootsweb Resources Page for Madison County! > Includes several Madison Co search engines! > http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/IL/Madison/ > >

In a message dated 7/28/99 10:36:55 AM Atlantic Daylight Time, Robbo1965@aol.com writes: << Can anyone tell me how I can find out if my grandfather Elmer Davis is buried in Alton? Cathy >> Try calling the Upper Alton Cemetery, 618-462-1672. Carol

In a message dated 7/27/99 9:08:44 PM, Ksknfla@aol.com writes: >Townships are the north and south locators and Ranges are the east and >west locator. So T24N can be located on any map that has longitude and latitude >grid lines. WHOOPS!! Not quite true. The Township and Range system was a system that was invented in this country to describe property ownership after the country started expanding from the goofy Meets and Bounds system used in the colonies. The first try at the T and R system was in Ohio, and it was a rectangular system artificially laid down on the earth's surface. (Think for a minute of the problems that will cause because the earth isn't flat.) This system consisted of "perfect" squares 6 miles by 6 miles that resulted in a 36 square mile square which was then divided into 1 mile by 1 mile squares called SECTIONS. Anytime the government surveyors got a new contract to lay out new areas for settlement they had to number the Townships (north & south) from some "Baseline" somewhere and the Ranges were numbered (ease & west) from a "Prime Meridian". These Baselines and Prime Meridians are likely to fall most anywhere, but they are the reference lines for the numbering of the Townships and Ranges. (And by the way, do NOT confuse these surveyor's townships with the civil administration townships. Only sometimes are they the same.) Now if you noted above that this was a rectangular system laid down on the curved earth's surface you can see that lots of corrections have to be worked into the layout. This is part of the reason for a new Baseline and Prime Meridian once in a while but more often the surveyors had to put little jogs in the layout of T's and R's and sometimes the strict 1 mile by 1 mile rule got badly bent. Up here in MN they really had trouble when their compasses got messed up by all the iron in the ground. To return to the original post about this, none of this T and R layout has much of anything to do with the Longitude and Latitude system (which WAS designed to fit the curved earth) and maps that show Long. and Lat. certainly do not all show the T. and R. system because they are not related. The maps that DO show the Township and Range system the best are any of the county maps from your state DOT and especially ANY of the maps published by the US Geological Survey. The USGS puts out a good set of 1:250,000 scale maps that show all the T and R lines and numbers. The best for detailed property layouts are the 1:24,000 scale maps called "7 & 1/2 Min. quads." Remember that the whole idea for this Township and Range system is for property description, hence the individual Sections (1 mi. by 1 mi., remember?) are divided using "Northwest quarter of the Southeast quarter" jargon. And that I'm sure is WAY more than any of you wanted to know. Sorry, I just got started and couldn't stop. The Official Word on all this is at this URL: http://mcmcweb.er.usgs.gov/standards/part3_stds/pl_a.html DW in MN

Can anyone tell me how I can find out if my grandfather Elmer Davis is buried in Alton? Cathy

In a message dated 7/28/99 5:25:19 AM Atlantic Daylight Time, Lynde126@aol.com writes: << Carol The library (Hayner) would have the obit for someone who lived in Edwardsville? Is Hayner the only library that would have Edwardsville obits? If that's the case, then I already have a lookup person checking on another relative at Hayner, and it will make the job easier. Lynn >> The library would probably have it. I am assuming he had roots in Alton since he was buried there. It's worth a try, anyway. Good luck. Carol

Carol The library (Hayner) would have the obit for someone who lived in Edwardsville? Is Hayner the only library that would have Edwardsville obits? If that's the case, then I already have a lookup person checking on another relative at Hayner, and it will make the job easier. Lynn

In a message dated 7/27/99 11:10:08 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, Lynde126@aol.com writes: << Does anyone remember Eli Smith? b: 1912 d: 30 Oct 1972 at the age of 60. He is buried in Upper Alton Cemetary. His father was Jacob Smith nickname "Jack" and his mother was Nettie Smith. I was told he lived in Edwardsville and I think he worked for the railroad (?) His father worked for the Illinois Terminal. Don't have his address. Can anyone help me. He must have had friends. Don't know if he was married. It's only been 27 years since his death, not so long ago that someone must remember him. Thank you kindly, Lynn DeTrano >> Lynn - The library in downtown Alton should have the newspaper that has his obituary. You should be able to get a lot of information from that. The name of the library is The Hayner Library. Hope this helps. Carol

Hi Gang: Does anyone remember Eli Smith? b: 1912 d: 30 Oct 1972 at the age of 60. He is buried in Upper Alton Cemetary. His father was Jacob Smith nickname "Jack" and his mother was Nettie Smith. I was told he lived in Edwardsville and I think he worked for the railroad (?) His father worked for the Illinois Terminal. Don't have his address. Can anyone help me. He must have had friends. Don't know if he was married. It's only been 27 years since his death, not so long ago that someone must remember him. Thank you kindly, Lynn DeTrano

Most of Illinois is mapped using a Township and Range numbering system. Townships are the north and south locators and Ranges are the east and west locator. So T24N can be located on any map that has longitude and latitude grid lines. I know that the Alton, Il area falls in part of T5N R10W Hope this helps.

Was there a census taken just for farmers? Lynn

Good Morning, While searching online I came across a township listed as "24N" in the "Illinois Public Land Purchase Records." Does anyone know what 24N stands for? Thanks for any assistance, k

In a message dated 7/25/99 11:46:07 PM EST, Marennad@aol.com writes: << a hand pointing upward indicates the pathway to heavenly reward. >> In some instances and in some areas (particularly OH, IN and IL), the hand pointing upward can also signify the deceased was a Methodist--so check those church records, if available.