Dear listmates, The following points need clarification: >Check out the WPA Files in the Belleville Public Library. The St. Clair >Genealogy Society cuts each obit and attaches it to a 3 x 5 card which is >then filed in a bank of file cabinets. The obituary file since 1940, locally known as the WPA file at the Belleville Public Library, is a Library project, not a St. Clair County Genealogical Society project. The confusion may result in the fact that SCCGS members happen to be the ones adding to the file at present. Pre-1940 the file was one of the projects of the Works Progress Administration and included more than obituary abstracts of *Belleville* residents and those with strong Belleville connections from a variety of Belleville newspapers (usually predecessors of the Belleville Advocate). Obituaries of long-lived, usually prominent, pioneers from out-lying areas were sometimes included in the file as well. Perhaps just as importantly, pre-1940 news items relating to Belleville politics, disasters, antiquities, civic organizations, county government and the like were also abstracted. This file is a very valuable resource. After the WPA project ended, (post 1940 in this case) the library wanted to continue the file but a decision was made to include only obituaries, not the news items. There was a short period time where the actual obit was cut out and pasted onto 3x5 cards. This practice was stopped many years ago and limited to 1. a code for the newspaper carrying the obit (N.D.=News Democrat), 2. the name and age of the deceased, 3.date the obit appeared. For the past several years, the obits are indexed in a computer instead of 3x5 cards and a printout is periodically provided. >These files include all the obits >for the Belleville and East St. Louis newspapers. Maybe not all of them >but a darn good pile, especially the most current. The East St. Louis _Journal_ obits have been indexed, again a library undertaking, and basically the sole work of Harold Fiebig and his wife. When that project was completed, this team began reading the earlier East St. Louis newspapers of shorter duration for obits as well. In addition to the basic indexed information as above, this file includes a page number on which the obit is located, a real time-saver. The Fiebigs included all deaths in the index regardless of the town in which the person lived. The Belleville obituary index is far from all-inclusive. In the 1880s outlying towns would submit news items that sometimes included obituaries or at least a death mention. Submissions were irregular. Not all communities participated. On occasion the death of a prominent pioneer was abstracted. The majority of outlying deaths were not abstracted or indexed. Researchers seeking an obituary should first check the Belleville Newspaper Abstract File and Obituary Index file. If a card is *not found*, be sure to read each extant issue of the newspaper to see if an obituary really is there. A month's worth of the weekly paper is not too much.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------88CEE78F42254249B2891833 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought this will be ofd interest to some on our Madison Co. list Roland Bauer on the bluff in beautiful Collinsville --------------88CEE78F42254249B2891833 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: StLouis-MO-L-request@rootsweb.com Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by postal.accessus.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA84946 for <rrbauer@accessus.net>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:33:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10281; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 07:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 07:30:36 -0700 (PDT) From: kimbuc@juno.com Old-To: StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 08:59:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Obituaries Message-ID: <19990815.092942.-68103.0.kimbuc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-4,9-10,12-15,17-18,20,22-23,30-31,34-35,43-44,49-50,53-54,56-59 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <WsskGC.A.cgC.M8st3@bl-11.rootsweb.com> To: StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/5442 X-Loop: StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: StLouis-MO-L-request@rootsweb.com Sharon, I am sure you will be receiving several notes relating to your pile of obits. A few months back there was a heavy discussion relating to publishing obits on the Internet. At the time one lady said she wouldn't post the names of the living persons. She forgot somewhere along the line that they were originally published in a newspaper and that the family paid for and provided the information to be included in the publication. At the time I was referred to as the crabby old f when I made a comment. As I see it you have several options: 1. Do nothing. 2. Copy all the surnames and have people contact you for a copy of the obit, which says you will have to provide the typing services. 3. Type out each obit and post it to the sites of interest. 4. Submit them to the Obituary Daily Times, or send the package to me and I will submit them to the Obituary Daily Times. 5. Paste them in a book and donate it to the local library or genealogy society. For those who will read this post and immediately will take a slam. Check out the WPA Files in the Belleville Public Library. The St. Clair Genealogy Society cuts each obit and attaches it to a 3 x 5 card which is then filed in a bank of file cabinets. These files include all the obits for the Belleville and East St. Louis newspapers. Maybe not all of them but a darn good pile, especially the most current. I am sure that todays obits will be in the files before the month is out. There is a UML obit file, I believe you can access it through Ancestory.com. This site will list entire current obits as well as some older ones. The above Obituary Daily Times is manned by a number of volunteers around the world who on a daily basis, submit the obit listings in their current newspapers and then will maintain the obits for potential look-ups. There are several individuals on this site who do this on a regular basis. I supply Belleville, IL; St. Louis Journals, Breese IL Journal, Jefferson City Newspapers, some Moniteau County Newspapers and the Osage County MO Unterrified Democrat. No I don't subscribe to all these papers just two of the them I receive the others by mail from collectors. I have submitted obits that go back 150 years to ones that were published this week. There are over 3 million obits available from around the world. Not many, but at lease it's a start. Most of these are current. There is a lady here in St. Louis that submits the Post-Dispatch listings each and every day. Then one can always go down to the Historical Society and checkout the surname search. I found several relatives through their obits which are in published books at the society. Please don't destroy this information get it to someone who will do something with it. Bill Buchholz Candidated for 2nd. VP St. Louis Genealogy Society, Setp 1999 --------------88CEE78F42254249B2891833--

I saw this posted to another List that I belong to and thought it very interesting. Sue Gardner Shreve << THE LAND ACQUISITION PROCESS, excerpted from Chapter 9 of "Land and Property Research in the United States," by E. Wade Hone <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>> ======================================================= Millions of individuals who lived during the busiest phases of the public domain era, 1790 to 1930, went through at least portions of the processes listed in this chapter. Strict regulations generated more information about the claimants of federal land than those of state land. Each stage of the federal patent process created a new record source about the claimant, even if only to place him in a particular place at a specific time. As with any genealogical resource, the records vary greatly in content. While some files contain exact birthplaces and birth dates, others may contain only a name, location of land, and purchase price. The possible clues contained in federal land records are often limited only by the creativity of the researcher. Various circumstances, such as a person having been of foreign birth, may have created additional record sources. Some land acts may indicate simultaneous or subsequent involvement in other land records. Understanding the records and their laws will ensure more productive research. Land records can be difficult to understand and access. Land-entry case files, which house the history of the patent process for most federal land transactions, have received very little publicity. Information on the patent itself, the most commonly requested record, can be discouraging for those who realize it contains only the information originally required to order the document. Anyone finding an ancestor who received land through a government source needs to seriously consider the vast amounts of history and biography that could be waiting among the records created and deposited in the land-entry case files. LAND ACQUISITION PROCESS Though requirements differed from act to act, there were certain basic elements involved in almost every public land transaction. When a desired tract or parcel of land was located in the public domain, an individual first needed to make an APPLICATION, or entry, for that particular segment of land. This step could have been accomplished through several different methods, depending on the area and time period involved. Sometimes payment itself was considered adequate for successful application. Auctions were usually held when an area first opened for public sale. The land would be sold to the highest bidder, though at a minimum price of two dollars per acre. Later that minimum was reduced to $1.25 per acre. Soon afterward, land offices opened for business to a waiting crowd of anxious settlers who applied on a "first come, first served" basis for each segment of land. One of the most helpful requirements for eligibility in many federal land purchases was the need for the applicant to have been a native-born citizen, or have at least "declared an intention to become a citizen of the United States." This applied to most federal land purchases, except for military bounty-land warrants, where service was the primary criterion, and some preemption and private land claims. Though this requirement could not be monitored with the efficiency originally intended, conformity increased as time went by. Once the application was completed, cash was paid, or appropriate arrangements made for credit, and a RECEIPT was issued. This receipt may be all that is found in many of the earliest case files. Next, a WARRANT FOR SURVEY was issued for the specified land entry. This was to insure that organization and uniformity existed, and to eliminate overlap and controversy between neighbors and/or government. Though not always successful, a visible boundary was defined for those involved. The warrant was given to, and usually carried out by, one of the few approved surveyors. Though monitoring their activity was not a priority, some areas, such as the Washington Land Office in the Mississippi Territory, actually enacted special bonds for the surveyors. These bonds required oaths of commitment and loyalty as well as financial penalties for nonconformance. Eventually, the need to quickly expedite a multitude of claims saw less and less regulation of surveyors. Upon completion, the SURVEY was recorded in township plat books. These books usually encompassed an entire township on each page. They also noted physical characteristics of the land, such as swamps, rivers, and lakes. Surveys also helped illustrate neighborhood ownership. The information was then filed in a TRACT BOOK by the registrar. This paperwork, together with all other records created by the applicable acts of Congress, was then transferred to the General Land Office. Testimonies, declarations of intent, affidavits, receipt copies, bounty-land warrants, and even proof of citizenship and naturalization can be found in these collections, called LAND-ENTRY CASE FILES. Specific birth dates, birthplaces, military ranks, and enlistment information can also be found, depending on the types of lands acquired. Genealogical information can be found in the case files that would never surface in the records kept on location. Case files also exist for those whose land claims were rejected, revoked, contested, or cancelled for some other reason. The information in those files is often more graphic in historical content than the files for those that were readily accepted. Even if there was no final certificate issued, there should still be a case file of each application for federal land. As these files were being transferred to the General Land Office, a FINAL CERTIFICATE for the patent was issued to the applicant. This certificate was proof of patent approval, and served as evidence that all of the previously required steps had been fulfilled. It was similar to a coupon, redeemable for the patent, which could only be given out by the General Land Office. These PATENTS were often sent to the local land office, where the patentees could more easily exchange their final certificates and take the precaution of registering the certificates with the local courthouse for legal reference and protection. Though many final certificates were never exchanged, a land-entry case file was still created. >>

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Hi, Thank you for sending all the link pages to the ILMADISON genealogy page,I will be checking them out and hopefully find information on my ancestors.Just wanted to say thank you. Connie in Missouri / cbrooks@ldd.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <Marennad@aol.com> To: <ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 1999 9:55 PM Subject: Can anyone use these? > > US TERITORIAL MAPS 1775-1920 > http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MAP/terr_hp.html > > FLORIDA CIVIL WAR MAP OF BATTLES > http://www.americancivilwar.com/statepic/fl.html > > CIVIL WAR MAPS > http://www.cwc.fsu.edu/cwc/links/links3.htm#Maps > > EARLY AMERICA MAPS > http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/maps/index.html > > HISTORICAL MAP WEB SITES > http://lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map_collection/map_sites/hist_sites.html > > RETRACING DEED RECORDS > http://www.remaxheritage-ri.com/~deeds/deeds.htm > > LAND PATENT RECORDS > http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ > > CEMETERY LISTINGS > http://www.daddezio.com/cemetery/junction/index.html > > http://www.interment.net/us/index.htm > > CENSUS > http://www.census-online.com/links/index.html > > http://www.censuslinks.com/directory/ > > GENDEX > http://www.gendex.com/gendex/ > > SURNAMES SEARCH > http://surnamesearch.com > > GENEALOGICAL LINKS > http://www.foodstorage.net/genlinks.htm > http://www.mtech.edu/silvrbow/genealog.htm > http://members.tripod.com/~rosters/ > > CIVIL WAR PHOTOS > http:/carlisle-www.army.mil/usamhi/PhotoDB.html > > SC VITAL RECORDS > http://www.vtalrec.com/sccounties.html > SC CENSUS > http://www.doitnow.com/~moravia/sc.html > SEARCHABLE LINKS > http://www.bc1.com/users/sgl/html/usa.htm > GA LAND LOTTERY > http://www.georgianetweb.com/bulloch/georgia_land_totteries.htm > AL TRACKING ROOTS > http://members.aol.com/genweblisa/tyralachart.htm > > http://www.ukans.edu/heritage/research/dbd.html > > good hunting > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Yvonne James-Henderson, > list administrator with questions concerning this list! > mailto:hen1@idt.net > >

This is messages of families all over Illinois I believe. Anyway I found some Isenbergs listed. http://genforum.genealogy.com/il/all.html

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Thank you, Have not thought of this. May help me find a lead. Angela WATSON, Joab b. 1803, living in 1828 Madison Co. IL WATSON, James R b. est. 1780, living in 1830 Madison Co. IL WATSON, Isaac b. est. 1805, 1832 living in Madison Co. IL ROBINSON, Elizabeth b. 1810 SC,1828 living in Madison Co. I

USING THE AVERAGES If you are at a dead-end trying to trace early pre-1850 ancestors, here are a few clues that may lead to finding that elusive documentation. Generally, there are three generations per century. The average age for men to marry was about 24-seldom before age 20. The average age for women to marry was 20-seldom before age 16. First marriages were usually between couples near the same age. Women usually outlived their husbands, but older widowers frequently married much younger women who had never been married. Births usually occurred at two year intervals. Frequently the first child was born a year after the marriage. Child bearing generally ended about age 45. Men usually married women from their neighborhood, but if a "non-local" woman shows up, check the man's former home. Often men returned to their former residence to find a wife. Families and neighbors usually migrated from their old homes together, and women rarely traveled alone. If you can't find an older parent, chances are he/she "went West" with a son or daughter and son-in-law. If you find an ancestor with a "virtue" name (Patience, Hope, Charity, etc.) consider a New England heritage. Children were often named for grandparents, both male and female. T

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Today was really informative. RB Roland Bauer wrote: > To the list: > > An all day Pre-Conference for Genealogical Librarians was held today at > the St. Louis County Library. > > The 5 speakers were: > Lloyd Bockstruck of the Dallas Public Library > Paul Connor of the Library of Congress > Brent Griffiths of The Family History Library > Martha Henderson of the Mid-Continent Public Library > Constance Potter of the National Archives > > If this was a sampling of the program for the FGS Conference this week, > it really will be good. I urge any one on the list, if possible, try > to attend some of the lectures. You won't be sorry. > > Roland Bauer, Collinsville, IL

Rosemary, The St John's United Church of Christ Cemetery at Midway, IL, located in Moro Township is in Volume 9, was just read about 3 years ago. Prairietown Lutheran Cemetery is in Volume 6

Roland Bauer wrote: > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------7F336D1AA08C384C5F2C5013 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Thought this would be of interest to those who missed it in the > newspaper. > > Roland Bauer, on the beautiful bluffs in Collinsville > > --------------7F336D1AA08C384C5F2C5013 > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > Return-Path: StLouis-MO-L-request@rootsweb.com > Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) > by postal.accessus.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA08910 > for <rrbauer@accessus.net>; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:00:24 -0500 (CDT) > Received: (from slist@localhost) > by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19754; > Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:58:15 -0700 (PDT) > Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:58:15 -0700 (PDT) > Message-ID: <37ADFD09.42B4@primary.net> > Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 16:56:25 -0500 > From: marty walsh <mpwengr@primary.net> > Organization: n/a > X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Old-To: StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Lost Madison County,IL 19th Century Cemetery found > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Resent-Message-ID: <4_M4uC.A.a0E.21fr3@bl-11.rootsweb.com> > To: StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-From: StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/5290 > X-Loop: StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: StLouis-MO-L-request@rootsweb.com > > On Thursday evening 8/5/99 one cocal TV staytion broke a fearure report > that a long lost forgotten Madison County IL cemetery record plat has > veen found and showed a county official unrolling the parchment for > thecamera- > Madison County is one of several Illinois Counties directly east of St > Louis City. The next day the Stb Louis Post-Despatch on Page D-1, 8/6/99 > carried an article that related how they found the plat when cleaning > out an old Mdison County IL County Clerk's vault.It appears to cover 2 > acres of a 10 acre county owned parcel near IL Route 159 and > Edwardsville's Main Street. They even have grave locations and some > names-others were believed to be paupers-in the late 1800's this was the > site of the county's "Poor farm"- The residents planted/plowed/harvested > crops and raised animals and lived in county units on the much l;asrger > tract back then-when they died they were buried in this corner if the > tract- The county engineer on camera said they will soon survey to > determine the corners of the cemetery and will stake out where the plat > shows burials-if there remain any monuments they will be reset and the > property will be cut and maintained in a respectable manor-they do > intend to ultimately compile a list of burials there which they estimate > at 200 roughly-Illinois State Comptroller Daniel Hynes who apparently > has a passion for the state preserving old abandoned/once lost > cemeteries around the state will be asked by the County to render > assistance in their work-the county intends to fence the boundaries once > located with a dignified suitable fence- > Marty > > --------------7F336D1AA08C384C5F2C5013-- > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Yvonne James-Henderson, > list administrator with questions concerning this list! > mailto:hen1@idt.net There is a book put out by the madison County Historical society called "Madison County Poor Farm Death Records indexes including burials in Potter's Field. It was compiled by Josephine Motz and can be purchased from the Historical society for $7.50 not including postage. The records are from 1880 to 1950, and has a wealth of information. It lists the birthplace, where the resident live at the time of admission to the fasility, the age at the time of death, and death date. In latter years, from 1910 to 1950 it lists the birth date also.

Hello! I would like to purchase some Madison County Cemetery Books, but am unsure of which volumes contain the cemetery listings that I am interested in. I want listings for Prairietown Cemetery (St. Peter's Lutheran) and St. John's Cemetery in Prairietown (Moro?). Can someone tell me which Volume #'s I need to order? Rosemary <roz1@poweruser.com>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7F336D1AA08C384C5F2C5013 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought this would be of interest to those who missed it in the newspaper. Roland Bauer, on the beautiful bluffs in Collinsville --------------7F336D1AA08C384C5F2C5013 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: StLouis-MO-L-request@rootsweb.com Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by postal.accessus.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA08910 for <rrbauer@accessus.net>; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:00:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19754; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37ADFD09.42B4@primary.net> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 16:56:25 -0500 From: marty walsh <mpwengr@primary.net> Organization: n/a X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Lost Madison County,IL 19th Century Cemetery found Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4_M4uC.A.a0E.21fr3@bl-11.rootsweb.com> To: StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/5290 X-Loop: StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: StLouis-MO-L-request@rootsweb.com On Thursday evening 8/5/99 one cocal TV staytion broke a fearure report that a long lost forgotten Madison County IL cemetery record plat has veen found and showed a county official unrolling the parchment for thecamera- Madison County is one of several Illinois Counties directly east of St Louis City. The next day the Stb Louis Post-Despatch on Page D-1, 8/6/99 carried an article that related how they found the plat when cleaning out an old Mdison County IL County Clerk's vault.It appears to cover 2 acres of a 10 acre county owned parcel near IL Route 159 and Edwardsville's Main Street. They even have grave locations and some names-others were believed to be paupers-in the late 1800's this was the site of the county's "Poor farm"- The residents planted/plowed/harvested crops and raised animals and lived in county units on the much l;asrger tract back then-when they died they were buried in this corner if the tract- The county engineer on camera said they will soon survey to determine the corners of the cemetery and will stake out where the plat shows burials-if there remain any monuments they will be reset and the property will be cut and maintained in a respectable manor-they do intend to ultimately compile a list of burials there which they estimate at 200 roughly-Illinois State Comptroller Daniel Hynes who apparently has a passion for the state preserving old abandoned/once lost cemeteries around the state will be asked by the County to render assistance in their work-the county intends to fence the boundaries once located with a dignified suitable fence- Marty --------------7F336D1AA08C384C5F2C5013--

Looking for the children of Peggy Smith. Peggy lived in Madison County, Alton. She was related to IRENE & BEN TINSLEY, NETTIE SMITH (TURNER), JACOB SMITH, GEORGE SMITH, ELIE SMITH. Lynn DeTrano

Hello, How can I find the non-Catholic Church records from Marine, Illinois Madison County from 1854 through 1888? Does anyone know of a Church records researcher for this area? I would appreciate any help you could give me in this matter. I am searching for STRAUB's and SCHAEFFER'S from this area. Thank you Deborah Mueller Houston, Texas (713) 220-3532 Deborah.Mueller@chron.com

Dotte Schneider wrote: > > Greetings, > > We are looking forward to visiting Madison County in the very near > future, and will hope to find the exact piece of land ("patent") that > had belonged to my g/g/g/grandfather, ZENAS WEBSTER. The description is > as follows: "east half of southeast quarter of secion 34 in township 6 > (north) of range 8 (west)......." which we believe to be fairly close to > Edwardsville. Zenas Webster died in his home on that property on May > 14, 1844 - in his 58th year, and must have been buried nearby. Sadly we > have not been able to locate his gravesite, and hope someone may be able > to help? > > Seeking any information in regard to the above property - which was held > in common with one SPROUT W. PADDOCK. Are there any Paddock descendants > still living in Madison County today? > > Warm wishes to all, > > Dotte Schneider > Lake of the Ozarks, Missouri > Dottie - We have just recently returned from vacationing and I have belatedly found the discussion of the Webster - Paddock property and a desire to find the burial site. I was born at the junction of Routes 140 and 159, in a large white house probably owned by the Flaggs. As some one stated, the Paddocks and Senator Flagg and his family lived just "down the road", north on Route 159. Elinor Flagg and my mother were very good friends. The cemetery where my parents and grandparents are buried is probably where you will find the Paddocks and Websters. From Rte. 159, continue east on Rte. 140 about one- half mile, past the first farm house. On the left side of the road you will find a narrow lane which seems to take you out in the fields. At the end of the road you will find a small, neat cemetery on the right. Good luck. Elinor

There is a campus in Carbondale, Illinois and one in Edwardsville, Illinois Is very much in existence. Nancy