Thanks -- this always makes me feel like such a dummy. I seem to go in circles on Ancestry Com., and they get so frustrated I just leave never to return LOL>

In a message dated 08/19/1999 1:42:19 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, Marennad@aol.com writes: << Not having much luck with this - everytime I want something on it they want the ususal name and password. Not a member - I think there prices are way to high. >> Ancestry has some free databases all of the time. Go to their home page and they are listed there. - www.ancestry.com Hope this helps. Carol

In a message dated 8/19/99 8:37:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rrbauer@accessus.net writes: << http://www.ancestry.com/dailynews/modata.htm >> Not having much luck with this - everytime I want something on it they want the ususal name and password. Not a member - I think there prices are way to high.

No James PATTON at that date that I have found as yet. I am still looking for the father of Isaac, but I do have a mother(?) Judah. And I have possible brothers of John b. 1818 and William & Gideon b. 1834. Marge

Hello List, I missed the original e-mail concerning the prison. I just wanted to share with you my experience with getting prison records. My ggrandfather served time in the Oklahoma State Prison. I contacted the OKDOC and requested the records. 7 days later, I received a copy of his entire file, including his mug shot. I had never seen a picture of him. Included in this package was a copy of finger prints, court dates, time served dates and what exactly happened in his own words. Most importantly though, was a list of just about every living relative, their current address at the time, his birthdate, birthplace and a physical description. I got tons of genealogical information from this prison record. I hope this can help someone. This prison record was from the mid 1930's and in OK. I know that years and states can be different but it is worth a try. Happy Hunting, Kelli barton22@earthlink.net Searching in Madison Co., BARTON, BROWN, OHM, JOHNS -----Original Message----- From: Tim Hoehn/Boydston <bacchus1@hotmail.com> To: ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com <ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 2:55 AM Subject: Re: Alton Federal Prison >Thank you Judy Clark-Wick and RacerBarb for your help.I will check out your >suggestions for sure! Tim in Alaska. > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > >==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search this list's archived messages! >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >Search the Rootsweb Resources Page for Madison County! >Includes several Madison Co search engines! >http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/IL/Madison/ > >

Thanks for the Alton webpage address. My husband and I have been at that library before doing reseach on his ancestors. His great-great-great-grandfather was a steamboat captain and he lived in Alton. We have been able to find a lot information on the family there. Maureen

Looking for any information on my grandmother, Nellie Jane Tinnin. She lived in Alton, Illinois with her husband, Charles W. Rettig, in 1914 where my father, Clifford Clinton Rettig, was born. She was born in Madison Co., MO abt 1890; married in Bollinger Co., MO on September 7th, 1913 and died in Elm Creek, NE of influenza on March 08, 1920. Madison County does not have her birth certificate and thus I cannot find her parents' names. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Their address at the time of my father's birth was: 1222 Union St., Alton, IL. If the original house still exists and someone would be willing to take a picture and send it to me, I would be very, very appreciative. I will be happy to reimburse you for your time and expense. I do have one picture of Nellie which I will be happy to forward if it might help. Thank you all, Pat Rettig-Green

Thank you Judy Clark-Wick and RacerBarb for your help.I will check out your suggestions for sure! Tim in Alaska. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

Marge, my great grandfather was James N. Patton, md. Amanda Tuggle in Stewart Co, TN. They are listed in the 1850 Stewart Co, TN census, but then I can not find them again. Does your Isaac Patton have a James N. Patton in his family tree? Anne

Tim, You might call or write the Hayner Public Library in Alton, Illinois. They have historical records there and I know there were quite a few books on the Alton Prison. I was visiting back in Alton last month and spent many days at the library doing genealogical research. While I was there, a couple came in to search the records looking for an ancestor who had been a guard at the prison too. I don't have the library address handy and I live in Florida, but Alton has a webpage and I believe the address is there, as well as an article about the prison and a list of confederate prisoners who died at the prison. The webpage is at: http://www.altonweb.com (They also put online the current obituaries for Alton and surrounding areas.) You might also find this of interest, I came across it while going through old newspapers in the library at Carrollton, Illinois and jotted it down: The Carrollton Gazette, Saturday January 18, 1862, Page 2, Column 1 of Volumn 16 No. 28: "The Alton penitentiary will be converted into a military prison, Gen. Halleck having notified parties at Alton to have the building prepared for the reception of the 1200 prisoners lately captured by Gen. Pope's command." Judy Clark-Wick JWick@compuserve.com Researching the Descendants of: John & Rebecca Clark of Rockbridge Co.VA c.1779-1831 1.Robert Clark & Phebe Beach of Rockbridge Co.VA c.1779-1836 2.Samuel Clark and Ann Reynolds of Rockbridge Co.VA & Greene Co.OH c.1809-1876 3.John M. Clark and Jennie Emma Howard of Greene Co., Rockbridge, IL c.1844-1905

For the best info on the Federal Prison in Alton, contact Don Huber at: altontwp@ezl.com. He gave a talk at our last genealogy meeting and he was great. Also, check out this site: "altonweb.com" --click on "local history", then the Civil War era. Don is very knowledgeable about this subject and says he gets e-mails every day about this subject.

Marge: This is New Douglas Twsp in the NE corner of the County, about a mile E and a little s of the Village of New Douglas. Town Hall # 217-456-9141. You might try: Supervisor of Assessment Administration Bldg. Madison County Edwardsville, IL 620025 My Madison County 1873 Atlas states: -----first settler --1819 etc. ---originally about 2/3 prairie: level in the E part, but somewhat broken in the w by Silver creek and it tributaries; there soil is average quality. The land is nearly all enclosed. " (fenced) No Patton in 1873. New Douglas is still a nice little village and many commute to work. Mostly property owner occupied. A nice drive on the Interstate 55 from St. L. Cheers!!!! RB Mncarr1996@aol.com wrote: > My gggrandfather, Isaac PATTON, was issued a land patent on June 10, 1850 for > land described as NENE, sec 22, Twp 6-N, Range 5-W, Fract sect. N, 3rd > > Principal Meridian in Madison County. Could someone please translate that > information into an actual parcel number or tell me where I can get the > parcel number? > > Marge > mncarr1996@aol.com > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Madison County Home Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmadiso/index.htm > Search the Rootsweb Resources Page for Madison County! > Includes several Madison Co search engines! > http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/IL/Madison/

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------923B944BC9CB8A54D88D3D42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This letter is forward to the Madiosn Co list. Can anyone help John? Cheers!!! RB --------------923B944BC9CB8A54D88D3D42 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: conlaeth@juno.com Received: from m2.boston.juno.com (m2.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.199]) by postal.accessus.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA32192 for <rrbauer@accessus.net>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:01:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from conlaeth@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EH6FTSDD; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:54:46 EDT To: rrbauer@accessus.net Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:27:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Twsp Message-ID: <19990816.105120.3686.27.conlaeth@juno.com> References: <37B83861.6DBD3B65@accessus.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,9-14,16-40 From: John L Maurath <conlaeth@juno.com> This is great Roland - thanks so much! Which Catholic Church was in existence in Fosterburg in 1840? I think Augustus was killed in the Civil War and is buried in the National Cemetery in Vicksburg, and that's why you don't see him on the 1873 atlas. He had Maurath relatives in Ridge Prairie - Bethel District and in Millstadt (both in St.Clair County). The name was really botched up in spelling because of their German/French accents. You wouldn't believe some of the ways is was spelled. Anyhow, I would really appreciate it if you could let me know which Church a Catholic family from Fosterburg would have attended in 1840. Thanks again so very much. John Maurath conlaeth@juno.com On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:12:17 -0700 Roland Bauer <rrbauer@accessus.net> writes: >Your township is Foster and about the only town was Fosterburg. >Begins at N side of Alton, runs E just N of bethalto and almost to >Moro. >Then N to the Macoupin county line. > >My 1873 Atlas does not show any name that is similar to Maurath. You >would enjoy the Madison Co His. Lib on N Main St , Edwardsville. >Check >hours. They are helpful. > >1873 Twsp first settled in 1818. Originally open timber where >prairie >grass grew abundantly. Intersected by branches of the Wood River. Soil >adapted to every variety of fruit: wheat and other cereals abundantly >raised. Coal until entire Twsp, mined in various locations; 3 to 6 ft >strata, 80 ft or less from surface. Rockford, Rock island & St. l RR >runs through entire Twsp, from N to S. > >hope this is helpful > >Cheers!!!!! > >Roland Bauer on the bluffs in S Mad. Co. > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. --------------923B944BC9CB8A54D88D3D42--

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Hi all, does anyone know where to find any records on the prison in Alton from around 1870?My GGG grandfather was employed by them but was a civilian. Thank you, Tim Hoehn/Boydston _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

> I'm trying to find out which town Augustus MOURAT (MAURATH) lived in. > He was listed on the 1850 Madison County census on page 414, and the > township was listed as 6N9W. No town name was given. Anyone have any > ideas? Thanks so much! > It looks like that is north of the present-day Alton. If you go to this address and scroll down to "Determining Location", you can get a map showing Counties, Townships and Ranges in Illinois. It uses Adobe Reader which is downloadable there. Everyone looking at Illinois land sales will want to check this out: http://www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/data_lan.html#location It is helpful to read (or print out) this page as it explains the meaning of the legal descriptions found in the land sale records. Then click on "Download the Illinois Public Domain Land Tract Sales map (Requires Adobe Acrobat Reader 3.0 or later)." Maggie

Are there tax records back as far as 1850, if so where are they kept? Marge

My gggrandfather, Isaac PATTON, was issued a land patent on June 10, 1850 for land described as NENE, sec 22, Twp 6-N, Range 5-W, Fract sect. N, 3rd Principal Meridian in Madison County. Could someone please translate that information into an actual parcel number or tell me where I can get the parcel number? Marge mncarr1996@aol.com

Good Morning Everyone, I just joined this list. I am looking for any information on the surnames LUEKER, WITTE, or BERNHARDT. Each of them have individual Madison County histories that eventually meet in Fayette County, Illinois. Any information on these would be gladly appreciated. Regards, --Jon from Philadelphia

Hello folks, I'm new to this list, and was wondering if anyone knew how to find out the name of a town simply from the township number listed on a census? I'm trying to find out which town Augustus MOURAT (MAURATH) lived in. He was listed on the 1850 Madison County census on page 414, and the township was listed as 6N9W. No town name was given. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks so much! John L. Maurath conlaeth@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.