Births are usually filed in the county or independent city of birth. Please note that St. Louis city and St. Louis county have had a difference of opinion as to government reporting lines throughout history. At one time St. Louis city was part of the county. Then they decided that they didn't want to report directly to the county but to the state. So they split their relationship. Then the city decided it had made a wrong move so it went back under the county control. Then again the city leaders decided they wanted to be separated from the county and the split was made once more which is still true today. Therefore, St. Louis city is not in St. Louis county. St. Louis city is an independent city which reports directly to the State of Missouri. A lot of researchers will record the following which is an error - St. Louis, St. Louis, Missouri I put in my personal records when recording the city - St. Louis, City, Missouri This way I know the difference. St. Louis city records are at the vital records office on Grand Avenue, about a block from Powell Symphony Hall and Fox Theatre. St. Louis county records are at the health department in Clayton in a building away from the main government buildings in downtown Clayton. Debbi Geer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com

IN the 1913 time frame, if a woman living on the Illinois side gave birth in St. Louis, where would the birth record be listed. In Illinois county of residence or St. Louis, Mo? Pat

Can anyone do a lookup for the birth (or marriage) of Margaret Ellen Flynn, born about 1867 in Edwardsville. She married Edward Higgins in June 1893, supposedly in Edwardsville (would proably have been a Catholic marriage) an died in Decatur, Il in 1895. That's all I know about this person. Help most greatfully appreciated. pat [email protected] "The greatest failure is the failure to try"

Debbi, I don't know whether I have written to thank you for your help. If not, thank you. If yes, thank you again. I have had another person contact me lives in Alton, but who winters in Mexico. She has promised to do some research when she returns to Alton. Believe it or not, there is a connection with the family. I am really excited about this. Alton has been such a stone wall. Thank you again for the time and effort you have put in for me. Deone Wiley ----- Original Message ----- From: Debbi Geer Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 3:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] CATHOLIC CEMETERIES Deone You probably already have this, but I looked up the Zerwas family in 1880. Found the following 2 entries - Fred Zerwas and his wife lived on Danforth. Danforth is off of State Street. One of the key landmarks is the Alton Catholic Children's Home which I is operated by the Diocese of Springfield. Danforth is next to the area which is referred to as "Fairmount Addition". Fairmount is probably the richest part of Alton. When I was taking piano lessons from a teacher who lived less than 2 blocks from the entrance of Fairmount, a school friend and I would take walks in Fairmount. No one bothered us even though it was supposed to be guarded at that time. I guess he came to know us pretty good and didn't say anything as we didn't bother anyone. Now you can't get by that easy. The former Olin Mansion is back there too and a person could get lost in that place alone. I had the privilege to see the blueprints of the layout of the mansion and what a person could do if they had the money especially if they needed lots of room for genealogical purposes. The entire 4th floor was the children's play area plus the Nanny's bedroom and bathroom. Nicholas Zervas (notice spelling) and his family was living in North Alton as you have said. It doesn't give street addresses but that part of Delmar where they lived is what is referred to as North Alton. Fred most likely was a member of Sts Peter and Paul Catholic Church. Nicholas probably was too but that area in Alton has some strange dividing lines. My great-uncle and great-aunt lived a few blocks from State Street and went to St Mary's Church. I don't know if they just continued to associate with St. Mary's as that's where the rest of the Girth's went or if their house was actually in St Mary's parish area even though it was closer to Sts Peter and Paul. Debbi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== Passenger Lists on the internet search: http://www.google.com/search?q=Passenger+Lists&btnG=Google+Search

Forgot to add the following concerning the cemetery of the original Catholic Church located on the Prairietown Road. It's my understanding that the remains or possibly shovels of dirt were interred at St. Mary's Cemetery in rural Bunker Hill. The cemetery is located 2-3 miles east of IL 159 just inside the Macoupin/Madison county line. Moulton Road is on the west side of IL 195 but the road has a different name on the east side and I don't recall the name. The cemetery is associated with St. Mary's Catholic Church in that it's a final resting place for members of the parish, but it has it's own association officers which keep the records. Sadly there is no map of burials to identify individuals - only a lot map which shows the names of the owner. Debbi Geer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com

A friend of our family did some research for the Bunker Hill History Book a few years before she passed away. The following is based on an article which Frances Sanford Stadelman wrote about the history of St Mary's in Bunker Hill: Sunday services without a priest at the Carroll settlement about seven miles south of Bunker Hill (this would be around the Prairietown Road area - then referred to as Ridgely) first Catholic Church to serve the present territory of the Bunker Hill parish - built 1854 on Prairietown Road (which intersects with IL 159) which included a cemetery; only tombstone fragments can be found if you're lucky today services held in Bunker Hill by priests from Alton; church built in Bunker Hill 1865 and also had school which provided education for years until families moved away lowering the parish family count and children attending Bunker Hill parish also had charge of missions at Shipman and Gillespie until they were formally made into parishes; Wilsonville parish founded as a mission of Bunker Hill and still remains as such; Shipman even though a parish is under the pastoral of Bunker Hill parish today due to a lack of priests; Bethalto was once a mission under Bunker Hill but at some point was placed under Wood River St. Bernard's parish before it was named a parish 1938 tornado - destroy church steeple 1948 tornado - Sunday morning 6:45 a.m. March 19 - destroyed church which had just went through a year of improvements including a new roof, new organ and redecorating of church which stood for 83 years serving the families in and around Bunker Hill first 4 Sundays after 1948 tornado - Mass in schoolhouse next 6 months - in First National Bank building Fall 1948 - parish bought Moses True home (on Franklin Street facing Orange Street in Bunker Hill) - used as church, hall and rectory (later was rectory until a new rectory was built next to the church on Putnam in 1960's) May 1949 - new church construction began October 9, 1949 - cornerstone laid December 25, 1949 - 5:00 a.m. first Mass said in new church Pastors of St. Mary's Church - 1879-1914 Rev. F. H. Zabel 1914-1919 Rev. D. J. Higgins 1919-1932 Rev. C. T. Stolze 1932-1937 Rev. George H. Powell 1937-1938 Rev. K. P. Diggins 1938-1945 Rev. Maurice Gavin 1945-1947 Rev. John A. Colavecchio 1947-1959 Rev. Thomas J. Davenport 1959-1989 Rev. Casimir Gierut 1989-Present Rev. Robert Porter My comments: For those reading this, I'm not sure if the records for Shipman, Gillespie and Bethalto were forwarded to the respective parish or not after the years as missions to Bunker Hill. I would suggest that anyone who had family associated with the churches in these towns check with Bunker Hill for the records (baptisms, confirmations, first communions, marriages, and burials) if they cannot be found at the respective parish. I do know that some of Bethalto's early records are with St. Bernard's in Wood River. Debbi Geer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com

thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: Debbi Geer <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] St. Mary's Church Records > St Mary's Church is on the corner of Henry and 4th > Streets looking at Henry but the office is on the back > side of the church on 4th Street. So the address you > have is for the office. > > Don't know how much they charge, but last I heard was > that donations are appreciated and look ups as time > permits. All information to make the time short in > getting copies would help expedite their work. > > Debbi Geer > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > To post a message so everyone on ILMADISO-L or ILMADISO-D receives it, send the message to: > [email protected] > It will then be sent on to everyone in both ILMADISO-L or ILMADISO-D. >

In my research, I have found a Lizzie Stahl that was apparently a cousin to my great-grandmother, Theresia [Mueller] Holl. Lizzie Stahl might have been related in some way to a Bauer family that owned a furniture store/funeral parlor in Alton. I haven't figured out the connection yet. I have letter from Lizzie Stahl written in 1898. Scott Holl > From: "Pat Hammons" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:20:56 -0600 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ILMADISO-L] Alton Illinois - Stahl > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:26:46 -0700 > > I have a Clarence Stahl born Aug 19 1906 and died Dec 1980 in Alton, Madison > County, Illinois. Clarence may have been married to Margaret Stanton about > 1905. Clarence had a son also named Clarence who died in Dec 1980 and is > buried at St. Joseph's Catholic Church, Alton, Ilinois. The latter Clarance > had a daughter Bernice, married to a Henderson and also a daughter Lillian > married to a Josh, (last name unknown. > > > Clarence ( the older) had a brother: > > Cecil N. Stahl born May 10 1898 and deid Feb 21 1988. I beleive Cecil was > married to Victoria Lanham abt the 1930's. Don't know anymore about if they > have family. > > > Does anyone on this list know of their families or is anyone related to > these families? They had other siblings. > > Please email or contact me. > > thanks > > Pat > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Difference between ILMADISO-L and ILMADISO-D: > ILMADISO-L mailing list allows you to receive every posting made to ILMADISO > as a separate email. > ILMADISO-D mailing list allows you to receive several postings as a single > large message. > >

Where would the Catholic community in Bunker Hill have gone to Church, been baptized, in the 1850's? Debbi Geer <[email protected]> wrote: Deone Forgot to tell you something you might be interested in. My dad's father was raised in Alton. He was one of 12 children born to John and Rosa Boschert Girth. The Boschert's were associated with St. Mary's Church and of course burials in St. Joseph's Cemetery. You may recognize the Boschert and/or Girth family. My grandparents lived in several places in Alton before they moved to Bunker Hill in 1936. My dad and his twin were born in 1922 on Washington Avenue just a few blocks up from Broadway. His youngest sister was born in 1934 on Virginia Avenue which is a one block street next to St. Anthony's Hospital over by St. Joseph's Cemetery. His middle sister was born on Delmar. I'd have to get her birth certificate out but I believe the address was in the 200 block. Don't know if it was west or east. She was born in 1930. So you may have made contact with them while visiting. Debbi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== Cyndi's List of Genealogy Links-Lots of helpful links for your research. http://www.cyndislist.com/ Tom Hanley, Prof. of Geology Department of Chemistry and Geology, C.S.U. 4225 University Ave., Columbus, GA 31907-5645 VOX: (706) 568-2075; FAX: (706) 569-3133 See our Departmental home page http://chemgeo.colstate.edu/ Links to the ACRES projects and to Panama photos may be found at: http://chemgeo.ColState.edu/th_hp.htm --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail

St Mary's Church is on the corner of Henry and 4th Streets looking at Henry but the office is on the back side of the church on 4th Street. So the address you have is for the office. Don't know how much they charge, but last I heard was that donations are appreciated and look ups as time permits. All information to make the time short in getting copies would help expedite their work. Debbi Geer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com

Thank you for that information. Samuel Stahl (who married Elizabeth Boucher) was a brother to Hiram Stahl who married Sarah Boucher) The Bouchers were sisters. The person I am really researching is Ellen Stahl (b. April 1851) , d/o Hiram Stahl. Ellen married 1st to David Porter and had one child Elmer Porter, soon after the baby was born, she divorced David and probably moved back to Illinois with her family. Then later married John C. Frank from Fountain Green IL area. Since I reached a dead end with Ellen and John Frank, I thought I would try with the Stahl surname. I am trying to track down whatever happened to Elmer D. Porter born 1882. Of course I am trying to find when and where Ellen died and is buried. Also information on Elmer. Several of older Stahls lived in Alton. And there are still Stahls and Porters there today, according to phone directories. (May not be related etc) I know Elmer was alive in 1903. You may already know this, and I do have older Stahl and Boucher information if you are interested or don't have it. Maybe we can figure this out. Are you from Alton? I am from Central MO. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] Alton Illinois - Stahl > Hi Pat :o) > I did not know if this would be of any relevance to you or not, but I > thought I would throw it out there. I have a GG-GrandUncle, named Daniel > LYNCH. His first wife was Mary STAHL. She was the daughter of Samuel and > Elizabeth (nee BOUCHER) STAHL. In the 1880 Madison County, Illinois census, > there is a listing for the STAHL household, showing Samuel and Elizabeth with > their 2 sons, Daniel (born about 1843)and Samuel (born about 1860), their > Grandson, Herbert STAHL (born about 1873). Mary (nee STAHL) Lynch, died in > 1878, and 2 of her 3 children, Samuel and Dora Lynch are also living with the > STAHL's at this time. > I hope there might be some information you find helpful in research. > Good luck. > Kelly > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search Engine for Genealogy Madison County Illinois > http://www.google.com/search?q=Genealogy+Madison+County+Illinois&btnG=Google +Search >

Hi Pat :o) I did not know if this would be of any relevance to you or not, but I thought I would throw it out there. I have a GG-GrandUncle, named Daniel LYNCH. His first wife was Mary STAHL. She was the daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth (nee BOUCHER) STAHL. In the 1880 Madison County, Illinois census, there is a listing for the STAHL household, showing Samuel and Elizabeth with their 2 sons, Daniel (born about 1843)and Samuel (born about 1860), their Grandson, Herbert STAHL (born about 1873). Mary (nee STAHL) Lynch, died in 1878, and 2 of her 3 children, Samuel and Dora Lynch are also living with the STAHL's at this time. I hope there might be some information you find helpful in research. Good luck. Kelly

As I understand it, St. Joseph Cemetery records are at St. Mary's. Is there more than one St. Mary's. Some one said it was on Henry St., but the address I found on Internet says 519 E. 4th St. Has anyone on the list requested records from them? Is there a charge? How much Donation for one name etc? Thanks again Pat

I have a Clarence Stahl born Aug 19 1906 and died Dec 1980 in Alton, Madison County, Illinois. Clarence may have been married to Margaret Stanton about 1905. Clarence had a son also named Clarence who died in Dec 1980 and is buried at St. Joseph's Catholic Church, Alton, Ilinois. The latter Clarance had a daughter Bernice, married to a Henderson and also a daughter Lillian married to a Josh, (last name unknown. Clarence ( the older) had a brother: Cecil N. Stahl born May 10 1898 and deid Feb 21 1988. I beleive Cecil was married to Victoria Lanham abt the 1930's. Don't know anymore about if they have family. Does anyone on this list know of their families or is anyone related to these families? They had other siblings. Please email or contact me. thanks Pat

thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] Porter - East Alton > In a message dated 2/13/02 9:52:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > I do not have access to Alton City Directory and do not live in Ilinois > > > Try calling the library in Alton. They will probably look up the names for > you in the City Directory. > Carol > Carol Robertson > Sierra Vista, AZ > Please visit my website: > <A HREF="http://www.carolscarvings.homestead.com/CarolsCarvings.html">http://ww w.CarolsCarvings.homestead.com/CarolsCarvings.html</A> > > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Keep an eye on this census site because more census' are going up every day. > http://www.us-census.org/usgwcens/ > and this one: http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/states.htm >

I listed the Zerwas family months ago and have only just received a reply. How is your husband related? Nicolas Zerwas was my great grandfather. His daughter Genevieve (how she hated that name and called herself Jennie all of her life) was my grandmother. She married Oliver Ferry in 1903/4. Tillie Holland was my great aunt and Anna Margaret my cousin. I have had no contact with Anna Margaret in years but spent a lot of time with her when I was a girl. I have written to the family and received no answer. I am afraid that they thought it was a scam although I sent pictures of the family to show that I really was a part. ANY help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. If you are in contact with the family, can you tell them I am sincere and want only information on the family, especially great grandma Margaret Huebner. There is a difference in the email address and my name. I live with my daughter and it is her computer. Thank you very much, Deone Ferry Wiley ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharlene Meyer Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 6:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [ILMADISO-L] ZERWAS FAMILY I must have missed the post on the Zerwas family. My husband is related to the Zerwas', and we have lived in Alton all our lives. Perhaps we can help you. Sharlene ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== Keep an eye on this census site because more census' are going up every day. http://www.us-census.org/usgwcens/ and this one: http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/states.htm

In a message dated 2/13/02 9:52:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > I do not have access to Alton City Directory and do not live in Ilinois > Try calling the library in Alton. They will probably look up the names for you in the City Directory. Carol Carol Robertson Sierra Vista, AZ Please visit my website: <A HREF="http://www.carolscarvings.homestead.com/CarolsCarvings.html">http://www.CarolsCarvings.homestead.com/CarolsCarvings.html</A>

Socony-Vacuum Oil Company had a refinery along the Mississippi River, just south of East St. Louis. Its service stations were called MOBIL. SOCONY is an acronym for Standard Oil Company of New York. Frank Marsha Ensminger wrote: > > A friend is puzzling over the place of employment on an SS-5 he > received. It looks like "Bacony-Vacuum Oil Co", but he's not sure. It > was located at 20th St & IC tracks, East St. Louis (I know, wrong > county, but maybe someone here will remember the place.) I was > wondering if the first word could have been Socony (now Mobil). > A search for "Bacony-Vacuum" at google came up with nothing. > Thanks for any assistance. > > ===== > Marsha L. Ensminger > searching for Westerhold/t/z in the US and ? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search USGenWeb including the archives, census' which are done, etc.: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm > Surname Helper Search Engine: > http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html

I must have missed the post on the Zerwas family. My husband is related to the Zerwas', and we have lived in Alton all our lives. Perhaps we can help you. Sharlene

Deone You probably already have this, but I looked up the Zerwas family in 1880. Found the following 2 entries - Fred Zerwas and his wife lived on Danforth. Danforth is off of State Street. One of the key landmarks is the Alton Catholic Children's Home which I is operated by the Diocese of Springfield. Danforth is next to the area which is referred to as "Fairmount Addition". Fairmount is probably the richest part of Alton. When I was taking piano lessons from a teacher who lived less than 2 blocks from the entrance of Fairmount, a school friend and I would take walks in Fairmount. No one bothered us even though it was supposed to be guarded at that time. I guess he came to know us pretty good and didn't say anything as we didn't bother anyone. Now you can't get by that easy. The former Olin Mansion is back there too and a person could get lost in that place alone. I had the privilege to see the blueprints of the layout of the mansion and what a person could do if they had the money especially if they needed lots of room for genealogical purposes. The entire 4th floor was the children's play area plus the Nanny's bedroom and bathroom. Nicholas Zervas (notice spelling) and his family was living in North Alton as you have said. It doesn't give street addresses but that part of Delmar where they lived is what is referred to as North Alton. Fred most likely was a member of Sts Peter and Paul Catholic Church. Nicholas probably was too but that area in Alton has some strange dividing lines. My great-uncle and great-aunt lived a few blocks from State Street and went to St Mary's Church. I don't know if they just continued to associate with St. Mary's as that's where the rest of the Girth's went or if their house was actually in St Mary's parish area even though it was closer to Sts Peter and Paul. Debbi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com