I am taking a trip to Madison County on March 6,7, and/or 8 and will be looking at some OLD church records (United Church of Christ in Granite City) which are written in the old German script. Do any of you "translate" that writing, or could you refer me to someone who does? Thanx, Don ================================ Don Dickason Searching for family names: Dickason, Hamilton, Cadwal(l)ader, Wisely, Steinberg, Borchward(t), Biesterfeld(t), Blair

Sharleen My error on the street. It's Pearl that I believe runs on the lower side (no entrance though) of the cemetery. The military burials and the citizens ground (paupers graves) are down on that lower side. Most of the citizens ground burials don't have markers but the records of the burials are in the cemetery records. That's how I discovered where my gr-gr-grandparents are buried - both without markers and about 30 graves from each other. I went to Map Quest to verify that it is Pearl, which it is. However, Map Quest has the cemetery identified as Grandview. Interesting since I don't think anyone refers to it as such for the past 20 or 30 years. I know that when I first saw it in an obit I had to ask around. A lot of the people I asked had lived in Alton all their life and had never heard of the place. Thanks for getting me straight. I've been researching on the computer and in the library for about a month now for almost every waking hour and I think it's got my brain sleeping. Debbi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com

Whoops!!! Piasa Street is no where near Alton City Cemetery. Alton City Cemetery is off Broadway. You go up Monument Street off Broadway to 5th Street which runs east and west. Alton City Cemetery is on your right. If you happen to be coming from St. Louis across the new Clark Bridge, when you get across the bridge you turn right and get in the left turn lane. At the first stoplight, you angle left and at the bottom of that little decline there is a stoplight. That's Broadway. Cross Broadway onto Monument Street and continue up the hill, the Alton City Cemetery is on your right. The Lovejoy Monument is in the Alton City Cemetery. There is also a large mausoleum there. We have family buried all over that cemetery and in the mausoleum. My husband's great-grandfather lived at the Corner of Cherry Street and 4th Street over a hundred years ago. That house is still standing and in good condition. You cross Cherry Street on your way up to 5th Street. Sharlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Debbi Geer <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:18 AM Subject: [ILMADISO-L] Alton City Cemetery Name Correction > My apology for getting two cemetery names mixed up. > Thank you Sharlene for questioning the name so quickly > so that I may correct myself. > > Greenwood Cemetery and St. Patrick's Cemetery on IL 3 > in Godfrey have been interchanged through the years. > Greenwood Lane runs on the west side of the cemetery. > > > Upper Alton Cemetery and Oakwood Cemetery have been > interchanged too. > > Alton City (between Piasa and ?Cherry Streets a few > blocks off of Broadway (formerly Second Street) was > referred to as Grandview Cemetery years ago. > > So in turn 3 of the major cemeteries in the > Alton/Godfrey area have been known by two names each. > Grandview and Greenwood names are rarely used these > days. > > > Debbi Geer > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search Madison County maillist archives; enter the word ilmadiso here: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ILMADISO > Find the names of other maillists to search: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ >

I didn't know that. Do you mean the Greenwood Cemetery out on Route 3 was called the Alton Cemetery or the Alton Cemetery on 5th Street was called the Greenwood Cemetery. Greenwood Cemetery is a Catholic Cemetery. Greenwood Cemetery is actually St. Patrick's. It is located off Route 3. City Cemetery is now Alton City Cemetery and located on 5th Street. St. Joseph's is located across from St. Anthony's hospital on Elm Street, and, of course, Oakwood Cemetery is now Upper Alton Cemetery. Sharlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Debbi Geer <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] Upper Alton Cemetery > With regard to cemeteries and change of names - > > Alton Cemetery was referred to back around the turn of > the 20th century as Greenwood Cemetery. So if anyone > runs across a burial in Greenwood Cemetery, you'll > where it is and how to get information on the burials > there. > > > Debbi Geer > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Cyndi's List of Genealogy Links-Lots of helpful links for your research. > http://www.cyndislist.com/ >

It is still called Oakwood by those who live in Alton. It is located on Oakwood Avenue but now also has access from Homer Adams Parkway. Sharlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Darrell Wesley <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 8:35 PM Subject: [ILMADISO-L] Upper Alton Cemetery > Can anyone tell me if the Upper Alton Cemetery was called Oakwood Cemetery around 1935? > > Darrell > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Difference between ILMADISO-L and ILMADISO-D: > ILMADISO-L mailing list allows you to receive every posting made to ILMADISO as a separate email. > ILMADISO-D mailing list allows you to receive several postings as a single large message. >

It was called Oakwood at that time.

My apology for getting two cemetery names mixed up. Thank you Sharlene for questioning the name so quickly so that I may correct myself. Greenwood Cemetery and St. Patrick's Cemetery on IL 3 in Godfrey have been interchanged through the years. Greenwood Lane runs on the west side of the cemetery. Upper Alton Cemetery and Oakwood Cemetery have been interchanged too. Alton City (between Piasa and ?Cherry Streets a few blocks off of Broadway (formerly Second Street) was referred to as Grandview Cemetery years ago. So in turn 3 of the major cemeteries in the Alton/Godfrey area have been known by two names each. Grandview and Greenwood names are rarely used these days. Debbi Geer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com

In a message dated 2/18/02 7:42:54 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Can anyone tell me if the Upper Alton Cemetery was called Oakwood Cemetery > around 1935? > It sure was. Carol Carol Robertson Sierra Vista, AZ Please visit my website: <A HREF="http://www.carolscarvings.homestead.com/CarolsCarvings.html">http://www.CarolsCarvings.homestead.com/CarolsCarvings.html</A>

Can anyone tell me if the Upper Alton Cemetery was called Oakwood Cemetery around 1935? Darrell

With regard to cemeteries and change of names - Alton Cemetery was referred to back around the turn of the 20th century as Greenwood Cemetery. So if anyone runs across a burial in Greenwood Cemetery, you'll where it is and how to get information on the burials there. Debbi Geer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com

Upper Alton Cemetery was originally that - Upper Alton Cemetery. Then at some point people decided that other than Upper Alton residents were being buried there and it shouldn't have that name so it was changed to the street that runs south of it - Oakwood Cemetery. Now it's referred to by both depending on how you grew up with the name. However, phone directory entry has it listed as Upper Alton Cemetery. Debbi Geer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com

Thanks for the date for Charles Stahl. Will check this out at the library and see if I can find anything about his sister. Barbara

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I also have some Hanleys in the Madison county area. I agree, too much of a coincidence. Marlena > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822 > Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:17:20 -0800 (PST) > From: Tom Hanley <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] CATHOLIC CEMETERIES > > I saw my ggf and ggm plus a bunch of their kids in > the 1860(?) census. There were several other > Hanleys but I don't remember if they spelled their > name with a "d." My ggf and ggm were listed as > being from overseas (if I interpret the symbols > correctly) but the other Hanleys were listed as > being from Maine. I suspect my ggf was related to > the others in the census but I have no information > about him. My ggf and ggm moved to New Albany where > he soon died. Their children and grandchildren > moved to Muncie, Indianapolis, TerreHaute and > Chicago. I have never heard reference to any > relatives left behind in Illinois, but I can't > believe my ggf's living in Bunker Hill was > coincidental. > Thanks for your reply > [email protected] wrote: My ggrandfather, John > Handley, farmed and died in Bunker Hill 1870, he is > burried in Staunton, his widow and children attended > the Catholic Church > there. Do you have Hanley/Handley connections in So. > IL? > > Katharine Enslow Owens > > ===== Moderator for BabyChristianChat and AtHome groups within the Women of Worth Ministries at http://www.women-of-worth.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com

Hi Barb, As I was looking over the information that I had, which is pretty much the same as yours, I did find a death date for Charles Edward Stahl. I have Nov. 8 1857 as birth and Feb 4 1941 as death. I don't have my source listed, but most of my info came from researchers in the Moro area, but maybe it will give you something to check out. If you do find an obit, I would be interested, in especially if it listed people. On Clarence's second wife, all I have is a first name of Margaret, so that is not much help. If you do run into anything on Ellen/Ellinore Stahl Frank or her son Elmer D. Porter, please keep me in mind. Someone last year said. John C. Frank and his first wife had a tombstone, but that he was not buried in it, and was probably buried with Ellen, Also someone sent me part of a newpaper write up, where it said, among people ill in Feb 1912 was John C. Frank. So he was still alive then. Thanks for your help Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] Alton Illinois - Stahl > Pat, > > The information I have on the Stahls is Ellinora was married to a Mr Frank > and lived in Fountain Green, IL in 1912 when Hiram Stahl died. > > Charles E Stahl born Nov 1857, married abt 1885, and died 1941, buried in > Moro Cemetery. I don't have an exact death date for him so have not been > able to track down and obit on him. > > The rest of the family, Martha was in Lawrence KS in 1912; Lavenia was in > Somerset, PA in 1912, Maria married Joseph A Russell and was in Staunton, IL > in 1912 and Daniel was also in Staunton in 1912. > > For The Clarence Stahl information, Clarence Victor was born 1885 married > Margaret Stanton July 1905 and died in 1973. Their son, was Clarence S born > 19 Aug 1906 and he died 28 Dec 1980. He married Mar 11, 1951 in Fort Smith, > Ark., Mary Rosa Hargis Barton, she was born 6 Dec 1910, died 11 Dec 1969. He > remarried but I don't have his 2nd wife's name. Children were Bernice > Henderson and Lillian Josh (Josh was the last name) I got this info from > his obituary.) > > Cencil N was born 10 May 1898 died 21 Feb 1988, me married 22 Oct 1930 > Victoria L Lanham. > > They are not in my family--but the Stahl family originally lived in Moro, > which I have been researching. > > Barbara > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search USGenWeb including the archives, census' which are done, etc.: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm > Surname Helper Search Engine: > http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html >

Pat, The information I have on the Stahls is Ellinora was married to a Mr Frank and lived in Fountain Green, IL in 1912 when Hiram Stahl died. Charles E Stahl born Nov 1857, married abt 1885, and died 1941, buried in Moro Cemetery. I don't have an exact death date for him so have not been able to track down and obit on him. The rest of the family, Martha was in Lawrence KS in 1912; Lavenia was in Somerset, PA in 1912, Maria married Joseph A Russell and was in Staunton, IL in 1912 and Daniel was also in Staunton in 1912. For The Clarence Stahl information, Clarence Victor was born 1885 married Margaret Stanton July 1905 and died in 1973. Their son, was Clarence S born 19 Aug 1906 and he died 28 Dec 1980. He married Mar 11, 1951 in Fort Smith, Ark., Mary Rosa Hargis Barton, she was born 6 Dec 1910, died 11 Dec 1969. He remarried but I don't have his 2nd wife's name. Children were Bernice Henderson and Lillian Josh (Josh was the last name) I got this info from his obituary.) Cencil N was born 10 May 1898 died 21 Feb 1988, me married 22 Oct 1930 Victoria L Lanham. They are not in my family--but the Stahl family originally lived in Moro, which I have been researching. Barbara

Thank you Barbara!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] Alton Illinois - Stahl > Pat, > > The information I have on the Stahls is Ellinora was married to a Mr Frank > and lived in Fountain Green, IL in 1912 when Hiram Stahl died. > > Charles E Stahl born Nov 1857, married abt 1885, and died 1941, buried in > Moro Cemetery. I don't have an exact death date for him so have not been > able to track down and obit on him. > > The rest of the family, Martha was in Lawrence KS in 1912; Lavenia was in > Somerset, PA in 1912, Maria married Joseph A Russell and was in Staunton, IL > in 1912 and Daniel was also in Staunton in 1912. > > For The Clarence Stahl information, Clarence Victor was born 1885 married > Margaret Stanton July 1905 and died in 1973. Their son, was Clarence S born > 19 Aug 1906 and he died 28 Dec 1980. He married Mar 11, 1951 in Fort Smith, > Ark., Mary Rosa Hargis Barton, she was born 6 Dec 1910, died 11 Dec 1969. He > remarried but I don't have his 2nd wife's name. Children were Bernice > Henderson and Lillian Josh (Josh was the last name) I got this info from > his obituary.) > > Cencil N was born 10 May 1898 died 21 Feb 1988, me married 22 Oct 1930 > Victoria L Lanham. > > They are not in my family--but the Stahl family originally lived in Moro, > which I have been researching. > > Barbara > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search USGenWeb including the archives, census' which are done, etc.: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm > Surname Helper Search Engine: > http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html >

I saw my ggf and ggm plus a bunch of their kids in the 1860(?) census. There were several other Hanleys but I don't remember if they spelled their name with a "d." My ggf and ggm were listed as being from overseas (if I interpret the symbols correctly) but the other Hanleys were listed as being from Maine. I suspect my ggf was related to the others in the census but I have no information about him. My ggf and ggm moved to New Albany where he soon died. Their children and grandchildren moved to Muncie, Indianapolis, TerreHaute and Chicago. I have never heard reference to any relatives left behind in Illinois, but I can't believe my ggf's living in Bunker Hill was coincidental. Thanks for your reply [email protected] wrote: My ggrandfather, John Handley, farmed and died in Bunker Hill 1870, he is burried in Staunton, his widow and children attended the Catholic Church there. Do you have Hanley/Handley connections in So. IL? Katharine Enslow Owens ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== Search USGenWeb including the archives, census' which are done, etc.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm Surname Helper Search Engine: http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html Tom Hanley, Prof. of Geology Department of Chemistry and Geology, C.S.U. 4225 University Ave., Columbus, GA 31907-5645 VOX: (706) 568-2075; FAX: (706) 569-3133 See our Departmental home page http://chemgeo.colstate.edu/ Links to the ACRES projects and to Panama photos may be found at: http://chemgeo.ColState.edu/th_hp.htm --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games

My ggrandfather, John Handley, farmed and died in Bunker Hill 1870, he is burried in Staunton, his widow and children attended the Catholic Church there. Do you have Hanley/Handley connections in So. IL? Katharine Enslow Owens

thank you Debbie! ----- Original Message ----- From: Debbi Geer <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] MO Birth > Births are usually filed in the county or independent > city of birth. > > Please note that St. Louis city and St. Louis county > have had a difference of opinion as to government > reporting lines throughout history. At one time St. > Louis city was part of the county. Then they decided > that they didn't want to report directly to the county > but to the state. So they split their relationship. > Then the city decided it had made a wrong move so it > went back under the county control. Then again the > city leaders decided they wanted to be separated from > the county and the split was made once more which is > still true today. > > Therefore, St. Louis city is not in St. Louis county. > St. Louis city is an independent city which reports > directly to the State of Missouri. A lot of > researchers will record the following which is an > error - > > St. Louis, St. Louis, Missouri > > I put in my personal records when recording the city - > > St. Louis, City, Missouri > > This way I know the difference. > > St. Louis city records are at the vital records office > on Grand Avenue, about a block from Powell Symphony > Hall and Fox Theatre. > > St. Louis county records are at the health department > in Clayton in a building away from the main government > buildings in downtown Clayton. > > > Debbi Geer > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Visit the Madison County ILGenWeb home page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmadiso/index.htm >