Hello, I'm brand new to researching Illinois. My great uncle William Wieneke married Mary Niemann on August 15, 1873 in Madison County. I am writing for a copy of the marriage certificate. Does anyone know the amount of the copy fee so I can include it in my request? Thank you. Elsie West Hurley, NY

Hello List, There have been some questions lately about periods of disease. I was unable to answer either question however, I do have a list that came through one of the other lists I belong to a couple of years ago. I am posting it in hopes that it may help someone. Jill Periods of Disease Year(s) / Region, Area, City or State / Disease 1657 / Boston / Measles 1687 / Boston / Measles 1690 / New York / Yellow Fever 1713 / Boston / Measles 1729 / Boston / Measles 1732-1733 / Worldwide / Influenza 1738 / South Carolina / Smallpox 1739-1740 / Boston / Measles 1747 / Connecticut, New York, Pennsylvania, South Carolina / Smallpox 1759 / North America / Measles 1761 / North America and West Indies / Influenza 1772 / North America / Measles 1775 / North America (especially in North East) / Unknown 1775-1776 / Worldwide / Influenza 1783 / Dover, Delaware (was extremely fatal) / Bilious Disorder 1788 / Philadelphia and New York / Measles 1793 / Vermont / (a "putrid" fever) and Influenza 1793 / Virginia (killed 500 in 5 counties in 4 weeks) / Influenza 1793 / Philadelphia / Yellow Fever 1793 / Harrisburg, PA (many unexplained deaths) / Unknown 1793 / Middletown, Pennsylvania (many mysterious deaths) / Unknown 1794 / Philadelphia, Pennsylvania / Yellow Fever 1796-1797 / Philadelphia, Pennsylvania / Yellow Fever 1798 / Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (one of the worst) / Yellow Fever 1803 / New York / Yellow Fever 1820-1823 / Nationwide (started at Schuylkill River & spread) / "Fever" 1831-1832 / Nationwide (brought in by English Immigrants) / Asiatic Cholera 1832 / New York and other major cities / Cholera 1833 / Columbus, Ohio / Cholera 1833-34 / Kentucky / Cholera 1834 / New York City, New York / Cholera 1837 / Philadelphia / Typhus 1841 / Nationwide (especially severe in the South) / Yellow Fever 1847 / New Orleans / Yellow Fever 1847-1848 / Worldwide / Influenza 1848-1849 / North America / Cholera 1849 / New York / Cholera 1850 / Nationwide / Yellow Fever 1850-1851 / North America / Influenza 1851 / Coles County, Illinois, The Great Plains, and Missouri / Cholera 1852 / Nationwide (New Orleans 8,000 died that summer) / Yellow Fever 1855 / Nationwide / Yellow Fever 1857-1859 / Worldwide (one of the largest epidemics) / Influenza 1860-1861 / Pennsylvania / Smallpox 1865-1873 / Philadelphia, New York, Boston, New Orleans, Baltimore, Memphis, Washington DC / A series of recurring epidemics of Smallpox, Cholera, Typhus, Typhoid, Scarlet Fever, Yellow Fever, and Influenza 1873-1875 / North America & Europe / Influenza 1878 / New Orleans (last great epidemic) / Yellow Fever 1885 / Plymouth, Pennsylvania / Typhoid 1886 / Jacksonville, Florida / Yellow Fever 1918 / Worldwide (high point year) more people were hospitalized in WWI from this epidemic than wounds. US Army training camps became death camps, with 80% death rate in some camps. / Influenza or Spanish Flu

I had two ancestors to die in St. Louis of typhoid as children in 1888 and 1892. Do you know the cause of death? Erven Thoma http://thoma.ws

Trying to find a county for McDonough IL Thanks for your time

Have been hunting for GG-grandparents from Bethenhouser Froeing Reich Balin, Germany, they settled in Highland in 1847. Have found out a lot about 'Germany' in that era. Look online for a map of Prussia or Germany for the time you are talking about. There are several good ones. I have found out that the place I was looking for probably doesn't exist as named, but that the potato famine in 1846-47 was probably why a lot of people emigrated then......Loretta Harris [email protected] wrote: > Good discussion start. There are Bieserfeldt from west of Hamburg. There > are Borchward(t)s from Mecklenburg, east of Hamburg, and Burchhardt/wardt, > etc. from Baden and Wurrtemberg, etc. I am SURE there were family members > who followed up others here before them. Wish I knew where some of that old > correspondence might be; there has to be some! > > Cheers, Don Dickason from New Jersey. > > In a message dated 03/21/02 7:12:34 PM, > [email protected] writes: > > << Snipped . . .My Solter family came to Madison County from Prussia in 1856. > > Snipped . . .Is there a particular area in Germany which is heavily > > represented in Madison County? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Phyllis, > > I've decided to take a stab at these questions, but I may stir up > > more disagreement than concensus. > > 1) Remember that Prussia in 1871 was a much larger place than in 1856, than > > in 1826. There is no significance in my choice of dates; I'm just saying > > there was a lot of "annexation" going on. You probably already knew that. > > 2) This is over-generalized, BUT . . . The Granite City area of Mad Co has > > a lot of Eastern European german-speakers, from places like Hungary, western > > Czechoslovakia, Poland, Romania, and eastern areas of present-day Germany. > > Sort of the "Iron Curtain" countries. BUT, there are always exceptions . . > > . There are also a good number of Italians in Collinsville, and a good > > number of Northwestern Germans in Belleville (St. Clair Co). > > 3) So far, all of my ancestors from Eastern Mad Co (around Highland, > > Saline/Grantfork and into Bond and Clinton Counties) have come from > > Switzerland, Baden-Wuerttemberg (SW Germany), or Lorraine, with one from > > Luxembourg. You can imagine on a map of Europe how that's NOT really a very > > big area. But there are always exceptions . . . > > All that being said, I guarantee that EVERY State in Germany has at least > > some representation, probably every county. I would not narrow MY search > > based on any of this . . . My Grandma would say "Machts nichts", or "This > > amounts to nothing." > > Let the comments begin? > > Larry Wernle > > [email protected] > > >> > > ================================ > Don Dickason > Searching for family names: > Dickason, Hamilton, Cadwal(l)ader, Wisely, > Steinberg, Borchward(t), Biesterfeld(t), Blair > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Passenger Lists on the internet search: > http://www.google.com/search?q=Passenger+Lists&btnG=Google+Search

I do not find any evidence of any big plague in Madison County around that time period. I had many relatives there at that time, but the only death was an 86 year old one year later. Sorry.

Would someone have the address for City Cemetery in Madison Co.? Thanks, Marian

Hi, I was wondering if someone could do an 1850 Census look-up for me. I have already gone through the Ancestry.com Census for Madison County, IL. But there are pages missing out of the the Township 6 Range 10. You get to page 4 and it changes to Township 6 Range 9, which is a whole other area. After about 18 pages it switches back to Township 6 Range 10. I thought if I went through the whole census, maybe some other township would filp into those missing 18 pages, but it didn't. I guess the 1850 Census is still have technical difficulity. So, what I need looked up is Township 6 Range 10, Godfrey Township, or the North Alton Area. I am looking for this family: Head of family: Unknown Camp about 40 years old Wife: Mary or Laura about 40 years old Sons: John Camp born between 1840-1845 about 8 years old Henry Camp born between 1840-1846 about 6 years old Daughter: Mary Camp Born 1849-1850 about 1 years old According to family information, and a very old letter, written by one of Mary (Camp) Beleger's daughter, Anna.......Mary Camp was born in Alton, IL on December 25, 1849, but I have found them in the 1860 Census and 1870 Census in the Godfrey township. So, I don't know if after the death of Father that the Mother Mary Laura Camp moved to the Godfrey area, or if that is where they really were at the time of my Mary (Camp) Belger's Birth. Sometimes family information, even old passed down stuff can be wrong. If someone does find the information I am looking for, could you please list everyone in the family, page number, dwelling no. and line number. So, when Ancestry.com finally gets there technical problems taken care of, I will be able to find. Thankyou so much for your help. Sincerely, Cathi Gross [email protected] Surnames: Belger, Camp, Fletcher, Phelps, Kalb, Stanley, Tufts, Fergusion, Van Nattan, Bewley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] City Cemetery lookup-BUCKSHOT Would someone have the address for City Cemetery in Madison Co.? Thanks, Marian ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== To post a message so everyone on ILMADISO-L or ILMADISO-D receives it, send the message to: [email protected] It will then be sent on to everyone in both ILMADISO-L or ILMADISO-D.

If you have the death certs or obits, please ignore this msg. I don't see an epidemic for that time period in this list: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~hornbeck/disease.htm If you have a full name and date and a place of death, the IL Historical Library will search old newspapers (out of staters - $10 fee) for you or you can order the microfilms from the IL Historical Library thru your local public library on interlibrary loan. http://www.state.il.us/hpa/lib/default.htm http://www.state.il.us/hpa/lib/default.htm#Newspapers http://www.state.il.us/hpa/lib/ishlgen.htm#Newspaper%20Search%20Policy http://www.state.il.us/hpa/lib/default.htm#Interlibrary The old newspapers available in libraries or by research at the IL State Historical Library mentioned above are being catalogued online (see what dates are available for each area/town): Click on **NEW**INP Newspaper Database http://www.library.uiuc.edu/techserv/inp/webpages/main.htm then In the form on this page, enter Madison for the county and Illinois for the state and hit SUBMIT http://www.library.uiuc.edu/techserv/inp/mergeddatabase/search_form.asp If there are death certs for your ancestors for 1885, then I just found a cheap way to get a death cert: Enter Madison here: http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/genealogy/iradsrch.html Here is the research policy here (I would call and check the particulars): http://cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/irad/refpol.html http://cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/irad/iradaddr.html#SIU {The above is IRAD - under the auspices of the IL State Archives - IRAD (Illinois Regional Archives Depository) holds local records at regional universities. IRAD for Madison is Southern Illinois University at Carbondale. I would call. But you can visit the library at SIU and they will get the films or old records out for you to view.} They are cheap! You can find those old newspaper films PROBABLY in a local library near the death of the person. Say the person died in Alton, you would probably find the newspaper film for that period in the local Alton Public Library. 1885 - you have a very good chance of finding an obit in an old newspaper. A place search here for Madison Illinois: http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchcatalog.asp You can order any of these films at your local Latter Day Saints History Center and view them at the church. about $3.75 a film which keeps them at the church for you to view for a few weeks when they are open. Under Vital Records for Madison, the LDS has 21 films on Madison Births, marriages, deaths, 1813-1916 In short, you need to work your way to a death certificate or an obit for your ancestors which will, hopefully, determine what happened to them. Good luck. At 09:12 PM 3/21/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I asked this question before and got NO responses, pro or con. So >will try >again. Has anyone heard of a particular epidemic or plague in >Madison County >area in 1885? We had three ancestors in one family all die July - >Nov 1885 >in or near Venice. > >Thanx > >================================ >Don Dickason >Searching for family names: >Dickason, Hamilton, Cadwal(l)ader, Wisely, >Steinberg, Borchward(t), Biesterfeld(t), Blair > > >==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== >Visit the Madison County ILGenWeb home page! >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmadiso/index.htm

don't know if it was 1885 or not but there was cholera epidemic in that area

Looking for information on a cemetery located in the woods in section 31, Alhambra township. It is located on the east side of route 4 in the woods just south of silver creek. It was supposedly called the Marine Baptist Church cemetary. Is there an inventory available? Don Piper

Have you tried writing the cemetery itself ? I have had wonderful results with this...ask for a map and copy of the plot records...you might just find more than you imagined if its a family plot.... GOOD LUCK and Happy Hunting....

I asked this question before and got NO responses, pro or con. So will try again. Has anyone heard of a particular epidemic or plague in Madison County area in 1885? We had three ancestors in one family all die July - Nov 1885 in or near Venice. Thanx ================================ Don Dickason Searching for family names: Dickason, Hamilton, Cadwal(l)ader, Wisely, Steinberg, Borchward(t), Biesterfeld(t), Blair

Good discussion start. There are Bieserfeldt from west of Hamburg. There are Borchward(t)s from Mecklenburg, east of Hamburg, and Burchhardt/wardt, etc. from Baden and Wurrtemberg, etc. I am SURE there were family members who followed up others here before them. Wish I knew where some of that old correspondence might be; there has to be some! Cheers, Don Dickason from New Jersey. In a message dated 03/21/02 7:12:34 PM, [email protected] writes: << Snipped . . .My Solter family came to Madison County from Prussia in 1856. Snipped . . .Is there a particular area in Germany which is heavily represented in Madison County? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Phyllis, I've decided to take a stab at these questions, but I may stir up more disagreement than concensus. 1) Remember that Prussia in 1871 was a much larger place than in 1856, than in 1826. There is no significance in my choice of dates; I'm just saying there was a lot of "annexation" going on. You probably already knew that. 2) This is over-generalized, BUT . . . The Granite City area of Mad Co has a lot of Eastern European german-speakers, from places like Hungary, western Czechoslovakia, Poland, Romania, and eastern areas of present-day Germany. Sort of the "Iron Curtain" countries. BUT, there are always exceptions . . . There are also a good number of Italians in Collinsville, and a good number of Northwestern Germans in Belleville (St. Clair Co). 3) So far, all of my ancestors from Eastern Mad Co (around Highland, Saline/Grantfork and into Bond and Clinton Counties) have come from Switzerland, Baden-Wuerttemberg (SW Germany), or Lorraine, with one from Luxembourg. You can imagine on a map of Europe how that's NOT really a very big area. But there are always exceptions . . . All that being said, I guarantee that EVERY State in Germany has at least some representation, probably every county. I would not narrow MY search based on any of this . . . My Grandma would say "Machts nichts", or "This amounts to nothing." Let the comments begin? Larry Wernle [email protected] >> ================================ Don Dickason Searching for family names: Dickason, Hamilton, Cadwal(l)ader, Wisely, Steinberg, Borchward(t), Biesterfeld(t), Blair

Snipped . . .My Solter family came to Madison County from Prussia in 1856. Snipped . . .Is there a particular area in Germany which is heavily represented in Madison County? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Phyllis, I've decided to take a stab at these questions, but I may stir up more disagreement than concensus. 1) Remember that Prussia in 1871 was a much larger place than in 1856, than in 1826. There is no significance in my choice of dates; I'm just saying there was a lot of "annexation" going on. You probably already knew that. 2) This is over-generalized, BUT . . . The Granite City area of Mad Co has a lot of Eastern European german-speakers, from places like Hungary, western Czechoslovakia, Poland, Romania, and eastern areas of present-day Germany. Sort of the "Iron Curtain" countries. BUT, there are always exceptions . . . There are also a good number of Italians in Collinsville, and a good number of Northwestern Germans in Belleville (St. Clair Co). 3) So far, all of my ancestors from Eastern Mad Co (around Highland, Saline/Grantfork and into Bond and Clinton Counties) have come from Switzerland, Baden-Wuerttemberg (SW Germany), or Lorraine, with one from Luxembourg. You can imagine on a map of Europe how that's NOT really a very big area. But there are always exceptions . . . All that being said, I guarantee that EVERY State in Germany has at least some representation, probably every county. I would not narrow MY search based on any of this . . . My Grandma would say "Machts nichts", or "This amounts to nothing." Let the comments begin? Larry Wernle [email protected]

Please note that I will be using the following address starting immediately: [email protected] The old address will not be in use any longer. It was [email protected] Thanks you, Donna Fulton Davis

Could someone on this list help me with a look up for William John BUCKSHOT?He was buried at City Ceme. in Nov. 1920. I would like to have a copy of any cemetery record on him and would like to know if there are any family members buried in his plot with him and any information on them as well. I would also be interested in receiving a picture of the tomb stone if it is possible for someone to do that for me. I am more then willing to pay whatever costs are involved. thank you in advance, Marian Buckshot Dunston

Marsha, in researching my Madison/Macoupin Co families, the German side was baptised, married, and buried through St. Paul United Church of Christ in Staunton, Macoupin Co., IL, just across the county line. It's located at 225 South Laurel St., Staunton, IL 62088-0238. The phone number is (618) 635-2386 and the pastor is Rev. Gerald D. Ireland. I haven't contacted them yet, so please let me know how you make out. I hope this is the one you need! Penny Michaels In a message dated 3/21/02 2:04:58 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > X-Message: #2 > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:59:33 -0800 (PST) > From: Marsha Ensminger <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] Looking for research resources - German > immigration > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by lists5.rootsweb.com > id g2LK0ex21741 > > An elderly relative sent me copies of (German) records from "St. Paul's > Church". It's probably a UCC now, possibly in the Wood River area.=20 > Could anybody positively identify the church & send an address so I > could contact them directly? > Thanks. >

Hello Group, My name is Laurie Skillern and I am researching my family in Madison County, Illinois. In 1900 my Great-great-grandmother, Amelia FRENCH WHITNEY, was living with her daughter Sarah Anna WHITNEY DONALDSON HALL (wife of Henderson HALL) in Edwardsville Twp. I believe Amelia might have died in Madison County but have been unable to find out when. There is a marriage in Alton between James Elmer WHITNEY and Nora Dell HATHAWAY on 3 May 1894. James Elmer is possibly the son of Amelia. I am requesting a copy of the marriage certificate but in the mean time was wondering if anyone had more information on James or Nora. Other names that I have linked to Madison County are Elizabeth Ann LINDER WHITNEY, Emmett Leroy WHITNEY, and Philip Lloyd WHITNEY. Thank you in advance for any information provided. Sincerely, Laurie

Here are only two churches using the "St. Paul" name that I know of in the Wood River area. St. Paul's Lutheran Church 1327 Vaughn Road Wood River IL 62095 (618) 259-0257 St. Paul United Methodist Church 10 N Center St East Alton IL 62024 (618) 259-5210 Debbi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards� http://movies.yahoo.com/