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Hi Larry, I hate to ask this but when I tried to find the following property on the server, I was unable to do so. I am not at all sure I am using the tool right. Anyway, I need to locate the following property and was wondering if you could help me. This is the property of the next generation up from the one that you helped me find. The actual will specifies the following: Hamilton county IL Real estate known as the East half of the South West Quarter of Section No Twenty Four in Township Four South of Range Six East Containing Eighty Acres. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Vicky

Hi, Golden Rule in Lenzburg. and many others....hope this helps. Karen --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness

I'm new to the list and trying to find where in Madison county my great-grandmother (Catherine Steffen) and great-grandfather (Vitus Schaefer or Schafer) came from. They were there only briefly between 1845 and 1850. They were married in 1849 and had a son Joseph Schafer on April 6, 1850. They moved shortly after his birth to Nauvoo. Does anyone have any Steffen or Schaefer relatives they are researching in Madison county? Also, does anyone know the name of a catholic church that would have been there around the mid-1850's that is still there today, particularly one in a town near the border with St. Louis Missouri ? Thanks for any clues. Cheryle Rappé

Thanks Frank, Guess that I had misunderstood what I had seen on another site that shows all the Illinois counties and how they originated. I had been looking for Adams and Adden information. Seems that the Adams who might have lived in the Staunton and Bunker Hill (which I thought might have been "more like" between Mt Olive and Walshville but was evidently wrong) area moved to Montgomery County. Oeye Adams was naturalized in 1860 in Madison County with his brother Heye Adams as a sponsor. Both changed their names to Adden sometime after 1870 when they were in Montgomery County. Nobody knows why. If anyone has any Adams/Adden info, I would be appreciative. Thanks again, Bill McCallum ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] In 1860 - NE Madison County > To Bill McC: > Bond County was the recipient of land formerly in Madison County in 1843. > The portion involved is south of the Montgomery County bootheel. Bond had > had a perpendicular western boundary since its creation and authorization in > 1816 and 1817. The 1843 change created the "bumpout" in Bond's western > boundary. Montgomery has had its bootheel since its original creation in > 1821. > Frank Sellers > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Cyndi's List of Genealogy Links-Lots of helpful links for your research. > http://www.cyndislist.com/ > >

To Bill McC: Bond County was the recipient of land formerly in Madison County in 1843. The portion involved is south of the Montgomery County bootheel. Bond had had a perpendicular western boundary since its creation and authorization in 1816 and 1817. The 1843 change created the "bumpout" in Bond's western boundary. Montgomery has had its bootheel since its original creation in 1821. Frank Sellers

Does anyone know where the MINER's worked who lived in Marissa township in 1930 ? I was wondering what was the closest MINE to work in for tht local . thanks sheri

For those interested, the metal PIASA BIRD once viewed on the riverfront in Alton IL is now the property of Southwest High School in the Brighton IL area.

OOPS! I made a small error on my previous E-mail. The subject property crossed present-day Rte 3, not Hwy. 100.

Anyone please, I have a distant relative who was naturalized in 1860 in Madison County. I am trying to find the Township that he would be found within the 1860 census. Seems, at that time, a good portion of the extreme NE corner of Madison County was ......what is today..... the Southwest "Boot Heel" of Montgomery County. Seems Montgomery County must have acquired a small portion of Madison County sometime after 1860. I think that my ancestors lived on a farm between..... what is today.... Mt Olive and Walshville. Would someone please educate me as to which Madison County Township that would have been in the 1860 census? Thanks Bill McCallum [email protected] Bill and Mary McCallum [email protected]

Godfrey town and township are the same. Godfrey was incorporated about eight years ago and boundaries were set the same as township lines. TOM SAXTON

Vicky Hunt wrote: > I am looking for the following location and haven't a clue as to where to go > to find it: > SESW, SWSE and the SESE of Sec 19, Twp 6 and Range 10. Any help would sure > be appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------- Vicky, I believe that "Piasa" is NOT the better clue to chase. When you say "SESW, SWSE and the SESE of Sec 19, Twp 6 and Range 10," you have part of the legal description of a specific property. I believe you're talking about three 40-acre plats in a rectangle, 1/4 mile by 3/4 mile in shape. Working backwards is best. Range 10 West, Township 6 North will tell you the specific township (by name). Section 19 is a specific 640 acres within that township. Then the SE, SW, etc, specify smaller acreages within the 640. If my assumptions are correct, then I should be able to get you right down to the street names. What is the source of your info? Can you re-check your transcription? Only as examples, it could look like this: NENW 8/ 3N 4W 3rd Meridian 40 ac Clinton Co. Or like this: T3N, R4W, 3rd PM, 10 ac section 1, 120 acres section 2. Or like this: SE1/2 NE1/4 Sec 6 T1N R8W 3rd Meridian 95.78 ac St. Clair Co, IL, USA. This 3rd way is most informative. IF all of my assumptions are correct, the acreage is on the attached link: http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.asp?S=14&T=2&X=232&Y=1348&Z=15& W=2 On the left edge, you will see R 10 W in red letters. The red box that surrounds it MAY BE your section 19. It's definitely A section 19; I'm not 100% sure it yours. HOWEVER, Piasa Creek runs right thru it! The 120 acres would be along the bottom edge of section 19, roughly from the creek across Hwy. 100 to the right side of the red box. Does any of this make sense? Jeez, I love engineering. Does anyone know offhand what township (name) Godfrey is in? Larry Wernle O'Fallon, IL [email protected]

Lisa, I am looking for my GGG grandparents, their property, in hopes that they may have been buried there. We have probate records that indicate this is a possiblity. They were William Green and Mary Polly Trammell Green died in 1855-1856. Thanks so much to everyone for helping with this! It sure is exciting. Vicky Hunt

Vicky, I goofed, although it has been fun reminising about the Piasa Bird, pronounced pie-saw, the town of Piasa, Ill is located just east of the intersection of Highway 16 and Rt. 57 in Macoupin County, which is east of Jerseyville, it's been thirty-one years since I have been there. Back then we didn't have a problem seeing the Bird, my Grandfather had connections I guess. Was sorry to hear that the original Piasa Bird is gone, I am currently trying to preserve the family farm here in Maryland, it was one of the properties in the area that the Sixth Corps camped on before going into Battle in Gettysburg. For many it was the last bastion of rest and water and food before the Final Rest. I have 13 springs on the property of the best tasteing water in the area. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:14 PM Subject: [ILMADISO-L] Question about Piasa, IL > Was wondering if anyone can tell me if there was a Piasa, IL in Madison > county around the year of 1855-1856. Also would like to know if anyone knows > how I can get a copy of a township map for that time period? > > I am looking for the following location and haven't a clue as to where to go > to find it: > SESW, SWSE and the SESE of Sec 19, Twp 6 and Range 10. Any help would sure > be appreciated. > > Thanking you in advance. > Vicky Hunt > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Search Madison County maillist archives; enter the word ilmadiso here: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ILMADISO > Find the names of other maillists to search: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > >

As you go toward Grafton from Alton, it was about a mile or two (I'm not good at distance) on the right-hand side. You could easily park your car or bike and walk over the railroad tracks, cross the fence and there it was. But, don't get caught. It was on Olin Corporation private property and they would chase you. The pool was actually nice swimming. You could climb up on the bluffs and dive in. Of course, at that time we all thought it was bottomless. You don't want to see it now; you would be disappointed. Sharlene I ----- Original Message ----- From: Czerniak, James, SSG, 217EIS, ISE <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:22 AM Subject: RE: [ILMADISO-L] Question about Piasa, IL > Just curious, Where is this "bottom less" pit located? Is it on or near the > river road? > > Thanks, > > Jim > > I think you are referring to Lover's Leap that is located on the Mississippi > River. Sadly the Piasa Bird is no longer at the location you describe, but > on a bluff slightly down river before you get into Alton. The original was > taken down when the river road was built going from Alton to Grafton, > Illinois. The Piasa Bird was then painted on a bluff, then taken off and a > metal bird constructed. It came down and was down quite a few years. About > five years ago, a new Piasa Bird was painted on another bluff by citizens of > Alton. One of those deals where you could pay $10.00, go up and paint on > the bird. Quite a success really. > > Many years ago, kids would sneak over the fence that ran along the railroad > track and swim in this bottomless pit called "Blue Pool" Then the powers > that be drained the "bottomless pit". Many Altonians were waiting to see > where (if ever) they found the bottom. Well, they did, and it wasn't very > far down. There were none of the mysterious items we had been told all our > lives would be at the bottom, such as railroad cars and who knows what else. > It is now a shallow dry hole on private land. > > The history of the Piasa Bird and Lover's Leap is quite a tale of folklore > that the people of Alton have enjoyed telling and retelling for many years. > > Sharlene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donna & Bob <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] Question about Piasa, IL > > > > Vicky, > > Piasa is part of Alton on the Mississippi, There is a large Indian rock > > painting of a bird there over three bottomless (they have never been able > to > > get sounding of the bottoms anyway) sinkholes. It is known as none other > > than the Piasa Bird. Hope that helps you some. > > Robert > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:14 PM > > Subject: [ILMADISO-L] Question about Piasa, IL > > > > > > > Was wondering if anyone can tell me if there was a Piasa, IL in Madison > > > county around the year of 1855-1856. Also would like to know if anyone > > knows > > > how I can get a copy of a township map for that time period? > > > > > > I am looking for the following location and haven't a clue as to where > to > > go > > > to find it: > > > SESW, SWSE and the SESE of Sec 19, Twp 6 and Range 10. Any help would > > sure > > > be appreciated. > > > > > > Thanking you in advance. > > > Vicky Hunt > > > > > > > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > > > Search Madison County maillist archives; enter the word ilmadiso here: > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ILMADISO > > > Find the names of other maillists to search: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > > LDS Family Search Engine: > > http://www.familysearch.org/ > > Illinois State Archives Databases including pre 1900 IL marriages and > Civil War soldiers: > > http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html > > > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Keep an eye on this census site because more census' are going up every day. > http://www.us-census.org/usgwcens/ > and this one: http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/states.htm > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Passenger Lists on the internet search: > http://www.google.com/search?q=Passenger+Lists&btnG=Google+Search >

Vicky, Piasa, Illinois is not in Madison County. It is in Macoupin County, Illinois. It's a very small town. It's north east of Alton, Illinois. Who are you looking for? Lisa

Dear Listers, I have been searching for my Great great grandparents, William D. and Amelia Whitney's death records in Fayette County, IL. but it is possible that they had moved then died in Madison County, IL. William, Amelia, daughter Sarah and son James were living in Fayette County in 1880. Amelia was living in Madison County in 1900 with her son in law and daughter, Henderson and Sarah Hall. William's children, Henry and David and their families were living in East St. Louis, St. Clair County, IL in 1880 and 1900. William would have died between the taking of the 1880 and 1900 censuses. Amelia sometime after the 1900 census. I was planning a research trip to IL but circumstances will not allow the trip at this time. I can offer to do some Arkansas or census research in exchange for someone looking this up for me. Sincerely, Laurie Skillern

I think you are referring to Lover's Leap that is located on the Mississippi River. Sadly the Piasa Bird is no longer at the location you describe, but on a bluff slightly down river before you get into Alton. The original was taken down when the river road was built going from Alton to Grafton, Illinois. The Piasa Bird was then painted on a bluff, then taken off and a metal bird constructed. It came down and was down quite a few years. About five years ago, a new Piasa Bird was painted on another bluff by citizens of Alton. One of those deals where you could pay $10.00, go up and paint on the bird. Quite a success really. Many years ago, kids would sneak over the fence that ran along the railroad track and swim in this bottomless pit called "Blue Pool" Then the powers that be drained the "bottomless pit". Many Altonians were waiting to see where (if ever) they found the bottom. Well, they did, and it wasn't very far down. There were none of the mysterious items we had been told all our lives would be at the bottom, such as railroad cars and who knows what else. It is now a shallow dry hole on private land. The history of the Piasa Bird and Lover's Leap is quite a tale of folklore that the people of Alton have enjoyed telling and retelling for many years. Sharlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna & Bob <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] Question about Piasa, IL > Vicky, > Piasa is part of Alton on the Mississippi, There is a large Indian rock > painting of a bird there over three bottomless (they have never been able to > get sounding of the bottoms anyway) sinkholes. It is known as none other > than the Piasa Bird. Hope that helps you some. > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:14 PM > Subject: [ILMADISO-L] Question about Piasa, IL > > > > Was wondering if anyone can tell me if there was a Piasa, IL in Madison > > county around the year of 1855-1856. Also would like to know if anyone > knows > > how I can get a copy of a township map for that time period? > > > > I am looking for the following location and haven't a clue as to where to > go > > to find it: > > SESW, SWSE and the SESE of Sec 19, Twp 6 and Range 10. Any help would > sure > > be appreciated. > > > > Thanking you in advance. > > Vicky Hunt > > > > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > > Search Madison County maillist archives; enter the word ilmadiso here: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ILMADISO > > Find the names of other maillists to search: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > LDS Family Search Engine: > http://www.familysearch.org/ > Illinois State Archives Databases including pre 1900 IL marriages and Civil War soldiers: > http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html >

Just curious, Where is this "bottom less" pit located? Is it on or near the river road? Thanks, Jim I think you are referring to Lover's Leap that is located on the Mississippi River. Sadly the Piasa Bird is no longer at the location you describe, but on a bluff slightly down river before you get into Alton. The original was taken down when the river road was built going from Alton to Grafton, Illinois. The Piasa Bird was then painted on a bluff, then taken off and a metal bird constructed. It came down and was down quite a few years. About five years ago, a new Piasa Bird was painted on another bluff by citizens of Alton. One of those deals where you could pay $10.00, go up and paint on the bird. Quite a success really. Many years ago, kids would sneak over the fence that ran along the railroad track and swim in this bottomless pit called "Blue Pool" Then the powers that be drained the "bottomless pit". Many Altonians were waiting to see where (if ever) they found the bottom. Well, they did, and it wasn't very far down. There were none of the mysterious items we had been told all our lives would be at the bottom, such as railroad cars and who knows what else. It is now a shallow dry hole on private land. The history of the Piasa Bird and Lover's Leap is quite a tale of folklore that the people of Alton have enjoyed telling and retelling for many years. Sharlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna & Bob <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] Question about Piasa, IL > Vicky, > Piasa is part of Alton on the Mississippi, There is a large Indian rock > painting of a bird there over three bottomless (they have never been able to > get sounding of the bottoms anyway) sinkholes. It is known as none other > than the Piasa Bird. Hope that helps you some. > Robert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:14 PM > Subject: [ILMADISO-L] Question about Piasa, IL > > > > Was wondering if anyone can tell me if there was a Piasa, IL in Madison > > county around the year of 1855-1856. Also would like to know if anyone > knows > > how I can get a copy of a township map for that time period? > > > > I am looking for the following location and haven't a clue as to where to > go > > to find it: > > SESW, SWSE and the SESE of Sec 19, Twp 6 and Range 10. Any help would > sure > > be appreciated. > > > > Thanking you in advance. > > Vicky Hunt > > > > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > > Search Madison County maillist archives; enter the word ilmadiso here: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ILMADISO > > Find the names of other maillists to search: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > LDS Family Search Engine: > http://www.familysearch.org/ > Illinois State Archives Databases including pre 1900 IL marriages and Civil War soldiers: > http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== Keep an eye on this census site because more census' are going up every day. http://www.us-census.org/usgwcens/ and this one: http://www.rootsweb.com/~census/states.htm