Marie, Have you gotten on the Illinois Archives site? I will send you the address if you need it. But if you just put Illinois Archives death or whatever, the site comes up. Barbara Heflin is a genius at finding things, and if she can't help you she will guide you in the right direction. She is such a nice, pleasant person. You will like her. Only cemetery book of which I am aware is the New Douglas and it is currently being revised. Dewey

I have been trying to find the date of death (and birth) of my Great Great Grandfather Louis Schiele. He lived in St. Jacob, in fact he did the first survey of the town. He died sometime between late 1868 and the census of 1870 as he is not shown with his wife (Catherine) and two children and in the deed index the guardian for his heirs is shown selling property in 1871. I have found that there are several cemetery lists for Madison County but I have no idea if he is in any of them. If anyone has them and could let me know if they find him, I would be happy to purchase the volume that gives that information. I have tried searching the old newspapers on line but haven't found any obituary either. Thanks, Marie

Fellow List Members: The follow article was in the latest RICHARD EASTMAN NEWSLETTER, which Eastman has granted me permission to forward.) All genealogists should be made aware of this mischief in Congress and be concerned of restrictive content of HB3261. The SPONSOR is HOWARD COBLE (NC) along with 9 other culprits On 3/11/04 placed on Union Calendar #252 Roland Bauer St. Louis ============================================================== - Proposed Legislation Would Wreak Havoc for Genealogists A new bill before the U.S. Congress proposes to overturn one of the most fundamental concepts of the present copyright laws. If passed, facts would become copyrighted for the first time in U.S. history. The Database and Collections of Information Misappropriation Act (HR3261) would make it a crime for anyone to copy and redistribute a substantial portion of data collected by commercial database companies and list publishers. At first, that sounds like a good idea. However, a bit more thought shows that nobody would be able to republish stock quotes, historical health data, sports scores, or voter lists. In fact, a lot of genealogy information could not be republished. If passed, Goggle and all the other search engines would be crippled, probably driven out of business. These are online databases that collect information, or facts, from other online sites so that the user can quickly find the information they seek. If Goggle and the others are not allowed to collect facts that are now copyrighted, how will they be able to index the Web for you? Art Brodsky, spokesman for public advocacy group Public Knowledge, says the bill would let anyone drop a fact into a database or a collection of materials and claim monopoly rights to it. This would contradict the core principle of the Copyright Act, which states that mere information and ideas cannot be protected works. Let's say that a commercial genealogy service such as Ancestry.com or OneGreatFamily.com publishes the fact that your great-great-grandparents had a child named John. Once that "fact" has been published by any commercial service, that original publisher would hold the copyright on the fact, and no one else would be allowed to publish it again. The Family History Library, the New England Historic Genealogical Society, Genealogical Publishing Company, and others would be prohibited from publishing that information again in any of their online or printed works. In fact, private individuals would similarly be barred from publishing the information in their own derivative works. If a commercial site publishes a fact about your ancestors, you would not be able to place that fact on your own Web site or in any book or report that you give to others. The language in this proposed legislation contradicts the core principle of the present copyright acts, which state that mere information and ideas cannot be protected works. You can read more about this proposed legislation in Wired News at http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,62500,00.html What Do You Think? Comments and discussion are available on this newsletter's Discussion Board at: http://www.eogn.com/discussionboard

Thank you to all who so wonderfully answered my plea for help with the 1900 census index. This is the FIRST census that has all the siblings together that I have so far. You all are so great!!!! So many fantastic people responded. Thank you all so very much!!! Donna & Robert Gill

From the 1910 census (heritage quest) Macoupin County Illinois, 2-WD Carlinville, family #142 John W. Biggs 12/1848, 51, IL/OH/OH, married 3 times, day laborer Sadie 5/1849, 41, married 3 times, mother of 6, 5 living, IL/KY/VA Armstrong is crossed thru beside the name of Lois Lois 10/1877, IL/IL/IL, servant, step daughter Leone 10/1882, MO/IL/IL, servant, step daughter Don 11/1884, MO/IL/IL, school, step son Paul 3/1888, MO/IL/IL, school, step son Lela 2/1890, MO/IL/IL, school, step daughter

In the 1900 Census, Macoupin County, Carlinville Township - taken June 7, 1900: John W. Biggs - 51- DOB: Dec. 1848 Sadie J. - 41 - DOB: May 1859 Children: (all listed as Armstrong and step-children) Lois - 22 - DOB: Oct. 1877 Leone - 17 - DOB: Oct. 1882 Don - 15 - DOB: Nov. 1884 Paul - 12 - DOB: Mar. 1888 Lela - 10 - DOB: Feb. 1890 * Census states that Sadie (Sarah) is mother of 6 children, 5 of whom are living. * John's parent's are listed as being born in Ohio. * Sadie's (Sarah) Father born in Kentucky, Mother born in Virginia. * Of the children, Lois is born in Illinois and the others in Missouri * John is a "day laborer" * Lois and Leone are listed as being "servant's", the other children are students. * All can read, write and speak English * The family lived on Hickory Street ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert & Donna Gill" <regill@bellatlantic.net> To: <ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 6:11 PM Subject: [ILMADISO-L] 1900 census request > I am sending this request to both the Macoupin and Madison County lists as > I'm just not sure where they were in 1900. the family has ties and has > lived, given birth, died and been buried in both counties. > > If there is someone out there with the 1900 census index that would be kind > enough to do a lookup it would be greatly appreciated. > > We are looking for on the 1900 census the family of: > John W. Biggs born about 1851 in ILL, his wife Sarah born May 16, 1860 in > Macoupin. Sarah died in Madison. > With John and Sarah SHOULD be her children from her previous marriage to > Andrew J. Armstrong. > The children are Lois Armstrong born May 14, 1878, we believe Paul E. > Armstrong born about 1889 and Lela Armstrong born February 15, 1890. I don't > know if there were other children invlolved or not. > > We have lots of the other census record information, we have the IRAD > marriage, and death information on various folks. What we are lacking is the > 1900 census that should show the children still living with their mother as > none of them got married until after 1903. However, to throw a glitch in the > works, the family was at one point in MO. I found them on the 1880 census in > Union Co., MO and Lela was born in MO in 1890. However, all of the children > were married in ILL. which is why I'm assuming they were in ILL on the 1900 > census. > Thank you for listening to my ramblings. > Donna and Robert Gill in MD > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > Difference between ILMADISO-L and ILMADISO-D: > ILMADISO-L mailing list allows you to receive every posting made to ILMADISO as a separate email. > ILMADISO-D mailing list allows you to receive several postings as a single large message. >

I am sending this request to both the Macoupin and Madison County lists as I'm just not sure where they were in 1900. the family has ties and has lived, given birth, died and been buried in both counties. If there is someone out there with the 1900 census index that would be kind enough to do a lookup it would be greatly appreciated. We are looking for on the 1900 census the family of: John W. Biggs born about 1851 in ILL, his wife Sarah born May 16, 1860 in Macoupin. Sarah died in Madison. With John and Sarah SHOULD be her children from her previous marriage to Andrew J. Armstrong. The children are Lois Armstrong born May 14, 1878, we believe Paul E. Armstrong born about 1889 and Lela Armstrong born February 15, 1890. I don't know if there were other children invlolved or not. We have lots of the other census record information, we have the IRAD marriage, and death information on various folks. What we are lacking is the 1900 census that should show the children still living with their mother as none of them got married until after 1903. However, to throw a glitch in the works, the family was at one point in MO. I found them on the 1880 census in Union Co., MO and Lela was born in MO in 1890. However, all of the children were married in ILL. which is why I'm assuming they were in ILL on the 1900 census. Thank you for listening to my ramblings. Donna and Robert Gill in MD

and don't forget Kentucky... where I just found my 3rd husband's family.... <grin> Lorraine At 09:29 AM 4/7/2004, Bob & Rosemary Emnett wrote: >Gee, > > > > I was not aware that Pike County was both in Illinois and Missouri. > >,,, > > > There is also a Pike county in Indiana. > >,,, > > > ...and in Alabama too. > >,,, > > > There is also a Pike county in Indiana. > >,,, > >and there's a Pike's Peak in Colorado, and a turnPike in ... <g> > >Oops. Sorry. > >Bob Emnett > > > > >==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== >To post a message so everyone on ILMADISO-L or ILMADISO-D receives it, >send the message to: >ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com >It will then be sent on to everyone in both ILMADISO-L or ILMADISO-D.

Hi list, I am new to this list. Can anyone do a look-up? Need Obituary for Dolly Griffin died 1922-07-21 in Alton, IL. GRIFFIN DOLLY EVA F/N UNK 2600180 1922-07-21 MADISON ALTON Thanks so much! Bonnie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/

Gee, > I was not aware that Pike County was both in Illinois and Missouri. ,,, > There is also a Pike county in Indiana. ,,, > ...and in Alabama too. ,,, > There is also a Pike county in Indiana. ,,, and there's a Pike's Peak in Colorado, and a turnPike in ... <g> Oops. Sorry. Bob Emnett

And a Pike Co, Ky -----Original Message----- From: genealogy_love [mailto:genealogy_love@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:25 PM To: ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] GERVIG There is also a Pike county in Indiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dewey Everts" <Evertshistory@webtv.net> To: <ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [ILMADISO-L] GERVIG > I was not aware that Pike County was both in Illinois and Missouri. > Learn something new every day, I guess. My Grandmother was born in Pike > County Illinois. Her folks were form Indiana. > > Dewey > > Genealogy site below: You can choose friends; you are stuck with > relatives. > http://community-2.webtv.net/Evertshistory/EVERTSCRITESafamily > http://community.webtv.net/Deweyphotos/EVERTSCRITESFAMILY > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > LDS Family Search Engine: > http://www.familysearch.org/ > Illinois State Archives Databases including pre 1900 IL marriages and Civil War soldiers: > http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== Search USGenWeb including the archives, census' which are done, etc.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm

...and in Alabama too. -----Original Message----- From: genealogy_love [mailto:genealogy_love@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 2:25 PM To: ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] GERVIG There is also a Pike county in Indiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dewey Everts" <Evertshistory@webtv.net> To: <ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [ILMADISO-L] GERVIG > I was not aware that Pike County was both in Illinois and Missouri. > Learn something new every day, I guess. My Grandmother was born in Pike > County Illinois. Her folks were form Indiana. > > Dewey > > Genealogy site below: You can choose friends; you are stuck with > relatives. > http://community-2.webtv.net/Evertshistory/EVERTSCRITESafamily > http://community.webtv.net/Deweyphotos/EVERTSCRITESFAMILY > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > LDS Family Search Engine: > http://www.familysearch.org/ > Illinois State Archives Databases including pre 1900 IL marriages and Civil War soldiers: > http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== Search USGenWeb including the archives, census' which are done, etc.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm

There is also a Pike county in Indiana. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dewey Everts" <Evertshistory@webtv.net> To: <ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:17 PM Subject: RE: [ILMADISO-L] GERVIG > I was not aware that Pike County was both in Illinois and Missouri. > Learn something new every day, I guess. My Grandmother was born in Pike > County Illinois. Her folks were form Indiana. > > Dewey > > Genealogy site below: You can choose friends; you are stuck with > relatives. > http://community-2.webtv.net/Evertshistory/EVERTSCRITESafamily > http://community.webtv.net/Deweyphotos/EVERTSCRITESFAMILY > > > ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== > LDS Family Search Engine: > http://www.familysearch.org/ > Illinois State Archives Databases including pre 1900 IL marriages and Civil War soldiers: > http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html >

Thanks so much. This really helps. Peggy -----Original Message----- From: Carrie [mailto:hetaerae@swbell.net] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:04 PM To: ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] GERVIG >Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 20:44:06 -0600 >To: ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com >From: Carrie <hetaerae@swbell.net> >Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] GERVIG > >I found the following on Ancestry.com and in the Edwardsville >Intelligencer. Looks like Mr. Gervig died in Pike County, MO, possibly in >the city of Louisiana, MO, and his estate was probated in Madison >County. The given date death here is different from what you have given, >so you'll need to verify the death date you have, or verify that the >information given here is for the correct Phillip Gervig. > >Alton, IL directory for 1890: >Name: Philip Gervig >Location 1: 306 Belle >City: Alton >State: IL >Occupation: barber >Year: 1889, 1890 >Location 2: r 512 State > >Pike County, Missouri Deaths, 1878-1911 >Name: Phillip Gervig >Age or Birth Date: #IL >Death Date: 16 Jan 1897 >Publication Date: 21 Jan 1897 > >The Pike County, MO death database doesn't give details, just names and >dates. It also lists a brother, Fred Gervig. > >Edwardsville Intelligencer, January 22, 1897 >Under Probate Proceedings before Judge William P. Earley on page 1: >Phillipe Gervig, deceased; proof of death made; last will presented; Henry >S. Baker and Fred Gervig witnesses. > >Edwardsville Intelligencer, January 29, 1897 >Under Probate Proceedings before Judge William P. Earley on page 1: >Philip Gervig, deceased; depositions of Fred Gervig, of Louisiana, >Missouri, presented; Will admitted to probate; Gertrude Gervig being named >executrix without bond, letter issued. > >The 1890 Census shows Frederick Gervig living in Louisiana, >MO. Occupation was cigar manufacturer. Born 1865 in Germany. > >In the 1920 Census, there is a Phillip M. Gervig, born circa 1889, listed >as an auditor for a railroad company in Alton, IL. Could this be a >son? The Census states that he was born in Illinois, and his father and >mother were born in France. > > >At 10:53 AM 4/2/2004 -0600, you wrote: >>I am trying to help a lady become a member of Colonial Dames and need an >>obituary or >>cemetery record for Philippe Marzolf Gervig who died June 15, 1897 at Alton, >>Madison county, Illinois. >> >>Thanks >> >>Peggy Duty >>4001 N. 22nd St. >>Waco TX 76708 >> >> >> >> >>==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== >>Search USGenWeb including the archives, census' which are done, etc.: >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm > >Carrie >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >...Then they filled, with clear, shallow water, >the whole breadth of this broad canal, and set >little whirlpools turning in the depths, >and for the first time mirrored the green banks >and distant calls of birds -- while in the sky >the starry nights of another, sweeter country >blossomed above them and would never close. >Tombs of the Hetaerae, by Rainier Maria Rilke >Translation by Stephen Mitchell Carrie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ...Then they filled, with clear, shallow water, the whole breadth of this broad canal, and set little whirlpools turning in the depths, and for the first time mirrored the green banks and distant calls of birds -- while in the sky the starry nights of another, sweeter country blossomed above them and would never close. Tombs of the Hetaerae, by Rainier Maria Rilke Translation by Stephen Mitchell ==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== Passenger Lists on the internet search: http://www.google.com/search?q=Passenger+Lists&btnG=Google+Search

I was not aware that Pike County was both in Illinois and Missouri. Learn something new every day, I guess. My Grandmother was born in Pike County Illinois. Her folks were form Indiana. Dewey Genealogy site below: You can choose friends; you are stuck with relatives. http://community-2.webtv.net/Evertshistory/EVERTSCRITESafamily http://community.webtv.net/Deweyphotos/EVERTSCRITESFAMILY

>Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 20:44:06 -0600 >To: ILMADISO-L@rootsweb.com >From: Carrie <hetaerae@swbell.net> >Subject: Re: [ILMADISO-L] GERVIG > >I found the following on Ancestry.com and in the Edwardsville >Intelligencer. Looks like Mr. Gervig died in Pike County, MO, possibly in >the city of Louisiana, MO, and his estate was probated in Madison >County. The given date death here is different from what you have given, >so you'll need to verify the death date you have, or verify that the >information given here is for the correct Phillip Gervig. > >Alton, IL directory for 1890: >Name: Philip Gervig >Location 1: 306 Belle >City: Alton >State: IL >Occupation: barber >Year: 1889, 1890 >Location 2: r 512 State > >Pike County, Missouri Deaths, 1878-1911 >Name: Phillip Gervig >Age or Birth Date: #IL >Death Date: 16 Jan 1897 >Publication Date: 21 Jan 1897 > >The Pike County, MO death database doesn't give details, just names and >dates. It also lists a brother, Fred Gervig. > >Edwardsville Intelligencer, January 22, 1897 >Under Probate Proceedings before Judge William P. Earley on page 1: >Phillipe Gervig, deceased; proof of death made; last will presented; Henry >S. Baker and Fred Gervig witnesses. > >Edwardsville Intelligencer, January 29, 1897 >Under Probate Proceedings before Judge William P. Earley on page 1: >Philip Gervig, deceased; depositions of Fred Gervig, of Louisiana, >Missouri, presented; Will admitted to probate; Gertrude Gervig being named >executrix without bond, letter issued. > >The 1890 Census shows Frederick Gervig living in Louisiana, >MO. Occupation was cigar manufacturer. Born 1865 in Germany. > >In the 1920 Census, there is a Phillip M. Gervig, born circa 1889, listed >as an auditor for a railroad company in Alton, IL. Could this be a >son? The Census states that he was born in Illinois, and his father and >mother were born in France. > > >At 10:53 AM 4/2/2004 -0600, you wrote: >>I am trying to help a lady become a member of Colonial Dames and need an >>obituary or >>cemetery record for Philippe Marzolf Gervig who died June 15, 1897 at Alton, >>Madison county, Illinois. >> >>Thanks >> >>Peggy Duty >>4001 N. 22nd St. >>Waco TX 76708 >> >> >> >> >>==== ILMADISO Mailing List ==== >>Search USGenWeb including the archives, census' which are done, etc.: >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm > >Carrie >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >...Then they filled, with clear, shallow water, >the whole breadth of this broad canal, and set >little whirlpools turning in the depths, >and for the first time mirrored the green banks >and distant calls of birds -- while in the sky >the starry nights of another, sweeter country >blossomed above them and would never close. >Tombs of the Hetaerae, by Rainier Maria Rilke >Translation by Stephen Mitchell Carrie ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ...Then they filled, with clear, shallow water, the whole breadth of this broad canal, and set little whirlpools turning in the depths, and for the first time mirrored the green banks and distant calls of birds -- while in the sky the starry nights of another, sweeter country blossomed above them and would never close. Tombs of the Hetaerae, by Rainier Maria Rilke Translation by Stephen Mitchell

I am trying to help a lady become a member of Colonial Dames and need an obituary or cemetery record for Philippe Marzolf Gervig who died June 15, 1897 at Alton, Madison county, Illinois. Thanks Peggy Duty 4001 N. 22nd St. Waco TX 76708

Hello again, First, here is a neat little tidbit from the Nashville Journal (Washington County, IL). March 1871 - Nashville Journal – FASHION NOTES Hoop skirts are growing smaller. The inevitable over-skirt still goes on. The glove muff is neither useful nor ornamental. The material this season for ladies out-doors suits is velveteen. Pearl ornaments for brides are gradually superceding diamonds. A sealskin overcoat was sold last month on Broadway fro four hundred dollars. Nilsson collars, of fine lace, worn over light ribbons, are considered beautiful. Kid gloves, of heavy textures, are worn by sensible women for the promenade. Nothing but the script style is in vogue for wedding invitations and visiting cards. Very beautiful articles in lace are now made without any ground. No net work is used. The stylish slipper for gentlemen is made of fine black cloth, with a light embroidery in gold. Chinchilla, beaver and melton overcoats are made sacque shape, and with small velvet collars. English weddings and breakfast parties find favor among our people, and will be numerous this season. Flat gold opera chains are one of the latest holiday novelties produced by jewellers. Pretty, but rather expensive. Very useful and convenient is the new invention just patented – a wire spring to hold ladies' veils to their bonnets. High-heeled boots for ladies are still the fashion, although they are made somewhat broader and have metallic tips. German lace caps are worn in the morning by young married ladies. They are jaunty, stylish, and generally becoming. "King William" overcoats have been introduced in this city and in London. They have a deep circular cape and collar. "Jennie June", who is authority on fashions, says: – "No lady will promenade or appear on the street without a trail to her dress." Jennie is right. The very latest idea of ultra-fashionable ladies is to have their boots and shoes padded at the instep, so as to give the foot, at that point, a high and graceful curve. Jewellers say that etruscan gold ornaments are more pepular this season than ever. For gentlemen's studs nothing else is allowed except for full dress, when diamond studs may be worn. Ladies' fur slippers imitate ferret, fox easel, and other small heads. The tip of the foot is the nose, (made of black satin), two enamel eyes shine out on either side and there is a pretty bow on the instep. These slippers have no heels and are lined with quilted satin.

Thank you for posting this article. My g-grandparents were living in Piatt (now Godfrey) at the time. Bob Evans

Here are a few small obituaries found in the Nashville Journal in 1871. The dates are as listed. W. C. Davis Belleville was shocked on Sunday afternoon, the 29th, to learn that Mr. W. C. Davis, an old and respectable citizen, had died suddenly at about one o'clock. He had eaten his dinner and was reclining in an easy chair when he was suddenly seized with hemorrhage and immediately expired. He had been suffering from consumption for a year or two, but had been better recently. Mr. Davis had been a resident of Belleville for forty years and had accumulated a fortune. He was sixty-two years and two months of age, and leaves a widow and numerous relatives in and around Belleville, but no children. The funeral took place on Tuesday and was largely attended, especially by the older residents of the city. - Feb. 9, 1871; Nashville Journal Samuel Remick A very sad and painful accident occurred at Trenton, this county, on Monday last. Mr. Samuel Remick, a young married man, aged about 30 years, was killed. When last seen alive he was driving a span of mules attached to a wagon. His lifeless body was afterwards found in the road about a mile south of Trenton, having marks of having been run over by a wagon. It is supposed the mules either became frightened, ran away and threw him from the wagon or that he fell. The deceased was a resident of Trenton and is a son of George W. Remick, a gentleman well known over the county. He was a very estimable young man, and his sudden and untimely death casts a gloom over the whole neighborhood. [Carlyle Union. - Feb. 9, 1871; Nashville Journal Isaac Pruitt's daughter – A daughter of Mr. Isaac Pruitt, of Bethalto, was brutally choked to death, at her home in Kansas, by her husband – one Livingstone. They were married in Edwardsville in 1864 by the Rev. E. W. West. The murderer was taken by the populace and hanged. - Jan. 26, 1871; Nashville Journal