FYI You can get print-out copies (paper) from the Deaths microfiche at IL State Archives, of all of one surname. Have done it many times! Then I pick a couple I am intersted in and send for them (with research coupon/voucher). Mary Ann At 09:05 AM 5/3/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Judy, > >Where does it say Ellen doesn't have his last name?? You might just >be seeing her maiden name written and she would still have his last >name. Very unusual during those years that she wouldn't have taken >his last name. > >Here are the Ellen's listed on the IL State Gen Soc **pre 1900** IL >Marriages CD (not all IL counties and not all IL marriages for any >county listed may be on this CD): >Sequence Name Reference Name Vol Page License County Date >SMALL, ELLEN KAPPELLEN, WILLIAM 7 3 683 MADISON 09-08-1871 >SMALL, ELLEN O STOKES, JOHN E 9 WHITE 03-12-1872 >SMALL, ELLEN W (MISS) OVERSTREET, ARCHIBALD T 5 27 4983 MACOUPIN >12-12-1865 >No CARBELON or CARBELLION surname listed. >See for more information on this CD (including list of counties and >years contained in): >ISGS PUBLICATIONS PRICE LIST >http://www.tbox.com/isgs/publications.html > >Brighton Cemetery Book: >Carbelon, Mamie B. 4yr. 1880-1884, page 90(cem book lists burials >thru 1985) > >For years after 1900 for any vital certificate, you will need to >work with the county courthouse by going to the courthouse or hire >a professional researcher to go and start checking for you. "Out >here" we don't have access to current records after 1900. > >Pro researchers: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_pros.htm > >If me, I would make a trip to the courthouse 300 miles away and ask >to go thru some death indexes, etc. Call first the County Clerk of >Macoupin County and see what is available and where you need to go >- might be in Springfield IL at the state level. County Clerk phone >number - 217-854-3214 > >One other idea and I need to get back to the census we are >proofreading and trying to get online. > >Call the archives and ask what you need to do to get a microfiche >of all one surname for years 1916 to 1947. Ben might have died >between those years. Think you can request two so might want to ask >about Carbelon (variation). Will probably need to send in $5 and >each fiche will cost 50 cents and they will deduct it from your $5 >voucher. >IL State Archives >Norton Bldg. >Springfield, IL 62756 >217-782-4682 >(If you do get fiche, you can take your fiche to a local library, >library large enough to have a fiche reader.) > >If you find your death did not occur between 1916 and 1947, check >these sites and maybe call the state for years after 1947 (I am >guessing but might give you something to head for). >VitalChek >http://www.vitalchek.com/ >VitalChek IL >http://www.vitalchek.com/stateselect.asp?state=IL >VitalChek Springfield for All >http://www.vitalchek.com/displayprovider.asp?provider=3639 > >I am copying some other people who will straighten me out if I am >on the "wrong path." > >Might read this site to get you better started on your research: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_steps.htm > >Good luck. > >Gloria > >-------------------- >Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 01:39:07 -0500 >From: "Judith L. Easley" <jleasley@mediaone.net> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) >X-Accept-Language: en >To: glofra@townsqr.com >Subject: RE: Family Search > >Gloria, > >I was not confused but amazed at the information you provided. > >Is Ellen buried in the area? Do you have any info on Ben Mosby the >barber? My grandfather's parents have been a puzzle for a long time. >All I have ever known for sure is their first names. Finding the last >name has been a problem. I even know where they were born but no last >names. I recently found an article on my grandfather that states his >parents names were Benjamin Lambert and Ellen (Small) Mosby. >However, >in the census (1900, I believe, I am doing this from memory) it states >Ellen and Benjamin being married for 25 years. How can that be if she >doesn't have his last name? They couldn't possibly allow her not to >take his name during that time period. Or am I wrong? This is >driving >me batty. Maybe one avenue is to investigate a marriage license. I >don't know any more, however, I am curious for the solution to this >puzzle. Any suggestions? Ellen also had two children by a German man >named Carbellion. These two children had his last name. Is there >anyone named Carbellion in the cemetery listings? It would be a girl >possibly named Catherine-not sure-this is from memory. > >Thank you for your time and effort. > > >Judy > >------------------------------- >Copy: >>Looks like a possibility for a misspelling in the birth index for >maybe a brother of your grandfather?? We transcribed the earliest >birth index for the net but we didn't change the original >spellings, etc. >http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/ >Mosely, Benj L. and Ellen, William, 1878, Book 1, Page 56. > >If interested, $7 to: >County Clerk >Macoupin County Courthouse >Carlinville, IL > >Births weren't required to be recorded until 1916. They did start >recording them in 1877 but maybe Dr would only get a $10 fine if he >didn't and was found out. Then many people went back, say, when >they were grown and had a delayed cert made. The above William's is >not a delayed. > >I cked Brighton Township Cem books and it doesn't show any burial >but in the Brighton Cem book, they have an article from the 1930 >Brighton News. > >It has a list from the 1880 Directory of Business Firms and >Individuals. In the list, >#60-Ben Mosby, Barber > >That is it. > >So would probably be your ggrandfather. > >June is historian for the Brighton area and runs a small Brighton >museum abt one day a week. Might write to her (send LSASE) and see >if she has anything. She also helped with another person put the >Brighton Cem book together. >June Roady Wilderman >P O Box 506 >Brighton IL 62012 > >Where was your grandfather buried? Date of death? Where died? >IL His Library has all the newspapers on microfilm and could look >for an obituary if had date. They will lookup for you $10 (out of >state), can do it yourself if at the Library. > >Obituaries available on microfilm thru interlibrary loan or >requesting a search from the IL State Historical Library > >IL Historical Library newspaper research policy - residents and >non-residents >http://www.state.il.us/hpa/lib/generes.htm#NEWSPAPER SEARCH POLICY > >Location, hours, address and phone number >http://www.state.il.us/hpa/lib/generes.htm#LOCATION AND HOURS > >If you have any IL death cert needs from 1916 to 1945, call the IL >State archives listed on the following url (217) 782-4682. At 50 >cents a copy of the death cert, a bargain. >Check here for years after 1945 (date of death) >http://vitalrec.com/il.html > >In fact, I think you can get the 1916 to 1945 death certs free (up >to 2 per request) at this email address. You need name of person >and the date of death in IL. ><secryan@ccgate.sos.state.il.us> > >I have most other Macoupin Cem books if you just could head me in a >direction. >If he was aged, might have lived with another child in another >county and buried there?? > >I will stop here. You may have all this info. Let me know if I can >further confuse you. > >Good luck. > >Gloria > >At 12:24 PM 5/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >>I am looking for my grandfather. His name was Benjamin Mosby. He >was >>born in Brighton , Il in July 1886. He was the son of Benjamin >Lambert >>and Ellen (Small) Mosby. 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