Cindy Leonard asked me for some advice on doing a web page. Others, I am sure, are sitting "out there" with free web space from your ISP and have no idea what to do with it. These are my thots and maybe if you all don't get too lengthy, Kathleen might let you get by with putting your suggestions for doing a web page on the list. (Better copy Cindy. Not sure she is on this list.) Since I don't have much time while doing the census, Kathleen has been learning html and has been doing some of our Macoupin pages like all the township pages and updating some of the others. She might be able to give some firsthand experience with web page learning. I haven't the time to spend with her as I have with some others in the past. She is clawing it out on her own. Think she also found some classes to take. My thots: Best way to write html is in wordpad or notepad. I am serious. Once you learn html, there is so much more at hand to use. I use a WYSIWYG editor now but still do a lot of my editing in wordpad manually. You can use a WYSIWYG editor and never learn html. That is up to you. Many type editors on the market so try different ones. My suggestion for a "manual" editor is Homesite. I only use WS_FTP for my uploading to the net and no I don't want anything else because I have never had any trouble with it. Url for htmlgoodies below gives a lot of the basics. I suggest you write very very basic and master what you are putting up before trying fancy stuff. According to what kind of page you are designing as to the type of stuff on it. If it is just for fun, then all the prettys, animateds, etc, are fine. Prettys load slow so have to decide how slow you want your user to have to spend in downloading your page. Not many in genealogy want a lot of prettys, they want data. I get carried away once in awhile with the prettys and have to learn to back off. If you are thoughtful, then you have to think of people using older browsers and locking up with frames and/or music. Music should be started with a button, not come up playing when the page is loaded. Tables are very good tools for doing basic html stuff on a web page. They hold things where you want them. http://www.freewareplus.com/95docs/html.htm http://www.freewareplus.com/95docs/ftp.htm http://www.htmlgoodies.com/primers/primer_1.html Gloria Frazier Macoupin County ILGenWeb Coordinator