I have a Miller in my line too. Mine is Elizabeth Miller b. 1796 d. 1883-84 Macoupin County and can't locate a burial place for her or her husband, Samuel W. Lair b. 1796 d. 1870 Macoupin County. They named their second son, James Miller Lair (my great grandfather) and have assumed Elizabeth Miller's father may have been James Miller. Samuel W. Lair (b. Virginia) served in the War of 1812 and was pensioned. The pension file says Elizabeth was born in Jefferson County, Tennessee. They were married in Cocke or Knox County, Tennessee--both counties given in the pension file. And that is where my line on her ends. I generally don't give up ... I like a challenge and yours was fun. Only to happy to help. If anyone knows about my Elizabeth, I sure would be thrilled if anyone could come up with anything more. Linda R.F. Arnold California

I'm tryin'! Since I've done most of my husbands Miller except for the 'littles' and I have a bunch of Elizabeths, and have hopes. Our Millers came from KY via Indiana to IL in 1830--where for the most part, they remained, except for us. Our Lairs are part as they relate to the Lovelace's who came from NC and married into Chipman/Bacon--which is very "ours". This connection precedes the introduction of Miller surname--Miller's in 1830 and the Lovelace's were just getting there then. they are mostly Macoupin/Greene County early on. Lair is -- for us-- is a subsidiary which I like to have in case I have to try the "back door". there are Lair stepchildren I think I should probably work on. Texas contacts have had illness and I'm not talking with them with any frequency. It's Chipman relatives we share with Lair. It's late tonight, and I have a class Mon and Wed mornings at 8:30. I'll get back as soon as I can. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Cemetery ... >I have a Miller in my line too. > > Mine is Elizabeth Miller b. 1796 d. 1883-84 Macoupin County and can't > locate > a burial place for her or her husband, Samuel W. Lair b. 1796 d. 1870 > Macoupin County. They named their second son, James Miller Lair (my great > grandfather) and have assumed Elizabeth Miller's father may have been > James Miller. > > Samuel W. Lair (b. Virginia) served in the War of 1812 and was pensioned. > The pension file says Elizabeth was born in Jefferson County, Tennessee. > They > were married in Cocke or Knox County, Tennessee--both counties given in > the > pension file. And that is where my line on her ends. > > I generally don't give up ... I like a challenge and yours was fun. > > Only to happy to help. If anyone knows about my Elizabeth, I sure would > be > thrilled if anyone could come up with anything more. > > Linda R.F. Arnold > California > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Macoupin County Historical Society books for sale: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_bksale.htm#hissoc > >

Linda Afraid I've come up empty. There are Elizabeths mixed in this family line, but not Miller. It's been a long while since I've worked this side of Dick's family and I find that Lovelace, Morrow and Lair are predominantly NC. Those from IL to TX were Acenith Chipman married Charles Lovelace and her parents and younger sisters moved from IL to TX. (Chipmans had eight daughters). The Elizabeth Miller I have was the first death in Macoupin County--mother of Henry Miller who brought the entire family to IL in 1828. She was older and had different dates. I wish I could have surprised you as much as you surprised me! My info says: "CENSUS: US 1850, Fannin Co., TX; Charles and Rebecca Family #254, both b. NC, Charles 55, Rebecca 53. Children's ages in census differ from those listed this history. (William P--21,b, N.C; John--18, b, NC; Andrew --15, b.NC; Lewis--14, b. IL; Martin--13, b. 1837, IL; Thomas--12, b, IL) Three youngest all born IL, indicative arrival IL between 1835 and 1836. Eldest son, Allen married Acenith Chipman 1846." This couple then connect to Angelina Lair. I'll try and raise Nila because she has more of the Lair connections. Too bad. It's interesting though. I think Edward was entrepeneurial because all along he seems to have forced being found! I maintain some ancestors don't want to be found and make it hard, others practically wave from the grave at you! My husband had NO IDEA his grandfather had a brother. I think his father knew, because Dick then recalled visiting somewhere where there were older boys--"up north"-- and only once. Dick was born after that grandfather died, as did the gr grandfather before him, so there was little 'lore' that was recalled to pass down to lower generations. But I've found Edward on several occasions (obit, etc.) when I wasn't looking for him! Amazing. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Cemetery ... >I have a Miller in my line too. > > Mine is Elizabeth Miller b. 1796 d. 1883-84 Macoupin County and can't > locate > a burial place for her or her husband, Samuel W. Lair b. 1796 d. 1870 > Macoupin County. They named their second son, James Miller Lair (my great > grandfather) and have assumed Elizabeth Miller's father may have been > James Miller. > > Samuel W. Lair (b. Virginia) served in the War of 1812 and was pensioned. > The pension file says Elizabeth was born in Jefferson County, Tennessee. > They > were married in Cocke or Knox County, Tennessee--both counties given in > the > pension file. And that is where my line on her ends. > > I generally don't give up ... I like a challenge and yours was fun. > > Only to happy to help. If anyone knows about my Elizabeth, I sure would > be > thrilled if anyone could come up with anything more. > > Linda R.F. Arnold > California > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Macoupin County Historical Society books for sale: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_bksale.htm#hissoc > >

Linda I inadvertently deleted your message with more about Susan Lair. Fortunately I'd printed a copy! I have a Susan Lair, guestimate birthdate and location, but Nila's info placed her marriage to Andrew Jackson Lovelace about 1855 in Bonham, Fannin, TX. Andrew b. August 30, 1833 in Rowan Co. NC--was the 4th son of Charles Lovelace and Rebecca Morrow's 9 children; she also b. Rowan Co. NC (Charles b. MD). The Lovelace name is easily found in Fannin records. My Chipmans join the Lovelace clan when 'my' Acenith Chipman marries Andrews eldest brother, Allen Lovelace and shortly after Allen and Acenith, her grandparents Seth and Sarah Lorton Chipman and her parents, Jacob G. and Nancy Chipman Bacon follow them from Macoupin, IL to Bonham Texas. Jacob is my mystery fellow --dies in Orangeville TX between 1860 census and 1865 IL State Census when Nancy is back in IL--this time in Palmyra. We're running into a lot of similarities now, so it looks like we may have SOMETHING!. Nila changed her email and I lost her hook up. I'll try a mutual Chipman researcher to see if I can give her a holler! I have to go for my Pulmonary Rehab discipline this early morning and will be in and out today. If you send me your address I can snail what I have on Lovelaces. It seems another son marries a Lucille Sims Lair, she a widow with children later in the data I have -- and where I get mixed up on who belongs to who. I'm foggy on some of this. Better to send you my info than try to retype whatever pertains.... I don't know how to send data from my program by email.......boo hoo Later, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Cemetery ... >I have a Miller in my line too. > > Mine is Elizabeth Miller b. 1796 d. 1883-84 Macoupin County and can't > locate > a burial place for her or her husband, Samuel W. Lair b. 1796 d. 1870 > Macoupin County. They named their second son, James Miller Lair (my great > grandfather) and have assumed Elizabeth Miller's father may have been > James Miller. > > Samuel W. Lair (b. Virginia) served in the War of 1812 and was pensioned. > The pension file says Elizabeth was born in Jefferson County, Tennessee. > They > were married in Cocke or Knox County, Tennessee--both counties given in > the > pension file. And that is where my line on her ends. > > I generally don't give up ... I like a challenge and yours was fun. > > Only to happy to help. If anyone knows about my Elizabeth, I sure would > be > thrilled if anyone could come up with anything more. > > Linda R.F. Arnold > California > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Macoupin County Historical Society books for sale: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_bksale.htm#hissoc > >