Jan In my husband's family there was a drowning in a river which separated 2 states.  Perhaps this might shed some light on your situation - When the drowning occurred the authorities were notified.  Being that the group was from the nearest community in MO those officials were notified first.  Somehow the AR officials learned of the situation and they too responded.  The deceased went into the river from the MO side and when the body was recovered it was pulled out on the AR side and thus the battle started.  Both sides believed it was their authority to report the death according to their own state's guidelines/laws. For years the family believed that AR finally won the battle.  A check of the death records in AR came up with nothing.  At this point I figured that perhaps something was not properly done by the AR officials.  When the MO death certificates became available I was surprised to see the death certificate among the list.  At least I know there was a death certificate and that the story regarding the filing was either made up somewhere along the way or the extended family was not made aware of the true filing location. With this in mind I would check all resources because you never know what may have happened regarding the filling of any report.  However note that in the time period mentioned you probably won't find any death ceritifcate.  Most states did not require death certificate filings until after 1900 (IL in 1916; MO in 1910; AR in 1914 just to name a few for examples).  The newspaper article is most likely the only thing that you will have to use as a resource.  Most likely any railroad records for that time period are long gone even if the railroad company had made a file on the incident.  Coroner's usually convened a coroner's jury when the cause of death could have been 2 or more reasons.  If the cause of death was very evident then the coroner would not have made any record unless he was the one who pronounced the person as deceased because no other official or physician was there at the time to do so. Debbi Geer --- On Mon, 1/4/10, Jan Miller <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Jan Miller <jgrellim@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [ILMACOUP] railroad fatalities To: ilmacoup@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, January 4, 2010, 10:12 AM Excuse me for butting in, but I have been intrigued with your work as you have communicated with others day to day.  It may be you can provide some insight to my problem, but if not, that is okay.  I think people who work in a particular area know more than a clerk is often more precise. I have a relative who lived in Chicago--a young man with a wife and infant son.  He worked for the G.R & I and was killed 1875 in Michigan--a coupling accident on a run between Grand Rapids and Indiana. The area was apparently somewhat remote, the newspaper said "near Clam Lake" (MI).  I 've since learned there are 2 counties that could have jurisdiction over the incident. I am told the RR itself had its own procedure--but the locals are first on the scene. I have bounced around between the 2-3 entities and haven't been able to pin down any correct order or procedural 'protocols'.  I wind up "flapping my apron" just trying to find out what they are or where to start. Perhaps your research has revealed what happens in situations like this--unfortunately, there were probably many such accidents in this period--so I'm hoping you can help. Other than the local news clipping to which I referred, I have a couple of haunting questions:         Who would be the first responders?         What was their role?         What was required in attending to the remains?         Would the coroner do any sort of physical preparation before returning the body to Chicago?         If it winds up as a county record, does the county keep that record or the RR? Both?         What 'papers' would be kept with the body--in other words, what do the officials [on scene and RR] do before transporting  remains?         Where would a death record be--Antrim or the 2nd suggested county (which I shall go look up before I send this message). >From Chicago City Directories I know the victim's home address.  But being a young couple, I am assuming they were in an apartment. I am hoping an obituary might suggest a mortuary but Chicago was a big city even then.  Didn't the Big Fire occur in this period? If I can get more details maybe I will have luck, but I understand the line went bankrupt, so I may find myself on a wild goose chase after all. If you can provide any insight at all, I would be most appreciative! Thank You! Jan in California -- Original Message ----- From: "W Hinton" <wmhntn@frontiernet.net> To: <ilmacoup@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:57 AM Subject: [ILMACOUP] railroad fatalities > The railroads page has been updated > with the addition of fatalies that also > include those that weren't train wrecks. > plus a few bit and pieces of other data. > And a outside the county news article > about the Kortkamp mine near Hillsboro. > http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/railroads.html > additonal items are welcome. > > Wayne > http://gillespieil.com/ > > > > Check out Macoupin County ILGenWeb page at > http://www.macoupinctygenealogy.org/. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILMACOUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Check out Macoupin County ILGenWeb page at http://www.macoupinctygenealogy.org/. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILMACOUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan and anyone else interested, First off, I must say that I am no where close to an expert. and I have never worked with any Michigan records. First responders would have been anyone on or near the scene. Their role would have been to do what they could. On most train related accidents that did not incapacitate the train, victims were usually transported by the train to the nearest depot or station. Records, if any would be with the attending doctor, who usually was the closest. A lot of the rural doctors in Illinois, in that time period, just kept their records and they never filed any. If he filed any papers, I would guess that they would be in the doctor's county. Jurisdiction should have been the county in which the incident occurred, but may have been where it was reported. Any damage done to the train should have been investigated by the state Railroad Commission or possibly the (US) Interstate Commerce Commisssion. If the widow filed for compensation from the railroad, there may be some sort of record for that. Newspapers are usually the best palce to start, as they may contain the name of the doctor, undertaking parlor, or some other insight. Burial location could be another clue. Another remote possiblity would be a church record, as some did a better job of keeping records that the counties did. I have only been guessing, so I hope this may help, if only slightly, Wayne http://gillespieil.com/

Excuse me for butting in, but I have been intrigued with your work as you have communicated with others day to day. It may be you can provide some insight to my problem, but if not, that is okay. I think people who work in a particular area know more than a clerk is often more precise. I have a relative who lived in Chicago--a young man with a wife and infant son. He worked for the G.R & I and was killed 1875 in Michigan--a coupling accident on a run between Grand Rapids and Indiana. The area was apparently somewhat remote, the newspaper said "near Clam Lake" (MI). I 've since learned there are 2 counties that could have jurisdiction over the incident. I am told the RR itself had its own procedure--but the locals are first on the scene. I have bounced around between the 2-3 entities and haven't been able to pin down any correct order or procedural 'protocols'. I wind up "flapping my apron" just trying to find out what they are or where to start. Perhaps your research has revealed what happens in situations like this--unfortunately, there were probably many such accidents in this period--so I'm hoping you can help. Other than the local news clipping to which I referred, I have a couple of haunting questions: Who would be the first responders? What was their role? What was required in attending to the remains? Would the coroner do any sort of physical preparation before returning the body to Chicago? If it winds up as a county record, does the county keep that record or the RR? Both? What 'papers' would be kept with the body--in other words, what do the officials [on scene and RR] do before transporting remains? Where would a death record be--Antrim or the 2nd suggested county (which I shall go look up before I send this message). >From Chicago City Directories I know the victim's home address. But being a young couple, I am assuming they were in an apartment. I am hoping an obituary might suggest a mortuary but Chicago was a big city even then. Didn't the Big Fire occur in this period? If I can get more details maybe I will have luck, but I understand the line went bankrupt, so I may find myself on a wild goose chase after all. If you can provide any insight at all, I would be most appreciative! Thank You! Jan in California -- Original Message ----- From: "W Hinton" <wmhntn@frontiernet.net> To: <ilmacoup@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 5:57 AM Subject: [ILMACOUP] railroad fatalities > The railroads page has been updated > with the addition of fatalies that also > include those that weren't train wrecks. > plus a few bit and pieces of other data. > And a outside the county news article > about the Kortkamp mine near Hillsboro. > http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/railroads.html > additonal items are welcome. > > Wayne > http://gillespieil.com/ > > > > Check out Macoupin County ILGenWeb page at > http://www.macoupinctygenealogy.org/. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILMACOUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The railroads page has been updated with the addition of fatalies that also include those that weren't train wrecks. plus a few bit and pieces of other data. And a outside the county news article about the Kortkamp mine near Hillsboro. http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/railroads.html additonal items are welcome. Wayne http://gillespieil.com/

You are cordially invited to the 2010 St. Louis Genealogical Society Open House which will take place on Sunday, January 24 at the STLGS office from 1:00 - 3:00 pm. You can: tour the office and meet the volunteer staff, meet the Special Interest Group (SIG) leaders, Talk with experienced genealogists, examine genealogical software, learn about curent projects, use the office reading room and reference materials. For more information and/or directions visit the Society's website - www.stlgs.org or call 314-647-8547 Other events coming up are: March 12 Trivia Night at the Maryland Heights Community Centre May 15 Family History Conference at the Maryland Heights Community Centre July 31 Summer Seminar at the Viking Conference Center Sept. 13-17 St. Louis Research Week at the STLGS office Oct. 23 Speaker Series at the Viking Conference Center Nov. 14-21 Salt Lake City ResearchTrip Dec. 5 Book Jamboree at the STLGS office

In the Girard sesquicentennial history of 2005, "A Great History - A Greater Future", pages 86-89 cover the CCC camps in general and the Carlinville camp in particular. It also includes a photo of that camp, and another photo of a group of young men at the camp, with tents in the background. The book is sold out, but there is a copy at the Girard Library and I think also at Staunton Library. Linda Kmiecik ----- Original Message ----- From: "W Hinton" <wmhntn@frontiernet.net> To: <ilmacoup@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: [ILMACOUP] CCC camps > Anyone know anything about the > Civilian Conservation Corps, > especially Camp IL-SCS-36 > of Macoupin County, IL.? > > Thanks, > Wayne > http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/ > > Check out Macoupin County ILGenWeb page at > http://www.macoupinctygenealogy.org/. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILMACOUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wayne, This might give you some info on CCC, in general. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps Sharon On 31 Dec 2009 at 11:44, W Hinton wrote: Anyone know anything about the Civilian Conservation Corps, especially Camp IL-SCS-36 of Macoupin County, IL.? Thanks, Wayne http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/ Check out Macoupin County ILGenWeb page at http://www.macoupinctygenealogy.org/. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILMACOUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anyone know anything about the Civilian Conservation Corps, especially Camp IL-SCS-36 of Macoupin County, IL.? Thanks, Wayne http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/

Debbi made me aware of some Possible mine fatalities that actually were undetermined; referencing the obituary that Gloria has posted at : http://www.macoupinctygenealogy.org/obits/o_m004.html#MORGAN,%20Henry I would consider these worthy of adding to the "Coal Mine Fatalities", if anyone has such type of information that would be willing to share. Mr. Morgan's injury at the mine was not even listed in the Annual Coal Report. And Thanks to Cindy, the I.T.S. wreck photos and newspaper article have been added to the "Railroads" page. http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/railroads.html Happy New Year, Wayne http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/

Thanks to Linda, for the compliment. Thanks to Cindy for trying to send the data. Is anyone else having trouble with my e-mail address? E-mail has been slow and erractic today for me. I would appreciate some trying with just a simple message. Thanks to all, Wayne http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/

I have a photo and the newspaper story from the Staunton Star-Times of 1910 regarding the train wreck on the ITS. Wayne, I tried to send to you privately but it bounced back undeliverable. I got all the usual recipient rejected, unknown recipient.........maybe the file was too big. ----- Original Message ----- From: "W Hinton" <wmhntn@frontiernet.net> To: <ilmacoup@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 9:44 AM Subject: [ILMACOUP] railroads inc. fatalities > Due to the fact that the Coal Mine Fatalities page > has been quite popular, I thought I would take a > look at Railroads. I inclued a few Fatalities, > but I could really use some help for this. > > http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/railroads.html > > Happy New Year, > Wayne > http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/ > > Check out Macoupin County ILGenWeb page at http://www.macoupinctygenealogy.org/. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILMACOUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to Wayne for including the page for the railroads of the area and especially for adding the fatalities. Linda R.F. Arnold Menifee, California In a message dated 12/29/2009 9:59:57 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, wmhntn@frontiernet.net writes: Due to the fact that the Coal Mine Fatalities page has been quite popular, I thought I would take a look at Railroads. I inclued a few Fatalities, but I could really use some help for this. http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/railroads.html Happy New Year, Wayne http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/ Check out Macoupin County ILGenWeb page at http://www.macoupinctygenealogy.org/. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILMACOUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Due to the fact that the Coal Mine Fatalities page has been quite popular, I thought I would take a look at Railroads. I inclued a few Fatalities, but I could really use some help for this. http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/railroads.html Happy New Year, Wayne http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/

I should have sent this message a few months ago, but if you are a descendant of Martin and Mary Wood(s) Pruitt who moved from Tennessee to Illinois, settling in 1806 at Sand Ridge Prairie (now East Alton), please make note of this message and pass the word on to others in the family. Sometime during 2010, one of the DAR chapters in Madison Co IL (I think it's the Ninian Edwards Chapter) will be coordinating a special ceremony to place DAR plaques at their graves.  The chapter is doing this for all Revolutionary War patriots and their wives as part of their participation in the county's 200th anniversary in 2011 or 2012. It's my understanding that the ceremony at Martin's grave will be first.  He is buried in the Preuitt Family Cemetery on the south edge of Bethalto on Moreland Road.  This cemetery is on the Regional Airport grounds now and being maintained by the airport's grounds dept.  The Airport administration is working with the DAR chapter to coordinate access to the cemetery for the ceremony Afterwards the group will go to Vaughn Cemetery off IL 111 south of the Regional Airport for the ceremony to honor Mary Wood(s) Pruitt.  She was the first known burial in the cemetery. I do not know what the date will be, but it would be nice to see many of the descendants there.  As I learn more details I will post a message.  I'm pretty sure that something will also appear in The Telegraph. Martin and Mary's children were as follows - 1) Sarah married William Jones - may have remained in Virginia 2) Leodica married Ephraim Woods and then James Stockton  - some of her descendants are buried in the Vaughn Cemetery 3) Elizabeth married John Halfpenny - have no further info on her so she may have remained in Virginia or Tennessee 4) Isaac married Mary 'Polly' Stickly and then Anna Gilpin - some of his descendants moved from Greene Co IL in the Gillespie, Macoupin, IL area (Link family) while others moved to Christian Co MO, Hickory Co MO and Lincoln Co WA 5) Abraham married Esther - son WIlliam moved to the Dallas/Ft Worth TX area while his daughter Mary (Mrs WIlliam) Rowden remained in Greene Co IL but that part which is now Jersey Co; son Isaac moved to Montgomery Co IL; info about his other 8 children is not available 6) Jacob married unknown - changed spelling of surname to Pruett; moved his family to Madison Co MO before 1830 and many still reside as well in the surrounding counties 7) William married Sarah Roady - his descendants live in Greene Co and Macoupin Co; his 4 sons married Ambrose sisters 8) Margaret - died as a child 9) James married Mary and then Mary Costley - many descendants still in Jersey Co which include the surnames Ruyle and Johnson; some live in Greene Co but others are in Montgomery Co, Macoupin Co, Madison Co and Sangamon Co 10) Solomon married Rebecca Higgins and then her sister Elizabeth - changed spelling of surname to Preuitt although a few of his descendants have switched to the Pruitt spelling; some descendants live in Madison Co, Macoupin Co, and Jersey Co but others went to Oklahoma and Texas as well as other states such as Montana and California If you have any questions, please feel free to write me privately (dgirth@yahoo.com). Debbi Geer

Thank you for the squire information. It's greatly appreciated. Nancy M. Boyd

Squire, James F 67y d. 15 May 1931 Squire, James T 20y, 1m, 10d d. 1 Mar 1863 Co A 97 Ill Inf Squire, Joanthan 80y, 7m, 25d d. 19 Feb 1886 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy M. Boyd" <geniegirl@iowatelecom.net> To: <ILMACOUP@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 7:53 AM Subject: [ILMACOUP] Bunker Hill Cemetery > Is there anyone on the list who lives in Macoupin Co and could do a > lookup for Bunker Hill Cemetery. I only find a partial listing on the > web. I am looking for James Squire/Squires buried in Bunker Hill > Cemetery. I am looking for the date of death. His father Jonathan > Squire/Squires is also buried there. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Nancy M. Boyd > > Check out Macoupin County ILGenWeb page at > http://www.macoupinctygenealogy.org/. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILMACOUP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Nancy M. Boyd wrote: "Is there anyone on the list who lives in Macoupin Co and could do a lookup for Bunker Hill Cemetery." Nancy try RAOGK.org for a free volunteer. Carl in Texas

Is there anyone on the list who lives in Macoupin Co and could do a lookup for Bunker Hill Cemetery. I only find a partial listing on the web. I am looking for James Squire/Squires buried in Bunker Hill Cemetery. I am looking for the date of death. His father Jonathan Squire/Squires is also buried there. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Nancy M. Boyd

On the History and Genealogy page http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/hist_gen.html added biographies : ATCHISON, James M. BOOSINGER, Geoge BUTTERS, Alexander MEINECKE, Henry T. THOMAS, Dr. Marvel updated family histories : AHRENS WHEELER - with portrait of Columbus Wheeler Happy Holidays, Wayne http://gillespieil.com/gillespie/

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