My great grandfather and family, Lawson Young Weir and his wife, Charlotte Williams, (together with some of the Williams families) fled from Cedar and Polk Co, Missouri during the Civil War. They settled in Plainview, Macoupin Co, IL. My grandmother was born there 10 Oct 1865. For some reason, I have not been able to find a record of her birth or baptism. In Missouri, they were member of the Methodist Episcopal Church. I would appreciate any help that I may have on this family. Lorain Beeler Axup, carlor@dconn.com

Gloria wrote: > Hi Don, > > First, I help with the Macoupin County ILGenWeb Archives and I > would very much like to have Jeptha and Paschal's family info and > notes to be included in the First Families section of the archives > if you would want to submit it. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/il/macoupin/family.htm > The archives has a search engine where others searching your family > name have an easier time in finding the name. > > I also cked the Macoupin History book and it does not list James K > Polk READER in the listing for the 122nd IL Inf Co D. > SNIP > I would try ordering James K Polk READER's papers from the 122nd IL > Company D. If they don't find any, no charge. > > Gloria Frazier > Thanks for your advice. I did not find James K. READER listed at any of those sites. I guess my next step would be to write to the National Archives as you suggest. I will definitely like to see Jeptha and Paschal READER listed in the first family section. How do I submit it? Is the writeup I sent to Cindy Leonard previously sufficient for now? I can add more later. Any thoughts on how to find Civil War civilian prison and sherrif's records? I would very much like to find out more about Paschal's arrest for "anti-Union activites" during the Civil War. It is not unlike the story about the arrest of Andrew NASH and the mob attack on the Carlinville jail in 1854 which is found in the First Families section, but with the added background of a prominent citizen and the emotional times of the Civil War. Before I do a proper write-up I need to do more research. Perhaps there is an account in one of the Carlinville newspapers but I am not sure even of the year, let alone the exact date. I also have a write-up by my grandfather on "The Village of Reader, Ills., circa 1890 to 190?" describing the layout, people, and times of this quiet farming community. It includes a description of the L.C.& W. railroad, a hand-drawn (from memory) plat sketch of the depot and town, and a photo of he and his son Gordon (my Dad) in 1932 standing in front of the village store. The picture is a little fuzzy. I am sure it was taken with my Grandmother's everpresent Kodak Brownie camera. Grandpa is looking sharp in his "skimmer" (flat straw hat) and my dad at age 9 appears to be wearing a beanie and knickers, but his head must have moved, causing a double image, so it is unclear. The store and two autos (Ford Model A'S?) are clear enough. You can almost read the license plate on one of them. Would this be of interest? I would like to know if the Macoupin County Historical Society has a publication which would like to publish this (11 pages of handwitten text). Do you know who and how I can contact them? After that I would be happy to have it put on the website. Don Reader St. Louis, MO e-mail: readerd@storz.com

Faith wrote: > > Looking for info on JOHN SEATON family, appears 1840 - 1850 census, in > NILLWOOD. 1860 census shows his son WILLIAM SEATON at SHAWS POINT. > Does anyone know where SHAWS POINT is located, cannot find it on any of my > maps. Thanks Faith Keahey@Cyberhighway.net > Hi Faith, Look for the United States Geological Survey link on on the Macoupin County Genealogy website. Shaws Point is a township of Macoupin county. It is on the Carlinville East 7.5 minute quad (Topographical map). There is also a Shaw Point School (Atwater quad) and a Shaw Point Branch (stream) nearby. This is southeast of Nilwood and Standard city and due east of Carlinville. Don Reader St. Louis, MO e-mail: readerd@storz.com

Hi Mary Ann, You wrote and I shall answer as best I can: > Hi Don, > > You mention a couple of familiar names below. As my ancestors were in > the immediate area of your READER stomping grounds, maybe they are > remotely connected? > > You mention Rhoda WHEELER m Alfred READER, they not being of your line. > I have WHEELER's in Bird Twp., adjoins W. Mound on the East. But this > Rhoda isn't my line either, at least not that I know of. Are you aware > of her ancestry? If you saw my posted reply to Chuck today, you have the answer, her parents, Richard and Ann WHEELER brought her from England. > ....................I had a JOHN WHEELER residing in the western part of > Bird Twp. who was also a well-to-do farmer. He built a brick house that > is supposedly one of the first brick houses in Macoupin Co. It was just > demolished not too many years ago. I have pictures of it back in the > 1980's where it was in bad disrepair. He came there ca 1836 and died > there in 1890's. He is buried at Shiloh Cemetery in Bird Twp. One of > his sons Wm. Wheeler has children buried in Reeder Cemetery. Yes, in my "Tombstone Revelations" (Bird and Western Mound) book I see a Lydia and Edgar as daughter and son of "W&MJ" WHEELER. Who was MJ, his wife? What was her maiden name? There is also a Paul listed as son (infant) of "JW&SE" WHEELER, who were they? There is also "One stone down". I wonder what is on the other side? I see several WHEELERS in the Shiloh Cemetary, including John and Mary (MJ?), and two more infants of JW&SE. What bad luck they had! Were these possibly the Warren(JW) and Emma(SE) who were both born in 1857 but used their middle names? I see no connection to the READER family, except Shiloh Baptist is where they worshipped. Maybe they were in-laws but I do not know the connection. > > Then the surname HAGAMAN....one of my greatgrandfather's sisters married > JOHN HAGAMAN, but was probably a later generation. I will copy a little > of what I have below. > Descendants of Irena Amanda Stewart > > 1 Irena Amanda Stewart b: 25 October, 1866 in > Bird Twp., Macoupin Co., > IL > d: 13 March, 1922 in Bird Twp., Macoupin Co., > IL > . +John E. Hagaman b: 1876 m: Abt. 1890 > d: 1917 in Carlinville, Macoupin Co., > IL SNIP John E. Hagaman (Sr.) was probably the brother of George R.( READER?) HAGAMAN, born 1873, both being sons of John and Nancy Jane (READER) HAGAMAN. Then he would have been my 2G-grandfather Paschal READER's nephew, and first cousin to my great-grandfather George W. READER. Of course he could have been a nephew of John and Jane also. > As for the marriage of James Reeder and Rebecca Booth, that probably > means they applied for a license and the marriage wasn't returned. Could > mean they didn't get married or could mean the minister/j.p. just didn't > return. I have printed books of Macoupin marriages through 1857 and this > marriage isn't listed. That could mean it was later or it could mean > that it wasn't transcribed because it wasn't returned? Sue (Rafferty) McMurry found the entry for James and Rebecca in the index of "Book 5 and Cert #." being around 1872. As you say this could be because they applied for a license, but did not marry. If this is my Great-grandfather's brother, James K. Polk READER, he married a Lou(ise?) E. Poley about 1873 in Auburn, IL where he first took up medical practice after graduating from Medical School in St. Louis in 1872. Perhaps James and Rebecca were engaged but broke off the engagement when he moved to Auburn (or when he met Lou!) > > Mary Ann > STEWART Family Home Page > <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/a/y/Mary-Ann--Kaylor/ I checked the bio of Alfred READER (no relation) and Rhoda WHEELER and indeed the other READER entries you found were their children, Alice, Jennie, Joseph (Joe L.?), and William, and Emma (Eva Jane?), except that the bio has the wrong spouses for Emma/Eva and Jennie, switching the two. I am assuming that the John READER mentioned was a cousin of these READERs, as I find no John among my READERs back then. All for now. Don Reader St. Louis, MO e-mail: readerd@storz.com

Hi Chuck, You wrote: > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:57:07 -0500 > From: CHUCK COURTWRIGHT <chuckwo2@bigplanet.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > To: Don Reader <readerd@storz.com> > Subject: Re: [ILMACOUP-L] READER family in Macoupin County > > Dear Don, I saw your posting & don't really have information on what you > requested. But, I do have a pic of a "Margueritte Reader" & my mother, > "Lela (Strablow) Courtwright". > In my mother's "School Friendship Book" (she graduated from Medora High > School) there is a "note" from Marguerite Reader, Blind Duck Avenue, Box > 24, Piasa, ILL. > Also a "note" from a Dorothy Reader. > I assume these two ppl were classmates of my mother's, and relation to > you. I am in a continuing process of my genealogy, :-), as you know it's > never finished. If you would like I will send you a copy of the pic & > scan the notes in the book & send them to you. (If you would like this > info I will need to know what type of files you can recieve, Or I can > send you copies via snail mail, if you're interested.) I also have two > cousins that lived in Fidelity, IL. that may know something to help > you....but they don't have computers, :-( > Let me know if I can be any help...."Have A Great Day!".....Chuck Thanks for the lead. However, I do not find any Dorothy READER in my line. My grandmother was Marguerite READER (sendipity!), nee' MORRISON, but she grew up in Duluth, MN before marrying my grandpa Ernest READER of Western Mound Township in Macoupin Co, IL. By then, my grandpa was a WWI veteran attending Palmer Chiropractic College in Davenport, IA where he met my grandmother's father, who was starting a second career. Ernest READER never returned to Macoupin County to live after being married. It could be that those READERs were descendents of Alfred READER and Rhoda WHEELER, both being emigrants from England, Dorset and Somerset respectively. These were not from my line. According to the 1891 "Portrait and Biographical Record of Macoupin County, Illinois" they lived in Brighton Township. According to the same reference their children were Alice, Fred, Joseph, Jennie, Emma, and William. Also, the parents of Rhoda WHEELER were Richard and Ann WHEELER who brought Rhoda with them "during her maidenhood days". Don Reader St. Louis, MO e-mail: readerd@storz.com

Looking for info on JOHN SEATON family, appears 1840 - 1850 census, in NILLWOOD. 1860 census shows his son WILLIAM SEATON at SHAWS POINT. Does anyone know where SHAWS POINT is located, cannot find it on any of my maps. Thanks Faith Keahey@Cyberhighway.net

Hi Don, First, I help with the Macoupin County ILGenWeb Archives and I would very much like to have Jeptha and Paschal's family info and notes to be included in the First Families section of the archives if you would want to submit it. http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/il/macoupin/family.htm The archives has a search engine where others searching your family name have an easier time in finding the name. I also cked the Macoupin History book and it does not list James K Polk READER in the listing for the 122nd IL Inf Co D. Variations can be searched here then try ordering copies of IL or Federal records below. Search here: http://www.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/civilwar How to get copies of **IL** records for CW soldiers - pretty descriptive. http://www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/datcivil.html#photocopies (These might be very very cheap and you could go thru some various spellings including just James K POLK by itself. Inquire.) For the **Federal** records, this is on the Links page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_links.htm When you have enough information on your soldier (Union or Confederate) in the Civil War, Revolutionary War, ie, NATF Form 80 is needed to order service records. You can obtain the NATF Form 80 (limit 6 per order) by providing your name and mailing address to email address <inquire@nara.gov>. Be sure to specify "Form 80" and the number of forms you need. and also for Federal NATF Form 80: http://www.outfitters.com/illinois/history/civil/natf.html When you send Form 80 do not send money - wait to see what they come up with. If they don't find something for military pension (pension papers, if a soldier recd a pension, would have the most information genealogically), send in another form for military papers for each and every person you want to find mil info on. They only bill if they find the papers and have copied them then they write and let you know if they have found them and where to send the money. The charge for the papers is usually $10 per file (one sheet or 20 sheets whatever is in the file). I would try ordering James K Polk READER's papers from the 122nd IL Company D. If they don't find any, no charge. Gloria Frazier Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:56:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Don Reader <readerd@storz.com> To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199809181656.LAA03861@aeon.Storz.Com> Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] READER family in Macoupin County Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Md5: VH1fLZp2/WXlKm/feNTwWw== Dear Macoupin County list members: Hi! My name is Don READER and my grandfather, Ernest READER was born and raised on the family farm near the village of Reader, IL which was named after his father G.W. Reader who sold the land to the railroad for a depot. I am new to the list and looking for information (look-ups please) on my READER family. I can also provide some as well. Below is a copy of an e-mail which I just posted to Cindy Leonard. It contains a summary of most of what I know already of the two pioneers, Jeptha and Paschal READER and a few questions that I am having difficulty with. Thanks for your help! ------------------ Gloria Frazier I am researching these surnames and more I can't remember: Adcock/Baseye/Carter/Coverdill/Hays/Hord/Nash/Oller/Richards/Shipp/S utton/Thrasher/Warren/Wingo,Frazier/Morrison/Ragland/Upton/Hamilton and

Dear Macoupin County list members: Hi! My name is Don READER and my grandfather, Ernest READER was born and raised on the family farm near the village of Reader, IL which was named after his father G.W. Reader who sold the land to the railroad for a depot. I am new to the list and looking for information (look-ups please) on my READER family. I can also provide some as well. Below is a copy of an e-mail which I just posted to Cindy Leonard. It contains a summary of most of what I know already of the two pioneers, Jeptha and Paschal READER and a few questions that I am having difficulty with. Thanks for your help! ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 11:41:01 -0500 From: Don Reader <readerd@storz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cindyldq@midwest.net, readerd@storz.com Subject: READER family in Macoupin County Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Ms. Leonard, I saw your page on the Macoupin County Genealogical Society website. You mentioned that you were looking for information for your Old Settlers Series. Where is this Series published? Is it on the web, in a magazine or newspaper, or self-published as pamplets or books? You also mentioned that you could do look-ups in materials that you have. Do you have anything in your Old Settlers Series or any other materials on the READER family in Macoupin County? I would very much like to see whatever you have. I have some information on my G-G-G-grandfather, Jeptha READER, and his son Paschal, who came to Macoupin County with his family in 1830 from Overton County (now Pickett), TN. We have the family bible pages of Paschal, in which Paschal records all the birth dates and death dates in the family including his parents, siblings and children up through the 1850's. Alas, no marriage dates were recorded. Jeptha took up farming as he had done in TN, and also served as an officer in the state militia during the Black Hawk war. He died in 1839 and his grave is in the Reader cemetary, just outside of the village of Reader, west of Carlinville. Paschal READER was born in 1812, possibly in TN or VA. He came to Macoupin County with his parents in 1830 when he was 18 years old. He met and married Margaret Rafferty and they had 10 children, of whom 6 lived to adulthood. The boys who carried on the READER name were James K. Polk, George Washington, and William Donelson READER. Paschal was a well-to-do farmer in what became Wetern Mound township, acquiring a large amount of rich farmland from the federal government. He was an officer in the State militia along with his father Jeptha, taking part in the Black Hawk war. He later became a Justice of the Peace, and a state legislator. He was called "Squire Reader" and was known to be a firm but fair dispenser of justice, settling many local disputes with an iron hand. He was also very active in Democratic politics. Although having a large family himself already, he took in two young Gillmore boys whose mother had died and whose father left them with an uncle who was unable to care for them. Paschal raised these two boys as his own. But that is another story. The Civil War proved to be the downfall of Paschal, as he was very much against it. Whether it was because of his Tennessee origins, his Democratic party affiliation, or concern for his three young sons, he took an active part in protesting the Union Army recruiters. When the Army recruiters came to the area, Paschal would find out where they were and show up. Waiting until the recruiters had finished their appeal, Paschal would stand up and ask the gathered crowd if he could say a few words so they could hear "the other side". Eventually he was arrested for "anti-Union" activities by the sherrif of Macoupin County. While being held at the jail in Carlinville, some hotheads got wind that a Souther sympathizer had been arrested and formed a mob to break into the jail, presumably to lynch him. The quick-thinking sherrif got Paschal onto a train to take him to Springfield but the mob heard about this and tore up the tracks in front of the train. The train then backed up all the way to Litchfield before switching to another track to go on to Springfield. My grandfather, Ernest READER, son of G.W. READER, wrote that Paschal was held in "the Old Capital Prison in Washington, DC" but I suspect that he was not taken any further than Springfield. In prison he proudly refused a parole for many months, but eventually acceeded to the wishes of his captors and signed it. He returned home a broken man, in both spirit and health. Resolving to leave IL after the war, in 1868 he left by wagon to visit his brother-in-law Joseph RAFFERTY who had already moved to the Dallas area and to seek land for his family in Texas. However, he caught pneumonia there and died. He was buried in Texas, but his monument was erected in the Reader Cemetary on the old homestead and is the tallest one there. We have the 1868 diary of G.W. READER in which he describes not only the day his father left Macoupin County, but also his own trip to Texas a few months later after the family got word that Paschal was ill. If you wish you may use any of the above for your series. I can provide more details on the family if needed, however I do not have much more on Paschal himself. I am looking for confirmation or supporting information about him and other members of the family as I try to piece together their story. I am particularly concerned that I do not find the names of Paschal and Jeptha on the lists of Black Hawk War veterans, but perhaps because they were officers holding ranks above the company grade, they are not on those lists. This information comes from a 1904 biography of Paschal's oldest son James K. Polk READER, aka J.K. READER. It also says that James enlisted in Company D of the 122 Illinois Infantry Regiment, but again, I did not find his name on the roster. Could this be because James left Illinois in 1880 and probably never filed for a pension? There may also be spelling variants. William D. was listed under REDER in the 1891 "Portrait and Biographical Record of Macoupin Count", however in the same work, one Alfred READER listed was no relation at all. Alfred was an immigrant from Dorset in the south of England, whereas Paschal's grandfather, Robert READER, had emmigrated from Yorkshire in the north of England around 1773 to Virginia. REEDER is also another common spelling variant, more common than READER. In fact, our family branches in TN and IN later adopted the REEDER spelling. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. Don Reader St. Louis, MO e-mail: readerd@storz.com ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- Don Reader St. Louis, MO e-mail: readerd@storz.com

Burial site of Peter B. KARNES 1805 - aft 1880. In 1880 census he is still listed in Cahokia with second wife Mary THOMPSON near son George. Not listed as buried in Karnes cemetery with first wife Sarah. No other children are in Karnes cemetery. Anyone with access to other cemetery records know where Peter and other Karnes ended up?

According to a biography of Daniel Perrine that I found in a Macoupin County, IL history, his father, William died in IL shortly after leaving OH (this would have been circa 1850). Daniel Perrine is my gg grandfather. Daniel is buried in the Bunker Hill Cemetery, but I have not been able to locate the grave of his father, William. Can anyone on this list help?

Thanks again, Gloria. You are a wealth of information. Now I feel I can utilize my brief time in Carlinville well. Everyone has been so wonderful in responding. I always knew IL folk were great...I remember that from camp days there, many years ago <smile>. Marianne

If I had more than one day for research in Carlinville, I would include: I would make sure I covered the first set of places in Carlinville I mentioned previously in an email. If I have another day or two or three, I could slow down a bit and might manage to get back a second time to a place I wanted more out of and get some touring, sightseeing in. I would add going to the Staunton Library, located south out of Carlinville, Rt 4, about 20 miles. Our Genealogical Society's research materials such as surname files, history and cemetery books, quarterlies are in the George and Santina Sawyer Genealogy Room, Staunton Public Library, 306 West Main, Staunton, IL 62088. The hours are: Mon-Thurs: 10 am - 7 pm; Fri & Sat: 10 am - 5 pm. The phone there is 618-635-3852 Our Historical Society Museum -go north off Carlinville square to Hardees at the light, turn west on Nicholas cross RR tracks, immediately across RR go north on Oak St to Breckenridge St, then west on Breckenridge look right/north. His Soc has research materials including many many old school pics, family histories, etc upstairs. The old home being used as the museum is beautiful with many antiques and artifacts. Arrange for the 10-2 hr opening on Wed. Spring and Fall festivals have super homecooked food, crafts, antique farm equip, and tours. If research time needed and trying to attend a festival, you may have to plan 3 or 4 days in Macoupin. Won't be quiet to research during festival time. Cemeteries - if you should want to visit any cemeteries in the county, many of us on the ILMACOUP list could direct you to a specific cem. Libraries in Girard, Virden, Brighton, Bunker Hill, Gillespie, Mt Olive, Benld have some materials for there own areas which may not be in all the other libraries. Gloria At 09:41 AM 9/10/98 -0500, you wrote: >Gloria Frazier wrote: >> >> One day of research in Carlinville any week day. > >Gloria, > >I've been lurking, and want to thank you for this wonderful "tour" and >suggestions. My husband has ancestors from Shipman and I've been >wanting to go to Carlinville to research; now that I know how to >navigate through, I'm going to do some arm twisting and perhaps spend >more than one day there. > >Thanks a million. ------------------ Gloria Frazier I am researching these surnames and more I can't remember: Adcock/Baseye/Carter/Coverdill/Hays/Hord/Nash/Oller/Richards/Shipp/S utton/Thrasher/Warren/Wingo Oh, I remember. My husband's lines, Frazier/Morrison/Ragland/Upton/Hamilton and

Is the Fall Festival this weekend at Macoupin Co. Historical Society? Or do I have the dates mixed up? Just talked to a member/helper last week and believe that is what she told me. The fall festival does start this weekend :)) rindy

Gloria, Thanks ever so. You have been a terrific help! I'm looking forward to my excursion there...and, yes, I will have a hubby to boss around <smile>. Everyone has been soooo kind in their responses. Thanks again, Marianne/VA

One day of research in Carlinville any week day. Have your list of needs with dates ready. Take a notepad and some small post-it types so you can mark pages you want listed in an index or from a ledger itself. Go to the courthouse, block east of the square. Magnificent old building. Walk up the long flight of steps n or s of bldg or go in a bottom floor doorway in what I would call basement and walk up or take elevator to main floor (maybe called second floor - maybe someone can correct me on the elevator buttons). County Clerk's Office on Main Floor. South end hallway, last office on east side. At least meet Anne Easton and if you meet the County Clerk tell him Anne needs a raise. If you need a marriage, old birth cert, that is where it is. If they aren't overwhelmed with "right now" work, they will probably make the copy ($7) right on the spot for you. You can search the ledgers yourself (use the post-its to mark the pages). The indexes/ledgers are right behind Anne's desk. Tell them what you are looking for and they will point you to or drag the ledger down for you. Do most of your own research work of the ledgers and try to stay out of the workers way. Then off to the Circuit Clerk's Office north of the County Clerk's office same side hallway. Takes more time than the County Clerk's Office especially if you want copies of any probate (estate) (court case) type records. You search the recorded and index ledgers yourself (ledgers are more complicated than in the county clerk's office to find yourself the first time) and if you find something original you want, oh boy, the boxes are at the ceiling and you might stand out in the hallway and holler for some strong person to help you. That isn't too far off because I haven't known them to get the boxes down for you. You prob won't get copies on the spot (prob have to be mailed but can get costs - $1 a copy) because they are extremely busy with now type court cases and the copies may be many if you find an estate or court squabble by your ancestors. Note: If you have a will you need, it doesn't necessarily have to come out of the boxes where all the original papers are. They have hand copied the old wills in a ledger. You got deeds you need then off to the Recorder's Office - this office takes more time than the County Clerk's office but less than the Ckt Clerk's office. The old deed index ledgers if they haven't been moved are right up front in the office. Post-its to mark or notepad write down what you want from the ledgers. The copies may/prob not available on the spot. Not first, but if you have time, take the self-guided tour (pick up your walkman-leave returnable deposit at the County Clerk's office - better get your research done first) - leave some time for the library (time running out, may have to fast forward the walkman, you need to be out of the courthouse by 1 or 2 pm <g>). If you remember when you are outside of the courthouse, look south across the street and the old jail built at the time of the courthouse, abt 1860's, is still there. We called it the White Rock Hotel when I lived there and it was in use. Head back to the square, southeast corner/south side square, look for "Book Shelf" store. Run in, ask, no time to browse, for the Macoupin books. They usually stock the Cemetery books, History books, old Atlas, Hicken's Civil War Book, and others for Macoupin. I needed about $100 the first time in the book store, well, maybe a little more. You are starvin'. Easiest for me to say, is on the way to the Library below, going off the square north about a block or two look east/right, Jubelt's Bakery and Restaurant would be the quickest. Of course, if you want to take the time, Hardees, McDonalds, Dairy Queen, are in the area. Need Walmart, off the square west, keep on truckin' across RR tracks, then abt an eighth to quarter mile look to right/north. Out by Walmart in a little strip type mall is a good pizza/italian place called Nicks. Off the square north a few blocks watching on west side of road for the library (Mon.-Thu. 2:00 p.m.-8:00 p.m. Fri. - Sat. 9:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m.). In order first, Genealogy room, first run thru the file cabinets for any file with your family surname - use the post-its. Gotta page number of an original census sheet for Macoupin you just gotta have, ck the microfilm holdings for census and other types of resources, oh, area newpapers for obits (hopefully, you have experience from the LDS FHC threading the microfilm reader - oops may not have a copier on their reader?? do have a reader). Then the shelves, grab the books you need copies from, use the post-its marking on post-its the page numbers. Ck the time. Take the stack of material with post-its to desk for copying if you aren't allowed to do the copying yourself. Oh, forgot, if you find a lot of stuff to copy you want, better have an extra $100 or so with you for that purpose. If that had been my first time for one day, I could have easily spent that and more for copies, etc, especially with the $7 per cert and $1 each page. Hopefully, you will have a husband or 2nd party with you that you can kinda boss around. Like, "look in that ledger/book for ?" and "make me a copy of this." Take you a month to go thru all the goodies when you return home. There are other places in Carlinville to see and do but for one day of research the above is what I would advise if you have a list of research which needs to be done. Maybe some others can throw some different suggestions out for your day of research in Carlinville. For area touring, visit Carlinville Community Chamber of Commerce site at: http://www.carlinville.com and Town-Square at: http://www.town-square.net/ Waterloo - no help. St Louis - I have never researched there but I have been told there is a Library which holds all the immigration and passenger lists on microfilm in the basement. And, think I am sure there is a NARA outpost there. Hopefully, someone else can help you on those other cities. Or work your way from http://www.usgenweb.net/ to states and counties and see what they might have on their main page. Good Luck. Gloria Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:17:10 -0400 From: "A Thyme To Plant Herb Farm, Inc." <102736.1007@compuserve.com> To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <199809081019_MC2-58B5-B507@compuserve.com> Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Help Requested Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I will be making a trip to IL the latter part of this month, to visit my brother in a Nursing Home there. I will have a very limited time for research. I hope to spend a day in Carlinville, one in Waterloo, and one in St. Louis. Most of my research has been done by computer, visiting the local FHC, and the VA State Library. So, you might say I'm a novice. My question: Would you advise me as to how I might best utilize my time in each place? In other words, to make every minute count, which resources should take priority? Any help would be deeply appreciated. Thanks, Marianne/VA ------------------ Gloria Frazier I am researching these surnames and more I can't remember: Adcock/Baseye/Carter/Coverdill/Hays/Hord/Nash/Oller/Richards/Shipp/S utton/Thrasher/Warren/Wingo Oh, I remember. My husband's lines, Frazier/Morrison/Ragland/Upton/Hamilton and

Is the Fall Festival this weekend at Macoupin Co. Historical Society? Or do I have the dates mixed up? Just talked to a member/helper last week and believe that is what she told me. I have a brochure that states the hours: May thru December - Every Wednesday 10a - 2p June, July, August - Every Sunday 1p - 5 p So looks like the Sunday's are not open, its Sept. Could have changed the days/hours since then? There is a genealogy room there and it does have lots of records, Co. Histories, etc.. It does cost to tour the home, per this brochure $1.00 over 16..but remember this brochure isn't new. In other words, to get to the Genealogy room you pay to tour the house. But it is worth more than $1.00 or was to me at least. Mary Ann STEWART Family Home Page <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/a/y/Mary-Ann--Kaylor/ On Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:20:46 -0500 Aaron Shipley <ashipley@karmak.com> (by way of Lyle & Rindy Fuchs) writes: > > Dear all >I am pretty sure the other day the museum is open is Wed. as my mother >in >law workd out there on Wed mornings and is always helping someone. >Could be >wrong but i know she is there on that day >rindy > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from ILMACOUP-L-request@rootsweb.com, send a message to > > ILMACOUP-L-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. AOL requires >a >subject line. > > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >Proofreaders Needed **** Proofreaders Needed **** Proofreaders >Needed > >"We can use 1850 Census proofreaders. If you can proofread, please >request scanned sheets from Larry Clark <Larry.Clark@earthling.net> >He will email pages in jpeg format and send instructions. Thanks to >anyone who can help." > >To look at 1850 Macoupin County, IL census - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/1850census/index.htm > > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Marianne wrote: I hope to spend a day in Carlinville, one in Waterloo, and one in St. Louis. Hi there! Aaron Shipley wrote: I can offer some assistance from a Carlinville perspective. 3. There is also the Macoupin County Historical Society (and museum) (217-854-2850) that is staffed with volunteers. I believe that they are open on Sunday afternoons and also one day during the week (call them to verify). You can also call them and see if a volunteer would be willing to meet you there on other days. I haven't been there for research (it's a neat old house with lots of historical information) but I understand they have records available for viewing that are not available anywhere else. Their people are very friendly and helpful. I hope this helps you. Aaron Shipley ashipley@karmak.com Dear all I am pretty sure the other day the museum is open is Wed. as my mother in law workd out there on Wed mornings and is always helping someone. Could be wrong but i know she is there on that day rindy ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from ILMACOUP-L-request@rootsweb.com, send a message to ILMACOUP-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. AOL requires a subject line.

Hi All, I really think that the Macoupin Co. Historical Society has a wealth of information. If I recall correctly, they have a room upstairs with lots of books, scrapbooks, and stuff, and maybe an unfinished room that appears to have dozens of old "registeres" of some sort. When I was there, my husband just groined when I found the "book room" and we really did not have the time to spend there. I did not find anything useful for my family, but then I hardly touched the surface. However, as I do not believe much is cataloged, or indexed, it could be very time consuming. Maybe save for last? I would plan to stop in the town that your ancestors are from. Mine are from Mt. Olive, and Ed (oh, his last name escapes me at the momment) is the Grandson of the undertaker that buried my Gr.Grandmother (and, of course, has all the records, which, sigh, are not too complete for 1912). He also has the horse drawn hearse (in perfect condition) that would have carried my Gr.Grandmother to her final resting place. Ed also was kind enough to go out to the cemetery with us and show us the exact location of my ancestors graves (unmarked). As he walked the plot (they are large, perhaps for about 12 graves) and told me that there were two, maybe three graves on the plot. I later found out that there were three, two adults and a infant. Also, the old church records were a gold mine for me. One church had a book of pictures of all the confirmation classes, complete with the names underneath. Pastor was kind enough to photocopy for me the ones that had my relatives on it (1908 - 1913). Of course, we left a generous donation before we left. It was there, at one of the churches, that they had a buriel record book, and although the church secretary either could not get into the safe, or it was unavailable for some reason, she did send me a photocopy of the page shortly there after. And that is where I discovered the three people buried at the cemetery. I have been twice to Macoupin County for research and I have truly fallen in love with the area. Also, the court house has, at least some, of the original "applications for marriage" that have the names and ages of the bride and groom, their parents, where they were born, etc. I think they are in some of those little boxes way up near the ceiling, if you can sweet talk somebody into retreiving them for you. While I was there, one of the ladies came to me with my gr.grandmothers, and asked "would this help you?". I could have kissed her. Help? It was exactly what I was hoping to find. But oh what a let down when I got home and discovered that the area they were from was now part of Russia, no records have been filmed, and getting records are next to impossible. VBSigh!! Sharon B.

Marianne wrote: I will be making a trip to IL the latter part of this month, to visit my brother in a Nursing Home there. I will have a very limited time for research. I hope to spend a day in Carlinville, one in Waterloo, and one in St. Louis. Most of my research has been done by computer, visiting the local FHC, and the VA State Library. So, you might say I'm a novice. My question: Would you advise me as to how I might best utilize my time in each place? In other words, to make every minute count, which resources should take priority? Any help would be deeply appreciated. Hi there! I can offer some assistance from a Carlinville perspective. 1. The Macoupin County Courthouse (217-854-3214) will allow you to sit and browse their index books of death/birth/marriage records. The people are helpful but you are pretty much on your own there. They will allow you to see the original birth/death/marriage records and will make you photocopies for $7.00 each. They are open from 8:00am to 4:00pm Monday thru Friday. 2. The Carlinville public Library (217-854-3505) has a "Special Collections Room" that has microfile/microfiche readers and usually in the mornings has someone to assist available. They also have several cemetery and family reference books available. It's a new library building and is really quite nice. Their hours of operation are: Sunday 1:00-4:00 (new hours) Monday thru Thursday 10:00am - 8:00pm Friday and Saturday 9:00 - 5:00 3. There is also the Macoupin County Historical Society (and museum) (217-854-2850) that is staffed with volunteers. I believe that they are open on Sunday afternoons and also one day during the week (call them to verify). You can also call them and see if a volunteer would be willing to meet you there on other days. I haven't been there for research (it's a neat old house with lots of historical information) but I understand they have records available for viewing that are not available anywhere else. Their people are very friendly and helpful. I hope this helps you. Aaron Shipley ashipley@karmak.com

A cousin of mine is going into a nursing home and is selling her estate. She has a copy of the book on the Family of Edward Crawford 1788-1988 and would like to sell it. It is concentrated on the descendants who lived in or passed through Macoupin Co. Illinois, with eventual concentrations in Illinois, Missouri, Oregon, Texas and Tennessee. I've used mine a great deal. The book contains 372 pages, and there are over 4,000 descendants listed. The book is no longer in print and all the original copies have been sold. The price is $30, plus postage. Lisa Hunt Rawlings