Hi Don, Please reread my reply to Connie, below, for the source. The book was reprinted by the Macoupin Co. Historical Society, and combined as one book. I bought a copy of the book my first visit to Macoupin Co. >From the 1875 Atlas W. D. Reader, Western Mound, Sec. 24, 230 acres. Adjoining this land, to the North, is: G. W. Reader, Western Mound, Sec. 13, 80 acres. The house appears to be on the half-section line, toward the East. Interestingly, adjoining W. D. Reader land directly to the West is a small piece shown as owned by J. H., 40 acres. There is no church shown anyplace close. Only Church is in Sec. 32, about six miles away. The 1893 - 4 Plat shows: John Hagaman, Western Mound, Sec. 24, 267 acres. This plat includes the 40 acres owned by J. H. in the 1875 book, as well as the Reader land. G. W. Reader has the same piece of land, Sec. 13, but it is now 75 acres. There is now a small village on the S.E. corner of Georges land, named READER (probably accounts for the 5 acres, Grin.). The other half of the village is on the S. W. corner of S. N. Browns land which is just East of Georges (also 75 acres). Just to the West of Georges land is another 109 acres owned by John Hagaman. BTW, there is a house of each of Johns lands. There is now a Church in Sec. 3, but no cemetery shown. What was a Church is now shown as a cemetery in Sec. 33, right on the TWP line. Very close is a school. There are a couple of cemetery's in Bird TWP that are probably closer. Land records I suggested are are records at the Court House recorders office. This info pretty much gives you a legal description of the property, making searching quite easy. There are no Readers listed in the Historical Directory (they probably had to pay to be in that). But there are these two: Hagaman, John, Farmer and Stock Raiser, Western Mound Twp., Sec 13, Post Office, Hagaman, Nativity KY, Came to County 1856. Hagaman, J. J., Farmer and Stock Raiser, West. Mound Twp., Sec. 13, Postoffice Reader, Nativity IL, Came to County 1869. Sharon Buethner Who wishes she lived closer than 1100 miles (each way). > > Sharon wrote: > > > > Hi Connie, > > > > This may be of some help. > > > > PLAT BOOK of Macoupin Co. Illinois, 1893-4 > > > > Historical Directory > > Lists: > > > SNIP > > However, the 1875 Atlas shows the first one as owned by T. L. > SNIP > > The 1875 Atlas also shows the Church/Cem in Sec. 20 as Meth. > > Ch./Cem. > > > > Maybe the land records would give more information. > Hi Sharon, > Could you please do a similar look-up for any READER entries in Western Mound > township? I know that my g-grandfather George W. READER (1847-1930) owned land > there, but I am not sure how much and which sections. His father Paschal L. > READER (1812-1876) had entered land from the government in the 1830's and may > have bought more privately and I want to compare that to what might have been > the extent of family holdings in the post Civil War era. Also, John HAGAMAN was > G.W.'s brother-in-law and he bought some of the READER land from the family > after Paschal's death. My grandfather, Ernest READER, was born in 1890 so I am > especially interested in the location of his father's house. > > What land records are you referring to? The only thing that I could find on-line > just shows the original federal land sales, and not later private transfers. > > Don Reader > St. Louis, MO > > e-mail: readerd@storz.com

Gloria wrote: > I have searched the NAIL system. They are adding more all the time. > But they are adding my Adcock criminals. Well, maybe that was one > criminal listed a few times. > > http://www.nara.gov/nara/nail.html > Gloria, Since you have "criminals" in your line, have you checked out or are you already a member of the International Black Sheep Society of Genealogists? This is a mail list and organization (I use the term loosely) "which includes all those who have a dastardly, infamous individual of public knowledge and ill-repute in their family...within 1 degree of consanginuity of their direct lines. This individual must have been pilloried in disgrace for acts of a significantly anti-social nature." A further explanation yields more information (and chuckles): ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you have discovered in your family lines an individual who has been ostracised from the family, or society for acts that are not acceptable in polite society, then you may qualify for membership in the IBSSG. (If the person was married to a direct ancestor that also qualifies.) This individual must have been in disgrace for acts of a significantly anti- social nature. Weirdness counts. The public knowledge of these circumstances enhances the possibilty of finding more about these ancestors. Living individuals should not be mentioned by name or should have an "alias" to protect their privacy. Acts of automatic qualification are: Murder Kidnapping Armed Robbery Treason Theft of any item of fame Membership in a famous gang, well documented Political Assassin Member of the FBI's Most Wanted List Political Expatriate Extreme Public Embarrassment Involvement in Witchcraft Trials Bigamy (outside the Mormon faith, which condoned it at one time) Persons expelled from normal society Convicted felons (documented) Self Qualification is not acceptable for the individual must be in the ancestrial lines. Documented and declared members may append the letters IBSSG after their names in all Genealogy correspondence. DUES: There currently are none Multiple memberships are authorized, Qualifying representative ancestors must meet all membership requirements. NEW MEMBERS: all qualified members are authorized to recruit and certify new members, upon declaration of qualification in any public forum of genealogy, such as a website, Chat room specifically for genealogy, or any other genealogically oriented public forum. Posting of membership should be made to BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com (after subscribing) and if you feel your story is significant and don't mind, it may be posted on our web page. There is no charge for the membership on the mailing list, and postings are open to all list members without regard to membership status in the IBSSG. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Their website where I found this is at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~blksheep/index.html You can also search their digest by going to: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Unfortunately I found no hits for "Adcock". I might qualify myself since my 2g-grandfather, Paschal READER, was arrested in Macoupin County for pro-Southern activites during the Civil War and held in prison until he signed a parole. For more information on this see: ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/il/macoupin/misc/reader.txt Also, Paschal's grandfather, Robert READER stole 100 pounds from his father's bank account to leave England about 1770 and to get started in Virgina. 100 pounds was probably grand larceny back then. Of course, the money was probably due him anyway. He had asked his father for his share of the inheritance a little early <grin> so he could leave England and start a new life in America and his father refused. His father's own words were, "That Bob, he is a cunning dog!" I would love to hear about your "Adcock criminals". How many other Macoupin County Black Sheep are there? Don Reader St. Louis, MO e-mail: readerd@storz.com

Connie, It's hard to tell with a common name like John Smith, but a correspondent of mine sent me this regarding Jeremiah Odle: About 1834, settled Bird, Macoupin, IL with Isaac Moore, Mace Moore & John Smith, Ref: 1879 History of Macoupin County page 136 My correspondent/source was Mike Louden - mlouden@online.dct.com Sharon Buethner wrote: > Hi Connie, > > This may be of some help. > > PLAT BOOK of Macoupin Co. Illinois, 1893-4 > > Historical Directory > Lists: > > SMITH, John D. Farmer, Barr TWP, Sec. 14, Post Office > Barr's Store, Nativity - Tenn, When came to Co. 1888. > > The map of Barr TWP show "Res of J.D. Smith" and it appears to > be on a piece of land owned by G. James (who lived in Sec. 23, > about a mile and a half, as the crow flies, from Smith Res.). > > There is a Church and a School in Sec. 12 > Barr's Store is in Sec. 9, abt 2 miles from Res. > There is a Church and Cemetery in Sec. 20 (Cemetery is on the > Section line between Sec 20 & Sec 21. Abt. 3 miles from Res.) > > There is R. L. Smith, 109 acres Sec. 6, Barr TWP > William M. Smith, 141 acres, Sec. 7, Barr TWP > However, the 1875 Atlas shows the first one as owned by T. L. > Smith (88 acres) and the second, as W. M. Smith (141 acres) so > these may be different from yours. No J. D. Smith was found in the > 1875. > The 1875 Atlas also shows the Church/Cem in Sec. 20 as Meth. > Ch./Cem. > > Maybe the land records would give more information. > > Sharon Buethner > > > I am doing this for a friend. James M. Smith was found in Barr Twp in the 1900 Macoupin county census with son Wm. O. and father John D. She has a funeral card for Mrs. Amy Smith dated 1895. Would anyone know anything about these people. Need cemetery records for the area to find when James and > John died, where they are buried and if Amy is James's wife. > > Thanks > > Connie > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Difference between ILMACOUP-L and ILMACOUP-L: > ILMACOUP-L mailing list allows you to receive every posting made to ILMACOUP as a separate email. > ILMACOUP-D mailing list allows you to receive several postings as a single large message. -- Michael Odle perkodle@execpc.com Post-Polio Resource Group of Southeastern Wisconsin http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/4760/ pprg@geocities.com Genealogy: Looking for ODLE, CRONIGER, PARNELL, WEAVER, BATES, CONLEY, and HEFLEY in central IL, TN, KY, NC, and PA.

Sharon wrote: > > Hi Connie, > > This may be of some help. > > PLAT BOOK of Macoupin Co. Illinois, 1893-4 > > Historical Directory > Lists: > SNIP > However, the 1875 Atlas shows the first one as owned by T. L. SNIP > The 1875 Atlas also shows the Church/Cem in Sec. 20 as Meth. > Ch./Cem. > > Maybe the land records would give more information. > > Sharon Buethner Hi Sharon, Could you please do a similar look-up for any READER entries in Western Mound township? I know that my g-grandfather George W. READER (1847-1930) owned land there, but I am not sure how much and which sections. His father Paschal L. READER (1812-1876) had entered land from the government in the 1830's and may have bought more privately and I want to compare that to what might have been the extent of family holdings in the post Civil War era. Also, John HAGAMAN was G.W.'s brother-in-law and he bought some of the READER land from the family after Paschal's death. My grandfather, Ernest READER, was born in 1890 so I am especially interested in the location of his father's house. What land records are you referring to? The only thing that I could find on-line just shows the original federal land sales, and not later private transfers. Don Reader St. Louis, MO e-mail: readerd@storz.com

Hi Connie, This may be of some help. PLAT BOOK of Macoupin Co. Illinois, 1893-4 Historical Directory Lists: SMITH, John D. Farmer, Barr TWP, Sec. 14, Post Office Barr's Store, Nativity - Tenn, When came to Co. 1888. The map of Barr TWP show "Res of J.D. Smith" and it appears to be on a piece of land owned by G. James (who lived in Sec. 23, about a mile and a half, as the crow flies, from Smith Res.). There is a Church and a School in Sec. 12 Barr's Store is in Sec. 9, abt 2 miles from Res. There is a Church and Cemetery in Sec. 20 (Cemetery is on the Section line between Sec 20 & Sec 21. Abt. 3 miles from Res.) There is R. L. Smith, 109 acres Sec. 6, Barr TWP William M. Smith, 141 acres, Sec. 7, Barr TWP However, the 1875 Atlas shows the first one as owned by T. L. Smith (88 acres) and the second, as W. M. Smith (141 acres) so these may be different from yours. No J. D. Smith was found in the 1875. The 1875 Atlas also shows the Church/Cem in Sec. 20 as Meth. Ch./Cem. Maybe the land records would give more information. Sharon Buethner > I am doing this for a friend. James M. Smith was found in Barr Twp in the 1900 Macoupin county census with son Wm. O. and father John D. She has a funeral card for Mrs. Amy Smith dated 1895. Would anyone know anything about these people. Need cemetery records for the area to find when James and John died, where they are buried and if Amy is James's wife. > Thanks > Connie

Does anyone have any info on Alfred Lisle and wife Caroline? They were listed in the 1860 census for Macoupine County.Their daughters were Elizabeth b. @1855 and Margaret b. @1858. Caroline was the widow of Leroy Overstreet (1812-1849) Nancy ncook@jps.net http://www.jps.net/ncook/index.html

Does anyone has info on Salathiel Releford listed on the 1900 Macoupin County census with wife Tabitha J. and stepdaughter Kittie Blakeman? Thanks. Connie

I am doing this for a friend. James M. Smith was found in Barr Twp in the 1900 Macoupin county census with son Wm. O. and father John D. She has a funeral card for Mrs. Amy Smith dated 1895. Would anyone know anything about these people. Need cemetery records for the area to find when James and John died, where they are buried and if Amy is James's wife. Thanks Connie

Jack Cox wrote: > Has anyone bought or used the Patriot List CD furnished by the Sons of > the American Revolution? No > Is it worth the purchase price? If you believe that an ancestor was in the Revolution, first try the DAR list; it is likely in the local library. The SAR and DAR lists are probably not exactly alike but it is worth a look. I first found my ancestor's brother on the DAR list which made me look further.If you are trying to "prove up" you'll need another approach. Tom

Has anyone bought or used the Patriot List CD furnished by the Sons of the American Revolution? Is it worth the purchase price?

Mar Garsh, this is November, isn't it? Somehow it managed to stay in my inbox. I have searched the NAIL system. They are adding more all the time. But they are adding my Adcock criminals. Well, maybe that was one criminal listed a few times. http://www.nara.gov/nara/nail.html Then there are some of my Adcock Indians. Well, you know how Mom or someone said there is Indian blood in our line and she wouldn't give me a clue besides "look at that picture, you can tell there is Indian in her/him." Then all of the relatives ask you if you have heard that there was Cherokee, or some other 5 tribes in our bloodline..... and you don't even know how to start to find them........None of my squaws had last names. Good luck with your searches. gf >Reply-To: <cindyldq@midwest.net> >From: "cindy leonard" <cindyldq@midwest.net> >To: <smckenzi@midwest.net> >Cc: <glofra@townsqr.com> >Subject: FYI - #1 >Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:15:12 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 > >From "The Family Tree" by The Odom Library, P.O. Box 2828, Moultrie, GA >31776-2828 > >DAWES ROLLS ARE ON THE INTERNET! The American Indians who were accepted on >the final rolls of the Five Civilized Tribes as members of the Cherokee, >Seminole and Creek tribes - those 50,000 more or less people - can now be >searched on the Internet. The records of the Choctaw and Chickasaw have >not been entered, but it is reported that they will be completed soon. >The record was produced for members of the Dawes Commission from 1898 to >1914 in Indian Territory (now Oklahoma). It was required that each person >applying had to prove their ancestry and their tribal affiliation. The >evidentiary documents are included in the case files of all those who did >apply which is a wonderful source of information for today's genealogists. >The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) has a NARA Archival >Information Locator (NAIL), which is an interactive database on a wide >variety of NARA's holdings. This source is updated weekly. >http://www.nara.gov/nara/nail.html >

Don Reader wrote: > I am trying to find information about the Wright Brothers. snip > I have not yet found any documentation regarding this elsewhere. I'd also like to know more about their adventure. snip > Chanute, > another aviation pioneer, who lived in Chicago. Ah ha, I always wondered how that Air Force base got its name. > While not strictly genealogy, these events could have touched on the lives of > our Macoupin County ancestors so I thought there might be some interest. If > anyone knows more please let me know. Also on a Macoupin county aviation history note: My grandmother and my Dad told me of Charles Lindbergh flying over their farm in Shipman township almost every day. Seems Mr. Lindbergh used "Mark I" eyeball for terrain following / navigation in those early days of "airmail" service. He often tipped his wings and waved at my relatives. My two cents and questions. Tom Bunt

I am trying to find information about the Wright Brothers. According to info in the Western Mound section of the 1979 book, "The Story of Macoupin County", they came to Macoupin County around 1900, staying the winter in Hagaman. They had come up from Alton to ask the Hagaman general store owner, C.C. Robinson about investing in their work of inventing an airplane, which he did not do. Why they were in Alton in the first place is another question. According to the story, the Wrights spent the winter in a back room of another store building in Hagaman and spent their time hunting and trapping, and studying the flight of birds. They possibly spent another winter there as well. I have not yet found any documentation regarding this elsewhere. The bios on the Wrights which I can find on the web gloss over this period, beginning in detail with the spring of 1900 when they began corresponding with Octave Chanute, another aviation pioneer, who lived in Chicago. That summer they flew their first glider at Kitty Hawk and the rest is, well, history. However, what happened before in their private lives is somewhat murky. While not strictly genealogy, these events could have touched on the lives of our Macoupin County ancestors so I thought there might be some interest. If anyone knows more please let me know. Thanks, Don Reader St. Louis, MO e-mail: readerd@storz.com

>Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 16:07:15 -0700 >From: Heidi E. Hafner <hehafner@micron.net> >Subject: US settlement map site >To: WARREN-L@rootsweb.com > >I received this from another List... I hope you enjoy it.. > >Map of the US which unfolds to show how the country was settled. >It's neat to watch. > >http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/Animation/us.gif

>Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 10:49:28 -0800 >From: Linda Lewis <cityslic@ix.netcom.com> > >The following census images have been uploaded to the USGenWeb Archives: > >Georgia >Haralson County 1860 >Haralson County 1870 >Oglethorpe County 1830 >Oglethorpe County 1840 > >Illinois: >Dewitt County 1860 > >Indiana >Pike County 1820 >Pike County 1830 >Pike County 1840 >Pike County 1850 >Pike County 1860 > > >Kentucky: >Bracken County 1880 > >Michigan: >Shiawassee County 1850 > >Mississippi: >Choctaw County 1860 > >Missouri: >Howard County 1830 >Howard County 1840 >Howard County 1850 >(1860 online soon) >Howard County 1870 >Ripley County 1900 > >South Carolina: >Lancaster County 1800 >Lancaster County 1810 > >Tennessee >Gibson County 1860 >Moore County 1900 >Moore County 1910 > >These images are located in the appropriate archive_html directory, for >example: > >www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ss/cccccccc/census > >or go to the county TOC from: > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb > >If anyone wants to volunteer to transcribe these images for the USGenWeb >Archives Census Project, they can sign up: > >http://www.usgenweb.org/census > >Thanks to SK Publications, Rootsweb and the donors for making these >images available free online. More are coming! :) > >Linda

Hello everyone, I have been gone for a couple of months but now I am back on track again. I am wondering if any one has access to the Macoupin Co. Marriage records? I am trying to find more info on; Overstreet, William (A or R) who married Corr, Nancy (Mrs) on 12 July 1853. Mainly I need his parents' names but any info would be valuable. Hopefully, Nancy ncook@jps.net http://www.jps.net/ncook/index.html +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ OVERSTREET,Leroy 1812 KY-1849 IL->William R. O. 1835 IL-1905 MO-> Joseph Sylvester 1857 IL-1939 KS-> Walter O. 1890 KS-1967 WA-> Jesse Morgan O. 1923 Galena, KS-1980 Joplin,MO-> Nancy O., CA +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+

_ Derek, I don't know of Fondulac, IL, however there is Fond du lac, Fond du lac, Co., Wisconsin. _____________________________ >In 1860 census for Fondulac area of Illinous I would expect to find a >record of Dingledine/Dingeldein family with a George listed as child. If >any one has access to this I would be grateful for the help. > >-- >Derek Dingledine >Ontario Canada >Derek.Dingledine@sympatico.ca > >Searching for All Dingeldein/Dingledine >In USA and Canada --------------------------------------- THEFT OF WILLS Hello fellow rooters. A story in today's local news is about Theft of Wills from courthouse probate files. Since most of us at one time or another visit courthouses to find such files for our family research, I thought that some might be interested in the story. I think this news story should remind us that not only are books and important manuscripts, etc. "stolen" from genealogy libraries but also historical records are also "removed" from public records storehouses such as courthouse files. Its sad to learn, but it happens more often than we think. To view, go to: http://www.dailysouthtown.com/index/dsnews.html Then scroll to "...will thefts... If you try to access the web site after today, you will have to go to the archives through their Home Page at: <http://www.dailysouthtown.com> Happy ancestor hunting. Bob Colby Researching COLBY surname: Amesbury, MA > Henniker, NH > Pana, IL

No Dingledine/Dingeldein in 1860 Macoupin Co Census. Fondulac is a township in Tazewell County IL (Place names book has it for a Post Office so may have had a Post Office there in years past.) Copy and paste the WHOLE url (not just the link lit part) in your browser window. http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapbrowse-tbl?lat=40.69328&lon=-89.5 3707&wid=0.25&ht=0.25&mlat=40.69328&mlon=-89.53707&msym=redpin&off=C ITIES&mlabel=Fondulac+Township,+IL Can put your query here for Tazewell County. http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Il/Tazewell Tazewell Co ILGenWeb Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~iltazewe/index1.htm Lookups (didn't see an 1860 census, tho) http://www.rootsweb.com/~iltazewe/lookups.htm Gloria ------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 19:12:25 -0500 From: Derek Dingledine <Derek.Dingledine@sympatico.ca> To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <3640ED69.AAE681AE@sympatico.ca> Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] 1840 Census Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In 1860 census for Fondulac area of Illinous I would expect to find a record of Dingledine/Dingeldein family with a George listed as child. If any one has access to this I would be grateful for the help. -- Derek Dingledine Ontario Canada Derek.Dingledine@sympatico.ca Searching for All Dingeldein/Dingledine In USA and Canada

I have removed the CCHelper "new query" link from this page. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/qrymain.htm There is no longer any need to post queries to two systems. Please continue to use GenConnect to post your queries and surnames. CCHelper now has 469 messages. These messages will continue to be available and searchable as "old" queries. If you have posted a message to CCHelper, you may be hearing from me in the next few months. I will be looking for the best way to handle the "old" queries - importing or reposting them into GenConnect, resorting or indexing them manually, or just leaving them as is. If you have questions or comments, please let me know. Thanks, Eric Adcock Macoupin County ILGenWeb Coordinator

In 1860 census for Fondulac area of Illinous I would expect to find a record of Dingledine/Dingeldein family with a George listed as child. If any one has access to this I would be grateful for the help. -- Derek Dingledine Ontario Canada Derek.Dingledine@sympatico.ca Searching for All Dingeldein/Dingledine In USA and Canada