I received information about the CAMP surname the other day. As Telemachus (Thalemechus) CAMP was one of the early settlers of Macoupin, thought I should pass it on. Thought the southern 1/3 of the County might like the info? Cindy who found the burial place, Mary, etc.. and of course, for any CAMP researchers. Note Samuel Camp had six sons...one of them THALEMECHUS who came to IL. The Camp Bulletin, vol.14, No. 1, 1993 a) Ltr, dated 15 May 1894, Oxford, GA b) from HARRY CAMP to W.A. CAMP of Anniston, AL c) "my grandfather SAMUEL CAMP came from Amherst Co., VA"; "married Miss TUCKER, sister of ISAIAH TUCKER" d) SAMUEL had six sons - THADEUS, CLAUDIUS, CECILLIUS, THALEMECHUS, GERARD, SEXTUS e) THADEUS had sons REESE, SAMUEL, HENRY, JOHN, STERLING, CLARK f) CLAUDIUS, lived Warren Co., GA, died Hancock Co., GA; had sons ISAIAH, HARRY, ALFRED B. g) CECILLIUS, lived & died Putnam Co., GA; had sons WILLIAM, JOHN, HARMAN, MALCOM h) THALEMICUS moved to Illinois; SEXTUS moved to Florida i) GERARD had sons ARCHEY, CHARLES, JESSE, TUCKER, RANOLPH, SEXTUS j) grandfather SAMUEL died in Warren Co., GA, had four daughters: NANCY md BEN WILLIAMS, moved to Tuscaloosa, AL; POLLY md SIMS KELLY, moved to Randolph Co., AL; ELIZABETH md JOHN SMITH, moved to FL; LUCY md ELISHA JOHNSON, moved to KY Mary Ann

At 04:28 PM 11/9/98 -0600, Don Reader wrote: >I would love to hear about your "Adcock criminals". How many other Macoupin >County Black Sheep are there? > >Don Reader There were Adcock criminals in the NAIL search, but haven't found anything abt my direct Adcock side except for them being fighters and fined for such in Robertson Co TN. My ggggrandfather Henry Adcock was fined for fighting then I found his son, Edward, my gggrandfather, a few years later was fined for fighting. My murderers comes in my line of Shipps in Taylor Co KY. My gggrandfather died in the early 1860's so I assumed he was killed in the CW war - so noble! My brother went to Taylor Co and brought back the newspaper clipping and inquest paper abt his death. Think it was a drunken thing. But someone had threatened my gggrandfather, Thomas Shipp, with a gun, he took the gun away and hit the guy over the head with a rock. The guy lay dying. Then my gggrandfather went over by a/back of a tavern and started a fight. Another guy took a rock and hit my gggrandfather over the head. So, two guys were laying side by side dying in the morgue. Thomas' youngest son, oops, maybe a grandson of Thomas, was up for murder twice and got off both times. One time he was found not guilty. Another time he was found guilty but on appeal, the earlier jury was found to have been housed in the accusing side's relative's house so the higher court reversed the earlier decision. One I am trying to follow today is a closer kin relative of the 1930's. He was suppose to have driven a getaway car in an armed robbery. My parents were so much older than me, like the two generation thing, that I really didn't know abt this when they were living so didn't have the chance to ask, "What prison, etc?" I did find at IRAD in Spfld IL the jail pickup to be transferred to Madison Co IL on the charges. As far as I have gotten. That was in the Shipp line, too. I don't think I would talking much if it touched my life personally.......... Gloria

Thanks to all who sent directions to the courthouse and library in Carlinville. Really appreciate your help. God bless all of you and your families. Marilyn

Does anyone have information on a Charles Franklin Lair born in Macoupin County. he was born about 1867. dorothy@linkfast.com

I have some Yeargan/Yeargen criminals from Macoupin County (Carlinville). We found information on a court docket where the whole family was indicted for assault. Their son Clayton was killed. That's all I have been able to piece together of this story. Sister, Martha either died or disappeared after Clayton was murdered by a James Crawford. If anyone knows anything about this story, I would love to hear it. Mary

I am proud to be the wife of USN veteran Lyle D.Fuchs Petty Officer Second Class served 1969-1975,and the daughter of USArmy veteran Darrel L. Dunn Staff Sergeant 1950-1954 and the daughter in law of Victor H. Fuchs Private USArmy 1941-1945. A debt of gratitude to all who served and a big thanks a million. Rindy >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >To look at 1850 Macoupin County, IL census - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/1850census/index.htm

Regarding Veterens Day pride: I am proud to have served in the Air Force as a medic on C-9 Nightingale Aeromedical Evacuation Aircraft (Hospital Plane) even though technically I am not a "Veteran", since my service date falls after the "Viet Nam Era" and before the more recent qualifying conflicts (Desert Storm/Shield etc.) I am even more proud of my father, who left engineering school in 1943 to serve as a junior engineering officer on ships in the Maritime Service (Merchant Marine) during WWII and after (Marshall Plan). These ships included tankers carrying aviation gasoline to resupply aircraft carriers in the Pacific, cargo ships carrying high explosives (TNT) into the war zone, and ferrying livestock from South America to Europe to help feed the starving people and restart the agricultural economies of Eastern Europe after the war. In the war zone his ships were subject to air and submarine attack. With the cargos they carried, one hit would be enough to blow up the entire ship. While his avgas tanker was anchored (sitting duck) to support a pacific island landing, one of their sister ships took a direct hit from a Kamikaze and then blew up and sank in seconds with all hands on board. No survivors. There is a new memorial to "vetererans" of the Merchan Marine being dedicated in St. Louis today. And of course my grandfather, Ernest READER, who grew up in Western Mound township and enlisted (at 27) in the U.S. Army to fight in Europe in WWI. He served in Company C of the 9th Signal Battalion, U.S. Army Signal Corps, according to the document which accompanies his Purple Heart, given for wounds received in action in France in 1918 (shrapnel in his leg). He also had a campaign medal and the French Crosse de Guerre. Grandpa was promoted to Sergeant in the field, but for some reason, which he never talked about, was busted back to private while recuperating at an Army hospital in France. I remember asking Grandpa if he still had his uniform but he said that the moths got it years ago and Grandma made a planter out of his helmet and it rusted away! Happy Veteran's Day! Don Reader St. Louis, MO e-mail: readerd@storz.com

Yep Gloria, I'm also proud to be a US Navy Veteran. Henry in Colorful Colorado 2johansens@prodigy.net USN STG-2 USS Nicholas DD-214 ---------- > Proud to be a Navy Veteran and even prouder of the Victor Hickens > who served on the Normandy Beaches - on the FRONT. > Remembering those cadence songs...... > > If your proud, lets hear it!! > > Gloria Frazier > USN ETN3

From: "Kim Hochmuth" <klh@fnbnet.net> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:20:16 -0600 I am proud of my father, Frederick J. Hochmuth, who was a young, scrawny boy from Macoupin County that turned into a fine man after serving twenty years in US Navy. He went wherever there was trouble and endured the hardships of being away from his family for almost three years at a time. I am also proud of my mother, who had never lived outside of Staunton, and yet she was able to move to strange places towing three children. She often had to do this alone as my father was often aboard ship. I am also very proud of my great uncle Reno Martini who gave his life in the Battle of the Bulge. Thanks to all service members that made today such a blessing. Kim (Tx.)

Take I-55 north to exit 60, this is IL Rte 108. Go west (right turn) , this will take you to Carlinville. Continue on 108 into town and you will pass the courthouse on the right (north). One block past the courthouse turn right (north), this will take you to the "square", go halfway around the square and continue on north, until you come to a stoplight with a "Hardees" on the right and a "Fanco" to the left. The Library is across the street from "Hardees". Plenty of parking at the library, but around the courthouse, parking is very crowded at some time periods. Hope this is clear enough. Wayne mhinton@ctnet.net whinton@litchfieldil.com http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/3564 -----Original Message----- From: duncan1 <duncan1@peaknet.net> To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com <ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 3:28 PM Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Carlinville >Hi, >Can anyone tell me how to get to the Carlinville library and Courthouse >from Belleville. Would be coming up 55. Just found out that there is a >deed from my gggrandmother's father to her and her husband. Have been >trying to link this family for years and want to get a copy of the deed. >Also, understand that there is a genealogical library there. Would >appreciate help ASAP as am planning a trip real soon. >Thanks, >Marilyn > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >Please send questions, comments and ideas for the Macoupin County, ILGenWeb Home Page and Mail List to: >Eric Adcock, Macoupin County, IL GenWeb Coordinator - eadcock@dave-world.ne >Kathleen Mirabella, Macoupin County, ILGenWeb Mail List Manager - KathieMir@aol.com > >

Gloria Frazier wrote: > Proud to be a Navy Veteran and even prouder of the Victor Hickens > who served on the Normandy Beaches - on the FRONT. > > Remembering those cadence songs...... > > If your proud, lets hear it!! > > Gloria Frazier > USN ETN3 Yes, I'm proud of my eight years of Air Force duty but today always make me a little sad for my friends and acquaintances who had the misfortune to disappear into Southeast Asia and, if they reappeared, received little, or no, recognition. I'll go put our flag out. Tom

I need help locating a list of all known cemeteries in Macouplin County and what ceneteries are in Bunker Hill. Your help will be most appricated. I want to thank you for your time and reply. Have a nice day. Otto K. Land

In a message dated 11/10/98 10:19:27 PM Central Standard Time, glofra@townsqr.com writes: << If your proud, lets hear it!! >> I made this up and it is featured on this month's Genealogy Forum Newsletter, if you would like to visit. <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/MousyMimi/veterans.htm">veterans</A> Pam

I am proud....proud of my brother who fought in WWII and all the veterans who have so unselfishly help to protect our good old USA. Copied this from another List, it says it all! Mary Ann >>> WHAT IS A VET? >>> Some veterans bear visible signs of their service: a missing limb, a jagged scar,a certain look in the eye. Others may carry the evidence inside them: a pin holding a bone together, a piece of shrapnel in the leg - or perhaps another sort of inner steel: the soul's ally forged in the refinery of adversity. Except in parades, however, the men and women who have kept America safe wear no badge or emblem. >>You can't tell a vet just by looking. What is a vet? >> He is the cop on the beat who spent six months in Saudi Arabia sweating two gallons a day making sure the armored personnel carriers didn't run out of fuel. He is the barroom loudmouth, dumber than five wooden planks, whose overgrown frat-boy behavior is outweighed a hundred times in the cosmic scales by four hours of exquisite bravery near the 38th parallel. >>> She - or he - is the nurse who fought against futility and went to >>> sleep sobbing every night for two solid years in Da Nang. >>> He is the POW who went away one person and came back another - or >>> didn't come back AT ALL. >>> He is the Quantico drill instructor who has never seen combat - but has saved countless lives by turning, slouchy hill-billy rednecks and no -account gang members into Marines, and teaching them >>> to watch each other's backs. >>> He is the parade - riding Legionnaire who pins on his ribbons and >>> medals with a prosthetic hand. >>> He is the career quartermaster who watches the ribbons and medals >>> pass him by. >>> He is the three anonymous heroes in The Tomb Of The Unknowns, whose presence at the Arlington National Cemetery must forever preserve the memory of all the anonymous heroes whose valor dies unrecognized with them on the battlefield or in the ocean's sunless deep. >>> He is the old guy bagging groceries at the supermarket - palsied now and aggravatingly slow - who >>> helped liberate a Nazi death camp and who wishes all day long that his wife were still alive to hold him when the nightmares come. >>> He also was my father, your father, grandfather, husband, brother, uncle, cousin, and yes, all the females who bravely served and are serving their country, for OUR freedom . >>> He is an ordinary and yet an extraordinary human being - a person who offered some of his life's most vital years in the service of his country, and who sacrificed his ambitions so others would not have to sacrifice theirs. >>> He is a soldier and a savior and a sword against the darkness, and he is nothing more than the finest, greatest testimony on behalf of the finest, greatest nation ever known. >>> So remember, each time you see someone who has served or is serving our country, just lean over and say "Thank You." That's all most people need, and in most cases it will mean more than any medals they could have been awarded or were awarded. >>> Two little words that mean a lot, "THANK YOU". >>> Remember: November 11th is Veterans Day On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:16:36 -0600 Gloria Frazier <glofra@townsqr.com> writes: >Proud to be a Navy Veteran and even prouder of the Victor Hickens >who served on the Normandy Beaches - on the FRONT. > >Remembering those cadence songs...... > >If your proud, lets hear it!! > >Gloria Frazier >USN ETN3 > > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >Macoupin County Books that may be of interest: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_pubook.htm >Macoupin County Books and Cemetery Listings for sale: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_bksale.htm > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Proud to be a Navy Veteran and even prouder of the Victor Hickens who served on the Normandy Beaches - on the FRONT. Remembering those cadence songs...... If your proud, lets hear it!! Gloria Frazier USN ETN3

Hi, Can anyone tell me how to get to the Carlinville library and Courthouse from Belleville. Would be coming up 55. Just found out that there is a deed from my gggrandmother's father to her and her husband. Have been trying to link this family for years and want to get a copy of the deed. Also, understand that there is a genealogical library there. Would appreciate help ASAP as am planning a trip real soon. Thanks, Marilyn

Sharon, Noticed the help you gave another from the PLAT BOOK of Macoupin Co. Illinois, 1893-4 Historical Directory and the 1875 Atlas. I would appreciate any help you (or others) could give me on John P. LONEY and his family. He was married twice, to a Rebecca and then to a Harriett, maiden names for both unknown. He had three daughters from each (Susan, Clara M., Sarah A., Erma A., Alace L., Amie/Amy), between 1864 & 1896. John died 29 May 1922 and was buried in Virden City Cemetery. I have been unable to obtain more information on his parents (Enos & Sarah (PLUM) LONEY) who resided in Jersey untill the 1855 IL state census. I am very much interested in any information on Johns two wives and on his six daughters - who they married etc. Thank you, Henry in Colorful Colorado 2johansens@prodigy.net

Hubbard Parnell's California Dream http://www.execpc.com/~perkodle/parnell.htm "Hubbard Parnell's past was always a bit mysterious. Many of his descendants believed that he had been born in Ireland, but this was not true. In fact, he was born May 7, 1859, in Salisbury, Rowan County, North Carolina. He was the fourth child of William Parnell (1819/25- 1873) and Rosetta Swink (1826-1871). . . " If you are interested in the rest of the story, please visit my new genealogy page. It should be of especial interest to those tracing lines in Rowan Co., NC; Macoupin Co., IL; and for the surnames of PARNELL and CONLEY. http://www.execpc.com/~perkodle/parnell.htm Your comments are welcome. Let me know how the page looks on your browser, what you would like to see added, etc. Thanks for checking this out. Michael Odle perkodle@execpc.com http://www.execpc.com/~perkodle/parnell.htm Post-Polio Resource Group of Southeastern Wisconsin http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/4760/ pprg@geocities.com Genealogy: Looking for ODLE, CRONIGER, PARNELL, WEAVER, BATES, CONLEY, and HEFLEY in central IL, TN, KY, NC, and PA.

Does anyone have any info on William C. Crump born Nicholas Co. Kentucky June 26, 1821. Settled in North Otter, Mcoupin Co. Il. in 1834. He could possible be the Crump I am looking for. I am looking for the parents of John William Crump born 1853 in ? Married Amanda Jane Gibson possible 1889 in North Otter, Mcoupin County, Il. Any info would clear up this mystery. Thanks in advance Pauline Crump-Stewart.

Dear Sharon, Thanks for the help. I have replied to your e-mail below: > Please reread my reply to Connie, below, for the source. The book > was reprinted by the Macoupin Co. Historical Society, and > combined as one book. I bought a copy of the book my first visit to > Macoupin Co. > Sounds like a good book to get. Are they still for sale at the Historical Society and can I order by phone with a credit card? (Anyone who knows please answer) > From the 1875 Atlas > > W. D. Reader, Western Mound, Sec. 24, 230 acres. > This was William D. READER, another son of Paschal L. READER, and brother of G.W. My Grandpa called him "Uncle Billy". > Adjoining this land, to the North, is: > G. W. Reader, Western Mound, Sec. 13, 80 acres. The house > appears to be on the half-section line, toward the East. Good, that should be the house my Grandpa grew up in. I am sure it is just ruins now as a more current Plat (1983) does not show anything there. The 1863 deed had 50 more acres in section 11 but he must have sold that by 1875 if it is not shown. > > Interestingly, adjoining W. D. Reader land directly to the West is a > small piece shown as owned by J. H., 40 acres. This must be the land that John Hagaman was given (or bought?) when he married G.W.'s sister Nancy Jane READER in 1866. This was the year before Paschal died. > > There is no church shown anyplace close. Only Church is in Sec. > 32, about six miles away. The READER family attended Shiloh Baptist in Bird Township, only about 1 mile east of Reader, IL. > > The 1893 - 4 Plat shows: > > John Hagaman, Western Mound, Sec. 24, 267 acres. This plat > includes the 40 acres owned by J. H. in the 1875 book, as well as > the Reader land. > "Uncle Billy" had sold his land by 1891 as the Portrait and Biographical Record has William D. REDER (sic) as lumberyard owner in Chesterfield. > G. W. Reader has the same piece of land, Sec. 13, but it is now > 75 acres. > > There is now a small village on the S.E. corner of Georges land, > named READER (probably accounts for the 5 acres, Grin.). The > other half of the village is on the S. W. corner of S. N. Browns land > which is just East of Georges (also 75 acres). Just to the West of > Georges land is another 109 acres owned by John Hagaman. > BTW, there is a house of each of Johns lands. According to my Grandpa's memoir, Uncle John Hagaman owned 160 acres. I guess he was not counting that 109 (267-109=158). Grandpa (Ernest READER) wrote that John Hagaman rented out his houses (including some in the village) to tenant farmers. G.W. sold a few acres to the railroad for a depot (Jackson and Southeastern, which operated the Litchfield, Carrollton, and Western) According to my Grandpa the L,C,& W was known as the "Lazy, Crooked, and Weary". Another nickname according to THE STORY OF MACOUPIN COUNTY (1979) was the "Look, Cuss, and Wait" for its poorly kept schedule. > > There is now a Church in Sec. 3, but no cemetery shown. What > was a Church is now shown as a cemetery in Sec. 33, right on the > TWP line. Very close is a school. > Section 3 now has a cemetary there (Bethel Baptist) and the one in section 33 is known as the Keller Cemetary according to my "Tombstone Revelations" book (Western Mound and Bird Townships only). > There are a couple of cemetery's in Bird TWP that are probably > closer. > Correct! See above regarding Shiloh Baptist. However the READER family had a family cemetary started by Paschal in 1834 for his sister, where Paschal's parents and most of his siblings (and others) are buried. John HAGAMAN and his wife Nancy Jane HAGAMAN nee' READER (Aunt Jane) and some of their children are buried there as well. It became more or less a community cemetary and is still kept up. Ironically, Paschal himself is buried near Lancaster (Dallas Co.) TX where he died while on a visit there in 1867. However there is a large monument to him in the READER cemetary. His wife Margaret (RAFFERTY) READER is buried there as well. G.W. READER and his wife Emily (SMITH) are buried in Staunton where they lived after moving back from Clinton, MO where they had moved in 1908. > Land records I suggested are are records at the Court House > recorders office. This info pretty much gives you a legal description > of the property, making searching quite easy. > > There are no Readers listed in the Historical Directory (they > probably had to pay to be in that). Are you implying that the READER family was cheap? WE ARE! <grin> > ......................................But there are these two: > > Hagaman, John, Farmer and Stock Raiser, Western Mound Twp., > Sec 13, Post Office, Hagaman, Nativity KY, Came to County > 1856. > > Hagaman, J. J., Farmer and Stock Raiser, West. Mound Twp., > Sec. 13, Postoffice Reader, Nativity IL, Came to County 1869. > The second Hagaman is John Justen, John's son, born in 1869. Funny that Uncle John got his mail at the Hagaman post office and J.J. got his at the Reader post office. That may have been so that they would not get each other's mail. Paschal READER's father-in-law was James RAFFERTY. James' son James changed the spelling of his name to RAFFURTY to avoid the same confusion. When you consider what our ancestors had to do to get their mail, we really take daily home delivery for granted! <grin> > Sharon Buethner > Who wishes she lived closer than 1100 miles (each way). > > > I live close (about 50 miles) but my problem is time and an uninterested family who would rather be doing "fun" things on the week-end. I think it would be "fun" to visit, do research, and explore, but my vote doesn't count! <grin> Thanks again! Don Reader St. Louis, MO e-mail: readerd@storz.com