This has been a great year for me. I thank all of you for all the help and interesting messages. Even if I can't link, I read them all. I would love to be able to send individual greetings to each and every one of you and this is the only way I can. http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Andes/7969/Cook.html I hope you all have a good day and someone that you love to share it with. Nancy Cook +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Researching surnames: BRAND, COPELAND, GHENT, GIYER, HICKMAN, LANE, MORRIS, OVERSTREET, PEABODY, RUSSEL, SHAW, TYREE, +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+

Thanks so much. I really liked the poem about the dash and am going to save it and have it framed. Jim Windsor

This is the same letter that I land-mailed to several people this year. http://homepage.dave-world.net/~eadcock/misc/xmas1998.html Happy holidays, Eric Adcock Macoupin County ILGenWeb Coordinator

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Forward from another List. > >THE DASH >> >> >> >> I read of a man who stood to speak >> >> at the funeral of a friend. >> >> He referred to the dates on her tombstone >> >> from the beginning... to the end. >> >> He noted that first came the date of her birth >> >> and spoke of the following date with tears, >> >> but he said what mattered most of all >> >> was the dash between those years. >> >> For that dash represents all the time >> >> that she spent alive on earth... >> >> and now only those who loved her >> >> know what that little line is worth. >> >> For it matters not, how much we own; >> >> the cars.... the house... the cash. >> >> What matters is how we live and love >> >> and how we spend our dash. >> >> So think about this long and hard... >> >> are there things you'd like to change? >> >> For you never know how much time is left. >> >> (You could be at "dash mid-range.") >> >> If we could just slow down enough >> >> to consider what's true and real, >> >> and always try to understand >> >> the way other people feel. >> >> And be less quick to anger, >> >> and show appreciation more >> >> and love the people in our lives >> >> like we've never loved before. >> >> If we treat each other with respect, >> >> and more often wear a smile... >> >> remembering that this special dash >> >> might only last a little while. >> >> So, when your eulogy's being read >> >> with your life's actions to rehash... >> >> would you be proud of the things they say >> >> about how you spent your dash? > > >==== ILGREENE Mailing List ==== >Search this list's archived messages! >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > >

I just read in the July/August issue of the "National Genealogy Society Newsletter" an article by Claire Prechtel-Kluskens, Director of NGS called "The Nonpopulation Census Schedules: Part 1, Agriculture and Manufacturing Schedules." Here's the essence: For the years 1850, 1860, 1870, 1880 there's an additional schedule of information about farms: name of owner, manager, acres, cash value, horses, cows, mules, etc. The amount of oats, tobacco, cotton, etc. produced. (In 1850 farms that produced less than $100 worth of products were not included.) For 1820, 1850, and 1860 the manufacturing schedule reported the type of business or product, amount of capital, value of raw materials, etc. (Manufacturing operations producing less than $500 worth of goods were not included.) So, if your ancestor was on a farm, you can find out what they grew, how much, if they were making any money (or why they moved from the acres that didn't grow anything). Also, if your ancestor was manufacturing something, candles for instance, you can see how many hired hands they paid, how much, etc. The census is available from American Genealogical Library or the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, National Archives, etc. I have NOT seen this document, has anybody? If as handy as the article says, it could explain LOTS of things about ancestors, who they married, why they moved, their occupations, use your imagination. Tom in Illinois

Thanks Gloria for all your help in the past. Just joined as I use Rootsweb alot. Otto K. Land, NLand75042@aol.com

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I joined. I encourage everyone who uses the net to search for family roots to join too, if you can afford it. We can't lose this valuable resource. Jack Cox Gloria Frazier wrote: > Everyone on a very limited income, those new and young genealogy > researchers with young families or people who already give to > RootsWeb may delete this message. >

Everyone on a very limited income, those new and young genealogy researchers with young families or people who already give to RootsWeb may delete this message. For everyone else, I am begging you to listen. RootsWeb is run by a Mom and Pop operation called Brian Leverich and Karen Isaacson, husband and wife. They started RootsWeb out of the money in their pockets with the server in their home. Karen works for Rand Corp fulltime and Brian, a Phd in computers, does speaking engagements and keeps RootsWeb servers, equipment "pieced" together with whatever donations comes their way. Brian is determined to keep genealogy free on the internet. Our donations haven't been enough (about 2.5% of the users of RootsWeb sites donate) so he went out after a sponsor who wouldn't have strings attached. Palladium came across but was recently bought by the biggies, I think it was the Broderbund conglommerate - forget) and the money and equipment expected from Palladium didn't make the last payment. Soooo, Brian and Karen took out a $25,000 loan recently to keep our genealogy free out here. A thought has crossed some minds that the "biggies" are trying to break Brian and Karen down in order to get B and K to sell out to them. Brian and Karen are working to go non profit so down the road maybe some major contributions and foundation money will go their way. Brian says all involved in going non profit with an atty, etc, is mind boggling. In the meantime, RootsWeb is hurting in the financial support department. Anytime you are subscribed to a list or browse/search sites for genealogy information, note the domain in the url. Does it have rootsweb in the address? I am begging you, if you can afford it, to support the RootsWeb Genealogical Cooperative. If I have helped you in anyway with your research, would you please donate $12 or $24 to RootsWeb so we can keep all this great genealogy data on the internet free and even increase the data for users? I am doing my part by being a donor. Here is the site to learn about RootsWeb and the address to donate. http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html I know with Christmas we are all pretty well tapped out, but could you find $12 or $24 or even more by Jan? Think of those little pieces of paper with ancestors names on them that Grandpa, Grandma, Dad or Mom saved for you, how they would be flabbergasted at the time it is taking you to find a ggggrandparent by way of the internet and RootsWeb. By January, we will probably find the RootsWeb servers overloaded with all the new computers received as Christmas presents. It happens every year. A side note here - this is the best time to browse while everyone is in Wally World going crazy with shopping. Better get the browsing done now because January and the increase in people going online, it inevitably slows down. Thanks for listening and thank you to anyone who will contribute to RootsWeb. Gloria Frazier ------------------ Gloria Frazier DE>IL-Coverdill IN>IL-Hays KY>IL-Nash/Oller/Shipp KY>MO-Frazier/Morrison/Ragland/Upton/Hamilton KY>Hord TN>IL-Adcock/Carter/Sutton/Richards/Warren/Wingo TN-Baseye Thrasher

Shirley wrote (constructed?): > A few of the names I'm researching; > > * > ** > Willett > > Bilbrey Looper > > Cook Pagan Gentry > > Padgett Howard Copeland > > Robbins Winningham Reeder > > Mullins Poor Perron Sellers Albertson > Green Allred > Smith Price > > > Merry Christmas to You and Yours, > Shirley Willett. > > Shirley (and other Overton County, TN Kin), It looks like your "tree" is a little crooked! <grin> I hope that does not say anything about your family tree as well! <hee,hee,hee> I can't quite manage a "tree" for Overton Co. since my 3G-grandpa, Jeptha READER and wife Winey HARRISON, left there in 1830 for Illinois with their son Paschal and other children, although a few "branches" got left behind! <grin> Though not directly related, that I know of, I believe that some LEEs (Obediah W. and Rebecca T.), BROWNs and others made the same trip. Tthe 1850 Census in Macoupin County, IL shows quite a few as being born in TN. Paschal's sister Nancy married a Williamson (or William) BROWN. Macoupin County, IL was formed in 1829, and cheap land was available from the federal government, so many farmers left TN at that time. Was slavery an issue? I mean more economic than religious or moral, as non-slave owners would have had a hard time competing in an increasingly slavery-dependent southern agricultural economy. Another branch of the READER/REEDER family (Jeptha's brother Robert, with wife Mary "Polly" MULLINS and sons Peter, Joseph , and Thomas) left for Morgan County, IN about the same time. I guess they left for the same reasons, leaving behind another son Jehu/Jahue REEDER (married Mary Elizabeth GARRETT) as well as the descendents of Jeptha's and Robert's brother Thomas (who died in NC in 1819, but his family came on to TN). Thomas and his wife Lucy (MULLINS) READER had four children, Abisha (married Jesse ROOKER), James, William (Shirley's ancestor), and Nancy (married Jacob L. Workman). Also, Peter's son John REEDER came "back" to Overton Co. to enlist in a Union Army regiment, the 1st TN Mounted Infantry, although he was born and raised in IN. John married his cousin Emaline BARNES after the war, and remarried after she died to Lady Ann CARGILE So you see my Overton Co. kin is more of a bush than a tree! What I would like to know is: are there still any families today living in the area (or anywhere else for that matter) with the name READER or REEDER who are descendents of any of these? So far I have not found any cousins who share my surname. Any info, queries, comments, or suggestions welcome. Merry Christmas to all! Don Reader St. Louis, MO e-mail: readerd@storz.com PS - If you are a multiple list subscriber as I am, please forgive and delete the CC which I have sent to other lists.

1850 Census of Macoupin County, IL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ READER (5-6) Nancy A 67 F Pa Oliver P 37 M Ohio Farmer *Henry 20 M Ohio Farmer *Elizabeth 18 F Ill *(Married within the year) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The above is not my family, as it appears they came to Macoupin Co. from Ohio and possibly PA before that. My 2G-grandfather's family is shown below: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ REDER (possibly REEDER) ? (1-1) Paschal 37 M Ten Farmer 4800 Margaret 31 F Ky Elizabeth 10 F Ill Nancy I 8 F Ill Martha E 6 F Ill James P 4 M Ill George W 2 M Ill William D 1 M Ill GILMORE John 10 M Ill Ephram 8 M Ill REEDER Winna 73 F Va ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The "Winna" REEDER above must have been Paschal's mother Winey (HARRISON) READER. It is interesting that the census taker, spelled Paschal's name REDER, even though he must have been told that Winey was his mother. I guess that is where the "possibly REEDER" note came from. Does this mispelling mean that the other READER family might actually be REEDER or REDER? I have not seen them before. The GILLMORE boys were wards of Paschal he had taken in from their uncle after their mother died and their father left Illinois. Don Reader St. Louis, MO e-mail: readerd@storz.com

Cathy, The spelling of the name is different in the 1895 Atlas but may be the town you are looking for. TUSCOLA ( vs. TUSCELLA ) 1897 Eastern area of Douglas county. Henry in Colorful Colorado 2johansens@prodigy.net http://www.newsuccess.com/tracer.htm ---------- > Hi everyone, > > Hope I don't get flames for this but didn't know where to find out. I need to find out what county TUSCELLA,IL (spelling taken from a family bible) is in. ------------------ Nobody wants to flame you for a simple request. I also could not find a town in OH untill recently - It only existed for a short time in the 1800s.

Thank you all that sent information about my question regarding Tuscola, IL. Have a great day and happy hunting. Cathy Parnell Vance velvetcres@msn.com http://angelfire.com/ky/johnparnell researching: PARNELL, MAYS, KEMP/CAMP,COFFEY/COFFEE, LINTON, FYFE, HURTT In Ky and IL at this time.

Hi everyone, Hope I don't get flames for this but didn't know where to find out. I need to find out what county TUSCELLA,IL (spelling taken from a family bible) is in. I have not been able to locate it anywhere. Thanks so much. If you want to flame me please do it personally. Cathy Parnell Vance velvetcres@msn.com http://angelfire.com/ky/johnparnell researching: PARNELL, MAYS, KEMP/CAMP,COFFEY/COFFEE, LINTON, FYFE, HURTT In Ky and IL at this time.

Hi all, Good reading if you're into learning from historical precedents, this webpage relies heavily upon Harper's Weekly articles written over 130 years ago. Times change dramatically, but human nature is uncannily similar. The rules of the Senate during an impeachment trial are also quite edifying in our present context. <http://www.impeach-andrewjohnson.com/> BTW. "Parade" The Sunday Newspaper Magazine published a good article, December 13, 1998: "Where Have All The Small Towns Gone? By: Lamar Graham The article is too long to post and the Parade Mag. website does not have it on-line. I was surprised when the author said; ..."In Kansas, people are so scarce that more land is classified as "frontier" today than a century ago.... If you are able to get a copy of the article, I think that you will it very interesting, especially, considering that many of our ancestors moved to the midwest and started farming there more than one hundred years ago. I am sure that they thought that all of their communities would grow, prosper and thrive forever. Bob Colby

My g-grandparents were George Conley and Lillie May Hefley. Only by family "legend" do we have any idea where George's parents are from. Can anyone help me with information on William Conley and/or Anna MacAllister? Descendants of William Conley 1 William Conley b: Unknown in Dublin, Ireland (?) d: Unknown Burial: Oak Grove Cemetery, Hillsboro, Illinois . +Anna MacAllister d: Unknown Burial: Oak Grove Cemetery, Hillsboro, Illinois ........ 2 Charles G. Conley ............ +Sydney Holland ........ 2 Albert Conley b: July 29 ............ +Grace ........ 2 George Conley b: March 03, 1868 d: October 27, 1919 in Hillsboro, Montgomery Co., Illinois ............ +Lillie May Hefley b: May 21, 1874 in Irving, Illinois d: May 04, 1968 in Hillsboro, Montgomery Co., Illinois m: January 28, 1892 in Hillsboro, Montgomery Co., Illinois ........ 2 Mary Conley b: October 09, 1869 in Moro, Illinois d: January 03, 1921 in Hillsboro, Montgomery Co., Illinois Burial: Oak Grove Cemetery, Hillsboro, Illinois ............ +Sidney Hefley m: December 18, 1890 in Hillsboro, Montgomery Co., Illinois ........ 2 Anna Isabel Conley b: July 29, 1872 d: July 19, 1946 in Hillsboro, Montgomery Co., Illinois Burial: Oak Grove Cemetery - Hillsboro, Illinois ............ +William Turner Hefley b: October 09, 1869 d: May 15, 1958 in Hillsboro, Montgomery Co., Illinois m: May 21, 1891 in Hillsboro, Montgomery Co., Illinois ........ 2 Grace L. Conley b: March 27, 1883 in Irving, Illinois d: July 25, 1934 in Hillsboro, Montgomery Co., Illinois ............ +Robert B. Hefley b: February 22, 1876 d: December 13, 1964 in Hillsboro, Montgomery Co., Illinois m: January 23, 1900 in Hillsboro, Montgomery Co., Illinois ........ 2 Agnes Conley b: Bef. 1900 d: 1915 ............ +Clem Lhor ........ 2 Alec Conley b: Bef. 1900 d: 1915 ............ +Emma -- Michael Odle perkodle@execpc.com Post-Polio Resource Group of Southeastern Wisconsin http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/4760/ pprg@geocities.com Genealogy: Looking for ODLE, CRONIGER, PARNELL, WEAVER, BATES, CONLEY, and HEFLEY in central IL, TN, KY, NC, and PA.

Hi, I am the mail manager for Macoupin County, IL and thought the following may be of interest. All this means is you must become a member (no cost) of a list before you can post a message. This has always been true for Macoupin County, IL. I hope by reading the following you will better understand not only Macoupin County mail list - but - others you may also belong to. Happy Hunting, Kathie Mirabella ***************************************************************** Subj: RootsWeb Lists have been Closed Date: 98-12-14 09:10:17 EST From: twp@rootsweb.com (Tim Pierce) To: listowners-announce@rootsweb.com Hi, listowners -- This announcement is to let you know that we've just finished "closing" all of the RootsWeb lists. This means that the list server will only let you post to a mailing list if you subscribe to it. I'm sorry that this had to be done so hastily, but we didn't really have any choice. The volume of spam that was being sent through our lists had reached a phenomenal level, and I was spending most of my time on that problem rather than improving the systems. Worse, some users had begun to send spam complaints to sites that were completely unrelated to RootsWeb, but could kill our network connection if they received too many complaints. Closing the lists to subscribers became a matter of self-preservation. However, in order to make it easier on you, we've changed things to make it a little more obvious when someone who isn't a subscriber posts to your list. The list server will add the words "{not a subscriber}" to the Subject heading of their message, like this: Subject: {not a subscriber} Ancestors of John BROWN? When this happens, you can use the "bounce" or "redirect" features of your e-mail program (if such things are available) to repost this message to your list, and it should be approved for everyone to see. Or you can write to the poster and invite them to subscribe. Important to remember: some folks will subscribe to a mailing list with one e-mail address, and then try to post with another e-mail address. They don't mean any harm by this. If you notice that someone keeps trying to post to the list from an address that isn't subscribed, and you *want* his posts to be approved, you can add his address to the "accept list." To do this, follow the "Customize Settings" link from the bottom of your listowner utility page, and then choose the option to "Edit the Accept File." -- Regards, Tim Pierce RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative system obfuscator and hack-of-all-trades

> >Genealogist's Christmas Eve (Twas the night before Christmas) > >'Twas the night before Christmas >When all through the house >Not a creature was stirring, >Not even my spouse. >The dining room table with clutter was spread >With pedigree charts and with letters which said... >"Too bad about the data for which you wrote; >Sank in a storm on an ill-fated boat." >Stacks of old copies of wills and such >Were proof that my work had become too much. >Our children were nestled all snug in their beds, >While visions of sugarplums danced in their heads. >And I at my table was ready to drop >>From work on my album with photos to crop. >Christmas was here, and such was my lot >That presents and goodies and toys I'd forgot. >Had I not been busy with grandparents' wills, >I'd not have forgotten to shop for such thrills, >While others bought gifts to bring Christmas cheers, >I'd spent time researching those birthdates and years. >While I was thus musing about my sad plight, >A strange noise on the lawn gave me such a great fright. >Away to the window I flew in a flash, >Tore open the drapes and yanked up the sash. >When what with my wondering eyes should appear, >But an overstuffed sleigh and eight small reindeer. >Up to the house top the reindeer they flew, >With a sleigh full of toys and 'ole Santa Claus, too. >And then in a twinkle, I heard on the roof >The prancing and pawing of thirty-two hoofs. >As I drew in my head, and bumped it on the sash, >Down the cold chimney fell Santa--KER-RASH! >"Dear" Santa had come from the roof in a wreck, >And tracked soot on the carpet, (I could wring his short neck!) >Spotting my face, good 'ole Santa could see >I had no Christmas spirit you'd have to agree. >He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work >And filled all the stockings, (I felt like a jerk). >Here was Santa, who'd brought us such gladness and joy: >When I'd been too busy for even one toy. >He spied my research on the table all spread >"A genealogist!" He cried! (My face was all red!) >"Tonight I've met many like you," Santa grinned, >As he pulled from his sack a large book he had penned. >I gazed with amusement--the cover it read >Genealogy Lines for Which You Have Plead. >"I know what it's like as a genealogy bug." >He said as he gave me a great Santa hug. >"While the elves make the sleighful of toys I now carry, >I do some research in the North Pole Library! >A special treat I am thus able to bring, >To genealogy folk who can't find a thing." >"Now off you go to your bed for a rest, >I'll clean up the house from this genealogy mess." >As I climbed up the stairs full of gladness and glee, >I looked back at Santa who'd brought much to me. >While settling in bed, I heard Santa's clear whistle, >To his team, which then rose like the down of a thistle. >And I heard him exclaim as he flew out of sight, >"Family history is Fun! Merry Christmas! Goodnight!" > (Author Unknown) > County Coordinator & List Manager Jersey Co ILGenWeb <http://www.rootsweb.com/~iljersey/index.html>

For those who have not seen these sites . . . The following URLs list medal of honor winners in the civil war. http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/mohciv.htm http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/mohciv2.htm This URL takes you to the US Army Center of Military History http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/ The army and navy home pages are at: http://www.army.mil http:/www.navy.mil