Marriage records 1853. NO there would not be listed any information other than name of groom, bride, date of marriage, who performed marriage (minister or Justice of the Peace), and the date marriage was recorded by county clerk in county records. In some states, like Ohio (and not every county in Ohio did this), they may have also entered the ages of the married couple.If the person was from out of the county, some recorders MIGHT have added, "John (or Ida) ---- of ------ County." As Mary said if either party was under 18, there might be "consent of" someone. But the relationship was usually not stated. (YOU will have to figure it out yourself what the relationship is.) Some states were rather strict about recording the consent of so and so (Virginia & Kentucky for example) and other states (Ohio, Illinois) were very lax about recording the consents. And then there is the in-between where you find consents recorded sometimes and not at other times (Missouri). Other than the basic information required by the state (name, date, county married in, and date of record), details in marriage records seem to be entirely up to the county recorder and the paper supply. It is not until the 1880's that marriage records contained the names of the parents, places of residences, and other information. And you would be surprised how often are the columns of those questions are still left blank. My wish had been that the 1790-1840 census had listed the names of all the inhabitants of a house, not just the head of house, and that the 1850 census had listed county and state of birth, rather than just state. Nobody thought of listing everyone in a house until 1850, and no one ever thought of including the county of birth on the census. (It would have been great for genealogists dealing with movable ancestors.) Although in some very rare cases there are 1850 censuses where the COUNTY and state birthplace of everyone was listed! Starting with the 1850 census, I have heard the reason states decided to list the name of everyone, their age and their birthplace was for the health department, so that the health department could notice how diseases appeared in the population. Before 1850, names, specific ages and places of birth were not listed in census records, as the early census were more interested in a count of the population, for commercial and military purposes. Jim Windsor

In a message dated 99-01-02 16:34:27 EST, you write: << ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com My experience is that in 1883 there were no parents listed on a marriage license, but by 1894 there is parents listed. So, I would venture to say in 1853 there would not be parents listed. >> If the male is under 21 and female under 18, many times the parents give their consent. Mary

My experience is that in 1883 there were no parents listed on a marriage license, but by 1894 there is parents listed. So, I would venture to say in 1853 there would not be parents listed. Sally Peterson

In a message dated 1/1/99 6:27:12 AM Central Standard Time, ILMACOUP-D- request@rootsweb.com writes: << Corr 1853 IL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Can someone tell me how much information would be on a marriage license application for Macoupin Co. IL in 1853? Would it be worth while to purchase a copy? Would the parents of the bride and groom be listed? I am trying to find out if this William and Nancy are my gr-gr- grandparents. William A. / CORR, Nancy (Mrs) 12 July 1853 Vol 4 /Page or License 2009 / Macoupin Co. IL Thanks, Nancy Cook +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ OVERSTREET,Leroy 1812 KY-1849 IL->OVERSTREET,William R.1835 IL-1905 MO-> OVERSTREET, Joseph Sylvester 1857 IL-1939 KS-> OVERSTREET,Walter 1890 KS-1967 WA-> OVERSTREET, Jesse Morgan 1923 Galena, KS-1980 Joplin,MO-> OVERSTREET, Nancy, CA +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <ILMACOUP-D-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (rly-zc05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.5]) by air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v55.5) with SMTP; Fri, 01 Jan 1999 07:27:12 -0500 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id HAA24227; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:27:06 -0500 (EST) From: ILMACOUP-D-request@rootsweb.com Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA24810; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:18:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 04:18:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901011218.EAA24810@bl-14.rootsweb.com> Subject: ILMACOUP-D Digest V98 #234 X-Loop: ILMACOUP-D@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <ILMACOUP-D@rootsweb.com> archive/volume98/234 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: ILMACOUP-D@rootsweb.com Reply-To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com >> Hi, I live in Sangamon Co., Il and the marriage certificates that I've seen through the 1880 don't list anything but the bride and groom and the date and the judge who performed the ceremony. However, in St.Clair Co., IL in the 1880's, they include alot of useful info. If you get your lisence form the the Il State Archives, it's only $.50. so it's worth a try, I'd say. Just my two cents worth. Good luck Sue

Can someone tell me how much information would be on a marriage license application for Macoupin Co. IL in 1853? Would it be worth while to purchase a copy? Would the parents of the bride and groom be listed? I am trying to find out if this William and Nancy are my gr-gr- grandparents. William A. / CORR, Nancy (Mrs) 12 July 1853 Vol 4 /Page or License 2009 / Macoupin Co. IL Thanks, Nancy Cook +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ OVERSTREET,Leroy 1812 KY-1849 IL->OVERSTREET,William R.1835 IL-1905 MO-> OVERSTREET, Joseph Sylvester 1857 IL-1939 KS-> OVERSTREET,Walter 1890 KS-1967 WA-> OVERSTREET, Jesse Morgan 1923 Galena, KS-1980 Joplin,MO-> OVERSTREET, Nancy, CA +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+

I recently recieved some land documents from Bureau of Land Management and recieved one that wasn't mine. I was searching for IL but I'm not sure if this is IL or PA. If you reconize these names I will glady send you this document. George Ulyman and Christopher Frederick Shurster. -- Debi Fort Myers, FL df620@gate.net - - - - - - - - - I'm not stuck. I'm Ancestrally challenged.

Does anyone have these volumes of the Stalker? This is what I"m looking for. PHARIS Volume, #, page or pagers 2, 1, 18, 19 2, 3, 170 3, 1, 38 Thanks. -- Debi Fort Myers, FL df620@gate.net - - - - - - - - - I'm not stuck. I'm Ancestrally challenged.

Dear Marilyn, Hoping that your son is well soon. Take some time for yourself. I hope hope your son is back on his feet in no time and all of you are happy. God watch over him. Jim Windsor

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Gloria, Thank you for your response to my query. I will try to make what I am looking for more clear. Jesse Job McColpin, who was born in Crawford County abt. 1831. He married Elizabeth Higgins in Crawford County in 1850. There are documents that spell his name as both McColpin and as McCorpin. I subscribe to a Scotch-Irish group and it is often discussed how S-I names are changed because many, if not most, people in that period of US History signed there name with an X or their mark. Being rather new at Illinois genealogy I was wondering if McCorpin or McCorpin may have been a variation of the Family name for which Macoupin County was named. <Don't know of a surname of any variation of Macoupin in Macoupin <County if that is what you mean?? <Macoupin has been spelled Macoupin since the formation of the county. <McCoupin, McCorpin and McColpin - are those surnames you are trying <to find?? <Please make clearer. And, if they are surnames, give us some <"about" dates. Thanks. Gloria <<There seems to be variations of the same name in 19th century Illinois. <>

Don't know of a surname of any variation of Macoupin in Macoupin County if that is what you mean?? Macoupin has been spelled Macoupin since the formation of the county. McCoupin, McCorpin and McColpin - are those surnames you are trying to find?? Please make clearer. And, if they are surnames, give us some "about" dates. Thanks. Gloria Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 02:01:29 EST From: OOREROOM@aol.com To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c246665a.368489c9@aol.com> Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Mccoupin, McCorpin, McColpin. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit There seems to be variations of the same name in 19th century Illinois. I have relatives in Crawford County who have both McCorpin and McColpin as the spelling. Can someone tell me if these are branches of the same family or separate families? Robert Oregon

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Looking for information on a Lizzie BRADEN, age 25 of Scottville, IL Macoupin Co. that married a John M. SAMPLES of Waverly, IL Morgan Co. on or about 19 Oct 1878. Macoupin County Illinois Marriage license # 9479 Jere Braden P. O. Box 313 Delavan, Illinois 61734 jereb@accessus.net

There seems to be variations of the same name in 19th century Illinois. I have relatives in Crawford County who have both McCorpin and McColpin as the spelling. Can someone tell me if these are branches of the same family or separate families? Robert Oregon i

Evelyn, How could Della speak of caring for Nancy when Nancy died in 1858 and Della wasn't even born until 1873. She probably cared for Martha but Nancy?!? Also Della married Evert in 1902 in Weiser not in Mo as indicated. George died in Okla in 1895 and seven years later Della married Evert Cate. Supposedly 27 days after coming to Idaho. Hope you all have a very Merry Christmas and the best New Year ever. Yvonne

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Can anyone tell me anything about a company called "A.J.Lusk" that would have been in this area around 1838 - 1840? Or how about a M.D. named Greene - I can't really make out the name but it could be Greene. Thanks -- Debi Fort Myers, FL df620@gate.net - - - - - - - - - I'm not stuck. I'm Ancestrally challenged.