I have an 1834 Marriage record from Morgan Co. IL that has an affadavit from the grooms mother stating the groom has permission to marry. He was 20 years old. This was a major find for me because it gave me the mothers' remarried name, which I hadn't been able to determine. Opened doors for the next 30 years, in fact. Mary Ann At 10:44 PM 1/11/99 -0800, you wrote: >Cathy, >The 1859 marriage records do not list the parents names. But in most >cases will list the minister, or Justice of the Peace who performed the >marriage, and the county recorder who recorded it. Possibly also the >residence of either bride or groom if they were from out of the county, >for example "John Brown of Montgomery Co. Illinois and Miss Jane Jones >were united...". At one time it was a common practice to list a bondmen >on the marriage record for the bride if she were underaged. But as far >as I know by 1840 or so the practice of actually recording the name of >the bondsman on the marriage record itself was beginning to be dropped. >It would seem though that if the bride or groom were legally underage to >be married then there must have been some legal way of showing to the >county court that permission had been granted by the parents for the >marriage. Even so it seems that if that permission were there, then it >was not found necessary by the county court to be recorded on the >marriage record, as in the past it had once been found necessary to >record. > >A marriage record of 1859 will have name of parties being married, >minister's record that he married the parties on such and such date, and >recorders record that such and such marriage was entered into the county >record book on such and such a date. > >I should also mention that women previously married would often be >listed, for example, as, "John Jones and Mrs. Jane Smith were united..." >This indicates the husband of the bride was dead or divorced. But often >as not a woman previously married could be listed as Jane Smith with no >indication of her previous marriage. Yet it is also found in some cases >that if her first marriage were of short duration, she might revert back >to her maiden name. Discerning all these possibilities are the work of >the genealogist. If you don't actually know much about the bride or >groom, look back in the records of where your ancestos lived for earlier >marriages. If you find John Jones married Jane Smith, make sure her >maiden name is Smith and that Smith was not her previous married name, >that way you should be able to connect her to her parents. > >Jim Windsor > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >Macoupin County Books that may be of interest: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_pubook.htm >Macoupin County Books and Cemetery Listings for sale: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_bksale.htm > > > County Coordinator & List Manager Jersey Co ILGenWeb

I am interested in possibly locating an old photo that someone may have showing a group of men that served in the Mexican War. I am thinking that they probably held gatherings or "reunions" of their outfits that they served with. The particular unit that I am interested in finding is Co. "G", 1st Illinois Volunteers (Captain J. Wyatt's Co.), a regiment under the command of Col. John J. Hardin, 1846 - 1847. Col. Hardin was from the Jacksonville area, Morgan County, IL. If anyone can offer me some help regarding this outfit, please contact me directly. I would be highly thankful for any help. Regards, Stan

Cathy, The 1859 marriage records do not list the parents names. But in most cases will list the minister, or Justice of the Peace who performed the marriage, and the county recorder who recorded it. Possibly also the residence of either bride or groom if they were from out of the county, for example "John Brown of Montgomery Co. Illinois and Miss Jane Jones were united...". At one time it was a common practice to list a bondmen on the marriage record for the bride if she were underaged. But as far as I know by 1840 or so the practice of actually recording the name of the bondsman on the marriage record itself was beginning to be dropped. It would seem though that if the bride or groom were legally underage to be married then there must have been some legal way of showing to the county court that permission had been granted by the parents for the marriage. Even so it seems that if that permission were there, then it was not found necessary by the county court to be recorded on the marriage record, as in the past it had once been found necessary to record. A marriage record of 1859 will have name of parties being married, minister's record that he married the parties on such and such date, and recorders record that such and such marriage was entered into the county record book on such and such a date. I should also mention that women previously married would often be listed, for example, as, "John Jones and Mrs. Jane Smith were united..." This indicates the husband of the bride was dead or divorced. But often as not a woman previously married could be listed as Jane Smith with no indication of her previous marriage. Yet it is also found in some cases that if her first marriage were of short duration, she might revert back to her maiden name. Discerning all these possibilities are the work of the genealogist. If you don't actually know much about the bride or groom, look back in the records of where your ancestos lived for earlier marriages. If you find John Jones married Jane Smith, make sure her maiden name is Smith and that Smith was not her previous married name, that way you should be able to connect her to her parents. Jim Windsor

Hi everyone, I just received my Gillespie City Cemetery book. I would like to say " thank you" everyone who worked on this book. I am enjoying looking at it and have found some new leads. I would like to post a little information to the Macoupin county mail list, about some of my family that are listed in this book ,but wanted to check and see if that would be OK before doing it. The information would be on the: LINTON LITTLEHALE FYFE HURTT ROBSON PARNELL EAST that are listed in the book. I am sorry I did not get the information to Jill Secoy before the book was compiled. Thanks so much Cathy Parnell Vance velvetcres@msn.com http://angelfire.com/ky/johnparnell researching: PARNELL, MAYS, KEMP/CAMP,COFFEY/COFFEE, LINTON, FYFE, HURTT In Ky and IL at this time.

http://www.uftree.com/UFT/WebPages/NancyMoore/MOORE/index.htm This is my first try at a web site, I have corrections to make ie grammar etc, but everyone is there, I think! Ha, take a look. Nancy Moore

I know the later (1890's) marriage records list the parents names. Do the 1859 records do the same? Thanks...Cathy

I would like to buy a copy of the book "The Story of Macoupin County, Illinois 1829-1979", published by Macoupin County Sesquicentennial, Inc, Carlinville, 1979, Kenneth R. Schwartz, Pres. Does anyone know where I could find a copy? Or have a used one they'd care to sell? Thanks Sue Raffurty McMurry Indep MO

Should have waited and gathered all answers in one msg. Duh! gf -------------------- From: Susan Tortorelli <tort@starnetinc.com> There is a photo essay about it online at http://www.chicagohs.org/DGBPhotoEssay/DGB02.html On the Cook County map at http://www.chicagohs.org/DGBPhotoEssay/DGBIntro.html it was in neighborhood #1. History of Oak Woods cemetery where the folks from the prison were buried is at http://www.graveyards.com/oakwoods/confederate.html

Thank you all for the information on Camp Douglas. The next time I am in Chicago I will check the burial site at 67th and Cottage Grove to see if graves are marked and/or condition of the cemetery. Jere Braden

From: Rich & Jeana Gallagher <rjus@mychoice.net> Subject: [ILGEN-L] Camp Douglas Camp Douglas was in Chicago. It was a hosptial and POW camp for Confederates. It was located where Chicago University is located. There is a book about it called To Die in Chicago: Confederate Prisoners at Camp Douglas. by George Levy's Also a book called Dark Lanterns by Frank L Klement. The only reason I know about this it that Andrew Greeley wrote a fiction book using Camp Douglas as part of a mystery in his book Irish Lace. Hope this helps Jeana --------------- Camp Douglas, I believe, was from about 22nd Street south along Cottage Grove. It was quite large. The victims are buried at 67th and Cottage Grove so you can figure that was close. Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com

So far as to what I have found. Thot the search for Camp Douglas would be easy when searching the CW sites on the web. I searched at quite a few with the find function and nothing, yet. gf >X-Sender: lclang@advant.com >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) >Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:11:11 -0600 >To: Gloria Frazier <glofra@townsqr.com> >From: lclang@advant.com (Lang, Linda) >Subject: Re: [ILGEN-L] Camp Douglas IL (Civil War) > >Hi Gloria, > >Camp Douglas was located in Chicago, the southside I believe, and >was named for Stephen Douglas. Actually, if my memory serves me >correctly, the camp was on his property, although he was dead by >that time. Anyway, I haven't seen it, but apparently there is >a marker that marks the spot where it was, but the rest of the camp >is gone. I don't have the exact location right at hand, but if >no one else can give you an exact location, let me know and I'll >look it up for you. > >Linda > >At 09:35 AM 1/7/99 -0600, you wrote: >I have skimmed all the CW sites I can think of and can't find a >blurb. Does anyone know of a site/description about Camp Douglas >and pin point location? > >Thanks. > >Gloria

Jere wrote: >Does anyone know where Camp Douglas is located? >Apparently around Chicago somewhere. Many Civil War Confederate >prisoner were buried there. > >Jere Braden.... *********************************************************************** Jere, Camp Douglas does not exist any longer, however you can read about it by visiting the below listed web site and searching Oak Woods Cemetery history. You can go to links that may discuss Camp Douglas also. I posted this to some other lists awhile ago. ______________________________________________ For anyone who may interested in further >information on cemeteries Jim Tipton has assembled a very good web site >called, "FIND A GRAVE." There are many links to various other cemetery >related web sites. For example you can view many photos of Oak Woods >Cemetery after clicking links to Chicago Cemeteries. > >To view go to: <http://www.findagrave.com/index.html> > >Bob Colby > >----------------------------------------------- > > >I thought that some of you may be interested in this news story about a >Chicago cemetery and monuments. In particular how large monuments are not >erected much any more due to the great cost. > >BTW. My father, grandfather, great grandfather and great-great grandfather >are buried in Oak Woods Cemetery. > >I remember, as a small child accompanying my grand parents and parents to >the cemetery. While my relatives tended to the grave sites, I played >amongst the monuments, always wondering about all of the stories that could >have been told by all of those people that were buried there. > >I still go there once a year. But the neighborhood is now surrounded by >vacant lots, dilapidated buildings, boarded-up businesses and run down >apartment buildings. > >To view, go to: <http://www.dailysouthtown.com> Then you will need to search the archives for a story in past, (October 98), "Living" Section, titled "Grave Thoughts." > >Happy ancestor hunting >Bob Colby > > >==== COLBY Mailing List ==== >Visit a Colby home page: >http://www.iamnow.net/Bradford/Brdcolby.htm >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/o/u/Sherry-L-Gould/GENE7-0001.html >http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/rcolby/colby_ft.htm >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/h/o/Nancy-E-Shockey/index.html >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/l/Robert-C-Colby-jr/index.html >

Does anyone know where Camp Douglas is located? Apparently around Chicago somewhere. Many Civil War Confederate prisoner were buried there. Jere Braden....

Hi, After posting my Rafferty First Family story, I received an email from a man who's mother had attended school with Joshua Raffurty's daughters, Hattie and Mary. He had visited the Historical Society and toured the Raffurty Schoolhouse there and wondered if that was the same school. I know that Joshua lived in Bird Twp and his father, James Raffurty lived in Polk twp. Does anyone know what township that school was donated from? Has anyone had any experience with writing to the school district? What kind of information can we ask for? Do they have class rosters? Any ideas would be appreciated. Perry also had a picture of a class of students in front of a school that was really a treat! Hope someone can help us identify some of those kids! Sue Raffurty McMurry Indep MO

Can anyone tell me anything about the "Lusk Cemetery" or the "Woodlawn Cemetery" - I am trying to find some folks in these. Thank you - -- Debi Fort Myers, FL df620@gate.net - - - - - - - - - I'm not stuck. I'm Ancestrally challenged.

Yes, Charlie, we are all going to jump up and move to northern Ohio. As our 9 yr old grndghtr Jessica says, "In your dreams. Funny. Forget it. Getta life!" Bet you got some of that white stuff, too. Anywhere near Cleveland, I know that winter lake stuff. We will be back in our normal 40's soon, I hope. 22,000 out of power down to 4,000 out today. gf At 05:59 PM 1/5/99 -0500, Charles Neff wrote: >Hi All, > >Best wishes for the new year! And might I invite all of you who are tired >of the frozen weather to consider vacationing here at the sunny North coast >of Ohio! That's why I moved here from those dreaded Ozarks 12 years ago >today! > >Charlie

In a message dated 99-01-05 18:36:47 EST, you write: << Yes, Charlie, we are all going to jump up and move to northern Ohio. >> There's always beautiful ST LOUIS, but don't try to drive or fly here. (lol) Mary

Hi All, Best wishes for the new year! And might I invite all of you who are tired of the frozen weather to consider vacationing here at the sunny North coast of Ohio! That's why I moved here from those dreaded Ozarks 12 years ago today! Charlie -----Original Message----- From: Gloria Frazier <glofra@townsqr.com> To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com <ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 12:19 AM Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Misc >Yes, the Ozarks is covered in ice. And, today we drove 110 miles >one way on the main highway which was 75% ice covered to take our >granddaughter home. We made it home still on needles. The rural >area around here has been without power since 2am Fri morn and >still without power. Parts of West Plains were without power but we >have been lucky in not losing power. We do have tree limbs that >snapped in our yard. Power lines down in the city that you have to >drive the extra block to get around. At 5 degrees tonite, don't >think it is going to melt too soon and I pity the poor crews >working out in this weather. I guess our temp is a little better >than our son's near Des Moines which we just heard was a windchill >in the minus 40's. And, Chicago with 22 inches of snow. Yuk! >------------------ >Gloria Frazier >DE>IL-Coverdill >IN>IL-Hays >KY>IL-Nash/Oller/Shipp >KY>MO-Frazier/Morrison/Ragland/Upton/Hamilton >KY>Hord >TN>IL-Adcock/Carter/Sutton/Richards/Warren/Wingo >TN-Baseye >Thrasher > > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >If you need a Macoupin County Professional Researcher please check out: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_pros.htm

Cleaning out files and ran across this dated Dec 1996 from John Warren on my Warren surname list. Don't know who Earl Peek is but thot you might get something out of it. gloria ------------------------ SUGGESTED GUIDELINES to HELP GET ANSWERS If I am going to be a writer and try to get your attention so that you will help me, I must be courteous to you; I must be thoughtful enough to present materials in such a manner as to get and keep your attention; I must write my material in a way that makes it fast, easy, and pleasant to read. With these thoughts in mind, consider that the following are NOT RULES, but they are SUGGESTED GUIDELINES for use by genealogy re-searchers. 1) Are you shouting at the reader? 2-6) Typing names so they are easy to read. 7-8) Where and How to Reply. 9-10) Flaming. 11) You want to reply, but, Are You Ready? 1) Generally, type everything in lower case (small) letters. Typing everything in all CAPS is considered SHOUTING at the reader. 2) ALWAYS type SURNAMES in upper case (CAPITAL) letters. 3) When listing SURNAMES only, enter a comma and two spaces between the names. This makes for faster, easier reading: CARTER, DYER, KIRBY, LEE, WILSON (PLEASE, do not space between letters of the name, and do not use special characters within a name) 4) DO NOT use the asterisk * or the slash / as a separator of SURNAMES. Use this same rule for applying other special characters in your writings. This is hard on the eyes, and some of us won't read it. Therefore, you and I might miss a perfect opportunity to find a connection to one of the names we are both researching. 5) Generally, type names as follows: SURNAME, First Second Third "Nickname" Title (Although it won't always work out this way, try to make it a standard way of writing names.) Example: CARTER, Everet Joseph Grayson "Joe" Rev 6) When listing SURNAMES with locations, try to make the listings as columns if possible. At least enter some spaces to make for easier, faster reading: CARTER > NC, SC, MS, AR LEE > NC, SC, TN, AR JONES > FL, AL, TN, GA OWENS > NC, GA, LA KIRBY > AR WOOD > TN,AR Realize that the progression of states is not meant to be alphabetical, but represents the general movement (migration) of the family the individual is researching and therefore the locations being searched. 7) When you reply (respond) to someone's message or request, if your message is personal or if you think it does not belong on the discussion list, click on the REPLY or RESPOND button - this will automatically send your message to the address of the originator. 8) If you wish your reply/response to be read by all on the discussion list, type in the e-mail address of the list you wish it to be seen by. 9) Please, do not flame someone (put them down rather rudely) for something they have done. The individual may be new and did not realize what was correct and proper. Or, an individual can be in a hurry and just do things wrong. (Personally, I do not wish to reduce <degrade> myself to the low level of flaming someone. I have been flamed and know how bad it made me feel, even though I had not intended to hurt or upset anyone.) Consider the fact that in most instances the act is not on purpose, but accidental. If you must reply, be courteous, polite, and positive and send them a private note. 10) Above all, DO NOT flame someone publicly on one of the lists. It is bad manners on the part of the person doing the flaming, and shows disrespect toward all other members of the list. (They do not want to hear the flamer's whining about what someone has supposedly done to the flamer or to them. That is why there are always so many rude, ill-natured replies afterwards.) 11) Do you really want to flame someone? Go look in the mirror. That person you are looking at knows exactly how you feel and what you are thinking. Therefore, that person knows exactly how to take what you are saying. Furthermore, if that person in the mirror smiles at you, you are going to have to smile back. And, if you smile at the person in the mirror and that person in the mirror does not smile back at you, you are not ready to write to anyone yet. Now, let's work together and find some genealogy answers. Thank you.

Ok, my mailbox has a lot of msgs needing answered. Sorry for those msgs probably needing answered a week or so ago. I will try to bail out in the next wk or so. Yes, the Ozarks is covered in ice. And, today we drove 110 miles one way on the main highway which was 75% ice covered to take our granddaughter home. We made it home still on needles. The rural area around here has been without power since 2am Fri morn and still without power. Parts of West Plains were without power but we have been lucky in not losing power. We do have tree limbs that snapped in our yard. Power lines down in the city that you have to drive the extra block to get around. At 5 degrees tonite, don't think it is going to melt too soon and I pity the poor crews working out in this weather. I guess our temp is a little better than our son's near Des Moines which we just heard was a windchill in the minus 40's. And, Chicago with 22 inches of snow. Yuk! Any newbies on the list, feel free to ask dumb questions and do post your Macoupin families. Questions/queries on the list unanswered need to be posted and reposted until someone helps/steers you in a direction. If you feel the question is too "dumb" to ask on the list, ask me. If I can't help, I should be able to lead you in some kind of direction. Be patient if you ask me, I will get to your message. My Christmas gifts included many more thousands of dead people. YES! An unexpected 64 Nintendo which is now hooked up with my Super Nintendo so I can switch back and forth. I wonder if I could hook up a Play Station for a 3 way switch??<g> Hope all had a great holiday season. We did. Had both of our children and families home for a late Christmas dinner Monday nite. Gloria (volunteer) ------------------ Gloria Frazier DE>IL-Coverdill IN>IL-Hays KY>IL-Nash/Oller/Shipp KY>MO-Frazier/Morrison/Ragland/Upton/Hamilton KY>Hord TN>IL-Adcock/Carter/Sutton/Richards/Warren/Wingo TN-Baseye Thrasher