In a message dated 99-03-17 01:46:56 EST, you write: << This has truly been the most exciting thing that has happened to me in over 30 years of doing genealogy! >> That's wonderful Sharon. It does give some people a start. I resisted for over a year and finally sent them some limited stuff. I do think if you submit information that they should at least 1. contact you and advise you what CD it will appear on and 2. send you a free copy of that CD Mary.
The only good thing I see about FTM > and Ancestry is that maybe someone will purchase the CDs and happen to be > connected to you and then contact you to share and update the information. > Maybe that is a dreamers attitude. Mary > Guess I do not think you are dreaming. I brought down one of my brick walls because a distant cousin posted the family on Kindred Konnections (a web site, similar to Ancestry). I only knew my Norwegian GrGrGrandmother as Bertha Thompson. There was no way I could trace her (you need a farm name to search in Norway). When I contacted that submitter, I was put in touch with not only other relatives, but a relative who has ALL the rest of the family BUT our branch, and after twenty years, she had about given up of there being any descentants from MY side! Because my relative posted the info on the KK site, I am now in contact with my genealogist cousin (who is in the process of writing a book on the family, and WE *were* going into the book as "NO descentants"), as well as two other family members, doing genealogy. Bertha Thompson's husbands family is on a Family Tree Maker CD (which I purchased), and has taken that side back over 200 years. I am currently in the process of verifing that information, but it is a lot easier to verify than it is starting from scratch. That is also Norwegian, and I had no farm name. I have discovered that whom I thought was my immigrant ancestor actually came over with her whole family, including her parents. And that 3 of her brothers fought in the Civil War. Knowing my ancestor was Bertha Thompson, I MAY have, some day, connected John Thompson to her (but really? Thompson?). But I may have gone to my grave not knowing that Bertha Thompson was originally Britha Trulsdatter Mael (and her brother was Johann Trulson Meal). Or that some of her brothers were Thompsons, some kept Trulson, and some even are Meals. Yes, one should verify what they get, from ANY source, other than the original source. But it is much easier to verify than it is to start from scratch (especially when you know so little). Much that I have received, I have already verified, and I have well over a 1,000 names to add to my family tree. And newly found relatives, which are quickly becoming friends, as well as relatives. Because of this family being posted I have recently received information that takes some lines back to about 100 BC. This has truly been the most exciting thing that has happened to me in over 30 years of doing genealogy! Sharon Buethner PS I also have very recently received copies of photographs, visual descriptions (Bertha Thompson's father had deep red hair, etc.), Civil War photos, an actual photo copy of the first page of a church book that the Trulson/Thompson's joined in 1851, and copies of census records, birth and death certificates, etc.
Just realized the msg I sent adding a request for sources in Ancestry.com's GEDCOM files was sent without deleting the extended prior thread with it. I'm afraid I leapt before looking and apologize for adding to the system's load by not deleting first. Regards, Ellen Bisson
I'm going to jump in some deep water here, probably risking life & limb, but I am an Ancestry.com subscriber. I am wondering if this concern could be alleviated somewhat if Ancestry.com made a more consciencious effort to require that GEDCOM submissions be annotated with sources, which 99.9% don't currently include. As a subscriber, I would also be happier if Ancestry.com did a better job of keeping Email addresses current for these files. Don't know how that could be accomplished, but there is nothing more frustrating that find a morsel that's important to you, sending off an Email and having it bounce back as no longer valid. In order for Ancestry.com to maintain its credibility, however, the issue of sources is critical. Thanks, this is a useful discussion on a volatile topic. Regards, Ellen Bisson mailto:thebissons@worldnet.att.net John M. Scroggins wrote: > > GF> If, John, we, on the other side of the coin, can help get Ancestry > GF> in line with our desires and your company can be an example for the > GF> other companies then let's thread this for a bit with your > GF> answer/rebuttal here. > > OK, I'll try to reply point by point. I'll spread my answer out over > several messages (not all at once), and I'll only quote the parts I'm > responding to in each message so that I don't sent this whole thread to > the list over and over again. > > For purposes of introduction, I'll state that > > (1) I have been employed by Ancestry.com for just under a year. > > (2) I was on the staff of the National Archives for over 35 years, > most of that in management positions. During that time I created NARA's > regional archives system and ran it for over 13 years, I managed the > development of NARA's first automated system for controlling the records > in the 70's, I ran the NARA microfilm program in the late 60's, and I > worked at both personnel records center buildings in St. Louis in 1962 > and 63. > > (3) I have roots in Macoupin and Madison counties and spent time in > the records in both courthouses and walking through cemeteries during > several visits to the area around 1970. > > John M. Scroggins > Director of Electronic Records > Ancestry.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gloria Frazier [mailto:glofra@townsqr.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 12:54 PM > > To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: RE: [ILMACOUP-L] FYI - Ancestry Reply > > Importance: High > > > > > > If, John, we, on the other side of the coin, can help get Ancestry > > in line with our desires and your company can be an example for the > > other companies then let's thread this for a bit with your > > answer/rebuttal here. You have to admit that you and your company > > are making a dime. And you have to admit that I am not making money > > so I don't have a penny for a lawsuit against you and your company > > which makes it easier for your company to use my data without > > asking me. So, companies can use any excuse needed to squelch me. > > > > Unless someone requests more family info from me because I > > supposedly submitted data to a company or they send me to Ancestry > > or FTM or another business site, I don't have time to check them out. > > > > I really want to say here, ahhhh, my time is spent spending > > hundreds of dollars to put free censuses, births, rosters, etc on > > the Macoupin page, but I won't. I could have made my money back by > > selling all this information to Macoupin researchers. Anyway, as > > long as I don't think about making money, it doesn't bother me. > > > > A side note: In fact, the best dream I could have is if a company > > like yours would go to Macoupin County or any county and offer them > > a very goodly sum of money for all the pre 1925 records in the dome > > which are rotting and then the pre 1925 records in the offices and > > I could buy them on CD. > > > > I definitely do not mind at all buying CDs with data from archives, > > court records, or even proven data. I certainly do not like the CD > > comeons where you only get a sort of sampling of data from areas. I > > call that using the consumer. > > > > By proven data I mean if a date is there, reference the date of > > marriage, death, birth, Bible, will, tombstone record with a > > book/page/cemetery number/name then we know what weight to put on > > the proof knowing well that no data is fullproof. > > > > A submitter to your company sends in data. Do you not put an > > obvious/large title on each submitted tree when the data shows no > > proof such as I mentioned above? > > > > A submitter of data to your company gives my name as a reference. > > My "pain" comes from finding out my first/inital set of research > > data with all the errors and I know the data has been sent in by a > > person who did not ask me/I would have never dreamed but who could > > have only gotten their information from me. The submitter doesn't > > have to answer anyone. It is me, the OTHER name on the data, the > > OTHER name with the incorrect data, who has to answer. Don't you > > think this is a little embarassing for myself?? > > > > And, my name has been put on the data by another submitter, but no > > piece of data has a note/asterisk/footnote that a name/date has not > > been proven by me. > > > > And, for the life of me, I cannot understand why any living name or > > living date needs to be put in the public arena. Researchers and > > companies should know that is just plain common courtesy in > > genealogy not to use living names or dates for public eyes. > > > > Ima thinkin there has to be a better deal without stifling the > > exchange of genealogy research data without a bunch of > > combativeness between parties. The actions of CD companies has cut > > my sharing down to about a third of what I would normally have done > > if my input had been allowed along with the submitter who used my > > information and my name without my knowledge. Isn't it illegal to > > use my name if I didn't wish it without my permission? > > > > Gloria > > > > > > At 10:10 AM 3/17/99 -0500, you wrote: > > >Thank you. I don't really want to try to push Ancestry in > > >non-commercial environments, but I get irritated when people > > accuse us > > >of things we do not do. > > > > > >FYI, Ancestry will be adding more non-subscription services and > > content > > >soon. I'd call them "free", but there really is no "free" > > >data--somebody pays for everything, whether by paying for > > subscriptions > > >or individual searches, by making cash donations, by paying taxes, by > > >reading ads, or by donating labor. In the latter case it's the > > >originator who pays, not the end user, but there is still a cost > > >involved somewhere along the line. > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Gloria Frazier [mailto:glofra@townsqr.com] > > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 9:16 AM > > >> To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com > > >> Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] FYI - Ancestry Reply > > >> Importance: High > > >> > > >> > > >> From: "John M. Scroggins" <scroggjm@erols.com> > > >> To: "Jack Cox" <jack_cox@kc.net>, <MADMANSMON@aol.com>, > > >> "Gloria Frazier" <glofra@townsqr.com> > > >> Subject: RE: [ILMACOUP-L] Uploads to CD Suppliers > > >> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:00:11 -0500 > > >> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > >> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 > > >> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 > > >> Importance: Normal > > >> > > >> Gloria: Since this could be construed as a commercial message, > > I'll > > >> leave it up to you whether to put it on the list to correct the > > >> mistaken > > >> impression that Ancestry.com sells CD's with user-contributed > > files. > > >> > > >> Contrary to what Mr. Cox and Mary (MADMANSMOM@aol.com) imply, > > >> Ancestry.com does NOT sell family tree information on CD's and does > > >> NOT > > >> charge for access to such information users post in order to share > > >> with > > >> other users. > > >> > > >> Gedcom files submitted to Ancestry.com by users are freely > > >> available to > > >> all visitors to the site without subscription; they are not put on > > >> CD's; > > >> and the data is not sold to anybody and never will be. > > Ancestry.com > > >> both makes it easy to contact the submitter directly by providing > > >> email > > >> addresses, but no personal information. And Ancestry.com makes it > > >> easy > > >> for a user to withdraw a file at any time for any reason (as was > > >> recently done by another Scroggin researcher who plans to update > > his > > >> large, well documented file that includes information about a few > > >> early > > >> Macoupin County settlers). > > >> > > >> Most of the CD's produced by Ancestry.com for sale are searchable > > >> copies > > >> of standard reference books ("The Source," "Ancestry's Red > > Book," "The > > >> Library," "The Library of Congress," the Allen County Public > > Library's > > >> "PERiodical Source Index," etc.), not family tree information. > > >> > > >> Most of Ancestry.com's subscription databases are ones for which > > there > > >> was a substantial conversion cost and/or a need to compensate the > > >> copyright owner. As a result, there is a growing amount of > > >> information > > >> online that simply wouldn't be there otherwise. > > >> > > >> Ancestry.com does post large amounts of information that is freely > > >> available without subscription and will continue to do so. And > > >> Ancestry.com will make user-contributed data available for free if > > >> there > > >> is no purchase or conversion cost. > > >> > > >> John M. Scroggins > > >> Director of Electronic Records > > >> Ancestry.com > > >> Subscriber to ILMACOUP-L > > >> (Scroggins, Gaskill, Tatum in Macoupin and Madison before 1856) > > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: Jack Cox [mailto:jack_cox@kc.net] > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 9:28 PM > > >> > To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com > > >> > Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Uploads to CD Suppliers > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > I share Gloria Frazier's concerns about posting information > > >> > up to the various on-line "collectors" such as Ancestry and > > >> > Family Tree Maker. All of these CD makers encourage you to > > >> > post your information in order to "share" it with other > > >> > researchers. If it was sharing, they wouldn't be charging > > >> > what they do for the disks. I don't begrudge them a profit, > > >> > but earning money on my hard earned information - > > >> > particularly after I shelled out the money for their > > >> > software - seems a bit off center to me. > > >> > > > >> > I see a real problem here. If we don't share our > > >> > information, then how will we continue to help the other > > >> > researchers out there? On the other hand, if we do share, > > >> > our information can be misused, and at best will lead people > > >> > down the wrong path. > > >> > > > >> > Personally, I have never bought a CD from any of the family > > >> > tree program companies. I have looked at their info when > > >> > they have "free" promotions, but have found little that > > >> > hellps me, and unfortunately, the "proofs" are very thin and > > >> > usually nonexistant. Unfortunately, I have even found many > > >> > serious errors in the information provided by LDS. > > >> > > > >> > I do, on occasion, add information to my "cousins" part of > > >> > the tree without complete verification - at least from > > >> > people I trust, and if there are enough clues to indicate a > > >> > probable fit. However, if no annotation of source is > > >> > included, I take it as unproven. > > >> > > > >> > My recommendation . . . don't post information you have > > >> > gotten from others without their permission, and never post > > >> > it without credit. Posting unproven data is probably the > > >> > worst idea of all. > > >> > > > >> > I have long had a personal rule that I will never "post up" > > >> > my information to one of the "CD" sites. However, I will go > > >> > out of my way to share information with anyone who needs > > >> > help. > > >> > > > >> > My two cents worth . . . > > >> > > > >> > Jack Cox > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: MADMANSMOM@aol.com [mailto:MADMANSMOM@aol.com] > > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 12:20 AM > > >> To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com > > >> Subject: Re: [ILMACOUP-L] Uploads to CD Suppliers > > >> > > >> > > >> In a message dated 99-03-16 21:35:48 EST, you write: > > >> > > >> << I share Gloria Frazier's concerns about posting information > > >> up to the various on-line "collectors" such as Ancestry and > > >> Family Tree Maker. >> > > >> I agree with both Jack and Gloria. The only good thing I see about > > >> FTM > > >> and > > >> Ancestry is that maybe someone will purchase the CDs and happen > > to be > > >> connected to you and then contact you to share and update the > > >> information. > > >> Maybe that is a dreamers attitude. Mary > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > > >> Difference between ILMACOUP-L and ILMACOUP-D: > > >> ILMACOUP-L mailing list allows you to receive every posting > > >> made to ILMACOUP as a separate email. > > >> ILMACOUP-D mailing list allows you to receive several > > >> postings as a single large message. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------ > > Gloria Frazier > > Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm > > > > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from ILMACOUP-L-request@rootsweb.com, send a message to > > ILMACOUP-L-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your > > software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, > > too. AOL requires a subject line. > > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > If you need a Macoupin County Professional Researcher please check out: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_pros.htm
I share Gloria Frazier's concerns about posting information up to the various on-line "collectors" such as Ancestry and Family Tree Maker. All of these CD makers encourage you to post your information in order to "share" it with other researchers. If it was sharing, they wouldn't be charging what they do for the disks. I don't begrudge them a profit, but earning money on my hard earned information - particularly after I shelled out the money for their software - seems a bit off center to me. I see a real problem here. If we don't share our information, then how will we continue to help the other researchers out there? On the other hand, if we do share, our information can be misused, and at best will lead people down the wrong path. Personally, I have never bought a CD from any of the family tree program companies. I have looked at their info when they have "free" promotions, but have found little that hellps me, and unfortunately, the "proofs" are very thin and usually nonexistant. Unfortunately, I have even found many serious errors in the information provided by LDS. I do, on occasion, add information to my "cousins" part of the tree without complete verification - at least from people I trust, and if there are enough clues to indicate a probable fit. However, if no annotation of source is included, I take it as unproven. My recommendation . . . don't post information you have gotten from others without their permission, and never post it without credit. Posting unproven data is probably the worst idea of all. I have long had a personal rule that I will never "post up" my information to one of the "CD" sites. However, I will go out of my way to share information with anyone who needs help. My two cents worth . . . Jack Cox
World Family Tree, Ancestry, LDS, or any of the other genealogy CD businesses? If you didn't, then delete or read just FYI. I believe Family Tree Maker, if you have a homepage at their site, they consider your information to be theirs. I think in fine print. Correct me if I am wrong. I was "young and naive" when I sent out all family data I had received to private individuals, and, now my name, and if you were like me, your name, too, is included on these CDs for sale. Oh, and all the living names you might have sent, too. I am receiving requests from people "finding my name" on data which I have not proven and I certainly did not give to any genealogy CD companies to sell. So, if you are sending family data to CD companies which I have given to you, please include, "Gloria Frazier has not proven this data." And, on the data which was not proven I am finding a lot of mistakes. Good or bad? Might be good for people to have something to start from. Bad that misinformation is being sold and would be nice if it was proven before being handed off to CD companies to sell. Suggest you do your own research at the archives, courthouses, etc, and put your name with the proof on the data you send in to a company or upload to a site. God forbid, don't trust my data. Gloria Frazier
In a message dated 99-03-16 21:35:48 EST, you write: << I share Gloria Frazier's concerns about posting information up to the various on-line "collectors" such as Ancestry and Family Tree Maker. >> I agree with both Jack and Gloria. The only good thing I see about FTM and Ancestry is that maybe someone will purchase the CDs and happen to be connected to you and then contact you to share and update the information. Maybe that is a dreamers attitude. Mary
The person who requested in information on the Bronaugh was me. Gloria Poindexter Atwater and I (ggrandmother was a Poindexter, who married a Robinett in Shelby County in 1859) have considerable information on these family lines and will be happy to share. Gary Clifton California >The 1891 Macoupin County History contains wonderful biographical sketches >of both John Henderson and John Bronaugh, along with their photos. The >book sells for $32, plus postage it is $36. The 1875-1893 Macoupin Co. >Plat Book also depicts large land holdings of the Henderson family and >sells for $18 mailing totals $21. These books can be purchased from the >Macoupin County Historical Society, Box 432, Carlinville, IL 62626. > >Maxie Henderson left farm property for the establishment of the first >library in Virden, IL. The 1891 history also contains background on >Henderson and Bronaugh's wives. Louisa Bronaugh was the daughter of a >Thomas Poindexter. There are streets in Virden named Bronaugh and Henderson. > >The librarian, Wanda Lake, at West Public Library, 142 W Jackson St., >Virden, IL 62690, Tel. No. 217-965-3015, advises that a gentleman from >California was interested in the Bronaugh, Poindexter, etc. families >sometime ago. Are you aware of who this might be? She didn't keep the >name and address, but did send them quite a bit of information. She is >checking with the City Hall and will determine if a Bronaugh was ever mayor >of Virden. Henderson was head of one of the banks as well as a large land >holder. > >The email address of the Virden Library is: > >vie_ill@vax.lcls.lib.il.us > >Happy Hunting! > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >Submit your Macoupin County family births, marriages, deaths, Bible >records, articles, and cemetery information from your own research >to be included at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/il/macoupin/macoupin.htm > >
FYI >From my CARTER list. I would not know any more on this subject. It does not say the listed surnames are all of Melungeon heritage, just a possibility to look at. gf ----------------- Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:44:39 EST From: NMorri3924@aol.com To: CARTER-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4a9ba41d.36ed6327@aol.com> Subject: [CARTER-L] Hard to find Carters? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Carter is one of a number of common surnames among a group of people called Melungeons. Are you familiar with the term Melungeon? If you answer, �Who or what are Melungeons,� you are like most people. If you have been researching your family in the Cumberland Plateau of Virginia, Kentucky, North Carolina, West Virginia, and Tennessee, during the early migration years, you may be able to find them through a connection to this group of people who are only now being researched with unbiased eyes. The Melungeons are a people of apparent Mediterranean descent who may have settled in the Appalachian wilderness as early or possibly earlier than 1567. (The Melungeons: The Resurrection of a Proud People; N. Brent Kennedy, Mercer University Press, Macon, GA, USA, 1997; introduction, p. xiii) The Mediterrean includes areas of North Africa, southern Europe and Central Asia I am including a copy of those names. Be aware, however, that many people bearing these surnames, even if they come from the Appalachian area, are NOT connected to the Melungeons. The surnames are to be used as an INDICATOR of POSSIBLE Melungeon ancestry. Also, note that many Melungeon women �out- married,� carrying the heritage with them, but not the names. Not having one of these names DOES NOT mean that the family was not of Melungeon descent. There are also physical characteristics common to Melungeon descendants, many have an Indian ''myth" or orphan/adopted story in their background, and important health issues as well. I will be glad to send an informational packet including this information as well as a mailing list and URLs, FREE and via e-mail to anyone interested. Nancy S Common Melungeon Surname List: North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia ADAMS ADKINS ALLEN ALLMOND ASHWORTH * BARKER BARNES BASS BECKLER BELCHER BEDGOOD BELL BENNETT BERRY BEVERLY BIGGS BOLEN BOLLING BOLTON BOONE BOWLIN BOWLING BOWMAN BRADBY BRANHAM BRAVBOY BRIGER/BRIDGER BROGAN BROOKS BROWN BUNCH BULLION BURTON BUTLER BUTTERS BUXTON BYRD * CAMPBELL CARRICO CARTER CASTEEL CAUDILL CHAPMAN CHAVIS CLARK CLOUD COAL COFFEY COLE COLEMAN COLES COLLEY COLLIER COLLINS COLLINSWORTH COLYER COOPER CORMAN COUNTS COX COXE CRIEL CROSTON CROW CUMBA CUMBO CUMBOW CURRY CUSTALOW * DALTON DARE DAVIS DENHAM DENNIS DIAL DOOLEY DORTON DOYLE DRIGGERS DULA DYE DYESS * ELY EPPS EVANS * FIELDS FREEMAN FRENCH * GALLAGHER GANN GARLAND GIBSON GIPSON GOINS GOINGS GORVENS GOWAN GOWEN GRAHAM GREEN(E) GWINN * HALL HAMMON(D) HARMON HARRIS HARVIE HARVEY HAWKES HENDRICKS HENDRIX HILL HILLMAN HOGGE HOLMES HOPKINS HOWE HYATT * JACKSON JAMES JOHNSON JONES * KEITH(E) KENNEDY KISER * LANGSTON LASIE LAWSON LOCKLEAR LOPES LOWRY LUCAS * MADDOX MAGGARD MAJOR MALE MALONE(Y) MARSH MARTIN MAYLE MINARD MINER MINOR MIZER MOORE MORLEY MOSELY MOZINGO MULLINS * NASH NELSON NEWMAN NICCANS NICHOLS NOEL NORRIS * ORR OSBORN OSBORNE OXENDINE * PAGE PAINE PATTERSON PERKINS PERRY PHELPS PHIPPS PRINDER POLLY POWELL POWERS PRITCHARD PRUITT * RAMEY RASNICK REAVES REVELS REEVES RICE RICHARDSON RIDDLE RIVERS ROBERSON ROBERTSON ROBINSON RUSSELL * SAMMONS SAMPSON SAWYER SCOTT SEXTON SHAVIS SHEPHARD SHEPHERD SHORT SHORTT SIZEMORE SMILING SMITH STALLARD STANLEY STEEL STEVENS STEWART STROTHER SWEATT SWETT SWINDALL * TALLY TACKETT TAYLOR THOMPSON TIPTON TOLLIVER TUPPANCE TURNER * VANOVER VICARS VICCARS VICKERS * WARE WATTS WEAVER WHITE WHITED WILKINS WILLIAMS WILLIAMSON WILLIS WILSON WISBY WISE WOOD WRIGHT WYATT WYNN ______________________________X-Message: #3 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:45:26 EST From: NMorri3924@aol.com To: CARTER-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7a7a1f10.36ed6356@aol.com> Subject: [CARTER-L] "Melungeon Roots: A Family Heritage Workshop" Berea College, KY Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Melungeon Roots: A Family Heritage Workshop" Berea College, KY Recent books and documentaries on Appalachia's mysterious Melungeons have led many people to search for their Melungeon roots. A genealogy workshop at Berea College may provide help for those who are seeking information about their families and possible Melungeon connections. "Melungeon Roots: A Family Heritage Workshop" will be held on the Berea College campus on Saturday, June 26. This event will feature sessions on beginning, intermediate, and Internet genealogy, as well as specific sessions to explore Native American and African-American connections. There will also be chat sessions for various family groups, a showing of a documentary film about the Melungeons, and a panel discussion featuring Brent Kennedy, Manuel Mira, and others.. The Melungeons are a multi-racial and multi-ethnic people who were first documented in the Appalachian mountains at the end of the 18th century. Since that time, they have become a part of Appalachian folklore - "sons and daughters of the legend." Prior to the Civil War, some were classified as "free persons of color." More recently, they have been identified by anthropologists and sociologists as "tri-racial isolates" - an amalgam of European, Native American, and African-American ancestry. They faced discrimination, both legal and social, and tended to settle in isolated communities such as Newman's Ridge in Hancock County, Tennessee, or Stone Mountain, Virginia. Over the years, Melungeons kept to themselves -- or moved to other areas where their heritage was not suspect. Oral history among Melungeon families was often not shared with succeeding generations. "Melungeon" had become an epithet, even if no one knew where the word originated. Jean Patterson Bible wrote in 1975 that generations of intermarriage has resulted in near racial dissolution: "They'll be gone in a generation or two, except for an occasional dark-complected [sic] child as a reminder of the past." Instead, many Melungeon descendants are coming to recognize and embrace the diverse heritage that is theirs. They've been encouraged and inspired by Dr. N. Brent Kennedy, author of the 1994 book The Melungeons: The Resurrection of A Proud People; An Untold Story of Ethnic Cleansing in America. Kennedy, in researching his own family background, concludes that the Melungeons were descended from groups of Spaniards, Portuguese, Turks, Berbers, Moors, Jews, and others who arrived on these shores between the arrival of Columbus and the establishment of Jamestown. Generations of intermarriage with Europeans, Native Americans, and African-Americans resulted in the people now known as Melungeons. Participants may pre-register before June 1, for "Melungeon Roots: A Family Heritage Workshop" by sending a check or money order to: Melungeon Roots, P.O. Box 4042, Wise, VA 24293. Admission to the event is $5 for each pre-registered participant (before June 1), and $10 for those who register after June 1 and for on-site registrants. On-site registration begins Friday, June 25, at 7:00 pm at the Alumni Building on the Berea campus. The Melungeon Heritage Association, Inc. will hold a mixer on Friday night at the Alumni Building from 7 to 9 pm. Workshops will begin on Saturday morning at 9:00 am at Phelps-Stokes Hall, with welcoming remarks by Audie Kennedy, president of the Melungeon Heritage Association, Inc., and Gordon McKinney of the Berea College Appalachian Center. Workshops will be held in the Frost Building and Phelps Stokes chapel. Chat groups will be running all day at various locations on campus. Throughout the day, "Melungeon Roots" will feature "how-to" genealogy sessions as well as sessions on Native American, African-American, and Portuguese-American genealogy. A panel discussion with a question-and-answer session will close the workshop. "Melungeon Roots: A Family Heritage Workshop" is sponsored by the Appalachian Center at Berea College, continuing the college's long tradition of commitment to Appalachia and to diversity. The event is organized by the Melungeon Heritage Association, Inc. (MHA), a non-profit organization formed in 1998. MHA was an outgrowth of the highly successful First Union: A Melungeon Gathering held in Wise in 1997. In 1998, MHA sponsored Second Union, an even larger gathering which featured sessions and lectures on history, social issues, and medical issues, as well as genealogy. The gatherings are only a part of the work of MHA. The organization is also dedicated to several other tasks, including continued research and writing, telling the story of the Melungeon people, and contributing to the mosaic of a past that has been hidden too long. At the same time, MHA plans to collect and preserve the research and artifacts of the past, forming the basis of a Melungeon Research Center to give these materials a permanent home. MHA�s mission is to document and preserve the heritage and cultural legacy of mixed- ancestry people of the Southern Appalachians. While the focus will be on those of Melungeon heritage, they do not restrict themselves to honoring only this group, but believe in the dignity of all such mixed ancestry groups. MHA is committed to preserving this rich heritage of racial diversity and harmony. MHA plans to hold Third Union in the summer of 2000. In the meantime, "Melungeon Roots" is the first of several planned smaller events which will focus on individual aspects of Melungeon heritage. PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: MELUNGEON ROOTS "Melungeon Roots: A Family Heritage Workshop" will be held on the Berea College campus in Berea, Kentucky, on Saturday, June 26. This event will feature sessions on beginning, intermediate, and Internet genealogy, as well as specific sessions on other aspects of Melungeon genealogy. To register, send five dollars per registrant to Melungeon Roots, P.O. Box 4042, Wise, VA 24293.
I am looking for information about SEATON Cemetery in Shaw's Point. I believe it no longer exists but I was wondering if anyone might have information on who was buried there and when the cemetery ceased to exist. I also need information on the Sulphur Springs Cemetery in Nilwood Township. I am looking for the names CLIFTON and MENUTH. Any help is appreciated! Thanks! Sandy
At 01:43 PM 3/15/99 -0600, you wrote: >I have a whole bunch of Wood in my family in Macoupin County. Married into the >Moores. No Maxy though. Could her parents be relation or brothers or sisters? >Nancy Moore Hi Nancy, My Maxy WOOD's parents were Stephen & Preshea (Riley) WOOD. Her parents were Ninian Riley & Elizabeth Taylor The family was all originally from Montgomery Co. Maryland, then moved to North Carolina about 1790, and then to Fayette Co. KY about 1800. Quite a while later Stephen & Preshea and family moved again, just a bit north to Shelby Co. KY. In 1830 they moved once more, to Greene Co. IL, arriving in Sept 1830. Their son Amon Wood had a very large family and left a lot of descendants in Greene Co. He helped found a village once called Woodville, but which today only exists as a farm-area crossroads called "Woody," south of Carrollton. The name Moore does not ring any bells, so it is possible they were not connected. We don't presently have any info on Stephen's brothers or sisters, but his father was said to be Jacob Wood, also of Montgomery Co. Maryland. There were a number of Wood folks in that area in late 1700's, at least some of which must have been related. Let me know if any of this rings a bell! Gloria Atwater
At 11:45 AM 3/16/99 -0800, you wrote: >The person who requested in information on the Bronaugh was me. Gloria >Poindexter Atwater and I (ggrandmother was a Poindexter, who married a >Robinett in Shelby County in 1859) have considerable information on these >family lines and will be happy to share. > >Gary Clifton >California Hi Y'all, Ha, I knew it had to be Gary! And he is right, anyone with questions regarding our Poindexters, Robinetts, Bronaughs et all, feel free to holler. Gary has been a most tenacious whirlwind of research, and between us we've gathered quite a lot of stuff! Thanks, of course, to a lot of other helpful folks! Gloria Atwater Gardnerville, NV
Hi Y'all, Wow, this is fun! I love the Lists! Thank you for the info. I have one biographical article on John Bronaugh, though I forget what year, but it may be the one you speak of. Another cousin of mine got a copy of it through some researcher. I'll have to contact the library, and see if they will copy the articles for me. I just don't have the jingle to buy the whole books ... Louisa Poindexter-Bronaugh was my great-great grandpa James Newton Poindexter's eldest sister. Thomas & Maxy (Wood) Poindexter were their parents. Most of the Poindexter clan moved to Missouri and Oregon about 1845-50, but Louisa stayed behind. So I've only lately started looking into the parts of the family that stayed in the Midwest. I knew the Bronaughs were quite prominent, but it's great to learn more about their daughter and her husband, the Hendersons. Memories handed down amongst the Oregon Poindexters, from young cousins who came back to visit Maxy Henderson in later years, recall that Maxy was very much the "Colonial lady," living in elegant style and always playing the gracious hostess, very up in society. So I guess I can see why! The person in California who was also looking into these guys could be my nth cousin Gary Clifton, who lives just down the road from me, across the CA-NV state line. If not him, than I've no clue. Thank you for the information, and I will be talking to the Library soon! And I'd love to know if John Bronaugh was ever Mayor of Virden, as that is one of the stories I got. Boy, quite the enterprising family. Yup, I've got to talk to Wanda Lake! Thanks again! Gloria Atwater At 11:36 AM 3/15/99 -0600, you wrote: >The 1891 Macoupin County History contains wonderful biographical sketches >of both John Henderson and John Bronaugh, along with their photos. The >book sells for $32, plus postage it is $36. The 1875-1893 Macoupin Co. >Plat Book also depicts large land holdings of the Henderson family and >sells for $18 mailing totals $21. These books can be purchased from the >Macoupin County Historical Society, Box 432, Carlinville, IL 62626. > >Maxie Henderson left farm property for the establishment of the first >library in Virden, IL. The 1891 history also contains background on >Henderson and Bronaugh's wives. Louisa Bronaugh was the daughter of a >Thomas Poindexter. There are streets in Virden named Bronaugh and Henderson. > >The librarian, Wanda Lake, at West Public Library, 142 W Jackson St., >Virden, IL 62690, Tel. No. 217-965-3015, advises that a gentleman from >California was interested in the Bronaugh, Poindexter, etc. families >sometime ago. Are you aware of who this might be? She didn't keep the name and address, but did send them quite a bit of information. She is checking with the City Hall and will determine if a Bronaugh was ever mayor of Virden. Henderson was head of one of the banks as well as a large land holder. The email address of the Virden Library is: vie_ill@vax.lcls.lib.il.us Happy Hunting!
The 1891 Macoupin County History contains wonderful biographical sketches of both John Henderson and John Bronaugh, along with their photos. The book sells for $32, plus postage it is $36. The 1875-1893 Macoupin Co. Plat Book also depicts large land holdings of the Henderson family and sells for $18 mailing totals $21. These books can be purchased from the Macoupin County Historical Society, Box 432, Carlinville, IL 62626. Maxie Henderson left farm property for the establishment of the first library in Virden, IL. The 1891 history also contains background on Henderson and Bronaugh's wives. Louisa Bronaugh was the daughter of a Thomas Poindexter. There are streets in Virden named Bronaugh and Henderson. The librarian, Wanda Lake, at West Public Library, 142 W Jackson St., Virden, IL 62690, Tel. No. 217-965-3015, advises that a gentleman from California was interested in the Bronaugh, Poindexter, etc. families sometime ago. Are you aware of who this might be? She didn't keep the name and address, but did send them quite a bit of information. She is checking with the City Hall and will determine if a Bronaugh was ever mayor of Virden. Henderson was head of one of the banks as well as a large land holder. The email address of the Virden Library is: vie_ill@vax.lcls.lib.il.us Happy Hunting!
Hi John, No, I have not got a reply yet on John P. & Maxy Henderson in the 1880 Macoupin census. If you have this info and can send it, please consider yourself hugged! Thanks a bunch! Gloria Atwater At 01:32 PM 3/15/99 -0500, you wrote: >If you don't have the answer to your question about 1880 I can furnish the >answer. >-----Original Message----- >From: Tye & Gloria Atwater <t&gatwater@nanosecond.com> >To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com <ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 12:37 AM >Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] 1880 census? John P. & Maxy Z. Henderson > > >>Hi Y'all, >> I got so lucky with my earlier query for BRONAUGH in 1880, I >thought >>I would try again. >> Can anyone see if there is a John P. & Maxy Z. HENDERSON in 1880 >>Macoupin Co.? This is a married daughter of the Bronaugh clan, and I would >>very much like to know who lives with them, if they had any kids, etc. I >>sure hope someone can tell me if these folks appear on census. I don't >know >>if they lived in Virden, but they may have. >> Thank you in advance to anyone who may have an answer! I do >>appreciate you help. >> Thanks again, >> >> Gloria Atwater
Another Macoupin Co. pioneer. Jim Windsor from the BIOGRAPHICAL RECORD OF MACOUPIN COUNTY, ILLINOIS, by Richmond and Arnold, 1904, p. 141, 142: HENRY GRIFFEL. We take pleasure in presenting to the readers of this Biographical Record of Macoupin County the gentleman whose names heads these lines. He is one of the most prominent and influential agriculturists of the county, and resides on his well cultivated farm of 280 acres, which is situated in sections 10, 11, 14, 15 and 16, Brushy Mound township. He was born May 28, 1845, in Hanover, Germany. Mr. Griffel came to America in 1874, first locating in Baltimore Maryland, where he ramained but a short time, removing the same year to Macoupin County, Illinois, where he rented a farm. Although he began at a lowly station in life, he at once rose in the ranks of the business world. He continued in the pursuits of general farming upon the rented farm until he had accumulated a sufficient sum to purchase a farm and in 1893 he purchased his present property, which then consisted of 240 acres, to which he has since added 40 acres. By his shrewd business methods and unceasing hard work he has accumulated considerable property, and has established his true and honest character throughout the county. He is also prominently identified with the leading stock raisers of Macoupin County, raising cattle, horses, sheep and hogs quite extensively. Our subjects political views make him a Republican, but he has never taken an active position in any political affairs. Our subject was first married to Caroline Wehrenberg, and to them were born seven children, namely: Helena, Fred, Mary, Charles, Henry, William, and John. His first wife died in 1901. He then was wedded to Mrs. Mary Ziegemeier, a native of Germany, who had been a resident of Menard County, Illinois, for 33 years. She had four children by her first marriage, as follows: Lena, wife of Carl Kreis, of Menard County, Illinois; Mary, deceased, who was the wife of Carl Schrimp, of Menard County, Illinois; Minnie, deceased; and Hilda, who still resides with her mother. Mr. Griffel adheres to the German Lutheran Church of which Mrs. Griffel is also a member.
Another Macoupin Co. pioneer. Jim Windsor from the PORTRAIT AND BIOGRAPHICAL RECORD OF MACOUPIN COUNTY, ILLINOIS, 1891, p. 498, 499: REV. LUKE DILLIARD, who resides on section 31, Gillespie Township, is numbered among the honored pioneers of the county. Few men have here so long resided. He came in 1838, and has since continously made his home within the borders of Macoupin County, where he has labored untiringly for the upbuilding of its best interests and promotion of those enterprises which are calculated to enhance the general welfare. He comes of a race of farmers who for several generations had resided in North Carolina. His grandparents lived and died in that State and his father, Mark Dilliard, was also there born. He learned the coopers trade and in Nroth Carolina married Milbery Elguner, who was also born of North Carolina parents. In later years Mark Dilliard and his wife with their children emigrated to Middle Tennessee, and located upon a farm where the husband and father died November 26, 1826, the age of fifty-six years, his birth having occurred March 20, 1770. Some five years later, in 1830, the widow emigrated with her family to Logan County, Ky., and in 1831, took up her residence in Todd County of the same State. Subsequently she returned to Robertson County, Tenn., and there lived during the great cholera epidemic in 1833, when many of her friends died. In 1836, she again went to Logan County, where she made her home until 1838, when with her children, our subject and Mrs. Wells, she started for Illinois with a company of others. They left their old home on the first Monday in October and traveling in covered wagons at length reached Brushy Mound Township, Macoupin County, on the last Saturday in November. At night they had camped out along the way and bore the usual experiences and hardships of such a journey. Re. Luke Dilliard was only three years of age when his father died and by his mother he was tenderly cared for until he was able to repay her by his care. There were five children in the family but only our subject and his sister, Mr. Wells, of Wilson County, Kan., who is now seventy-five of age, are yet living. After their arrival in this county they and the mother residedf upon a rented farm until in 1844, when Mr. Dilliard secured a tract of land in Gillespie Township to which they removed and he began the development of the farm which since been his home. It is located on section 31, and consisted first of only forty acres but from time to time, as his financial resources had increased, he extended its boundries until it now comprises one hundred and thirty-eight acres which are under a high state of cultivation. He also yet owns sixty acres of pasture land and has other posessions which he has generously bequethed to his children. He owned a valuable tract of two hundred and forty acres which is now owned by his eldest son, M. H. Dilliard, also in Gillespie Township. Upon a forty-acre tract which he once possessed is a divide which separates the head waters of two of the important streams which drain this and other counties and untimately empty into the Mississippi River. It is no easy task to develop a new farm but Mr. Dilliard worked industriously from early morning to late at night and each year saw an increased acreage under cultivation. The usual trials and difficulties of pioneer life fell to his lot but with a determination to win success he overcame all obstacles and won his way to a place among the substantial farmers of this community. The farm which he now owns is under most excellent cultivation, is well supplied with good buildings and the stock which he raises is of fine grades. Upon lifes journey Mr. Dilliard has been aided by one who has proved a true helpmate to him. In December 31, 1845, in St. Louis, Mo., he was united in marriage with Nancy Adams, who was born near Cumberland Gap, Tenn., April 14, 1829, and is a daughter of Giles M. and Elizabeth (Miller) Adams, natives of North Carolina and South Carolina respectively. During childhood they went with their parents to East Tennessee, where they were married and lived until after their first two children were born. Mrs. Dilliard was about two months old when the little family came overland to Illinois and settled in the wilderness of Madison County near the boundary line of Edwards County. In 1831, Mr. Adams secured land from the Government in Gillespie Township, Macoupin County, where in a log cabin home they lived the life of true pioneers. Their first dwelling was replaced in 1843 by a good frame house and the following year a frame barn was builtthe first of the kind in all this secton of the country. In after years, when quite old, Mr. and Mrs. Adams left their homestead and went to live with their youngest son in Montgomery County, where they spent their last days, dying at an advanced age. They were well-known pioneers of Gillespie Township and highly respected people. Mrs. Dilliard is the eldest daughter and second child in their family of five children, of whom the eldest and youngest are now deceased. Almost her entire life has been spent in Gillespie Township and among the people who have so long known her she has made many warm friends. Eight children have been born of the union of our subject and his wife, of whom they have lost twoAlmeda who died in childhood and W. C. who died at the age of twenty-six years. Matthew, the eldest surviving member of the family, married Lulu Boyce and owns and operates a two hundred and forty-acre farm in Gillespie Township; Giles M., a farmer of Reno County, Kan., wedded Mattie McBride; James I., who married Mattie M. Needler, now deceased, is manager of the Belt and Dilliard Bank of Collinosville, Ill.; Lorenzo D., who has been blind from his birth, was educated in the Institute for the Blind at Jacksonville, and learned the trade of brush-maker but has never followed it. He is a skilled musician and has composed a number of pieces, displaying a great ability; Edward, who wedded Catherine Roe, graduated from medical college and is now successfully engaged in practice in Stillman Valley; Mary J., who graduated from the female college of Fulton, Mo., and was a successful teacher before her marriage, is now the wife of William Mattox, secretary of the coal company of Sorento, Ill. Mr. Dilliard has ever been a warm friend to the cause of education and provided his children with excellent advantages. All but one are graduates of some college and they have become useful men and women, respected members of society who do honor to their parents. Mr. and Mrs. Dilliard have long been faithful members of the Baptist Church. He united with the church on the fourth Sunday in October, 1840, and in 1843, was licensed to preach. Three years later he was ordained, since which time he has been more or less actively connected with the work of the ministry in this county. The good which he has done cannot be estimated. He has aided in the organization of some of the leading churches of the county and by precept as well as example has led many to a knowledge of the truth. The educational interests of the community have been promoted through his efforts and since the winter of 1844-45, when he taught his first school he has been a well-known educator in this county. One winter he taught school every day in the week, singing school for four nights out of every week and on Sunday occupied the pulpit. His upright life has won him the respect and esteem of all with whom he has been brought in contact and his many acts of kindness and charity have won him the love of many who have been the recipients of his bounty. He has many friends and few, if any, enemies and no man is more deserving of a representation in this volume than the honored pioneer, Rev. Luke Dilliard. Mr. Dilliard is a Master mason, he is a member of Bunker Hill Lodge No. 151.
Thought I would add this, another Macoupin Co. pioneer. Jim Windsor >From the PORTRAIT AND BIOGRAPHICAL RECORD OF MACOUPIN COUNTY, ILLINOIS, Biographical Publishing Company, Chicago, 1891: WILLIAM ANDERSON, who is engaged in farming on section 5, Cahokia Township, where he has made his home for seventeen years, has the honor of being one of the pioneer settlers of Macoupin County, where he has resided almost continiously since his early childhood. No one in the community is more deserving of a representation in the countys history than he, and it is with pleasure that we present his sketch to the readers of the RECORD. Mr. Anderson was born in Putnam County, Ind., near Greencastle, February 14, 1832. His father,* James Anderson, was a native of Tennessee, of English and Scotch descent, and made framing his life work. He married a Miss Whitehead and they resided in Tennessee until after all of their children were born when they emigrated to Putnam County, Ind., which was then in its infancy, the greater part of the land being still in its primitive condition, while the work of civilization and progress seemed scarcely begun. Upon the farm which he there developed James Anderson and his wife abided until death called the mother to the home beyond. He afterward went to Boone County, where he spent his last days with one of his daughters. He had served as a private in the Black Hawk War and was a man of prominence in the community where he resided. He held membership with the Baptist Church and both he and his wife were highly esteemed people. Thomas Anderson, the father of our subject, was born in the state of Tennessee where he spent the greater part of his childhood and youth. Soon after removing to Indiana he attatned his majority and was joined in wedlock with Miss Mary Scott, a native of North Carolina, who when a young maiden went to Indiana with her parents, Robert and Martha (Profitt) Scott, the family locating in Putnam County, whence the parents removed in 1831 to Macoupin County, Ill. They became pioneers of this region and here died when well advanced in years. One child was born unto Thomas Anderson and wife in Indiana and they then came in 1834 to Macoupin County, settling in what is not Honey Point Township, where both died in middle life, the mother in 1838, the father in 1843. He was a faithful and consistent member of the Baptist Church, as was also Mrs. Anderson. The subject of this sketch is the eldest of five children, of whom four sons by a second marrige are yet living. He was left an orphan when only eleven years of age, when he began to make his own way in the world and has since been dependent upon his own resources. He may truly be called a self-made man and certainly he deserves no little credit fo his success in life. He began as a farm hand and for four years was employed in a saw mill by Columbus Corr. He had previously worked for two other farmers in the neighborhood and his fidelity to his employers was such that he never had to seek for work, but on the contrary was sought by those in need of such services. At length by industry and economy he had secured enough money to purchase a small tract of land began farming for himself. As a helpmate on lifes journey he chose Miss Lydia J. Huddlestun, who was born in the county in 1837, and is the youngest daughter of John and Nancy (Dunn) Huddlestun, who were natives of Tennessee and were married after their emigration to the Hoosier State. At an early day they came to this county, locating in Cahokia Township and afterward made a home in Brushy Mound Township, but in the fomrer they spent their last days. Mr. Huddlestun died before the birh to Mrs. Anderson. The mother long survived him, passing away at a ripe old age. Both were identified with the Methodist Church. The combined capital of Mr. and Mrs. Anderson on their marriage was little more than $400 but as the result of their united labors, their perseverence and enterprise, they acquired a handsome property. The raw prairie which our subject purchased in Brushy Mound Township continued to be their home until their removal to the farm in Cahokia Township some seventeen years ago. He now owns two hundred and forty acres of valuable land, constituting one of the best farms in the county, upon which may be seen substantial improvements in the shape of good buildings and machinery, together with a fine residence. He also raises excellent grades of stock, which like his real estate give evidence of the care of the owner. After a happy married life of twenty-five years, during which she had proved a true helpmate to her husband, Mrs. Anderson was called to her final rest. She was a faithful member of the Baptist Church, a consistent friend and a loving wife and mother. She died April 9, 1881, at the age of forty-three years, leaving six children to share with the husband in his bereavement. John T., the eldest, wedded Matilda Mitchell, now deceased, and follows farming in Honey Point Township. Samuel F. assists in the operation of the home farm; Clara J. since her mothers death, has presided over the home and taken charge of the household duties; William Luther who married Cora Winsor, is a farmer living in Clyde; Ida A. is the wife of James McReynolds, an agriculturalist of Honey Point Township; and Charles L., is at home. Two children died prior to the mothers deathJoseph and an infant. Mr. Anderson is a member of the Baptist Church, in which he has served as Deacon for a number of years. He affiliates with the National Greenback party, and has held a number of local offices, the duties of which were very faithfully performed. His example in many respects is well worthy of emulation and should serve to encourage young men who, like himself, who have to start out in life empty handed. His prosperity is not due to good luck but is the result of years of laborious effort, industry, perserverance and good management. (*Father is in the original but this should be grandfather.)
The 1891 Macoupin County History contains wonderful biographical sketches of both John Henderson and John Bronaugh, along with their photos. The book sells for $32, plus postage it is $36. The 1875-1893 Macoupin Co. Plat Book also depicts large land holdings of the Henderson family and sells for $18 mailing totals $21. These books can be purchased from the Macoupin County Historical Society, Box 432, Carlinville, IL 62626. Maxie Henderson left farm property for the establishment of the first library in Virden, IL. The 1891 history also contains background on Henderson and Bronaugh's wives. Louisa Bronaugh was the daughter of a Thomas Poindexter. There are streets in Virden named Bronaugh and Henderson. The librarian, Wanda Lake, at West Public Library, 142 W Jackson St., Virden, IL 62690, Tel. No. 217-965-3015, advises that a gentleman from California was interested in the Bronaugh, Poindexter, etc. families sometime ago. Are you aware of who this might be? She didn't keep the name and address, but did send them quite a bit of information. She is checking with the City Hall and will determine if a Bronaugh was ever mayor of Virden. Henderson was head of one of the banks as well as a large land holder. The email address of the Virden Library is: vie_ill@vax.lcls.lib.il.us Happy Hunting!
Hi Y'all, I got so lucky with my earlier query for BRONAUGH in 1880, I thought I would try again. Can anyone see if there is a John P. & Maxy Z. HENDERSON in 1880 Macoupin Co.? This is a married daughter of the Bronaugh clan, and I would very much like to know who lives with them, if they had any kids, etc. I sure hope someone can tell me if these folks appear on census. I don't know if they lived in Virden, but they may have. Thank you in advance to anyone who may have an answer! I do appreciate you help. Thanks again, Gloria Atwater