Hit delete if you already have this site. Railroad Records and Genealogical Information Prior to 1936 http://www.rrb.gov/geneal2.html Quoting from the website: "The U.S. Railroad Retirement Board are limited to individuals who worked in the rail industry after 1935. It is possible to request these records. Please do not contact us with requests for records before that date. We don't have that information. However we do know where some of the records are. In response to your inquiries we have compiled a list of depositories that we are aware of with railroad records. (Send additions or corrections to webmaster@rrb.gov) " .....see webpage - read on.......... Gloria

Yes, and thanks to Elaine Miller who found a couple addresses for Scott, Scott is going to write to Dick right away. Without the internet, we may have never found Scott. Thanks. Gloria At 09:06 AM 5/25/99 -0500, you wrote: >UIUC in Gloria's message refers to the University of Illinois at >Urbana-Champaign. > > >Judy > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >Difference between ILMACOUP-L and ILMACOUP-D: >ILMACOUP-L mailing list allows you to receive every posting made to ILMACOUP as a separate email. >ILMACOUP-D mailing list allows you to receive several postings as a single large message. > > ------------------ Gloria Frazier Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm

UIUC in Gloria's message refers to the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Judy

How about we just call ourselves American. All we need to do is look at our northern neighbor to see the effect of English Canadian vs. French Canadian. Many other (bloody) examples throughout the world and throughout history show the error trying to be a hyphenated person. For the record, I am an American whose ancestors lived in Germany, England, Scotland, Italy (and possibly Ireland). All of them choose to come to America. In all of the earliest records that we can find and in all family traditions, they referred to themselves as Americans (not as hyphenated Americans). In fact, they seemed to feel that it was a slur on their character and their acceptance into society if someone else referred to them as a hyphen. They were all proud of their heritage (as am I), but they all chose to be Americans. We should retain that pride in where we came from, but also be proud of where we are and where we are going. Its bad enough that our country's leading politician is trying to break us up into little groups vying for federal handouts and looking with hostility at everyone else without the friendly family of genealogy helping him out. Rather than tying up the rootsweb list with replies and flames, I'd welcome comments to me privately, Sincerely, Mark Moeser MMoeser237@aol.com

"He" prob wishes I would go away but I have written to him to see what part of Macoupin he was in. Probably on this list and I am talking behind his back.<g> I agree with Bethel Ridge. Yes, it has been listed in TRIII. But Asbury was on the west side of Macoupin and thot if he was in that area he might have been over in Greene Co???? Gloria At 08:51 AM 5/24/99 -0500, you wrote: >There is a cemetery near Atwater located in the northeast part of Macoupin County by the name of Bethel Ridge - has been there >since the late 1800's at least. There are quite a few of my ancestors buried there. I thought it was listed in the Tombstones >Revelations as my Dad has a copy but I may be wrong. Regardless it is located about 2 miles southwest of the village of Atwater >or 3-5 miles north of SR108 off the road formerly known as the Atwater Road. Will try to get the new road names checked in the >next few days. Jan Johnson Spfld., IL > > >> >> >> Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Do you recognize these names for what cemetery? >> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 15:26:04 -0500 >> From: Gloria Frazier <glofra@townsqr.com> >> To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com >> >> A recent visitor to northern Macoupin County found a cemetery and >> jotted down a few names. He thinks/thought it was Bethel Cem. but >> according to Tombstone Revelations, there is no Bethel in the area. >> Then we thot Metcalf but the following names were not transcribed >> for Metcalf. >> >> The road sign read: Clark Rd. 23000 N. 3000 Blk, and Bethel Rd, >> 3000 E. 2300 Blk. >> >> Emett R. Sanson 1924 >> Mayberry >> Samuel Bates , Civil War >> Paul Woodrow Shirley, 1817-1820 >> Stottler 1996 >> >> Anyone know the cemetery where these names would be found?? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Gloria >> >> Oh, BTW, the roads in Macoupin County have been named in the past >> year. Don't know when a map will be out with all the names of the >> roads on it, tho. >> >> ------------------ >> Gloria Frazier >> Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm >> >> ______________________________ >> >> - ------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- >> > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from ILMACOUP-D-request@rootsweb.com, send a message to > ILMACOUP-D-request@rootsweb.com >that contains in the body of the message the command > unsubscribe >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. AOL requires a subject line. > > ------------------ Gloria Frazier Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm

Hi Dick, I just put out the "holler" our for Scott's new email address the other day since I recently went thru the queries and, hopefully, cleaned up some invalid addresses. The invalid one was: "Scott Meyer" <S-meyer@sun.sws.uiuc.edu> Ah, ha, if you or someone can figure out this university, you might contact the univ and see if they had a new address for him and would ask him to contact you if he does have an email address. He may have graduated or if teaching, another job. Better chance if you ask to have him contact you less they think you have an undesirable purpose. Sometimes at the university address/url (if you can find this one) they will have a list for students or alumni or teachers. You have to work thru some pages sometimes to find them. Just pick an address and try. Can't hurt to try. If anyone on the list might have worked with him on genealogy, holler. If you find him and he is still interested in the name Burgdorff have him contact me with new address. And, as Jim Windsor said sometime ago, some people just lose interest in genealogy and it would be nice in that case if they would remove their query and address. Thanks. Good luck. Gloria --------------------- Can you put me in contact with the correct person? I found a Burgdorff family related Query that was posted in 1997 by a Scott Meyer. The space which gives the e-mail address states: Invalid I've looked hi and low for phone or Email reference but found none. I found eight references on the Illinois Genweb surname search (for Burgdorff surname) but could find none that had a valid means for contacting Scott Meyer. Thank you Dick Norman RLNorman@prodigy.net ------------------ Gloria Frazier Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm

Gloria, I wonder if your octogenarian "Celtic ethnic expert" would permit us Scots-Irish to call ourselves Ulster-Irish? It must have been a most interesting conversation...... Ann McREYNOLDS (just one of several Scots-Irish surnames in my ancestry!)

Jan, Not sure that is the one we are referring to, although I do find a Bethel Ridge Cemetery listed in Shaw's Point Twp., which is evidently the one you are referring to. This is located on the central eastern edge of Macoupin close to Montgomery Co. We are referring to one in Barr Twp. which is located northwestern edge and close to Greene County. Quite a distance apart. I want to get down to Barr this week, not sure I will make it. Every Memorial Day I am going to go and haven't made it yet. Someone needs to put flowers on all those kin of mine in Asbury. If I make it, I will drive around if the weather cooperates. One doesn't want to wander around Barr if it has rained. Might have to go through that *creek* Gloria referred to..LOL. Wish I had time to read Asbury Cemetery, but it is just too big for one trip. Maybe I can start and go back sometime. Obviously it needs reread as Bob Colby found several that weren't listed and I know my gggrandparents are there and they aren't listed. We need a new map with the 911 named road listings. Can anyone send me a copy of one for Barr Twp.? Would really appreciate it. Mary Ann At 08:51 AM 5/24/99 -0500, you wrote: >There is a cemetery near Atwater located in the northeast part of Macoupin County by the name of Bethel Ridge - has been there >since the late 1800's at least. There are quite a few of my ancestors buried there. I thought it was listed in the Tombstones >Revelations as my Dad has a copy but I may be wrong. Regardless it is located about 2 miles southwest of the village of Atwater >or 3-5 miles north of SR108 off the road formerly known as the Atwater Road. Will try to get the new road names checked in the >next few days. Jan Johnson Spfld., IL > > >> >> >> Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Do you recognize these names for what cemetery? >> Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 15:26:04 -0500 >> From: Gloria Frazier <glofra@townsqr.com> >> To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com >> >> A recent visitor to northern Macoupin County found a cemetery and >> jotted down a few names. He thinks/thought it was Bethel Cem. but >> according to Tombstone Revelations, there is no Bethel in the area. >> Then we thot Metcalf but the following names were not transcribed >> for Metcalf. >> >> The road sign read: Clark Rd. 23000 N. 3000 Blk, and Bethel Rd, >> 3000 E. 2300 Blk. >> >> Emett R. Sanson 1924 >> Mayberry >> Samuel Bates , Civil War >> Paul Woodrow Shirley, 1817-1820 >> Stottler 1996 >> >> Anyone know the cemetery where these names would be found?? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Gloria >> >> Oh, BTW, the roads in Macoupin County have been named in the past >> year. Don't know when a map will be out with all the names of the >> roads on it, tho. >> >> ------------------ >> Gloria Frazier >> Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm >> >> ______________________________ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from ILMACOUP-D-request@rootsweb.com, send a message to > ILMACOUP-D-request@rootsweb.com >that contains in the body of the message the command > unsubscribe >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. AOL requires a subject line. > > > CC & Mail List Manager Jersey County ILGenWeb

There is a cemetery near Atwater located in the northeast part of Macoupin County by the name of Bethel Ridge - has been there since the late 1800's at least. There are quite a few of my ancestors buried there. I thought it was listed in the Tombstones Revelations as my Dad has a copy but I may be wrong. Regardless it is located about 2 miles southwest of the village of Atwater or 3-5 miles north of SR108 off the road formerly known as the Atwater Road. Will try to get the new road names checked in the next few days. Jan Johnson Spfld., IL > > > Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Do you recognize these names for what cemetery? > Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 15:26:04 -0500 > From: Gloria Frazier <glofra@townsqr.com> > To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com > > A recent visitor to northern Macoupin County found a cemetery and > jotted down a few names. He thinks/thought it was Bethel Cem. but > according to Tombstone Revelations, there is no Bethel in the area. > Then we thot Metcalf but the following names were not transcribed > for Metcalf. > > The road sign read: Clark Rd. 23000 N. 3000 Blk, and Bethel Rd, > 3000 E. 2300 Blk. > > Emett R. Sanson 1924 > Mayberry > Samuel Bates , Civil War > Paul Woodrow Shirley, 1817-1820 > Stottler 1996 > > Anyone know the cemetery where these names would be found?? > > Thanks. > > Gloria > > Oh, BTW, the roads in Macoupin County have been named in the past > year. Don't know when a map will be out with all the names of the > roads on it, tho. > > ------------------ > Gloria Frazier > Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >

To All Concerned: How about a person who is English, Scottish & Irish? My daughter is expecting her first child in Nov. The paternal grandmother is from Leiscester, England. The paternal grandfather is from Scotland and we, the maternal grandmother and grandfather are Irish & English. Thank You, Pam Sherry nee Malone Ann McReynolds wrote: > > Gloria, > I wonder if your octogenarian "Celtic ethnic expert" would permit us > Scots-Irish to call ourselves Ulster-Irish? It must have been a most > interesting conversation...... > > Ann McREYNOLDS (just one of several Scots-Irish surnames in my ancestry!) > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Please send questions, comments and ideas for the Macoupin County, ILGenWeb Home Page and Mail List to: > Eric Adcock, Macoupin County, IL GenWeb Coordinator - eadcock@dave-world.ne > Kathleen Mirabella, Macoupin County, ILGenWeb Mail List Manager - KathieMir@aol.com

Would just like to say that these types of spelling errors are really common, even in 1900 & 1910. They were not listed on the index, even tho I knew my family was there, so I order the index myself (Macoupin Co.), and searched. Name was HILLMAN?HILLMANN. Nope, no where to be found. Finally I did a search for the youngest son, John Hillman, and there they ALL were, listed as part of the WILLIAM family (under W). When I looked at the actual copy of the census page, there was a smudge over the first letter ("H") and it had been read as a "W" (actually, the smudge is over most of the name on my copy) This is Mt. Olive TWP, and others shown on that page are ATTMAN MISER GRABER HAND or HAMD BORG There are a couple more that are very hard to read, but if these are yours, I would gladly share. This is the ONLY page I have, and am going to be really busy for the next two weeks, so if you do not hear back, resend after June 6. Sharon Buethner > Well, I found Alexander and Mary J Carrico in the files. They are > listed as surname Garices. > > I will go look for the others and add to the comment lines if I can > find. > > It would be great to have the microfilm. Don't know how easy or > hard it is to read. > > Thanks. > > Gloria > > From: JSi7351224@aol.com > Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 15:34:29 EDT > Subject: Possible Error in Macoupin County Census Listing for 1860 > To: glofra@townsqr.com > CC: JDSissom@juno.com > X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 > > Hi Gloria, > > I was reviewing the 1860 Macoupin County Census listing and cannot > find my > gggrandfather, whom I know is there, but fear it is due to my not > being > familiar with the method of listing. In any case, I ask that you > perhaps > review the information I have and advise if I missed it or it was > omitted. > The following information was taken from a microfilm copy of the 1860 > Macoupin County census several years ago: > > > The federal census record July 12, 1860, between the creeks > (Apple > Creek and Macoupin) for Macoupin County, Illinois, shows the > following: > > pg 742-743 > 866/866 age sex trade born > Silas Carrico 43 M Farmer Ohio > Catherine 39 F Ohio > Samuel Carrico 19 M Clerk Illinois > Laura 15 F Illinois > Harriet 8 F Illinois > Lucy C. 5 F Illinois > Aaron Davis 25 M Farm Hand > > 867/867 age sex trade born > John C. Carrico 81 M Farmer Maryland > Elizabeth 81 F Virginia > > > The federal census record taken June 30, 1860, for Macoupin > County, > Illinois, shows the following: > > Township 9 range 9 Chesterfield page 32 > 366-349 age sex trade born > Sylvester Ransom 36 Ohio > Sarah 27 NY > Alexander Carrico 44 Ohio > Mary J. Carrico 3 ILL > > It seemed strange that none of the persons were listed except > Sylvester and > Sarah Ransom. There are several CARICO families listed, but none > of the > CARRICO families could I find. > > John Sissom -- JDSissom@Juno.com > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from ILMACOUP-D-request@rootsweb.com, send a message to > ILMACOUP-D-request@rootsweb.com > that contains in the body of the message the command > unsubscribe > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. AOL requires a > subject line. >

So that anyone who can can help me here..... I didn't know that the Original 1860 Macoupin Census goes over about 630 pages. The page numbers you give are 742-43 for the first two families. Just wanted to make sure before I keep looking. Gloria From: JSi7351224@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 15:34:29 EDT Subject: Possible Error in Macoupin County Census Listing for 1860 To: glofra@townsqr.com CC: JDSissom@juno.com X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Hi Gloria, I was reviewing the 1860 Macoupin County Census listing and cannot find my gggrandfather, whom I know is there, but fear it is due to my not being familiar with the method of listing. In any case, I ask that you perhaps review the information I have and advise if I missed it or it was omitted. The following information was taken from a microfilm copy of the 1860 Macoupin County census several years ago: The federal census record July 12, 1860, between the creeks (Apple Creek and Macoupin) for Macoupin County, Illinois, shows the following: pg 742-743 866/866 age sex trade born Silas Carrico 43 M Farmer Ohio Catherine 39 F Ohio Samuel Carrico 19 M Clerk Illinois Laura 15 F Illinois Harriet 8 F Illinois Lucy C. 5 F Illinois Aaron Davis 25 M Farm Hand 867/867 age sex trade born John C. Carrico 81 M Farmer Maryland Elizabeth 81 F Virginia The federal census record taken June 30, 1860, for Macoupin County, Illinois, shows the following: Township 9 range 9 Chesterfield page 32 366-349 age sex trade born Sylvester Ransom 36 Ohio Sarah 27 NY Alexander Carrico 44 Ohio Mary J. Carrico 3 ILL It seemed strange that none of the persons were listed except Sylvester and Sarah Ransom. There are several CARICO families listed, but none of the CARRICO families could I find. John Sissom -- JDSissom@Juno.com

Well, I found Alexander and Mary J Carrico in the files. They are listed as surname Garices. I will go look for the others and add to the comment lines if I can find. It would be great to have the microfilm. Don't know how easy or hard it is to read. Thanks. Gloria From: JSi7351224@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 15:34:29 EDT Subject: Possible Error in Macoupin County Census Listing for 1860 To: glofra@townsqr.com CC: JDSissom@juno.com X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 64 Hi Gloria, I was reviewing the 1860 Macoupin County Census listing and cannot find my gggrandfather, whom I know is there, but fear it is due to my not being familiar with the method of listing. In any case, I ask that you perhaps review the information I have and advise if I missed it or it was omitted. The following information was taken from a microfilm copy of the 1860 Macoupin County census several years ago: The federal census record July 12, 1860, between the creeks (Apple Creek and Macoupin) for Macoupin County, Illinois, shows the following: pg 742-743 866/866 age sex trade born Silas Carrico 43 M Farmer Ohio Catherine 39 F Ohio Samuel Carrico 19 M Clerk Illinois Laura 15 F Illinois Harriet 8 F Illinois Lucy C. 5 F Illinois Aaron Davis 25 M Farm Hand 867/867 age sex trade born John C. Carrico 81 M Farmer Maryland Elizabeth 81 F Virginia The federal census record taken June 30, 1860, for Macoupin County, Illinois, shows the following: Township 9 range 9 Chesterfield page 32 366-349 age sex trade born Sylvester Ransom 36 Ohio Sarah 27 NY Alexander Carrico 44 Ohio Mary J. Carrico 3 ILL It seemed strange that none of the persons were listed except Sylvester and Sarah Ransom. There are several CARICO families listed, but none of the CARRICO families could I find. John Sissom -- JDSissom@Juno.com

There was a James Meade that lived about two miles from our residence here is SW rural Girard, IL, and believe his wife was Mary. They are both deceased as well as their eldest son, Jim, who died of cancer at a young age several years ago. Their other two sons are Roger and Mike. Roger and his wife, the former Julie Eller, live at 112 Cottonwood, Chatham, IL Tel. No. 217-483-2061 and Mike lives at R.R. 2, Girard, IL 62640, Tel. No. 217-627-2347. Mike has continued the occupation of brick laying, and is rather artistic in his designs. Hope this is who you are hunting. Good Luck!

If you are a member of MCGS and you find a correction needed, please follow directions in the paragraph to notify the society and not me since they need to correct their records. Thanks. Macoupin County Genealogical Society Membership Surname List 1998/99 http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_gensur.htm Quote from MCGS: "And once again I find that there are several members that have no surname listings. I don�t know if I neglected to copy them, you didn�t send them, or just what. I�m sorry if your names aren�t listed. As for the inclusion of e-mail addresses, well, some of you may have changed your ISP since the last time I checked this list; some of you may not have given me your e-mail address; and to the best of my knowledge, I typed them exactly as they appeared on your sheets. So, if you find an error in your listing, please do the following: notify the society by U.S. mail; Macoupin County Genealogical Society P. O. Box 95 Staunton, IL 62088-0095 and/or e-mail Mary McKenzie at: smckenzi@midwest.net or Cindy Leonard at: cindyldq@midwest.net -------- end quote Gloria ------------------ Gloria Frazier Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm

Littleton Bradley did the hardest part in transcribing the 1850 and the 1860 Macoupin County Censuses. We think we are doing WORK by taking his transcriptions and just fixing them up to put on the web. We are very very lucky to have those censuses already transcribed. Littleton and his wife Vivian spent many hours, days, months trying to read the old and in many cases really faded handwriting of census takers. For Macoupin County Genealogy, Littleton has paid his dues. Note the books he published for Macoupin and especially Virden Township, his home area. Macoupin County, IL Original Purchasers of Land $8.00 ppd Macoupin County, IL 1850 Federal Census $8.50 ppd Macoupin County, IL 1860 Federal Census $20.00 ppd Virden, Illinois, 1860 Federal Census $5.00 ppd Virden, Illinois, 1870-1880 Federal Census $8.00 ppd Virden, Illinois, 1900 Federal Census $8.00 ppd Virden, Illinois, 1910 Federal Census $9.00 ppd Virden, Illinois, 1920 Federal Census $10.00 ppd Virden, Illinois, High School 1883-1983 $7.00 ppd Virden, Illinois, and Vicinity Obituaries Volume I 1881 - 1885 $7.00 ppd Virden, Illinois, and Vicinity Obituaries Volume II 1886 - 1889 $9.00 ppd Virden, Illinois, and Vicinity Marriages and Anniversaries Volume I 1881 - 1885 $6.00 ppd Virden, Illinois, and Vicinity Marriages and Anniversaries Volume II 1885 - 1889 $8.00 ppd So, if you have some type of card and a stamp laying around which would do as a Thank You note, drop Littleton a note and tell him thanks for giving Gloria Frazier permission to use his 1850 and 1860 Macoupin County censuses for the Macoupin County website. Order a book from him. Ask him about your Virden area ancestor. I know he would enjoy a note from a Macoupin researcher. Or, give him a call. Littleton P. Bradley 6109 East Anaheim St Mesa, AZ 85205-8309 Phone: 602-985-7276 Gloria ------------------ Gloria Frazier Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm

Trying to get caught up and know there are many things I have forgotten since starting the census. Sorry. ---- Renovations of Staunton Public Library. If you plan to visit the Macoupin County Genealogical Library Room at the Staunton Public Library after June 1, please call first, 618-635-3852. Do not make a long trip and find the genealogy collection unavailable because of renovation. It is not known when the renovations will be complete. ------------------- There are some new books in the past couple months or so and some discontinued books published by the Macoupin County Genealogical Society. Please check: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_bksale.htm#genbook - -------------------------- Great old 1875 map of Macoupin County! http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_land.jpg Click on: 1875 Atlas Map of Macoupin County - courtesy Alice Gless - agless@earthlink.net Source: "Atlas of Henry Co. Illinois to Which is Added an Atlas of the United States," Warner & Beers Publishers, Chicago, 1875 --------------------------- This may have been mentioned on the list before. Foreign Given First Names at Oconee SCGenWeb site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~scoconee/names.html http://www.rootsweb.com/~scoconee/foreign_names.txt ------------------------ A translation site: http://babelfish.altavista.com --------------------------- Homepages - Macoupin connections: Michael Odle - ODLE Genealogy PARNELL, CONLEY, HEFLEY, LANCASTER, BATES, WEAVER, and CRONIGER http://www.execpc.com/~perkodle/LaMancha.htm Tami Sneddon PEMBROKE - PINKERTON Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/5539/ - -------------------------- St. Louis is proud to be host to the FGS conference, "Meet Me in St. Louis - The People of America" August 11-14, 1999. This conference for the nation's genealogists offers nationally recognized speakers, a broad variety of topics for all skill levels and opportunities to utilize research facilities, all in a location central to the entire United States. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mostlogs/stfgs.htm The St Louis Genealogical Society <stlgsmail@primary.net> - ------------------------------ Is someone on the list or known by someone on the list who is researching the name BAGGARLY. I have the name in our query system and lost the researcher. More bouncing email addresses in Macoupin queries: "Peg Spencer" <goddesscere@yahoo.com> Carl Carter <ccc274@yahoo.com> "Jackie Niemeyer" <jackie.niemeyer@MCI2000.com> "Scott Meyer" <S-meyer@sun.sws.uiuc.edu> If you research with these people, have them to contact me for current email address. Thanks. --------------------------- Search 32,000 Civil War prisoners held at Andersonville http://www.corinthian.net/mccc/plookup.htm --------------------------- FamilySearch, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints Site http://www.familysearch.org/ Search the LDS FHL Film Catalog: http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchcatalog.asp - -------------------------- Learning html (hyper text markup language) for web pages? http://www.flash.net/~amag0254/ http://www.charm.net/~lejeune/ http://www.htmlvalidator.com/ - ---------------------------------- Gloria ------------------ Gloria Frazier Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm

Quoting below with permission: "At Epcot Center, my family was joined at our most excellently sheltered table at the Fountain Cafe during a thunderstorm by a delightful lady who appeared to be in her 80s and was partially blind, but traveling alone. In the course of our conversation, she mentioned that she is Scottish-Irish. Having endured many-a cyber argument on the correct manner of identification for a person with one Scottish and one Irish parent, and the designation of the heritage of their descendants, I jumped on this topic! I asked her to please explain to me the proper term to designate a person with one Scottish and one Irish parent. Her first reply startled me. "It depends on where you are born." Huh? She explained further, "If you have one Irish parent and one Scottish parent, whether you are an Irish-Scot or are Scottish-Irish depends upon where you are born. I have one Irish parent and one Scottish parent, and I was born in Scotland; therefore I am Scottish-Irish. Had I been born in Ireland, I would be an Irish-Scot." Further questioning elicited the fact that the terms Scot-Irish or Scots-Irish or Scotch-Irish are NOT USED. And just to be sure I understood correctly, I asked about descendants born in America. She said that they are considered to be Americans with either Scottish-Irish or Irish-Scot ancestors, but they CANNOT BE either of those things since they were not born in either Scotland or Ireland. So -- from the horse's mouth, so to speak -- If you have both Irish and Scottish ancestors who were MARRIED TO EACH OTHER and produced others of your direct ancestors, you can have Irish-Scot or Scottish-Irish HERITAGE, but you are not either of those things unless you yourself were born in either Scotland or Ireland to one Scottish parent and one Irish parent. And there is no such term as either Scot-Irish or Scots-Irish or Scotch-Irish so far as the natives of Scotland and Ireland are concerned. -- Loretta Iroquois County ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~iliroquo/ Ford County ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilford/ Iroquois County Genealogical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilicgs/" ------------------ Gloria Frazier Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm

A recent visitor to northern Macoupin County found a cemetery and jotted down a few names. He thinks/thought it was Bethel Cem. but according to Tombstone Revelations, there is no Bethel in the area. Then we thot Metcalf but the following names were not transcribed for Metcalf. The road sign read: Clark Rd. 23000 N. 3000 Blk, and Bethel Rd, 3000 E. 2300 Blk. Emett R. Sanson 1924 Mayberry Samuel Bates , Civil War Paul Woodrow Shirley, 1817-1820 Stottler 1996 Anyone know the cemetery where these names would be found?? Thanks. Gloria Oh, BTW, the roads in Macoupin County have been named in the past year. Don't know when a map will be out with all the names of the roads on it, tho. ------------------ Gloria Frazier Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm

Yes! Many thanks to Mr. Bradley. For the first time, I have all my BINNEY's together. Robert