I made my first trip to Macoupin County this week, and was charmed by the area. I found some great new information on my family (STEELY, DODSON, DANIEL, WHEELER, OWENS and WILKINSON) at both the public library and the courthouse in Carlinville, as well as friendly and helpful staff. I was unpleasantly surprised, however, to learn that the dome of the courthouse has recently been declared structurally unsound and that courthouse staff have been directed to no longer go up there to retrieve the court records that are stored there, which include items such as the earliest indexes to civil court cases, including divorces. Count me in as another one whose family who started in Macoupin and ended up in Barton County, Missouri. My Steely line did just that. My great-grandparents, William Henry Charlton and Susanna Carolyn Steely began operating the General Store in Golden City in the late 1800's. William Henry Charlton continued as its proprietor for a generation. For those of you who might be interested, I would be glad to e-mail you a photo of that general store, which shows a little of what Golden City looked like at the turn of the century. Karen Steely

I read with great interest the discussion a couple of months back concerning the migration of so many Macoupin Co. residents to Barton Co., MO. In 1866, my g-g-grandparents Thomas J. Finley and Leah Rees Finley moved from Macoupin to Barton Co. I could never figure out what prompted that move until I read the discussion about the Missouri Immigration Association. I'd be willing to bet my bottom dollar that was the motivating force behind the move. Has anyone found out any additional information about this company? Are there any other sources that could be used to research the MIA that anyone knows of? Thanks! Jill Adami

(of course I forgot to copy the maillist.....) At 10:33 AM 8/1/99 EDT, you wrote: >Hi Gloria, > I was wondering if you would have any records of naturalization papers on >my husband's great grandparents, they lived in Benld in the very early >1910's and operated a bakery, they were italian immigrants and there is no >record of naturalization in our county where they settled eventually. Their >names were Joseph Secunda Riva from Pertusio, Italy, and Matilda Pacifico >(Nivoli) Riva. They also had a daughter whom they brought with them from >Italy age 2 Catherine Riva born in Torina as her mother was. Thank you for >any input. >If you find anything can you please let me know how to go about getting >copies and the cost? >Thank you, >Lydia Granda - --------------------------- Hi Lydia, Copying the Macoupin County maillist ILMACOUP just in case they can spot something I am missing. I don't think I am going to be of much help. Maybe if you can find them on census records for that period of time, they might give info on their naturalization. "If" (many are not available, I think - might call and see if and what are available and what the cost is for a search) they are available in Macoupin County, they would be in the probate records office and the address is: Circuit Clerk Macoupin County Courthouse Carlinville IL 62626 Phone: 217/854-3211 ********** Think you probably need a "close" date for immigration but you might try Polly Paskos' route - (Kansas City would include a region and not just St Louis): Quoting her: From: James Piskos <jpiskos@hsnp.com> Subject: [StLouis-MO-L] Naturalization papers To: StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com My thanks to the kind person who sent me info re obtaining naturalization papers. I tried that address and was told for naturalization obtained in St. Louis in the time period I needed it (abt 1945) I should go to : National Archives and Records Admin. 2312 E. Bannister Kansas City, MNO 64131 (Contact Ms. Mary Burtzloff.......1-816-926-6920) Cost is $10 payable to National Archives Trust Fund.....Ask for Declaration of Intent, also; sometimes you will get names of parents, arrival date, arrival port, etc.) When I called Ms. Burtzloff, she returned my call in one day to report she had found it-----quick response! Polly Piskos ************ St Louis Public Library has a complete set of microfilm of Passenger and Immigration lists. The naturalization information page at the Macoupin County site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_natdex.htm (quite a few links on this page) Naturalization papers in the counties weren't a priority so I suspect many were probably destroyed or are rotting somewhere. Might want to try this route: Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1538-1940, CD 354 The information that can be found on CD354 is listed here. http://www.rader.org/cd354.htm There are some lookup volunteers for CD 354 at this site (free). Let the site come all the way up because if you don't you just get the first half of the site. The second half have the volunteers for other CDs besides the World Family Trees http://www.seidata.com/~lhoffman/cdlist.html If you find them on CD 354 or other CD, go here for an address for the INS. Write to see if you can get their records. http://www.italgen.com/immigrat.htm Another idea: LDS Film Catalog - search here: http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchcatalog.asp or Search LDS data: http://www.familysearch.org/

I couldn't find a real driver's license history site but found: http://www.sos.state.il.us/depts/drivers/dri_home.html you might write or call that office. They might could lead you anyway. I don't know when driver's licenses were required/law. If by 1934 or not. I didn't need one in 1955 at 13 years old, did I?<g> Well, I just "mainly" drived the tractor around. Maybe once in awhile I went to town in the truck........ Gloria At 10:36 AM 7/29/99 -0400, you wrote: >Trying to trace grandfather WILLIAM GEORGE GUSKY (b. Apr 5, 1886, im. >1900, m. Mt. Olive Apr 19, 1910, d. Wilsonville Jul 19, 1934) back to >PA, then to Lithuania. Death was possibly contributed to by auto >accident, so I know he drove. I wonder if driver's license records >are available and informative. Does anyone know, and where would >these be - the Macoupin County courthouse in Carlinville? > >Thanks in advance. > >-- >Bill Gusky >DeLand, Florida > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >Macoupin County Books that may be of interest: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_pubook.htm >Macoupin County Books and Cemetery Listings for sale: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_bksale.htm > > ------------------ Gloria Frazier Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm

Trying to trace grandfather WILLIAM GEORGE GUSKY (b. Apr 5, 1886, im. 1900, m. Mt. Olive Apr 19, 1910, d. Wilsonville Jul 19, 1934) back to PA, then to Lithuania. Death was possibly contributed to by auto accident, so I know he drove. I wonder if driver's license records are available and informative. Does anyone know, and where would these be - the Macoupin County courthouse in Carlinville? Thanks in advance. -- Bill Gusky DeLand, Florida

That is the url where she signed in on the guest book at Macoupin. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_sign.htm Her email address she used on the guest book is: rjscott@irtc.net This email address doesn't work. At 06:26 PM 7/28/99 -0700, you wrote: >On the e-mail address of Denise, it would seem something is missing as >there is a space, or there is not supposed to be the space, between the >m and the word sign. Try sending with no space. > >JW > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from ILMACOUP-D-request@rootsweb.com, send a message to > ILMACOUP-D-request@rootsweb.com >that contains in the body of the message the command > unsubscribe >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. AOL requires a subject line. > >

On the e-mail address of Denise, it would seem something is missing as there is a space, or there is not supposed to be the space, between the m and the word sign. Try sending with no space. JW

Can anyone tell me where "Eagle Praire" sic (Prairie?) was located? One of my Landreth relatives, Jonathan, sent a letter to relatives in Virginia directing them to his residence: "...then to carlingville in Macoupin Cty then to Eagle Praire there you can hear where I live..." John -- John Buck, Jr. U.S. Mail Address: 1779 Middlehurst Road Cleveland Heights, Ohio 44118-1647 Phone: 216-932-9059 Internet Address': john.buck.jr@usa.net johnbuckjr@netscape.net johnbuckjr@surfree.com To subscribe to the Roots-L BUCK surname mailing list, just send the command "subscribe" to: BUCK-L-request@rootsweb.com. Researching: In Illinois: BUCK/SUTER/HAYES/HARFORD/LANDRITH[LANDRETH]/VANCIL PAGE/DEAN In Tennessee: BUCK/RICHARDSON/GOOLSBY In Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and Connecticut: BUCK/SPOONER/GROVESTEEN In Ohio: CURRY/HARFORD and... In Wisconsin: SMITH/OLSON/KITTELESN/GROVESTEEN/SPOONER/BRAMAN/HILLIKER In New York : SMITH/DOWNS/GROVESTEEN/SPOONER/BRAMAN/SOOTS/FRANCIS/HILLIKER In Norway [Suldal, Sand, Telemark}: KITTELSEN/KJETILSON/TENGESDAL/SVINBILL

Denise Scott E-mail: rjscott@irtc.net Denise signed in at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_sign.htm but her email address bounces. She is from Jacksonville IL. Anyone recognize the ISP? Does she have the ISP address correct if you know of this ISP used at Jacksonville? She is in my Adcock Jennings line. Thanks for any help. Gloria

Hi, Regarding Joyce McKinnon's message, I'm also interested in Margaret Ward Adams - three of her children married into my Rusher families and they have been difficult to find information on. None of the bios I've found have info about Margaret's parents. Sue Raffurty McMurry > > Hi Friends: > > Looking for info on Margaret Ward b. abt. 1807, possibly in TN. Died 15 July > 1883 in Macoupin Co. Was married to William C. Adams. Seeking info on > Margaret's parents. > > Joyce McKinnon > Lockport, IL

THE THE LIST: In addition to the CUMMINGS family migrating from Macoupin County to Taney Co., MO. The families of Braxton MABRY/MAYBERRY, Reuben CLEVENGER, brothers Peter LAIR & Charles LAIR Jr. went to Taney Co., MO where they were listed in 1840 census Swan twp. (Forsyth), Taney County. Another LAIR brother, William L. LAIR was in MO, prob. Taney Co. in 1841 when dau. Elizabeth was born. Charles & William L. LAIR returned to IL in time to be listed 1850 Census in Macoupin County. Reuben CLEVENGER's wife, Sarah (MAYBERRY) was a dau. of Braxton MABRY, who was early to Macoupin Co., by 1829. They may have gone to Taney Co. as early as 1836. Peter LAIR m. Elizabeth CLEVENGER & William L. LAIR m. Martha CLEVENGER, both daus. of Reuben CLEVENGER. During the Civil War (1863), Peter LAIR returned to Macoupin Co. for a short time, returning to MO in time to be listed 1870 Census in Howell Co., MO. According to an 1878 letter, "Peter and family are somewhere in South West Missouri." Have not located him in 1880 Census. The 1878 letter says Charles LAIR Jr. was living in Macoupin County, apparently dead by 1879 (History of Macoupin Co., Ills. by Brink, etc.) and not listed 1880 Census. (He's buried in Girard Cemetery...no dates (Black Hawk War) marker) (Charles' wife was Louisa MORRIS, prob. dau. Thomas...need dates of death.) William L. LAIR was named in the letter also; he is listed 1880 Census in South Otter twp. However, William's wife, Martha (CLEVENGER) was last listed 1850 Census in Macoupin County--can't find them, 1860 Census; but she was dead by 1870 Census when he was listed in South Otter. Need dates of death and place of burial for both. According to family members, Braxton MABRY d. Taney Co., MO sometime after 1840. Reuben CLEVENGER d. Taney Co., MO between 1860-70 census. Note: Two daughters have been found for Charles & Nancy LAIR: Jane m. William BRIDGES and Katherine m. Isaac PRITCHARD, both of whom were listed 1880 Census in Macoupin County--need dates of death for both. I have been working on a book of the "LAIR Family of Macoupin County" since late 1970's...striving to have it completed next year--2000. Would love to hear from other LAIR and allied family members. Linda R.F. Arnold 28253 Stillwater Drive Menifee, CA 92584 lara93@gateway.net llwater Drive Menifee, CA 92584 lara93@gateway.net =20 =20

There were Cummings in the Plainview/Chesterfield area, below is information on Alfred B. Cummings - died in Civil War. Most, if not all of Alfred B. Cummings children migrated to Taney CO. MO and some later to the Cleveland, Oklahoma area. This group of Cummings were long associated with the Braden family as the widow of Alfred B. Cummings married James Braden b. 1819 Claiborne CO. TN. and they migrated to first Bates County MO and then to Taney CO. MO. Descendants of Alfred B. Cummings 1 Alfred B. CUMMINGS b: Abt. 1836 Died: 07 Jul 1864 in Marietta, GA. .. +Nancy Frances WALKER b: 1839 in IL m: 21 Oct 1856 in Woodburn, IL Macoupin Co. Died: 1902 in Taney Co. MO. Burial Location: Johnson Cem. Hilda, MO ..... 2 [1] Rebecca Lucinda CUMMINGS b: 13 Mar 1858 in Macoupin Co. IL ......... +??? COLLINS ..... *2nd Husband of [1] Rebecca Lucinda CUMMINGS: ......... +William H. SMITH m: 10 Feb 1874 in Macoupin Co. IL ..... 2 James Albert CUMMINGS b: 16 Aug 1860 in Macoupin Co. IL ..... 2 Pleasant Alfred CUMMINGS b: 16 Mar 1863 in Macoupin Co. IL ......... +Alice BROWN b: Unknown

I received some info from Ellan West on her Cummings family in Macoupin. There are a number of Cummings in Macoupin around 1850. But not that many. There is probably a link between the families. Cousins, brothers, etc. My William O. Cummings came from KY. (per census). Married in Macoupin in 1852. Son's James, Sylvester, and William. They settled in Bunker Hill. Ellan's born 1842 in Brighton, IL. In 1842 I saw another Cummings gentleman from NH on a list of early settlers with a date of 1855 in the Bunker Hill Township There must be a common ancestor among these Cummings. Anyone got an idea or thought on this? Roy Brown

Hello everyone.... My mother, Edith Lucille Heuer was born in Bunker Hill April 13, 1913. She was the only child of Harvey and Ella Heuer. My mother was raised in Macoupin County and died when I was only 15 years of age. I am trying to find anyone who might have known my mother. She would be 86 years old this year. Maybe someone out their might have known her and could tell me about her young life and might have even some school pictures. My father also died when I was 15 years old. I did not know him. My mother and I lived with my grandparents until one year before she passed away. After she died, I went to foster homes. We were all very close and it has always been a real void in my life. I have no brothers or sisters. Thank you for your help. Mary Zambrotto from Florida MEZ560@aol.com

Maria (Maud) CUMMINGS BRENNELL, born in Brighton, Illinois in approximately 1842, died May 21, 1869 at the age of 27. She was survived by her husband, John M. BRENNELL born in Springfield, Clark, Ohio on Jan 22, 1841. John M. remarried on November 19, 1871 to Louisa FURRY both residents of Macoupin County. John and Louisa's first child, Eliza, was born in Carlinville May 5, 1872. John M. and Maria had resided for a while (1865-1868) in Missouri, after the war, in Moselle, Franklin, Missouri. (Where he applied for a soldier's pension. Company C, First Kentucky Infantry. ) Evidently Maud's health was what brought them to Carlinville, where John's sister, Corilla BRENNELL BRIGGS, resided. Corilla writes, later in life, on another pension document, that she was a childhood friend of Maria CUMMINGS, John's first wife, and that Maria had no children. John and his second wife and his children are all buried in Hammond, Indiana. Whereabouts of Corilla and first wife Maria are unknown to me at this time. If there is any relation between Maria (Maud) CUMMINGS and William O. CUMMINGS, perhaps more info can be found in Brighton, Illinois? Roy Edward Brown, Jr., D.C. wrote: > Looking for the ancestors of William O. Cummings who married Louisa Stults. > Any info on this family would be helpful. Even if it is to add references > and notes. Would like to find his father and mother or county from KY that > they came from. > > Thanks > > Roy Brown > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from ILMACOUP-D-request@rootsweb.com, send a message to > ILMACOUP-D-request@rootsweb.com > that contains in the body of the message the command > unsubscribe > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. AOL requires a subject line.

Looking for the ancestors of William O. Cummings who married Louisa Stults. Any info on this family would be helpful. Even if it is to add references and notes. Would like to find his father and mother or county from KY that they came from. Thanks Roy Brown

Hiram Nash and Ellen Armstrong were married in Macoupin County in July 1874. Does anyone know anything about this couple? Would like to connect with descendants if possible. Thanks. ks.

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Forwarding with permission of Polly Piskos. Don't know if it might help someone and all I know is what she wrote. gf ------------- Resent-Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 00:33:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: jpiskos@hsnp.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 02:29:31 -0500 Old-To: StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com From: James Piskos <jpiskos@hsnp.com> Subject: [StLouis-MO-L] Naturalization papers To: StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/3957 X-Loop: StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com Resent-Sender: StLouis-MO-L-request@rootsweb.com My thanks to the kind person who sent me info re obtaining naturalization papers. I tried that address and was told for naturalization obtained in St. Louis in the time period I needed it (abt 1945) I should go to : National Archives and Records Admin. 2312 E. Bannister Kansas City, MNO 64131 (Contact Ms. Mary Burtzloff.......1-816-926-6920) Cost is $10 payable to National Archives Trust Fund.....Ask for Declaration of Intent, also; sometimes you will get names of parents, arrival date, arrival port, etc.) When I called Ms. Burtzloff, she returned my call in one day to report she had found it-----quick response! Polly Piskos ------------------ Gloria Frazier Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm

Made the following corrections to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_lbrary.htm#carlinville Street address is 510 N. Broad St. P.O. Box 17. Hours are M-Th 10 - 7; Fr-Sa 10 - 5, and Sunday 1 - 4. Two microfiche/film reader-printers. Thanks for finding the mistake. Gloria