I am looking for information on Johann Hienrich APPEL also known as John Henry APPEL his last name also known as APPLE. Talk about a man using aliases'. I have found him in the 1860 census living in Macoupin county. He was 51 at the time with a lovely wife and seven children. I have from my records that he was buried in either Brighton or Fosterburgn next to his two former wives. The first one was Lucretia McCANN and, acording to the census, the other was listed as Mary. I also have read tales in some of my old manuscripts that he had a third, Christian LEHR. Anyway, does anyone out there recognize these names? I do not know anything on them, any of them, past this. I would really like to know where they are all buried at, or, even better, what there birth dates and death dates are. Has anyone seen these headstones in a cemetery? Another strange thing. The census has them living in South Palmyra township, and their postal address is Brighton. Things that make you go hhhhmmmm! I would believe the Brighton area thing more than the Palmyra thing, mainly because many of his documents, in later life, mention Fosterburg, and, he was a rather large farmer and I can't see him up and moving accross an entire county. If anyone has an answer for these question, or even a clue for me, please let me know. Thank you! bbs@midkan.net from the Jayhawk state, Adam Appel

I was just wondering if there is a register for new residence of the county (circa 1880's) to register and vote. If there is a register, what information would there be on it ? and would it be available to get a copy or lookup? My great-grandfather, Edward Scanlon arrived in Virden about 1880 from Scranton, P.A., where he was naturalized on 10/1874. Edward worked as a coal miner and died in Virden 6/1917. Any information would be greatly appricated. Thanks, Gwen

Hello, Just learned Auguste SCHUPMAN, married Reverend GEORGE LIENHARDT, 1885, in your County. Which Luthern Church would have a record of his service? Thanks for any info or pointers. Corinne Gernaey taramark@netins.net

Anyone know the answer to that subject? Where is our resident attorney?? Gloria

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http://www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/marriage.html Remember, check the list of what is there. Some counties and/or some parts of a county's index may not be there. I think there is suppose to be a formal announcement for the marriages online....but I can't keep this...... Have fun. Gloria ------------------ Gloria Frazier ILGenWeb Western Regional Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/western.htm Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm Rock Island County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilrockis/index.html FRAZIER-L maillist

I have had good luck ordering from this URL: http://www.vitalcheck.com/ Prices are kind of high - but they have always given me a quick turnaround - usually within a week. This may have changed, but it worked for me severall months ago. Jack Cox Gloria Frazier wrote: > FYI > Passing on some passing on..... > gf > But I will add and please correct me if I got wrong info: [If you > have any IL death cert needs from 1916 to 1945, call the IL State > archives listed on the following url (217) 782-4682. > http://vitalrec.com/il.html > or email - think you can get two certs at NO charge. Note the years > above..... > secryan@ccgate.sos.state.il.us] > ****************** > From: Nancy Peter <bnpeter@uswest.net> > To: ILCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com <ILCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 8:06 PM > Subject: [ILCLINTO] Fw: Death Cetificates > > >I am forwarding this message from the Illinois State Archives. My > original > >request was dated 7-30-99. As you can see, they have many > requests so it > >may take 2 months or more. > > > >Nancy Peter > >-----Original Message----- > >From: dmorse@ccgate.sos.state.il.us <dmorse@ccgate.sos.state.il.us> > >To: bnpeter@uswest.net <bnpeter@uswest.net> > >Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 1:43 PM > >Subject: Death Cetificates > > > > > >> > >> Dear Nancy: > >> > >> Your request has been processed and should be in the mail to > you; if > >> you don't receive it within a week or so let me know by > E-mail and we > >> will re-copy it.... > >> > >> Requests are taking awhile now, as we have over 1000 letters > to deal > >> with and we are at quarter staff at the moment... so bear > with us on > >> future requests as they will take time... > >> > >> Sincerely > >> > >> Dave Morse > >> Information Services > >> Illinois State Archives > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from ILMACOUP-D-request@rootsweb.com, send a message to > ILMACOUP-D-request@rootsweb.com > that contains in the body of the message the command > unsubscribe > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. AOL requires a subject line.

Pass on to any Redfern you know. gf --------------------------- Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 23:25:54 -0700 From: "Carol E. Valantine Dugger" <cvdugger@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; U) To: glofra@townsqr.com Subject: Redfern I happen to subscribe to a list in England and noticed there was quite a bit of reference to the Redfern family of Derbyshire, England. I know there are a lot of Redferns in Macoupin Co and thought that perhaps one of them might be interested in this data just in case there is a connection. Therefore I am sending this along to you with the hope that you can divert it to one of the Redfern families or else post it to the Macoupin Co. List for me? Redfern isn't that common a name and I hated to see the information lost if someone is looking for family ! Sincerely, Carol Dugger Napa, CA Researching: DUGGER,JACKSON,BROWN,BRUCE,MANSFIELD,PATTERSON ***********: "Gill Castle" <gill@castle67.freeserve.co.uk> To: DERBYSGEN-L@rootsweb.com Hi, Don't know if these are of any use: 1841 census for Newhall: 719 4 Samuel REDFERN M 22 Wheelwright Yes 900 7 James REDFERN M 16 Butcher's app No 1370 42 Joseph REDFERN M 48 Farmer No 1371 42 Ann REDFERN F 47 No 1372 42 Ellen REDFERN F 13 No 1373 42 Joseph REDFERN M 10 No 1861 census for Newhall: 1541 William REDFEARN Head Mar M 37 Brickmaker + burner 1542 Ann REDFEARN Wife Mar F 31 1543 William Wilas REDFEARN Son M 11 1544 Mary Hannah REDFEARN Dau F 7 1545 Sarah REDFEARN Dau F 3 1546 Ann REDFEARN Dau F 9 mths 1547 James REDFEARN Nephew Unm M 21 Carter No. Forename Surname Relation Condition Sex Age Occupation 233 Thomas REDFERN Head Mar M 28 Coal Miner 234 Emma REDFERN F 24 Coal Miner 235 Sarah Ann REDFERN Dau F 5 Scholar 236 Agnes REDFERN Dau F 1 912 Mary REDFERN Servant Unm F 24 House servant 1684 James REDFERN Boarder Unm M 35 Colliery labourer 1939 William REDFERN Nephew M 17 Coal Higgler 1979 Ann REDFERN Boarder Unm F 21 Domestic Servant 2081 George REDFERN Head Mar M 60 Collier 2082 Hannah REDFERN Wife Mar F 59 2085 James REDFERN Son Unm M 22 Collier 2086 William REDFERN Son Unm M 20 Collier 2087 John REDFERN Son Unm M 17 Collier 2359 Joseph REDFERN Head Mar M 41 Bricklayer (journeyman) 2360 Margaret REDFERN Wife Mar F 43 2361 Benjamin REDFERN Son M 16 2362 Priscilla REDFERN Dau F 14 2363 John REDFERN Son M 9 Scholar 2364 George REDFERN Son M 7 Scholar 2365 Wright REDFERN Son M 3 2366 Arthur REDFERN Son M 4 mths 2386 Joseph REDFERN Head Mar M 66 Innkeeper 2387 Ann REDFERN Wife Mar F 63 # James REDFERN Son Unm M 35 Coal Higgler 1871 census for Newhall: 79 Sarah REDFERN Servant Unm F 15 Domestic Servant 193 Thomas REDFERN Head Mar M 37 Colliery labourer 194 Emma REDFERN Wife Mar F 33 195 Agnes REDFERN Dau F 11 Scholar 196 George REDFERN Son M 9 Scholar 197 Emma REDFERN Dau F 7 Scholar 198 Ruth REDFERN Dau F 5 Scholar 199 Elizabeth REDFERN Dau F 2 314 James REDFERN Head Mar M 32 Coal Miner 315 Eliza REDFERN Wife Mar F 23 316 Mary Ann REDFERN Dau F 5 Scholar 317 James REDFERN Son M 3 Scholar 318 Alice E REDFERN Dau F 5 mths Scholar 389 William W REDFERN Head Mar M 22 Coal Miner 390 Betsey REDFERN Wife Mar F 19 391 Bertha M REDFERN Dau F 2 408 William REDFERN Head Mar M 48 Coal Miner 409 Ann REDFERN Wife Mar F 42 410 Sarah REDFERN Dau F 13 411 Ann REDFERN Dau F 11 412 Matilda REDFERN Dau F 9 413 Emma REDFERN Dau F 3 414 John REDFERN Son M 11 mths 415 James REDFERN Nephew Unm M 31 Coal Miner 431 William REDFERN Head Mar M 30 Coal Miner 432 Sarah REDFERN Wife Mar F 26 433 Ann REDFERN Dau F 7 434 Arthur REDFERN Son M 3 435 Lizzie REDFERN Dau F 7 mths 1802 Eli REDFERN Head Mar M 35 1803 Harriett REDFERN Wife Mar F 28 1804 Francis REDFERN Son M 5 Scholar 1805 Mary REDFERN Dau F 4 Scholar 1806 Hannah REDFERN Dau F 1 2554 John REDFERN Head Mar M 27 Coalminer 2555 Clara Jane REDFERN Wife Mar F 21 2556 Sarah Ann REDFERN Dau F 2 wks If you are interested I have some of the parish records as well. Gill -----Original Message----- From: THOMAS BAXTER <tb4128@worldnet.att.net> To: DERBYSGEN-L@rootsweb.com <DERBYSGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 29 September 1999 01:42 Subject: [DBY] Looking For Redfern's >Searching for decendants of John Redfern a farmer born in the early 1800's >and lived near Burton On Treat and Mayfield during his life. > >John Redfern's Known Children >Samuel Redfern married 23 Aug. 1858 to Harriet Chadwick >Mary Redfern (Age 21) married Oct. 9, 1951 to John Cantrell >William Redfern married June 3, 1857 to Marn Ann Harrison > > >==== DERBYSGEN Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe please send a message to: >DERBYSGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com (mail mode) >

FYI Passing on some passing on..... gf But I will add and please correct me if I got wrong info: [If you have any IL death cert needs from 1916 to 1945, call the IL State archives listed on the following url (217) 782-4682. http://vitalrec.com/il.html or email - think you can get two certs at NO charge. Note the years above..... secryan@ccgate.sos.state.il.us] ****************** From: Nancy Peter <bnpeter@uswest.net> To: ILCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com <ILCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 8:06 PM Subject: [ILCLINTO] Fw: Death Cetificates >I am forwarding this message from the Illinois State Archives. My original >request was dated 7-30-99. As you can see, they have many requests so it >may take 2 months or more. > >Nancy Peter >-----Original Message----- >From: dmorse@ccgate.sos.state.il.us <dmorse@ccgate.sos.state.il.us> >To: bnpeter@uswest.net <bnpeter@uswest.net> >Date: Thursday, September 30, 1999 1:43 PM >Subject: Death Cetificates > > >> >> Dear Nancy: >> >> Your request has been processed and should be in the mail to you; if >> you don't receive it within a week or so let me know by E-mail and we >> will re-copy it.... >> >> Requests are taking awhile now, as we have over 1000 letters to deal >> with and we are at quarter staff at the moment... so bear with us on >> future requests as they will take time... >> >> Sincerely >> >> Dave Morse >> Information Services >> Illinois State Archives

Hey, Jack is back? but he's on Macoupin list not Greene! Where you been all summer Jack? Barbara

Dear Friends, Does anyone know the details about a tornado that touched down in the Scottville area in the 1920's? I just found some photographs in a Claussen family album of ruined buildings, and I'm told a tornado was responsible. Just curious. Juli Claussen

Where would someone have been committed to an insane asylum around 1860 from Gillespie, IL? State Hospital or ??? What kind of records might be available? Thanks Mary Ann

The search engine on the main Macoupin page is going again! YES!! I want to thank all the current and past submitters of data and photos to the Macoupin County ILGenWeb page. 11.5 megs of data and 5.5 megs of photos and not much frill. Photo Jeremiah CONVERSE and Lovina CORY CONVERSE. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_picco.htm Photo Scottville Masonic Lodge Members 1913 (lotsa familiar names in this photo) http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_picma.htm 1835 Steamboat routes at the Marshall County ILGenWeb site. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmarsha/old1835.jpg Selected Abstractions from The Federal Land Records http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/land-1.htm (Use your Edit pulldown and click on Find to type in a surname you are looking for) Addition of descendants of Civil War Veteran George Lair, James Miller Lair, Wm Riley Tosh (incorrect initial "A" in Wm A Tosh, should be R for Riley) http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/cw_desc.htm (You got one? Send name of veteran, your name and email address for contact) I have made note of James Lair's death date at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/burials/honork.txt should be 1904 not 1911 per descendant Linda Arnold More marriages are going up: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/marriage/groom.htm Got started on deaths - got one so far. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/death/death.htm Got any pre 1900 Macoupin deaths, send em on. Doin' the Twist is getting old. Any music requests? No heavy metal please. Veterans, (WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, other or just plain served), I have been so busy and it has been two yrs since we had the Vets page. Wow, how time flies. Got any new veterans? report in. Name, rate/rank, service branch, whadja do? where? I still have the '97 list. Gloria All volunteers need a pay increase from $0.00 to $00.00 But zero is a placeholder and not a number. Think I may be missing something....... ------------------ Gloria Frazier ILGenWeb Western Regional Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/western.htm Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm Rock Island County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilrockis/index.html FRAZIER-L maillist

This is an update to my web page. Surnames, marriages, for MOORE and MIKEL is online. All names. Those pages I have online are linked to the Surnames and Index.More to come. Any changes, questions, or mistakes are welcome. Nancy Moore http://www.misslink.net/moore

Dear Friends, I wanted to share with you that Gloria has recently posted a photo I submitted to the Macoupin Website. It is of the members of the Scottville Masonic Lodge in 1913, and nearly all of the men in the photo are identified. If you had relatives in that part of the county, be sure to check it out. Some of the members were residents of neighboring portions of Morgan and Greene Counties as well. This was so for my family members Andrew and George Kehl (Morgan) and Chris and Alex Claussen (Greene). Juli Claussen Carbondale, IL

FYI Don't ask me. Questions to sender listed in the email below. Thanks. gf ****************************** >Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 06:48:22 -0500 >From: Carolyn Geittmann <cgeittmann@clas.net> >Reply-To: cgeittmann@clas.net >Subject: [ILRANDOL] GSSI Book Fair >To: ILRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com >As simply a member of the Genealogy Society of So. Illinois and NOT a >vendor, may I remind all of you about the GSSI Fall Conference and FREE >Book Fair to be held Sat., Oct. 9th in the Gymnasium at John A. Logan >College in Carterville, IL. > >Registration and exhibit browsing being at 8 a.m. and the exhibits are >open all day. (The last session of the Conference ends at 4 p.m.). > >The Newsletter says there will be books available on Randolph Co. among >many others of varied interests. > >I have my brochure and Newsletter if anyone wants to write me privately >for more information and also have addresses for other members listed >who may be contacted for even more information. > >As the Newsletter said: "Bring a friend, Bring a wallet, Bring your >wish list, Bring a wheelbarrow!!! Come have fun." > >Carolyn > >

Hi, I was wondering if you had any collateral information on Thomas E. Wilson. My g-grandmother was Elizabeth Wilson (4/27/1832-2/18/1925) who married (12/24/1861) William A. Gardner (10/16/1830-12/3/1914). They lived in North Otter Township. Thanks. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: Don & Angela Holmes To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 5:05 AM Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Nevins Family Looking for information about the Nevins Family of Macoupin Co. My gggrandmother was Emma Jane Nevins born 1854 in Macoupin Co., her parents were William Nevins and Sarah Steele. Emma married Thomas E. Wilson. ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== To see who is researching your Macoupin County IL surname: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_surdex.htm

Looking for info on Louis and Louisa Zinser and yr. old daughter Mary who appeared in Gillespie for the 1860 census (census taker misspelled name as Zinzer). Louis was listed as a gristmiller. Does anyone know if any Macoupin County records exist for the 1860s, such as tax lists? Thanks. Jon

Since I saw the posts on this surname...have been working with a "cousin" on this one. Samuel Philpott passed away about 1839 in Macoupin. You know how it goes, it lists the husbands of the girls as inheriting the portion of the estate,...Anyway one of the girl's husbands is Robert Nevens/Nivens. they are from the Overton County area of TN. Robert is listed in the 1830 and 1840 macoupin census. Then my cousin can't find him anymore! If she could find Robert in the 1850 census, she'd finally know what the first name of Mrs. Nevins was! the other daughters were: Sina (Mrs Melvin Barnard), Mary Ann (Mrs. Austin White)Jane (Mrs. Peter Kerr) Elizabeth (Mrs. Isaac Kerr) and Mrs. Benjamin whitehead (don't know her first name, either, same story...) and two sons: Martin and Micajah Phillpot. most of the girls families went on to McLean County IL shortly before 1850. thanks! Nancy _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com