Thank you, for volunteering to scan the 3 books. Charity Baptist Church of Macoupin County, Illinois. Nancy Moore volunteered to scan. Everly Chapel Church Records, 1887-1928, Macoupin County, Illinois. Charlie Neff volunteered to scan. Union Chapel Methodist Church Records, 1868-1945 Julie Baxter volunteered to scan. Other volunteers were: Mike Scheller Sue McMurry I know Julie, Charlie, and Mike each volunteered to scan all 3 books. Thanks, much. And, thanks sooooo much, Mary Ann, for getting permission to put them online. Researchers are going to enjoy these sources. I will let you all know when the books are up. Xeroxes to the scanners should be in the mail tomorrow. Gloria ------------------ Gloria Frazier ILGenWeb Western Regional Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/western.htm Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm Rock Island County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilrockis/index.html FRAZIER-L maillist

Are we all having fun with the Illinois Marriage data base yet? It was interesting for what I found and what I haven't found! Here's a run-down on my ggg grandfather's family: Jesse Hopper m. Rachel Hudson 5 April 1827 in Russell County, Ky Enumerated 1830 Russell County, KY Enumerated 1840 Greene County, IL Jesse Hopper m. Elizabeth Thompson 15 May 1848 in Macoupin County; I don't know why but for some reason a license was issued for them earlier in either Morgan or Greene County. Jesse and Elizabeth enumerated 1850 in Macoupin County, IL with Wesley b. ca 1834 IL Marian I. (f) b. ca 1838 IL Rachel b. ca 1842 IL Frances c. (m) b. ca 1843 IL In 1853 he buys land in Motgomery Co--near Zanesville;( It seems a lot of my Macoupin people crossed over into western Montgomery) Jesse and Elizabeth enumerated 1860 in Montgomery County, IL with: Mary A. b. ca 1851 IL John W.A. b. ca 1854 IL Lucinda E. b. ca 1856 MO Peter M. b. ca 1857 MO I never could find the children (apparently from the first marriage) in any census. I don't find marriages for any of them in the marriage index, either. I'm wondering if they didn't stay in Missouri. Jesse Hopper d. ca 1862 in Montgomery Co IL. I could never find that his land changed hands. According to the IL marriage index, Mrs. Elizabeth Hopper m. John G. McCullock on 3 June 1863 in Montgomery County. I did not find any marrriages for the younger set of Hopper siblings, either. Can anyone fill in any blanks? Thanks, Nancy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

To the List, I currently have the Staunton Star-Times on microfilm thru ILL from the IL Historical Library for the following years: 2 Dec 1943 - 26 Sep 1946 & 3 Oct 1946 - 28 Apr 1949 If anyone would like me to keep an eye open for an obit &/or other news item(s), let me know by Monday (or soon after). If you could furnish approximate date, that would be great! Joan AZ

At 06:11 AM 10/16/99 -0500, you wrote: > Good morning, Gloria, Your Web Page is beautiful! A bit of >luck for me as I am searching both Rock Island and Maucoupin >Counties. Do you know why I can not get a copy of the original >They give only the Clerk's notes from the original. I would think >the Freedom of Information Act is being Do you have a legal >opinion? Thank you, Corinne Gernaey taramark@netins.net I will give you my thoughts on naturalization records. First, I don't think courthouses were required to keep originals BUT if they didn't give the original papers to the person they were supposed to send back to the Federal agency because naturalization is a Federal law/requirement. Another thing is where the person was naturalized (will get to that further on down.) Courthouses can't keep everything. There is no room. At the same time, they are "greedy" with the records and want to keep them in the county and in today's world they could be turned over in IL to IRAD. Macoupin is one. The dome of the beautiful old courthouse is full of deteriorating records with no environmental control. And I have seen naturalization ledgers around 1910 listing spouse and children in the dome of Macoupin's courthouse. Most courthouses aren't as big as Macoupin's, it being a million dollar courthouse in the 1860's. So the smaller courthouses have burned, buried, given to libraries in the county old records or if they still have them they are in an unsafe place for the county to let you enter. About a year or so ago, one researcher in one IL courthouse found original naturalization papers still in leather "wraps" laying on the floor in a musty and mildewed room. Remember the ones I said which were suppose to be returned to the Federal agency..... One aging lady in one IL county who has helped many many researchers had at the last I heard a whole house full of old court records she is worrying about what will happen to them when she dies. I don't know about Rock Island but in Macoupin they do have ledger entries, as you mentioned, AVAILABLE of the naturalization and you can get copies. Where were was the declaration of intent? Where was the sponsorship? Where was the naturalization and where was the nearest Federal courthouse? In the 1800's early to mid, a person COULD file the intent in one county, show proof of "apprenticeship/sponsorship" in another county and be naturalized in another county. During this time period the actual naturalization HAD to be done at a Federal courthouse. A Federal courthouse might be quite a few miles away. As they built more Federal courthouses, it was done closer to "home." Then around the early 1900's, a Federal atty would go to the county and initiate the oath of allegiance at the courthouse. Macoupin residents went to St Louis to a Federal courthouse then one was built at Edwardsville then they went to the county courthouse from the direction in the above paragraph. Below is a msg I received on the St Louis Co maillist and which I had passed on with permission. This address and/or phone number might help you get closer to copies of papers. But before the message, let me defend the courthouses "just a little bit." The small courthouses only have enough money for today's work not old stuff like what we want. The court cases today require maybe 2 or 3 cubic feet of storage space for the case files of papers and they are required to keep case files for at least 20 years (I think.). In Macoupin, I have seen stacks of current case files required to be kept. Old stuff means little to a small budget and cost of rent/protection for old stuff. Well, that probably isn't much help, but you got my thoughts and if anyone finds something different, please correct me. Now, here is the message I thought might help someone or at least lead you in a direction. At 02:29 AM 5/26/99 -0500, you wrote: My thanks to the kind person who sent me info re obtaining naturalization papers. I tried that address and was told for naturalization obtained in St. Louis in the time period I needed it (abt 1945) I should go to : National Archives and Records Admin. 2312 E. Bannister Kansas City, MNO 64131 (Contact Ms. Mary Burtzloff.......1-816-926-6920) Cost is $10 payable to National Archives Trust Fund.....Ask for Declaration of Intent, also; sometimes you will get names of parents, arrival date, arrival port, etc.) When I called Ms. Burtzloff, she returned my call in one day to report she had found it-----quick response! Polly Piskos Gloria ------------------ Gloria Frazier ILGenWeb Western Regional Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/western.htm Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm Rock Island County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilrockis/index.html FRAZIER-L maillist

Don't reply to me if you can scan. See bottom. Please, only serious volunteers who really want to help researchers "apply." Mary Ann Kaylor has received permission to put the following 3 Macoupin books online. Charity Baptist Church of Macoupin County, Illinois. By Wanda Warkins Allers and Eileen Lynch Gochanour, 1985. Includes index. 39 pages. Everly Chapel Church Records, 1887-1928, Macoupin County, Illinois. Privately printed by Wanda Warkins Allers, Margaret Sager Hohimer, and Eileen Lynch Gochanour, 1985. Includes membership records, baptisms, lists of probationers and index. 47 pages. Union Chapel Methodist Church Records, 1868-1945. Privately printed by Wanda Warkins Allers, Margaret Sager Hohimer, and Eileen Lynch Gochanour, 1983. Includes index. 22 pages. Union Chapel Methodist Church is located west of the town of Girard, Macoupin County, Illinois. (I don't believe there is any list of members in this book.) She will xerox copy and snail mail to 3 scanners, one for each book. I think we can just put these up in jpegs and not type them. Of course, the scanner persons will only get credit as scanners cuz the credit will go to Mary Ann Kaylor for permission from the writer. Need reasonably good scanned copies under100kb each page. Line art should come in less than 50kb. Think these pages are smaller than 8 1/2 x 11 size. If you can scan either the 39, 47 or the 22 page book, send request along with your snail mail address to: Mary Ann Kaylor <makaylor@npwt.net> Scanned jpegs/gifs are the only format which can be uploaded to a web page. And tween the two jpeg or gif, byte size is the consideration. Scanned copies will be sent to me to upload to the Macoupin page. If no response with help, I will get them up in time for Easter/4th of July.<g> Thanks for any help. Gloria ------------------ Gloria Frazier ILGenWeb Western Regional Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/western.htm Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm Rock Island County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilrockis/index.html FRAZIER-L maillist

Forwarding.... gf ******** From: "Xenophanes Q. Zahl" <8_children@email.msn.com> To: <cindyldq@midwest.net> Subject: "They were in Macoupin..." Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999, 8:46 PM Dear Cindy, I am interested in two things 1. I have not been able to find what happened to my gggrfather, Christian Ebert after 1864 and was wondering what info you might have on people who lived in Carlinville. Christian and Caroline (Hailer) (remarried to a Alexander Glessner) had four children, one was George Ebert. George married Anna Heinemann, whose family I am not able to get much info about either. 2. Could you send me info about the Macoupin County Gen. Society. Thank you for your response, Louis Ebert P.O. Box 3442 Urbana, IL 61803-3442

Sorry, forgot to give you the web page address. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancy99/ Nancy

We are now up on Rootsweb and their web pages. More to add as time permits. I do have Surnames and Marriages new. Nancy

Information passed on by Cheryl Rothwell: ******* >From Dick Eastman's online genealogy newsletter: "War Of The Rebellion" is now Online History buffs and genealogists alike are familiar with the "War Of The Rebellion Journal." This is a compilation of the official records of the Union and Confederate armies published in 1880 through 1901 under the direction of the Secretary of War. The entire publication was published as a set of 71 volumes containing tens of thousands of pages of information. This is probably the most detailed information about the American Civil War ever published. Now the entire series is available online. The Cornell University Library Making of America (MOA) Collection is a digital library of primary sources in American social history from the antebellum period through reconstruction. The online collection is extensive and one of the latest additions is the "War Of The Rebellion". I spent some time looking at this online collection. Each page has been scanned as a graphic image. You can read the pages online or print them on your own printer. The pages that I printed on an ancient LaserJet printer looked much clearer than the typical photocopies made at a library. The Web site contains only graphic images. The books have not been converted to text. The only index available is the original index published with the collection in 1901. This index is available online, but it, too, is available as a collection of graphic images. The "War Of The Rebellion" is the major reference for the most troubled time in American history. The online version will be a major resource for historians and genealogists alike. You can view the online version of the "War Of The Rebellion" at: http://moa.cit.cornell.edu/MOA/MOA-JOURNALS2/WARO.html "The Official Records of the Unites States and Confederate Navies" is another great resource. This 30-volume reference is available at: http://moa.cit.cornell.edu/MOA/MOA-JOURNALS2/OFRE.html ------------------ Gloria Frazier ILGenWeb Western Regional Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/western.htm Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm Rock Island County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilrockis/index.html FRAZIER-L maillist

-----Original Message----- From: Adam R. Appel <bbs@midkan.net> To: Gloria Frazier <glofra@townsqr.com> Date: Thursday, October 14, 1999 7:31 PM Subject: don't worry! Gloria, You have a "BIG BEAR HUG" from me! bbs@midkan.net your Jayhawk freind, Adam -----Original Message----- From: Gloria Frazier <glofra@townsqr.com> To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com <ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, October 14, 1999 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [ILMACOUP-L] Use of Illinois Marriage Index I ain't going to get any hugs on your lines as I know of but think I can help on this one. If you have the name and date (enough) then got the # of the cert, vol and page number form the IL marriages online, you can just order them @$7 each from: County Clerk Macoupin County Courthouse PO Box 107 Carlinville IL 62626 If the cert before 1877, chance you may get only the jp or minister's name along with the bride and groom unless one or both were under age then you will probably at least get a parent's name. Later certs give names of parents, where born, number of marriages, etc, lots more info. Good luck Gloria At 12:03 PM 10/14/99 EDT, you wrote: >I'm wondering if someone could help me understand procedure for the Illinois >marriage index recently available on-line. I have found a couple of names >therein which "might" be ones in my family, however without the date of >marriage, I can't be certain. Is my next step to snail-mail the Clerk of >the county involved and request further information? How am I to know the >cost involved without further delay and further correspondence? (okay, so >I'm in a hurry a century after the fact, and okay, so I'm spoiled with late >20th century e-mail) I would however, appreciate some advice as to how to >properly proceed. TIA, Lorraine > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >To post a message so everyone on ILMACOUP-L or ILMACOUP-D receives it, send the message to: > ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com >It will then be sent on to everyone in both ILMACOUP-L or ILMACOUP-D. You don't need to send it explicitly to both. > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== To see who is researching your Macoupin County IL surname: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_surdex.htm

I ain't going to get any hugs on your lines as I know of but think I can help on this one. If you have the name and date (enough) then got the # of the cert, vol and page number form the IL marriages online, you can just order them @$7 each from: County Clerk Macoupin County Courthouse PO Box 107 Carlinville IL 62626 If the cert before 1877, chance you may get only the jp or minister's name along with the bride and groom unless one or both were under age then you will probably at least get a parent's name. Later certs give names of parents, where born, number of marriages, etc, lots more info. Good luck Gloria At 12:03 PM 10/14/99 EDT, you wrote: >I'm wondering if someone could help me understand procedure for the Illinois >marriage index recently available on-line. I have found a couple of names >therein which "might" be ones in my family, however without the date of >marriage, I can't be certain. Is my next step to snail-mail the Clerk of >the county involved and request further information? How am I to know the >cost involved without further delay and further correspondence? (okay, so >I'm in a hurry a century after the fact, and okay, so I'm spoiled with late >20th century e-mail) I would however, appreciate some advice as to how to >properly proceed. TIA, Lorraine > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >To post a message so everyone on ILMACOUP-L or ILMACOUP-D receives it, send the message to: > ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com >It will then be sent on to everyone in both ILMACOUP-L or ILMACOUP-D. You don't need to send it explicitly to both. > >

In a message dated 10/14/99 10:17:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, judy@abcs.com writes: << Lots of researchers on this line - what is your line - maybe someone wants to give you a hug and welcome you to the family. One hug from me, Judy >> I read somewhere that it takes two hugs a day just to survive - well that means I'm not even surviving - sometimes I get months behind! My Macoupin connections include Samuel GIBERSON and his wife Margaret HUFFMAN who moved to IL from Hocking Co OH about 1865. Their children were: Isaac who married Mary Jane GREEN; William killed in Civil War; Rebecca who m. ....WILSON; Joseph who m Marilda FULLER; Margaret (my ancesstress) who m Joseph SMITH (a Jersey Co IL "boy", son of Hubert SMITH and Catherine BARMAN); and Jacob who died unmarried at age 23 in 1873 of cholera, sadly the same week both his parents died of the same cause. They are buried at Shaw's Point. Sooooooooooooooooooo, any family hugs available? Thank you for your interest. Lorraine

Gloria's comment for the below info on free RootsWeb pages for users: This is a good deal with unlimited space and free. The only difference tween this one and buying a homepage from RootsWeb is that on this free page, commercial banners will automatically run on them. On a homepage you buy from RootsWeb, you don't have to run a commercial banner. Read the "fine print" at the site listed below but really no restictions except the "logical" like no offensive stuff, etc. *********************** Subject: RootsWeb Review, Vol. 2, No. 41 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:01:27 -0400 FREE PAGES PROGRESS REPORT. So far the beta test of unlimited free Web site space on RootsWeb is going extremely well. As of Tuesday evening, October 12, 1999, we had received and fulfilled 1,143 requests. Consider moving your Web sites to RootsWeb and tell your friends. We particularly welcome genealogy and historical societies. To see the complete Free Pages announcement, please click on <http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/press/freepages.html> FREEPAGES Directory (users' pages at FREEPAGES): <http://communities.rootsweb.com/free.html> ************** Gloria

I'm wondering if someone could help me understand procedure for the Illinois marriage index recently available on-line. I have found a couple of names therein which "might" be ones in my family, however without the date of marriage, I can't be certain. Is my next step to snail-mail the Clerk of the county involved and request further information? How am I to know the cost involved without further delay and further correspondence? (okay, so I'm in a hurry a century after the fact, and okay, so I'm spoiled with late 20th century e-mail) I would however, appreciate some advice as to how to properly proceed. TIA, Lorraine

Oops!! The last one I listed was wrong spelling, sorry. I revamped it and this one is correct. Try, http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/marriage Adam -----Original Message----- From: Ron Grassi <rgrassi@avalon.net> To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com <ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 10:04 PM Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Need Illinois marriages web site Could someone please give the URL for the Illinois marriages again? I lost a lot of my bookmarks somehow or another. Thanks. ciao ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== Difference between ILMACOUP-L and ILMACOUP-D: ILMACOUP-L mailing list allows you to receive every posting made to ILMACOUP as a separate email. ILMACOUP-D mailing list allows you to receive several postings as a single large message.

Try, http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cqi-bin/marriage Adam -----Original Message----- From: Ron Grassi <rgrassi@avalon.net> To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com <ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 10:04 PM Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Need Illinois marriages web site Could someone please give the URL for the Illinois marriages again? I lost a lot of my bookmarks somehow or another. Thanks. ciao ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== Difference between ILMACOUP-L and ILMACOUP-D: ILMACOUP-L mailing list allows you to receive every posting made to ILMACOUP as a separate email. ILMACOUP-D mailing list allows you to receive several postings as a single large message.

Could someone please give the URL for the Illinois marriages again? I lost a lot of my bookmarks somehow or another. Thanks. ciao

Got this back from my latest query. Couldn't tell if Gary replied to me or the list, so I'm forwarding it to the list. If this duplicates, please forgive. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Clifton To: Charles Neff Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [ILMACOUP-L] Henderson/Bronaugh That gentleman was me. I would be happy to hear from Wanda. Gary Clifton California The librarian, Wanda Lake, at West Public Library, 142 W Jackson St., Virden, IL 62690, Tel. No. 217-965-3015, advises that a gentleman from California was interested in the Bronaugh, Poindexter, etc. families sometime ago. Are you aware of who this might be? She didn't keep the name and address, but did send them quite a bit of information. She is checking with the City Hall and will determine if a Bronaugh was ever mayor of Virden. Henderson was head of one of the banks as well as a large land holder

Hi, One of my great grandfather Thomas Neff's daughters, Margaret Alice Neff ( b. May 10, 1860 - d. ??) was married to a Mr. James A. Henderson in Macoupin County, IL on Feb 13, 1884. Can anyone out there fill in any of this information for me? Thanks! Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank & Carolynn Bettis To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 15, 1999 1:36 PM Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Henderson/Bronaugh The 1891 Macoupin County History contains wonderful biographical sketches of both John Henderson and John Bronaugh, along with their photos. The book sells for $32, plus postage it is $36. The 1875-1893 Macoupin Co. Plat Book also depicts large land holdings of the Henderson family and sells for $18 mailing totals $21. These books can be purchased from the Macoupin County Historical Society, Box 432, Carlinville, IL 62626. Maxie Henderson left farm property for the establishment of the first library in Virden, IL. The 1891 history also contains background on Henderson and Bronaugh's wives. Louisa Bronaugh was the daughter of a Thomas Poindexter. There are streets in Virden named Bronaugh and Henderson. The librarian, Wanda Lake, at West Public Library, 142 W Jackson St., Virden, IL 62690, Tel. No. 217-965-3015, advises that a gentleman from California was interested in the Bronaugh, Poindexter, etc. families sometime ago. Are you aware of who this might be? She didn't keep the name and address, but did send them quite a bit of information. She is checking with the City Hall and will determine if a Bronaugh was ever mayor of Virden. Henderson was head of one of the banks as well as a large land holder. The email address of the Virden Library is: vie_ill@vax.lcls.lib.il.us Happy Hunting! ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== To look at 1850 Macoupin County, IL census - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/1850census/index.htm

Loretta, Thanks for the info.. I have found them there already. He came from Germany to Lebanon They lived there for a while, (?), 15 or so years before moving to the Brighton/Fosterburg area. I do know that they had several children while living there. Thanks. Any information is greatly appreciated! Adam -----Original Message----- From: BEEZES@aol.com <BEEZES@aol.com> To: bbs@midkan.net <bbs@midkan.net> Date: Monday, October 11, 1999 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [ILMACOUP-L] APPEL / APPLE Adam: There is a marriage in St. Clair Co., IL between John Henry APPLE and Lucinda McCANN on March 7, 1838. There are also APPLEs and APPELs in the census indexes for that county. You may want to try there also. Loretta B. IBSSG