>From Dick Eastman's current online genealogy newsletter: - LDS FamilySearch.org To Add 240 Million New Names There hasn't been any official announcement, but two Salt Lake City newspapers report that the Mormon's popular online Web site will add a lot more records to their online database on Monday. The addition of 240 million new names will mean that a total of 640 million records will now be available at http://www.familysearch.org. In addition, FamilySearch plans early next year to index the new Pedigree Resource File (PRF), a database of family history records being uploaded to the site by users. Only the index is expected to be online. The files containing PRF data will be available on a set of CD-ROM disks. The PRF, already listing more than 5 million names, is projected to grow at the rate of 1.2 million names per month. Full details are available at: http://www.sltrib.com/1999/nov/11161999/utah/47672.htm and at http://www.desnews.com/cgi-bin/libstory_reg?dn99&9911150026 Cheryl Rothwell

If that is ?Carlinville? the town, not his last name?? If Carlinville, the town, here is a church address for a Lutheran Church Office in Carlinville Zion Lutheran Church 425 South Broad Carlinville, IL 62626 Phone: 217-854-8514 If they can't help, they might be able to lead you..... I know there are variations of the Lutheran church but don't see others in Carlinville from a Carlinville 1996 phone dir which I have. We don't have access to many church records. I believe there are some at the Carlinville Public Library but can't remember what they are. I am 300 miles away from Carlinville so not sure. Might want to try the one at Bunker Hill in Macoupin County: Zion Lutheran Church 609 E Warren Bunker Hill, IL 62014 618-585-3606 a couple in Gillespie Macoupin County Redeemer Lutheran Church 206 W Spruce Gillespie IL 62033 217-839-2717 Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church 107 Elm Gillespie IL 62033 217-839-2500 Good Luck At 12:24 PM 11/22/99 -0800, you wrote: >I'll try again with more precise information. > > CARLINGVILLE, Reverend George Lienhardt > > was Pastor at Luther Church. > > He married Aguste Schupman on 7/21/1885, > in Macoupin County. > >Would some kind person check the Church records >for his dates of service? > >Many thanks, > >Corinne >taramark@netins.net > > > > > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >Check out Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763–1900: > http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/marriage > >

I'll try again with more precise information. CARLINGVILLE, Reverend George Lienhardt was Pastor at Luther Church. He married Aguste Schupman on 7/21/1885, in Macoupin County. Would some kind person check the Church records for his dates of service? Many thanks, Corinne taramark@netins.net

Is anyone following a Sawyer or Funderburke line that goes back into Indian Heritage. I have a Hester LaVina Sawyer b. 1857 in Staunton. Her father Charles Sawyer - I believe Charles was from SC. Her mother Hester Funderburke's line was in IL since about 1800 or so. Is anyone else following these lines? Please e-mail me - Thank you Does a -- Debi Fort Myers, FL df620@gate.net - - - - - - - - What do you call a boomerang that doesn't work? A Stick!

It is my understanding that at some point in the 1870s, IL courthouses began asking for more information on marriage records/applications. I have one from 1884, Macoupin Co., that asks ages, birthplaces, parents' names including mother's maiden name, etc. However, I cannot remember if there is a separate marriage application book or series of books. Perhaps other list members know the answer to this, or a call to the courthouse could provide an answer. Linda Kmiecik tonky@ctnet.net

Gloria, If you look at the following URL, you will find more about the Indians in Illinois than you ever wanted to know about them. <G>. There are some Indian burial grounds near the present day Gillespie Lake, but you can't access them. Many years ago my uncles found some arrowhead and axe heads near the grounds and I have an old axe head in my possesion. http://www.dickshovel.com/ill.html Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Gloria Frazier <glofra@townsqr.com> To: <ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 1:00 AM Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] What Indian tribes > What Indian tribes were in Macoupin County before 1875???? > > Thanks. > > gloria > > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Please send questions, comments and ideas for the Macoupin County, ILGenWeb Home Page and Mail List to: > Gloria Frazier, Macoupin County, IL GenWeb Coordinator - glofra@townsqr.com > Kathleen Mirabella, Macoupin County, ILGenWeb Mail List Manager - KathieMir@aol.com >

Ellen, Try Robert Landreth. I have some pictures he has taken of cemetery stones and they are excellent. His sister, I believe, is on this list and may be able to tell us if he now has e-mail. Robert C. Landreth P.O. Box 478 Bunker Hill, IL 62014 Phone: 618-585-3003 or 3022 Robert Landreth does research in Macoupin County, IL. He will take pictures of tombstones and buildings. Send LSASE for details and cost. Happy Hunting, Kathie Mirabella In a message dated 11/20/99 11:42:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, glofra@townsqr.com writes: > Subj: [ILMACOUP-L] Can you take a pic in Macoupin County? > Date: 11/20/99 11:42:02 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: glofra@townsqr.com (Gloria Frazier) > To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com > > Ellen Bisson <thebissons@worldnet.att.net> > > would pay the expense for someone to take a picture of the > gravestone(s) of her gggrandfather/mother at Bethel Ridge Cemetery > in Shaw's Point Township Macoupin County. > > Cemetery is located just south of Atwater in Section 23 of Shaw's > Point Township. > > Please contact Ellen if you can do this for her at her expense. > > Thanks. > > Gloria > >

Fellow Macoupin Co researchers, Here is an ignorant question that must surely be answered somewhere...but I can't find it: Along with the record of marriage found in the county marriage record books, which consists of one line per marriage, is there also a marriage license or application for license which could be found somewhere? If so, does this contain more information? My gg grandparents, Robert Watt and Mary Hines were married in Macoupin Co in 1862. The IL marriage index gives a reference of vol 5, pg 3 of the marriage record book which I have seen. But it also gives a license number of 4063. Should that give me hope that poor Mary's parents might be written somewhere, or is that just a further reference to the marriage record book? Thanks. Mark Strohbeck strohbmw@wt.net

Hi, Is there anyone who have information on Melvin or Calvin Vaniman. Melvin was born in Virden in 1866. See below for more information. Happy Hunting, Kathleen Mirabella In a message dated 11/21/99 2:20:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, lois@bopis.co.nz writes: > Subj: Re: Melvin Vaniman - Macoupin County, IL > Date: 11/21/99 2:20:30 AM Eastern Standard Time > From: lois@bopis.co.nz (Lois Staessens) > Reply-to: lois@bopis.co.nz > To: KathieMir@aol.com > > KathieMir@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 11/20/99 4:14:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > lois@bopis.co.nz writes: > > > > > Subj: Melvin Vaniman > > > Date: 11/20/99 4:14:06 AM Eastern Standard Time > > > From: lois@bopis.co.nz (Lois Staessens) > > > Reply-to: lois@bopis.co.nz > > > To: KathieMir@aol.com > > > > > > Dear Kathleen. I am researching the life of Melvin Vaniman, who was > born > > > in Virden in 1866. He was an engineer, airship designer and > > > photographer. > > > I would be grateful for any information relating to him or contacts > > > that could help. He died in 1912 in an airship crash off Atlantic City, > > > in preparation for an attempt to cross the Atlantic. > > > Many thanks, Lois Staessens. > > > > > > > Lois, > > > > Your Melvin Vaniman would have been 4 years old on the 1870 census. I > > checked Virden County, IL census and find 3 Vaniman families. Two > families > > have a 4 year old male child born in IL. Now we have a problem with the > name: > > > > Vanniman (sic), Ira age 4 born IL > > Vanniman (sic), Chester age 4 born IL > > > > Your Melvin Vaniman may have moved from Virden County after his birth? I > > don't think I am going to be much help. > > > > Have you found his obituary? Do you know exact date of death? I live in > NJ > > and may find something in an old newspaper. Where was his home town? > > > > How are you related to Melvin Vaniman > > > > Happy Hunting, > > Kathie Mirabella > > Dear Kathie. Thank you for your reply. The Vaniman family I am looking > for may well have left the area.He died over Atlantic City on July 13th > 1912, in an airship crash,in an attempt to cross the Atlantic.His > brother Calvin was also killed in the crash. I think Melvin graduated > from Valparaiso University - not sure where that is! your country is so > big! > I am not related to Vaniman, but have an interest in his story. He came > to New Zealand in 1903, and took panoramic photographs of our cities and > landscapes. These are now a wonderful historical record of that time.An > exhibition of his Sydney, Australia photos will open in Sydney on > December 1st. He seemed to have such a full and interesting life, but > know little about his early years. > Any help would be most apreciated. Many thanks, > Lois Staessens. >

What Indian tribes were in Macoupin County before 1875???? Thanks. gloria

At 02:10 PM 11/20/99 -0700, you wrote: >Dear glofra; > In working on details of the Rumbolz family tree, I >find a Great Uncle James G. Rumbolz who was married and >lived in Bunker Hill, Illinois. He was born January 23, >1845 and died about 1915. His wife had the maiden name of >Quigley. They had two children Annie and Robert born in the >late 1800's and 1900. It was suggested that Robert Rumbolz >had his surname changed to Rumbold during the first world >war. Is it possible to find an court, census, marriage or >document that would confirm this. Also whether Robert had >any children that might still be living. An early letter >suggested that he moved to the St.Louis area after WW I. >Any possible information would be greatly appreciated. Bill >Rumbolz Copying the Macoupin County maillist. Subscribers might have clues which I don't. Can't answer your question for sure so just throwing suggestions out. IL State Archives has WWI Draft Registration Cards: http://www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/serv_sta.html#WWI Might call em to see what to do (they are nice) - phone number here: http://www.sos.state.il.us/depts/archives/serv_sta.html#guidelines You probably need to get to a census close to the age he could have changed his name to get an approximate time frame for checking at a courthouse. A large library near you or a near LDS Family History Center could order the census for you for about $3.75 to view at the center. Search the LDS library catalog for the census film number here: http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchcatalog.asp While your are there might search for your surname here: http://www.familysearch.org/ I mean like a census where he would still be living with his parents - before the next possible census he would have had his name changed. Do you think he might have been in Macoupin when and if he changed his name? If so, then when you get the timeframe for a possibility of changing his name, you could write to the courthouse. Not sure which office - send to one office and ask - if they aren't the office ask to forward down the hall to the other: Circuit Clerk Macoupin County Courthouse Carlinville, IL 62626 Or County Clerk, same address. The courthouse workers aren't going to check even for a charge (maybe $5) if you don't have around a 2 or so year timeframe. For current people with the surname rumbold and rumbolz, check here. I didn't see any rumbold for MO today, tho. Lots in IL tho. http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/Phone Gloria

Ellen Bisson <thebissons@worldnet.att.net> would pay the expense for someone to take a picture of the gravestone(s) of her gggrandfather/mother at Bethel Ridge Cemetery in Shaw's Point Township Macoupin County. Cemetery is located just south of Atwater in Section 23 of Shaw's Point Township. Please contact Ellen if you can do this for her at her expense. Thanks. Gloria

Looking for ancestors/descendants of John Hardin Scott and Mary Mountwillow Coonrod. John settled in Pleasant View Twp., Cherokee Co., KS. in 1866, after serving in Co. C, 3rd Illinois Cavalry of Union Army in the Civil War. He was probably from Illinois (I don't know city/county) and in 1868 returned there to marry Mary Mountwillow Coonrod (probably of Greene Co. IL, or neighboring Macoupin Co. to east). Mary was about 17 and daughter of Squire Coonrod. John and Mary Scott lived in Pleasant View Twp. Cherokee Co., KS, moved later Columbus the county seat, and raised a number of children, including my grandmother Etta M. Scott. Any info will be greatly appreciated. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Warstler jwarstler@home.com

Can anyone claim the George E. Ferris in L Co. 3rd Cav Reg IL then transferred to Co A? Or the George E. Ferris age 16 that is in the 1860 census. Please contact me. -- Debi Fort Myers, FL df620@gate.net - - - - - - - - What part of "Thou shall not" don't you understand?

FYI gf ********* From: pingle@viagrafix.net (Pamela Ingle) To: "Gloria Frazier" <glofra@townsqr.com> Subject: Re: Springer Surname - Was Re: Cemetary LOOKUP? Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:53:08 -0600 Hi Gloria, Thanks so much.......I really appreciate your help! Let me explain a bit more......maybe it might help? Sorry to go on and on, but as you can see, this Springer line is driving me bananas. Ezekiel Springer was born in Union SC (old district 96) abt 1754. His great grandfather was Charles(Carl) Springer b. 1658 in Sweden and settled along the Delaware River at New Castle....he is buried at the Old Swedes Church, in DE, reputed to be the first church built in America, which he helped to build and had served as the first warden. The family was associated with the Early Quakers of PA, that migrated to NC, and later to SC in the mid 1700s. He was with a group of Baptists that followed Phillip Mulkey after to Barren Co. KY. There they built the old Mill Creek Church (known now as the Old Mulkey), which stands today as the first church built in KY. Ezekiel and his wife Rebecca Collins had a son named John Springer, who married Elizabeth "Betsey" Bellew in Union SC abt. 1803. Betsey was the dau. of Zachariah Belew, and the grand daughter of Renny Belue Sr., who both served in the Rev. War under Col. Brandon. Shortly after they were married, the family followed Ezekiel to KY. John died in Barren Co. KY ca. 1815, and his widow, Betsey, remarried by 1816 to a widower named Joseph Gist. She and her children remained in KY/TN area. Ezekiel Springer (Sr.) appears on the 1830 census, but is not there in 1840 or 1850. His son, Ezekiel Springer (Jr. ) and his second wife Oney Parrot Bow (he was first mar. to Nancy Harland), do appear on both the 1840 and 1850 census. This makes me "suspect" that Rebecca and Ezekiel Springer are dec. by 1840. The last land purchase made by Ezekiel was in 8/1/1831, which further narrows the time of death to bet 1831 and 1840. By this time he would have been in his seventies. I'm not sure where or when he was bur., but I'll bet, it was in a church cem. and he was busy building a church bef. he died. Probably Baptist! The two parcels of land purchased in North Otter Township 12N 7W section 34 was purchased by "Springer, Ezekiel SR", but all of the other purchases did not include the SR. This would lead me to "suspect" that all of the other purchases were made by the son, rather than the father, and the were all in North Palmyra Township 12N 08W, section 3. So, I would narrow down the location of the bur. site to North Otter. Another Springer line can be found on the 1840 and 1850 census, that may connect much further back. This line tracked through VA, and do not appear to be closely connected. Also found are numerous Harlans. Many of Ezekiels dau. married into the Harlan(d) family from KY, as did his son Ezekiel. I had read the article about the "Coin Searchers" on the Macoupin IL USgenweb site, and how they stumbled upon an old cem. site with (Vandil?) headstones dating back to the 1830s. I'm hoping that someone will happen upon the bur. site of my 6 great grandparents. This appeared to be in the same area that they lived. To give you the scope of just how elusive this line has been, I'll tell you about another Springer. Stay with me now, this fellow got around, but it does tie in to IL! In 1851, Josephus Springer (the grandson of Ezekiel's son John that preceeded him in death), married Sarah Ann Smith in Macon Co. TN. Their first dau. Nancy was born abt. 1852, and shortly after, they headed off for cheap land in TX, where they had one son (and pos. other kids that died young). By 1855, they were in Fulton Co. AR and appear there on the census in 1860. In 1870 Sarah appears, but no Josephus, one child, Elizabeth, b. 1859, is no longer with her (presumed dec.) but she has another child named Matilda, born in ..........yep, you guessed it.......Illinois!! Joseph died ca. 1864, whereabouts unk. The only clue that we have is that his brother, Turner G. Springer, was found in the 110th IL. Also, some of Sarah's family moved IL from TN. I know only that Joe was said to be a "Union Man", and have been unable to find a record of service in TN, AR and KY and nothing yet for IL. At least now, I know that Ezekiel was in IL and the time of his death was bet 1831-1839. Well anyway, you can see that I am absolutely obsessed with discovering more about my elusive Springers! They sure have lead me for a chase. <grin> Best wishes, and again, thanks so much! Pam Ingle

(first, a note to the maillist - I just got home from 200 mile trip and my mailbox is full. Will get there, eventually, but covered up here at home with deer hunter son coming back out of the woods fore he goes back to IA and Doug's retirement party Wednes nite.) ******* To the Nevins/Sims research: Not my lines. Ha, I don't think. Kin to most in the county. There are researchers of Macoupin County working on these lines, tho. Sims Researchers Steve Sims <steves@ezl.com> Jody Long <vernlong@iamerica.net> Sandra Dunavan <SDunavan@aol.com> I had one Nevins researcher but her email address was bad: Cindy Vandeveer. I am copying the Macoupin County maillist to see if anyone there is working on either of your lines. Your email came thru just fine. Sorry, I can't help you. Gloria At 08:02 PM 11/15/99 -0600, you wrote: >Are you working on the Nevins/Sims families in Macoupin and Morgan >Counties? I'm not sure whether or not my e-mail is getting through since >the sender upgraded. > >Anxious to hear from you. > >Don Nevins nevins@ezl.com > ------------------ Gloria Frazier ILGenWeb Western Regional Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/western.htm Macoupin County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm Rock Island County ILGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilrockis/index.html FRAZIER-L maillist

In a message dated 11/15/1999 8:28:00 AM Central Standard Time, jdwhisler@juno.com writes: << Is the RUYLE Cemetery just for Ruyle family members or were other families buried there? Has anyone copied the stones previously for publication? >> Judy, I have a list (follows) that was copied and given to me by a woman who lives near the cemetery. I don't know if this is a list that was published at one time. It is a typewritten list. By the time we had worked to clear the cemetery, we were literally too tired to examine each stone, comparing it to the list for accuracy. We plan to do that when we return in the spring. Later in this email I will give the information my sister and I took from the few stones we could find in the jungle of undergrowth when we visited the cemetery in June of this year. Here is the list I was given a copy of: - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------- Scottville Twp. 12N-R9W Sec. 28 BORN DIED CONWAY Infant son of J.B. & N.A. Conaway Feb. 14, 1864 [No date listed] Sarah Ruyle Conway 1817 1858 CAUDLE John C. 1833 1876 Abigail [no dates given on the list] DUGGER Ada 1 yr. Oct. 10, 1880 DUGGAR James Robert son of Wm. & Polly July 9, 1879 Minerva dau. of Wm. & Polly [no dates given on the list] HOGGATE Tomaco dau. of H. Hoggate 2 yr. 1877 REDFERN John Wesley 1833 1854 Betsy A. dau. of S. & E. 18?? Solomon ? 30 yrs. Apr. 20, ?? Andrew son of E. Redfern 1857 Elizabeth [no dates given on the list] RICE Wife of Wm. Rice ?? 68 yrs. ?? 1830 RUYLE Aaron son of A.C. Ruyle 3 yrs. 1816 [?] Stephen D. son of H & E RULE 11 yrs. 5 da. Jan. 29, 1864 Austin 1810 69 ys. 1879 Andrew 1814 1897 Moses 1780 84 yrs. 1864 Elizabeth 1788 1851 Littleton 1824 ?? 2 sandstones - no names Charlie son of ?? [no dates given on the list] CUMMINS Minnie 1 yr. April 27, 1881 CUMONS ?? 24 yrs. April 28, 1882 [Note typewritten on list:] Anything I have marked in blue was not on the original cemetery listing but was picked up from death records at the courthouse.) [signed:] Thelma Dean Stewart [typewritten not handwritten] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------- Because I have a copy of a copy, I am not sure what was "marked in blue" but it looks like it may have been: Ada Dugger James Robert Duggar Minnie Cummins ?? Cumons I know I saw at least two Dugger/Duggar stones this past Saturday. This listing: CONWAY Infant son of J.B. & N.A. Conaway Feb. 14, 1864 [No date listed] was on the list without parents' initials or birth date, but this is a stone we did examine closely, using shaving cream to easily read the letters and numbers. We also looked closely at this stone: Stephen D. son of H & E RULE 11 yrs. 5 da. Jan. 29, 1864 The list did not give his middle initial or "son of H & E RULE." Note the misspelling of Rule on the stone. I also recall looking at Minerva Redfern's stone. It has more information on it. I believe it said she died at the age of 19. Her stone is the farthest from the front gate, right next to the back fence line. She has a footstone with her initials. Looking back, I wish we had taken the time to examine all the stones more closely, but I don't think we had the energy left! Also, we were eager to visit the nearby MILLER cemetery because some members of the family had never been there. Dark comes early now, so we wanted to leave the RUYLE Cemetery by 3:00 or 3:30 to have time to visit the MILLER Cemetery. Here is the information my sister and I gleaned in June: Nancy J. wife of Austin Ruyle died Feb. 8, 1887 age 66 yrs. 9 mo. 9 days Austin Ruyle died July 6, 1879 age 69 yrs. 4 mo. 15 days A. Ruyle [Andrew] born Feb. 1, 1814 died July 19, 1897 Charity M.C. [on the same stone as A. Ruyle] Wife of A. Ruyle born July 25, 1824 died July 21, 1880 Joseph B. Con___ [Conway?] died Aug. 22, 1869 age 51 yrs. 9 mo. 15 days Sarah wife of L. Connaway died Dec. 27, 1853 age 36 yrs. 3 mo. 4 days Moses Ruyle died April 10, 1864 age 84 yrs. Elizabeth [wife of Moses] died 1851 In June we were unable to get more information from Elizabeth's stone because it was tilted and under a large bramble rose bush. I believe it has more information on it than what we recorded at that time. On Saturday, we set this stone upright. I hope this information is useful and helpful to someone. I will certainly post an update after our next visit. ~~Rhonda Ashby Coulter

In a message dated 11/14/99 11:14:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, Eph0429@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 11/14/1999 7:37:14 PM Central Standard Time, > glofra@townsqr.com writes: > > << I have the cem books for townships: > Scottville >> > > My family and I were at the RUYLE Cemetery, two miles south of Scottville > yesterday. There were 14 of us working together to clear the undergrowth > and > trees from the site. > > We had beautiful weather for it, though we weren't able to do any burning. > Initially, my husband had to hack a path into the cemetery with a corn knife > > so we could get in to work, but the cemetery is now cleared and accessible. > > > We are very happy with the results and plan to go back in the spring if the > weather cooperates to do more work. > > My gggg-grandfather Moses Ruyle and his wife are buried here. Their stones > are still standing. Their son, my ggg-grandfather, Littleton Ruyle is > supposed to be buried here, as well, but we could not find his stone. > > In the spring we plan to take metal rods to probe the ground to check for > stones that may have fallen and are now hidden. > > It was a very satisfying project! > > ~~Rhonda Ashby Coulter > Rhonda, I would like to thank you and the other volunteers for your efforts to restore the Ruyle Cemetery. I have the "Tombstone Revelations in Macoupin County, IL, Volume 1" (compiled by the Macoupin County Historical Society Committee) which covers the Ruyle Cemetery. Aaron (s/AC Ruyle) 3yr 1816 Stephen Ruyle 11yr/5da 01-29-1864 Austin Ruyle 1810 1879 Andrew Ruyle 1814 1897 Moses Ruyle 1780 1864 Elizabeth Ruyle 1788 1851 Littleton Ruyle 1824 ??? 2 sandstone's no names Charlie/son no names You may find more information: 1. At the Macoupin County Historical Society Library. This library is in their museum. Please call for hours. 2. Look for obituaries 3. Check probate records at the courthouse Happy Hunting, Kathie Mirabella

YEA!!! For Rhonda's cemetery crew!!! Been there, done that. Understand how good you feel.. Thank you and to all who helped you. gloria At 11:10 PM 11/14/99 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/14/1999 7:37:14 PM Central Standard Time, >glofra@townsqr.com writes: > ><< I have the cem books for townships: > Scottville >> > >My family and I were at the RUYLE Cemetery, two miles south of Scottville >yesterday. There were 14 of us working together to clear the undergrowth and >trees from the site. > >We had beautiful weather for it, though we weren't able to do any burning. >Initially, my husband had to hack a path into the cemetery with a corn knife >so we could get in to work, but the cemetery is now cleared and accessible. > >We are very happy with the results and plan to go back in the spring if the >weather cooperates to do more work. > >My gggg-grandfather Moses Ruyle and his wife are buried here. Their stones >are still standing. Their son, my ggg-grandfather, Littleton Ruyle is >supposed to be buried here, as well, but we could not find his stone. > >In the spring we plan to take metal rods to probe the ground to check for >stones that may have fallen and are now hidden. > >It was a very satisfying project! > >~~Rhonda Ashby Coulter > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from ILMACOUP-L-request@rootsweb.com, send a message to: > ILMACOUP-L-request@rootsweb.com > that contains in the body of the message the command: > unsubscribe > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but your software may require one. > >

Good Maocupin twp/sect/range map here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/images/macoupin.jpg I have the cem books for townships: Scottville North Palmyra North Otter Virden Girard Barr South Palmyra South Otter Nilwood Western Mound Bird Carlinville Shaws Point Chesterfield Polk Brushy Mound Honey Point Hilyard Shipman ----------------- No help on Ezekial. I checked the probate records index thru 1867 and no Springer at all. In Carlinville Twp, Section 34, Mayfield Memorial Cem May Springer Myers 1869-1954 (no mon/day) Section F of the Cem Rest of twps for Macoupin I think I have most but may be missing a few as the gen soc aren't finished, I think. These twps: Gillespie Cahokia Brighton Bunker Hill Dorchester Mt. Olive Staunton ------------------ Gillespie City Cem which is in Cahokia twp, I found: Springer Carl 1879-1945 w/Marie Pauline d/o John Kurr 2 Feb 1883-4 Mar 1965 Herman 9 Feb 1883-11 Jul 1949 w/Olga (Katzmarek) 14 May 1885-20 Feb 1941 Lena d/o H & O Aug 1885-12 Jul 1964 (these may be no kin, if the others moved to IA I haven't cked the other cem books, yet, for all the southern twps I have. Yep, in the 1840's, lucky to find a marked grave. Having/owning land tho', they ought to had enough money for a tombstone if they still lived there. If they owned land in Macoupin, the deeds ought to be at Macoupin County courthouse. Might need to hire a pro researcher for that. If the land was sold before the others trekked to IA, the old ones might have gone, too. Section 3 of North Palmyra is bordering Morgan Co so you might need to look in Morgan. Sorry to not be much help. I am copying the Macoupin list to see if they might have something for you. Gloria At 06:05 PM 11/14/99 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Gloria........ >Thank you so much for responding. > >I realised just after I sent that query that I had failed to place a Twnship >and Range. >There were several purchases made in the period bet 1827 -1839. Most were >in North Palmyra, 12N 08W, sect 3. Two others were made in North Otter >Township, 12N 07W sec 34. > >I've checked over the USgenweb site for Macoupin Co. IL, but have not found >a likely cemetery location for their burial listed. Since they would have >been bur. over 160 years ago, it's not likely there would have been an >established cem.? > >They were of Baptist faith, if that helps....... >Pam > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gloria Frazier <glofra@townsqr.com> >To: Pam Ingle <pingle@viagrafix.net> >Date: Sunday, November 14, 1999 5:45 PM >Subject: Re: Cemetary LOOKUP? > > >>Might be easier to check if you knew the township where section 3 >>and 35 are. Those sections are in most townships so got 30 plus >>townships with those numbered sections. The range number and >>township number would put coordinates on the township then would be >>easier to start working cemeteries in then out from the twp. >> >>Thanks. Try to get that and I will then forward to maillist while I >>try looking too. >> >>Gloria >> >> >>At 02:57 PM 11/14/99 -0600, you wrote: >>>Hello, >>>I hate to ask for a lookup, but I'm at a brick wall. I've traced my >>>ancestor, Ezekiel Springer and his wife Rebecca to Macoupin Co. >>IL, ca 1830. >>>They were found on the 1830 census, but would have been in their >>60s at that >>>time. Their son Ezekiel Springer (II) appears on the 1840 and >>1850 census, >>>but moved to Iowa by 1860. >>> >>>Land Records indicate that he purchased land in section 3 and in >>section 35. >>>Ezekiel (I) was my 6great grandfather, and moved to Macoupin IL from >>>Monroe/Barren Co. KY in the late 1820s. His time of death was >>likely in >>>the mid to late 1830s. His son John died in KY ca. 1815, and my >>line went >>>on to TN,AR, OK. >>> >>>Please forward this message to anyone that could be of assistance. >> I am >>>willing to reimburse them for their time and effort if needed. >>> >>>Best wishes, >>>Pam Ingle