Bill and others, if you go to www.download.com and type in genealogy; it will bring up some demos and "shareware" you can download and try. the shareware let you try for a limited time, hen you must delete or buy. Nancy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

I have a death record for Joseph C. Rutherford who died in 1881, at the age of 29. The death certificate was signed by M. Josephine Rutherford.I am trying to determine their relationship to Joseph. Does anyone know the names of the 7 children and spouse before the marriage to Elizabeth White Seago Boswell? Descendants of Joseph Rutherford Generation No. 1 1. JOSEPH1 RUTHERFORD was born 1789 in NC, and died Unknown. He married ELIZABETH WHITE October 28, 1849, daughter of JOSEPH WHITE and ELIZABETH SELF. She was born 1814, and died June 16, 1889. Notes for JOSEPH RUTHERFORD: Sixty years old when he married Elizabeth White Seago Boswell and a widower with 7 children in the home. Children of JOSEPH RUTHERFORD and ELIZABETH WHITE are: i. LOUISA2 RUTHERFORD, b. 1858; d. Unknown. 2. ii. SARAH LEONORA RUTHERFORD, b. 1860, Jersey Co., IL; d. Unknown. iii. JOHN PERRY RUTHERFORD, b. 1862; d. Unknown. Thank you for any information you have to offer. Shirley

Bill, Check out the following URL for evaluations on genealogy programs. http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,295761,00.html FYI: I have used Family Tree Maker since 1992 and have upgraded it many times over the years. They come out with a new version every 6 months or so and I skip 2 versions inbetween upgrading. They also "keep you informed" about new upgrades. I downloaded the free PAF program from the LDS site, but use it sparingly. If you are looking for a good free program, then PAF should fit your needs. Larry

I've have finally settled on Family Origins by Parsons Tech. Its a very good program, easy to use (especially if your not into reading manuals), has a place for your references now and the upgrades are very reasonable. You can take a look at: http://www.parsonstech.com/ then click on the site index and select genealogy. I do still use PAF but only occasionally. -- Debi Fort Myers, FL df620@gate.net - - - - - - - - What do you call a boomerang that doesn't work? A Stick!

Bill, 1. I use Family Tree Maker for Windows (FTW) and have found it to be satisfactory. On the other hand, I haven't tried any other genealogy software. 2. If you insist upon Windows 98 please get the "Second Edition." I know at least three persons who had 98 (1st Edition) and they either had to remove it OR they are operating their computers at reduced capacity. 3. If you anticipate exchanging files with some family members overseas, or in other states, you might want to consider software that is compatible with their programs. To my knowledge, most genealogy programs can save in GEDCOM for transfer but it is a lot easier when everyone is "on the same page." Good luck Tom in Carlinville Bill McCallum wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill McCallum > To: Clan McCallum > Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 3:29 PM > Subject: Genealogy Software > > Hello Anybody, > > Would like some opinions quickly and then I will make a choice. > > I am using Windows 95 now and probably Windows 98 later. > > What I want to know is this: >

Personal Ancestral File by the LDS is free (we won't tell Santa) http://www.ldscatalog.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr= 369179&prmenbr=1402&CGRY_NUM=373032&RowStart=1&LocCode=FH That url will copy and paste into your browser window but if you have trouble, start from here and you can work your way from Order Family History Resources to the free stuff to download: http://www.familysearch.org/ I use Family Tree Maker. It works fine, has a lot of choices like making books, etc, but I like the printout of Brother's Keeper but don't know the downsides of Brother's Keeper. Gloria At 03:30 PM 11/27/99 -0500, you wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Bill McCallum >To: Clan McCallum >Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 3:29 PM >Subject: Genealogy Software > > >Hello Anybody, > >Would like some opinions quickly and then I will make a choice. > >I am using Windows 95 now and probably Windows 98 later. > >What I want to know is this: > >I plan for Santa to bring a new genealogy software package. Anybody got ideas or opinions on which is the best? Possibly some reasons for their recommendations or opinions. > >It will be greatly appreciated. My current software is old and not that friendly or useful. Want to get something that will be around for awhile and is universally accepted. > >Please help....thank you. Maybe with your help and my hints, Santa will bring me the right package. Ha! > >Bill McCallum >wmccallum@skantech.com > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >Check out Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763–1900: > http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/marriage > >

Bill, I use "The Master Genealogist" (Gold Edition for the multiple indexes, etc.) by Wholly Genes, Inc. which is a great program but probably is not for everyone. It is labor intensive but is extremely flexible to be used to the way you want to set up your files...not the way in which the program wants you to set up your files. You can see and read about it at www.whollygenes.com and see sample outputs. There is also a TMG-L list that is quite heavily used by TMG uses. Linda. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill McCallum <wmccallum@skantech.com> To: <ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 12:30 PM Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Fw: Genealogy Software > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill McCallum > To: Clan McCallum > Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 3:29 PM > Subject: Genealogy Software > > > Hello Anybody, > > Would like some opinions quickly and then I will make a choice. > > I am using Windows 95 now and probably Windows 98 later. > > What I want to know is this: > > I plan for Santa to bring a new genealogy software package. Anybody got ideas or opinions on which is the best? Possibly some reasons for their recommendations or opinions. > > It will be greatly appreciated. My current software is old and not that friendly or useful. Want to get something that will be around for awhile and is universally accepted. > > Please help....thank you. Maybe with your help and my hints, Santa will bring me the right package. Ha! > > Bill McCallum > wmccallum@skantech.com > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Check out Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763-1900: > http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/marriage > >

----- Original Message ----- From: Bill McCallum To: Clan McCallum Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 3:29 PM Subject: Genealogy Software Hello Anybody, Would like some opinions quickly and then I will make a choice. I am using Windows 95 now and probably Windows 98 later. What I want to know is this: I plan for Santa to bring a new genealogy software package. Anybody got ideas or opinions on which is the best? Possibly some reasons for their recommendations or opinions. It will be greatly appreciated. My current software is old and not that friendly or useful. Want to get something that will be around for awhile and is universally accepted. Please help....thank you. Maybe with your help and my hints, Santa will bring me the right package. Ha! Bill McCallum wmccallum@skantech.com

Bill, I have - The Master Genealogist (TMG), Ultimate Family Tree (UFT) and Family Tree Maker (FTM). I use Ultimate Family Tree (UFT) for entering my data. But, use the other packages for different reasons. All packages have their plus and minus. It comes down to what a person has become use to. Ultimate Family Tree and Family Tree Maker are now owned by the same company. 1. Both The Master Genealogist and Ultimate Family Tree assume you have strong computer skills. They have a high learning curve. 2. Family Tree Maker (FTM) is the one I usually recommend for the person who wants an excellent product for entering and printing out reports and forms. Watch the boxes - they all seem to use Tree Maker in their title and it is easy to buy the wrong product. I have FTM because I like to use their CD's. 3. What I like about The Master Genealogist (TMG) is it will read in most files, they do not have to be in GEDCOM format, from other software products and convert it to TMG format. You can than create a GEDCOM file which can be used by another product. UFT until the last release would not create a GEDCOM file that I could share with others. I was afraid UFT would go out of business. If this happened I would not be able to transfer my data. 4. No matter which product you pick - It will take hours to enter your data. But, the time spent will be worth it. I recommend you enter a few generations and print out reports to test format. You may want to change how you enter the data. 5. BACKUP your data everyday - this is the first thing you will want to learn. Keep 2 sets of backups - one at home and the other at work or a friends house. Happy Hunting, Kathie Mirabella In a message dated 11/27/99 3:36:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, wmccallum@skantech.com writes: > > Would like some opinions quickly and then I will make a choice. > > I am using Windows 95 now and probably Windows 98 later. > > What I want to know is this: > > I plan for Santa to bring a new genealogy software package. Anybody got > ideas or opinions on which is the best? Possibly some reasons for their > recommendations or opinions. > > It will be greatly appreciated. My current software is old and not that > friendly or useful. Want to get something that will be around for a while and > is universally accepted. > > Please help....thank you. Maybe with your help and my hints, Santa will > bring me the right package. Ha! > > Bill McCallum > wmccallum@skantech.com

I'm looking for information on the folowing BELCHERs in Macoupin county. 1.Lewis BELCHER, age 17 b. IN with Charles DRENNAN family in 1850 census. 2.Mary BELCHER, age 14 b. IN with B.T. BURK family in the 1850 census 3. Melinda BELCHER age 12 b. IN with Margaret HOWARD family in the 1850 census. 4. Nancy BELCHER m. James BOYLE in 1845, Macoupin county 5. Martha BALCHER/BELCHER m. Charles LOVELL 1848, Macoupin. 6. Emily BELCHER m. 1856 William J. HART, Macoupin. I believe the Belchers connect to my Lewis PITMAN family. Warren Lawrence wlawrence@tiadon.com

The jpg file format offers the most compression and smallest file sizes. It is widely used for web page pictures. If you scan your own pictures, use a scanning resolution of around 150 DPI (Dots Per Inch). Afterwards, you can use picture editing software to resize (also called resample) the picture after any cropping or editing. Resolutions of 320 X 240 or so are fine for web use. That resolution should result in a modest file size. > -----Original Message----- > From: KathieMir@aol.com [mailto:KathieMir@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 8:26 AM > To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Need someone to explain the sending of pictures on > the INTERNET > > > Hi, > > Hoping someone on the list can explain, to the list, the > different picture > format's. Which ones to use and when to use them - seems we have to pick > from bmp, jpg, wmf, fpx, psd, tif, etc. Some of us, my self > included, are > new to scanning pictures. My problem is what format to save the > picture in. > I want to be able to send pictures, over the INTERNET, to > friends, family and > Gloria to add to the Macoupin County, IL page. When I see it is going to > take anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes to upload - I abort the process. > > I have tried changing the format - picture looked good until the > next time I > went to look - now the picture is blurry. > > Any help greatly appreciated. > > Happy Hunting, > > Kathie Mirabella > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Difference between ILMACOUP-L and ILMACOUP-D: > ILMACOUP-L mailing list allows you to receive every posting > made to ILMACOUP as a separate email. > ILMACOUP-D mailing list allows you to receive several > postings as a single large message. >

Hi, Hoping someone on the list can explain, to the list, the different picture format's. Which ones to use and when to use them - seems we have to pick from bmp, jpg, wmf, fpx, psd, tif, etc. Some of us, my self included, are new to scanning pictures. My problem is what format to save the picture in. I want to be able to send pictures, over the INTERNET, to friends, family and Gloria to add to the Macoupin County, IL page. When I see it is going to take anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes to upload - I abort the process. I have tried changing the format - picture looked good until the next time I went to look - now the picture is blurry. Any help greatly appreciated. Happy Hunting, Kathie Mirabella

In all of my excitement I left out some pretty important information. Please excuse any confusion I may have caused. Here are the corrections: Dear List: Hope you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving. I have a lot to be Thankful for and I want to share my findings with you. I strongly believe I have made a connection.......a small leap over my brick wall!!!! Here it is: 1880 Benton County, MO Census lists: ................Jasper N. Seago......age 34, w m IL (head of household) .................Miranda Jane..........age 27, w f IL .................Harvey C.................age 6 w m IL .................Elizabeth A..............age 4 w f IL .................Jehu D.....................age 2 w m IL .................Jehu HILL................age 60 w m f/l TN Here's what I know: James Shadrack Hill b. Sept 12, 1880, in Girard, Macoupin Co.,IL..........to William Hill & Sarah Leonora (Nora Rutherford). They were m. Dec. 11, 1878 in Jersey Co.,IL. Nora's mother was.......Elizabeth White Seago Boswell Rutherford m 1st to.......Cornelius Seago and the parents of .............Jasper N. Seago!!!!!..........and 3rd m. for Elizabeth White was Joseph Rutherford, the parents of............Nora Rutherford!!!!! My grandfather was left in MO, with an Uncle Seago and Aunt Jane. Miranda Jane Hill Seago applied for the pension of Jasper N. Seago on April 17, 1890 from MO.,.........under the name of his widow.........Jane!!!! Jehu Hill was living in the household of Jasper N. Seago and is most likely the father of...............William and Miranda Jane Hill!!!!!! I am esctatic! I have trying to put the pieces of this puzzle together for nearly a year. Any connections to Jehu HILL b. in TN>IL>MO????????? Any cousins??????? Shirley Miller Dunn

Dear List: Hope you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving. I have a lot to be Thankful for and I want to share my findings with you. I strongly believe I have made a connection.......a small leap over my brick wall!!!! Here it is: 1880 Benton County Census lists: ................Jasper N. Seago......age 34, w m head of household .................Miranda Jane..........age 27, w f .................Harvey C.................age 6 w m .................Elizabeth A..............age 4 w f .................Jehu D.....................age 2 w m .................Jehu HILL................age 60 w m f/l Here's what I know: James Shadrack Hill b. Sept 12, 1880..........to William Hill & Sarah Leonora (Nora) Rutherford. Nora's mother was.......Elizabeth White Seago Boswell Rutherford m 1st to.......Cornelius Seago and the parents of .............Jasper N. Seago!!!!!..........and 3rd m. for Elizabeth White was Joseph Rutherford, the parents of............Nora Rutherford!!!!! My grandfather was left in MO, with an Uncle Seago and Aunt Jane. Miranda Jane Hill Seago applied for the pension of Jasper N. Seago on April 17, 1890 from MO.,.........under the name of his widow.........Jane!!!! Jehu Hill was living in the household of Jasper N. Seago and is most likely the father of...............William and Miranda Jane Hill!!!!!! I am esctatic! I have trying to put the pieces of this puzzle together for nearly a year. Any connections to Jehu HILL b. in TN>IL>MO????????? Any cousins??????? Shirley Miller Dunn

Ooops, I made a typo on the date in my query. I should have said I want to find this EDWARDS family from the year 1870 on, as I have no record of them after their listing on the Macoupin County, Carlinville 1870 census. William EDWARDS b.about 1851 Ohio Mary . his twin, Angeline EDWARDS, their mother, born abt 1811-15 in VA or OH. Thanks to anyone who may have any scrap of information about what happened to this family after the 1870 census. Joanne in CA erictem@earthlink.net ------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: Joanne/erictem <erictem@earthlink.net> To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com <ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, November 25, 1999 8:00 AM Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] people in old Macoupin County pictures >Hi! Could your EDWARDS family members possibly be descended from a >WILLIAM EDWARDS who lived in the Carlinville area in 1870? He was born >in Scioto Co, OH about 1851. I don't know who he married or what >happened to him after the 1870 Macoupin Co. census. In 1870, he was living >with his mother Angeline and siblings Mary (his Twin), and George b. 1853 in >Ohio. > George went back to Iroquois Co, IL( where the family lived for a while >around 1857-186_?_), and lived the rest of his life there. >I don't know what happened to Angeline and the twins. I assume that they >continued to live in Macoupin Co. but can't find them later on, or any >marriage, death or burial info. for them. >Want to find them in 1880s on and locate their descendants. > >Joanne in CA at >erictem@earthlink.net > > >-----Original Message----- >From: KathieMir@aol.com <KathieMir@aol.com> >To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com <ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 4:54 PM >Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Need information on people in old Macoupin County >pictures > > >>I have some old (late 1800s early 1900s), Macoupin County, IL photographs >of >>individuals and am trying to obtain more information. The pictures at one >>time belonged to my grandmother, Rita Wheeler McDermott, and these people >all >>seem to be related. I would love to hear from you is you have information >on: >> >>(Jasper) Uncle Roy Edwards >>Laura Edwards >>Jane Edwards Loveless >>Rilda Edwards Parrott >>Roger L. Edwards (taken June 17, 1939) > > >>Kathie Mirabella >> >

Hi! Could your EDWARDS family members possibly be descended from a WILLIAM EDWARDS who lived in the Carlinville area in 1870? He was born in Scioto Co, OH about 1851. I don't know who he married or what happened to him after the 1870 Macoupin Co. census. In 1870, he was living with his mother Angeline and siblings Mary (his Twin), and George b. 1853 in Ohio. George went back to Iroquois Co, IL( where the family lived for a while around 1857-186_?_), and lived the rest of his life there. I don't know what happened to Angeline and the twins. I assume that they continued to live in Macoupin Co. but can't find them later on, or any marriage, death or burial info. for them. Want to find them in 1880s on and locate their descendants. Joanne in CA at erictem@earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: KathieMir@aol.com <KathieMir@aol.com> To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com <ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 4:54 PM Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Need information on people in old Macoupin County pictures >I have some old (late 1800s early 1900s), Macoupin County, IL photographs of >individuals and am trying to obtain more information. The pictures at one >time belonged to my grandmother, Rita Wheeler McDermott, and these people all >seem to be related. I would love to hear from you is you have information on: > >(Jasper) Uncle Roy Edwards >Laura Edwards >Jane Edwards Loveless >Rilda Edwards Parrott >Roger L. Edwards (taken June 17, 1939) >Kathie Mirabella >

Hi, I have some old (late 1800s early 1900s), Macoupin County, IL photographs of individuals and am trying to obtain more information. The pictures at one time belonged to my grandmother, Rita Wheeler McDermott, and these people all seem to be related. I would love to hear from you is you have information on: Joe Van Meter Roy A. Lowe (Jasper) Uncle Roy Edwards Laura Edwards Mary Stokes Beebe Jane Edwards Loveless Rilda Edwards Parrott Roger L. Edwards (taken June 17, 1939) Perry Griffin and wife Edna May Beebe Thanks for any help. Kathie Mirabella

Thanks so much for your help. I truly appreciate the information. Corinne -----Original Message----- From: Tom Bunt <vrdrt@ctnet.net> To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com <ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, November 22, 1999 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [ILMACOUP-L] Carlingville Minister >If I'm not mistaken the Lutherans had their own German speaking church about that time - >maybe even a German speaking school? If someone can find the records I can probably >translate the highlights of the text. > >Tom > >Gloria Frazier wrote: > >> If that is ?Carlinville? the town, not his last name?? >> >> If Carlinville, the town, here is a church address for a Lutheran >> Church Office in Carlinville >> >> Zion Lutheran Church >> 425 South Broad >> Carlinville, IL 62626 >> Phone: 217-854-8514 >> >> If they can't help, they might be able to lead you..... >> >> I know there are variations of the Lutheran church but don't see >> others in Carlinville from a Carlinville 1996 phone dir which I have. >> >> We don't have access to many church records. I believe there are >> some at the Carlinville Public Library but can't remember what they >> are. I am 300 miles away from Carlinville so not sure. >> >> Might want to try the one at Bunker Hill in Macoupin County: >> Zion Lutheran Church >> 609 E Warren >> Bunker Hill, IL 62014 >> 618-585-3606 >> >> a couple in Gillespie Macoupin County >> Redeemer Lutheran Church >> 206 W Spruce >> Gillespie IL 62033 >> 217-839-2717 >> >> Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church >> 107 Elm >> Gillespie IL 62033 >> 217-839-2500 >> >> Good Luck >> >> At 12:24 PM 11/22/99 -0800, you wrote: >> >I'll try again with more precise information. >> > >> > CARLINGVILLE, Reverend George Lienhardt >> > >> > was Pastor at Luther Church. >> > >> > He married Aguste Schupman on 7/21/1885, >> > in Macoupin County. >> > >> >Would some kind person check the Church records >> >for his dates of service? >> > >> >Many thanks, >> > >> >Corinne >> >taramark@netins.net >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >> >Check out Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763–1900: >> > http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/marriage >> > >> > >> >> ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from ILMACOUP-L-request@rootsweb.com, send a message to: >> ILMACOUP-L-request@rootsweb.com >> that contains in the body of the message the command: >> unsubscribe >> and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but your software may require one. > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >To post a message so everyone on ILMACOUP-L or ILMACOUP-D receives it, send the message to: > ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com > It will then be sent on to everyone in both ILMACOUP-L or ILMACOUP-D.

I need to find a death that took place after 1879 probably in the Dorchester area. Anyone out there able to help? I'm looking for Nancy (Piper) Faris Williams. I know she owned property in Dorchester in 1879. Does anyone have access to the 1880 or 1890 Macoupin Co., Census to see if she was listed in that? I'd really like her death certificate and any probate or court documents regarding her death. Any help greatly appreciated. Thank you - -- Debi Fort Myers, FL df620@gate.net - - - - - - - - What do you call a boomerang that doesn't work? A Stick!

If I'm not mistaken the Lutherans had their own German speaking church about that time - maybe even a German speaking school? If someone can find the records I can probably translate the highlights of the text. Tom Gloria Frazier wrote: > If that is ?Carlinville? the town, not his last name?? > > If Carlinville, the town, here is a church address for a Lutheran > Church Office in Carlinville > > Zion Lutheran Church > 425 South Broad > Carlinville, IL 62626 > Phone: 217-854-8514 > > If they can't help, they might be able to lead you..... > > I know there are variations of the Lutheran church but don't see > others in Carlinville from a Carlinville 1996 phone dir which I have. > > We don't have access to many church records. I believe there are > some at the Carlinville Public Library but can't remember what they > are. I am 300 miles away from Carlinville so not sure. > > Might want to try the one at Bunker Hill in Macoupin County: > Zion Lutheran Church > 609 E Warren > Bunker Hill, IL 62014 > 618-585-3606 > > a couple in Gillespie Macoupin County > Redeemer Lutheran Church > 206 W Spruce > Gillespie IL 62033 > 217-839-2717 > > Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church > 107 Elm > Gillespie IL 62033 > 217-839-2500 > > Good Luck > > At 12:24 PM 11/22/99 -0800, you wrote: > >I'll try again with more precise information. > > > > CARLINGVILLE, Reverend George Lienhardt > > > > was Pastor at Luther Church. > > > > He married Aguste Schupman on 7/21/1885, > > in Macoupin County. > > > >Would some kind person check the Church records > >for his dates of service? > > > >Many thanks, > > > >Corinne > >taramark@netins.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > >Check out Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763–1900: > > http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/marriage > > > > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from ILMACOUP-L-request@rootsweb.com, send a message to: > ILMACOUP-L-request@rootsweb.com > that contains in the body of the message the command: > unsubscribe > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but your software may require one.