I haven't recieved any mail either. I guess everyone's on a break. Good Luck

No mail received from ILMACOUP-L since last Thursday, Dec. 2nd. Is the List working, or have I been unsubscribed? Thanks. -- Bill Gusky DeLand, Florida "Too soon oldt, und too late schmart!"

Schuyler County, IL is now at a new location: http://www.macomb.com/~ilschuyl Robin Petersen, Schuyler County Coordinator, has done an excellent job redesigning the site. It is worth a visit. If you are looking for a particular IL County you may want to try the following site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilshelb2/regions.html You will note the counties are broken into regions. Each region has a coordinator. Our Macoupin County, IL Coordinator, Gloria Frazier, is IL Western Counties Regional Coordinator. I appreciate all the time, tears, smiles and energy Gloria has put into making the IL Western region a wonderful place for researchers. Thank You Gloria! Thank You Robin! Kathie Mirabella

Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 09:44:53 -0600 From: Cindy Leonard <cclcl@madisontelco.com> Subject: Sam & Mary X-Sender: cclcl@mail.madisontelco.com (Unverified) To: glofra@townsqr.com Cc: ednag@npwt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Another couple of items I thought about for Sam & Mary: Phone cards for long=distance Gift certificates for various restauraunts - they have no place to cook right now. Just thought I'd let you know.

I went to my local library today where I have the Macoupin Co.,1880 Federal Census on interlibrary loan. Here are the families for Rutherford's listed in case anyone is interested in them. Family #141 Girard Township 1880,page 18: Mary M. Roberts (head of household).........w,f,43,widowed,keeping house,nativity IL, father b. in Vermont, mother b. in IL George Rutherford............son,w,m,20,single,works in Haroughship?(spelling hard to read, maybe someone will recognize) father b. in IL Ida Roberts..................w,f,10, daughter,IL Ada Roberts...............w,f,(oops),daughter,IL then listed but crossed through is: (maybe someone can offer information as to why). Albert Rutherford......son,w,m,23,widowed,occupation-prisoner, nativity IL & also both parents. Family #209, page 24: J.A.Rutherford (head of household) .................w,m,44,married,day laborer, can not read or write, nativity IL. Father's nativity is France, mother's nativity is Switzerland. Frances...............his wife,w,f,28,keeping house,IL, no nativity listed for her parents. Julia A. .................w,f,11,IL James W. ..............w,m,8,attending school,IL Family 194, page 33: Joseph Rutherford (head of household).............w,m,87,farmer,nativity TN,doesn't know nativity of father & mother. Elizabeth...............his wife,w,f,68, keeping house,nativity IL, parents both from IL. William Hill.....................son-in-law,w,m,22,day laborer, IL, parents both from IL. Sarah L. Rutherford........ daughter,w,f,17,keeping house,IL. Nilwood Township, page 12: Family #107 Horace Rutherford (head of Household)..........w,m,27,married,farmer,IL, father b. in TN, mother ? (can't make it out) Nina...........wife,w,f,22,keeping house,IL, father & mother born in IL. Cecil............son,age 3,IL Daisy.............daughter,2,IL Ella Johnson.......w,f,15, Servant,IL,attended school, father & mother b. in IL Rolley McGlen or McGee?..........w,m,Servant,IL, attended school,father & mother b. in KY Family #168,page 19: Malessa McGlee or McGee?head of household...........w,f,58,keeping house,widowed,Vermont,father b. in Conn,mother b. in NH. Adelade Rutherford...........her daughter,w,f,31,single,at home,IL.,father b. in TN. Hope this helps someone. Shirley

Mary McKenzie, board member for the Macoupin County Genealogical Society, coordinates the information for us at this site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_gensoc.htm Mary also puts the newsletter Searcher together for quarterly mailings to Gen Society members. Ok, everyone, "our kind" needs help. Mary needs that computer back or clothes on their backs or whatever. I challenge all list subscribers to mail at least $5.00 to Sam and Mary. Come on, some of us can afford $10. Let's do it! Sam & Mary McKenzie P.O. Box 43 Livingston, IL 62058 Thanks to anyone helping Sam and Mary. Gloria Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 15:36:54 -0600 From: Cindy Leonard <cclcl@madisontelco.com> Subject: Sam & Mary McKenzie X-Sender: cclcl@mail.madisontelco.com To: glofra@townsqr.com Cc: ednag@npwt.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Today Sam & Mary Mckenzie pretty much lost everything in a fire at their home. Sam has a 1st degree burn on his right hand, but otherwise both are safe. The loss of their home is no doubt devastating, but in time they will rebuild & recover. I don't know if there is much to salvage. When we took Sam home from the hospital Mary said something about a few pieces of family heirloom furniture being salvaged. I don't know where they'll be staying for now, they were at Mary's nephew Eric's in Livingston this afternoon. Perhaps they'll stay at the motel there tonite. Jill Secoy & husband Louis have offered them the use of their 18 foot camper for the time being - don't know when that will get moved over there. Obviously, no phone available and of course no e-mail at this time. Sam said he didn't know what happened to Mary's computer - so that doesn't sound good either. Don't know about clothes, or personal items - the local Veterans Auxiliary was going to get them a small donation to help with what they can. Cindy

Hi Bill, Thanks eversomuch for your web site address. I book marked it and feel very grateful to you for your wanting to share. Please keep up the good works any time a new site enters your world share with the list. With Regards and gratefulness Jo Ann

I have visited the IRAD office several times and found the staff helpful, professional, and pleasant. Perhaps you dealt with someone having a bad day. Linda Kmiecik tonky@ctnet.net

I just learned something kinda useful. While using a new (to me) and very powerful search engine called Google at <http://www.google.com>, I happened across a web site for the St. Louis library. They maintain on-line lists of obits. To quote from them: "This index of names was obtained from both the Death Notice and the Burial Permits listing in the St. Louis Post Dispatch. Death Notice entries generally include the date of death; names of spouses, children, and parents; place of the funeral; and place of internment. Some names may appear out of alphabetical order in the Death Notice Section of the St. Louis Post Dispatch." The site can be found at <http://www.slpl.lib.mo.us/libsrc/obit93a.htm>. The URL given here is for 1993, but you can reach other years from 1992 to 1999 by plugging the appropriate number into the URL. Anyway, despite that my dad died in Litchfield, I found his name and the published date of his obit in the 1993 list. I thought some folks on the List may find it useful also. Cheers. -- Bill Gusky DeLand, Florida "Too soon oldt, und too late schmart!"

I see IRAD has the deed records on micro-film for Macoupin, but not the deed index... Does one contact the county courthouse for this info? Is there a published deed index? BTW, is it just me, or is that particular IRAD not too user-friendly? It seems some of the other IRAD's I've requested documents from are much more efficient and pleasant. Nancy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com

Gee, golly, ain't that the future thing to do. Get a response by email. If we have all this at our fingertips, why are so many organizations so far behind? I want to know. YES! for the Nara email response. But hard to believe the federal govt would save a stamp and paper..........<g> Good luck, Bill, on your trail. gloria At 07:35 PM 12/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >Gloria Frazier wrote: >> >> Hey, wait a minute. > >[text outlining process for ordering form used to request draft >registration snipped] > >> Did you just order the form by email or were you able to order the >> card itself by email? And, if you ordered the card copy by email, >> did you use that email address in the above instruction???????? We >> need more info on your ease in getting the copy. Thanks. > >On 10/28/99 I e-mailed NARA Southeast, <archives@atlanta.nara.gov>. I >said I was writing "to request either the appropriate form or the >search itself, whichever I may have at this time". And I gave the >info: name (including a range of possible surnames), D.O.B., and town >of residence during the draft period. > >On 11/16/99 I got an e-mail response from a very helpful Ms. Suzanne >Dewberry, Archivist (bless her heart), writing from that same e-mail >address. She told me she'd located the draft card and to please remit >a check or money order in the amount of $10 made out to the National >Archives Trust Fund and send it to NARA--Southeast Region, 1557 St. >Joseph Avenue, East Point GA 30344. Upon receipt, she would send the >copy by return mail. I did, and she did. I have been most favorably >impressed with the staff at NARA Southeast, specifically Ms. Dewberry >and also a gentleman named Roger who has been working the desk and >helping people during my three visits there. They seem not to fit the >stereotypical bureaucrat mold. In fact, it's my experience that they >treat researchers as valued customers. Very refreshing, and it >prompted me to write and file a favorable comment and leave a donation >during my last visit. > >> Oh, Bill, I know when Soc Security came along and many didn't have >> a birth cert then WWII and still no birth cert, and they HAD to >> have one. If they wanted to change the spelling of/or just their >> name, that was the time and many did. The Bible record might say >> Mom gave a child the name Edward and on his birth cert he is Milton >> George. They were also advised if they wanted to shorten or >> Americanize their names that making a delayed birth cert was the >> time to do it. Just a thot on Gusky. This might have been a form of >> the case with him going into WWI. > >My grandfather died in 1934, prior to SS registration, so no help >there. I've come to believe the original Lithuanian name was >Gajauskas, but he used a Polish variation, Gayousky, in the early days >for his marriage license and the baptism of his children. Then he >used Guskey on his draft registration in 1918, and it somehow got >cranked around to Gusky. I speculate he stayed away from the original >name to throw the Russians off the trail, because he left parents and >a sister in Lithuania in 1900, and feared retribution for fleeing >conscription. All speculation at this point, but I have hope of >learning more from four or five Lithuanian language circa 1928 - 1934 >letters from his sister which I hope to receive next week. > >Thanks for your comments, Gloria. I believe you're right that he'd >emigrated without a birth cert (probably to avoid leaving a trail), >and I guess that made it easier to change his name and even his age to >fit the circumstances. > >Cheers. > >-- >Bill Gusky >DeLand, Florida >"Too soon oldt, und too late schmart!" > >

Gloria Frazier wrote: > > Hey, wait a minute. [text outlining process for ordering form used to request draft registration snipped] > Did you just order the form by email or were you able to order the > card itself by email? And, if you ordered the card copy by email, > did you use that email address in the above instruction???????? We > need more info on your ease in getting the copy. Thanks. On 10/28/99 I e-mailed NARA Southeast, <archives@atlanta.nara.gov>. I said I was writing "to request either the appropriate form or the search itself, whichever I may have at this time". And I gave the info: name (including a range of possible surnames), D.O.B., and town of residence during the draft period. On 11/16/99 I got an e-mail response from a very helpful Ms. Suzanne Dewberry, Archivist (bless her heart), writing from that same e-mail address. She told me she'd located the draft card and to please remit a check or money order in the amount of $10 made out to the National Archives Trust Fund and send it to NARA--Southeast Region, 1557 St. Joseph Avenue, East Point GA 30344. Upon receipt, she would send the copy by return mail. I did, and she did. I have been most favorably impressed with the staff at NARA Southeast, specifically Ms. Dewberry and also a gentleman named Roger who has been working the desk and helping people during my three visits there. They seem not to fit the stereotypical bureaucrat mold. In fact, it's my experience that they treat researchers as valued customers. Very refreshing, and it prompted me to write and file a favorable comment and leave a donation during my last visit. > Oh, Bill, I know when Soc Security came along and many didn't have > a birth cert then WWII and still no birth cert, and they HAD to > have one. If they wanted to change the spelling of/or just their > name, that was the time and many did. The Bible record might say > Mom gave a child the name Edward and on his birth cert he is Milton > George. They were also advised if they wanted to shorten or > Americanize their names that making a delayed birth cert was the > time to do it. Just a thot on Gusky. This might have been a form of > the case with him going into WWI. My grandfather died in 1934, prior to SS registration, so no help there. I've come to believe the original Lithuanian name was Gajauskas, but he used a Polish variation, Gayousky, in the early days for his marriage license and the baptism of his children. Then he used Guskey on his draft registration in 1918, and it somehow got cranked around to Gusky. I speculate he stayed away from the original name to throw the Russians off the trail, because he left parents and a sister in Lithuania in 1900, and feared retribution for fleeing conscription. All speculation at this point, but I have hope of learning more from four or five Lithuanian language circa 1928 - 1934 letters from his sister which I hope to receive next week. Thanks for your comments, Gloria. I believe you're right that he'd emigrated without a birth cert (probably to avoid leaving a trail), and I guess that made it easier to change his name and even his age to fit the circumstances. Cheers. -- Bill Gusky DeLand, Florida "Too soon oldt, und too late schmart!"

>Resent-Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:36:15 -0800 (PST) >Reply-To: "Jim Bridges" <jimbridg@frontiernet.net> >From: "Jim Bridges" <jimbridg@frontiernet.net> >Old-To: "Gloria Frazier" <glofra@townsqr.com>, <ILGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [ILGEN-L] WARNING - New Malicious Worm Destroying Files >Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:35:16 -0500 >To: ILGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: ILGEN-L@rootsweb.com >The warning of a worm from Gloria is valid. More details, as well as fixes, >can be found here: > >http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/worm.explorezip.pack.html > >Jim Bridges >St. Clair Co. IL GenWeb Project Coordinator >e-mail: jimbridg@frontiernet.net >http://www.frontiernet.net/~jimbridg/stclair.htm > >

DO NOT OPEN ZIPPED FILE ATTACHMENTS. YOU MAY KNOW THE SENDER. THE SENDER MAY NOT KNOW THEY ARE SENDING YOU THE WORM. IF A SENDER HAS OPENED THE ZIPPED FILES WITH THE WORM, THEN THE WORM IS IN THEIR COMPUTER AND THE WORM WILL AUTOMATICALLY SEND EMAIL FROM THAT MACHINE TO ALL LISTED IN THE VICTIM'S EMAIL INBOX. (I don't know about a fix. I just received these msgs.) The email msg which is being sent from infected computers looks something like this: Hi <Recipient Name>! I received your email and I shall send you a reply ASAP. Till then, take a look at the attached zipped docs. Bye (This salutation messages changes and may be "Bye", Sincerely" and "All") ******** Technical stuff for the worm below: TROJ_EXPLOREZIP Is Back with a Twist A variant of the autospam TROJ_EXPLOREZIP worm, TROJ_EXPZIPWMPAK, is spreading quickly and damaging files There is a newly discovered variant of the Trojan ExploreZip worm that was originally discovered in June, 1999. This variant, TROJ_EXPZIPWMPAK, is identical to the original ExploreZip worm in that it is auto-spamming malicious code that destroys data on the infected system. The only significant difference between this variant of the worm and the original is that TROJ_EXPZIPWMPAK is compressed with a different type of compression format, thereby evading protection for the previous worm. TROJ_EXPZIPWMPAK attacks Windows 95, 98, and NT systems and has been detected at several Fortune 500 customer sites in the United States. TROJ_EXPZIPWMPAK emails itself out as an attachment under the filename "zipped_files.exe". The subject line of the email varies. The body of the email message may also contain the following text: Hi <Recipient Name>! I received your email and I shall send you a reply ASAP. Till then, take a look at the attached zipped docs. Bye (This salutation messages changes and may be "Bye", Sincerely" and "All") After a user clicks on the attachment, this destructive trojan searches hard drives C: through Z:, selecting the Microsoft Word, Excel and PowerPoint files as well as source code files used by programmers including C++, C, and Assembler source files and reduces their file size to zero, making the data unrecoverable. When executed, TROJ_EXPZIPWMPAK utilizes MAPI enabled email systems, to automatically reply to any subsequently received email messages. The email reply will include the infected attachment with the message shown above. It will use the subject line of the received email when it replies. "TROJ_EXPLOREZIP caused millions of dollars of damage worldwide the first time since it overwrites files, instead of just deleting them, it's particularly damaging.

Hey, wait a minute. That text site <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/wwidraft.txt> sez this about half down the url page: "To have the National Archives staff search these records for you, get a "World War I Registration Card Request" form. You can request the form from <archives@atlanta.nara.gov>, or write a letter to: National Archives - Southeast Region 1557 St. Joseph Avenue East Point, GA 30344 (404) 763-7383 <http://www.nara.gov/regional/atlanta.html> The Southeast Region archives will search the cards for you, and bill you $10.00 for each card found. There is no charge for searches when a record is not located. The response time is about two weeks. For each card requested, you must supply: - the full name of registrant, - approximate date of birth, - the place of residence when he registered: !*** A street address is required for urban areas ***! For rural areas, the name of the town or county is usually sufficient." Did you just order the form by email or were you able to order the card itself by email? And, if you ordered the card copy by email, did you use that email address in the above instruction???????? We need more info on your ease in getting the copy. Thanks. Oh, Bill, I know when Soc Security came along and many didn't have a birth cert then WWII and still no birth cert, and they HAD to have one. If they wanted to change the spelling of/or just their name, that was the time and many did. The Bible record might say Mom gave a child the name Edward and on his birth cert he is Milton George. They were also advised if they wanted to shorten or Americanize their names that making a delayed birth cert was the time to do it. Just a thot on Gusky. This might have been a form of the case with him going into WWI Gloria At 08:11 PM 11/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >A first for me... I'd sent away to NARA Atlanta for a WWI draft >registration for WILLIAM GEORGE GUSKY/GAYOUSKY, my grandfather who'd >lived in White City and Wilsonville. Put in the request to NARA by >e-mail, and got it today in exchange for a $10 check and a very short >wait. I'm glad to have it, but as frequently happens, it brought some >confusion as well as some light. > >The surname on the registration was GUSKEY instead of GUSKY, and my >grandfather signed it exactly the same way, though he'd signed his >marriage license as GAYOUSKY and my father was baptized as GAYOUSKI. >The draft registration gives his birth date as April 5th, 1880 (the >zero is clear and unequivocal, not a scrawly six), although his >marriage license and other resources say 1886. Age was given as 38, >which squares with the birth date, but he reported 25 in the 1910 >census and 37 in the 1920 census. Puts me in mind of the saying that >a man with a watch knows what time it is, while a man with two watches >has no idea. > >The good news is that the back of the card has a physical description >showing medium height, stout build, blue eyes, and light brown hair. >Kinda compensates for the black and white photos. The rest of the >information included permanent home address; nearest relative (his >wife, and they pretty well butchered her name); race; citizenship = >naturalized; occupation = coal miner; employer = Consolidated Coal >Co.; date of registration = Sept 12, 1918. > >I was hoping the registration data might include parents or place of >origin, but I suppose that will have to wait for the naturalization >papers I've requested. With luck, maybe there won't be too many more >data conflicts. > >-- >Bill Gusky >DeLand, Florida >"Too soon oldt, und too late schmart!" > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >To post a message so everyone on ILMACOUP-L or ILMACOUP-D receives it, send the message to: > ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com > It will then be sent on to everyone in both ILMACOUP-L or ILMACOUP-D. > >

A first for me... I'd sent away to NARA Atlanta for a WWI draft registration for WILLIAM GEORGE GUSKY/GAYOUSKY, my grandfather who'd lived in White City and Wilsonville. Put in the request to NARA by e-mail, and got it today in exchange for a $10 check and a very short wait. I'm glad to have it, but as frequently happens, it brought some confusion as well as some light. The surname on the registration was GUSKEY instead of GUSKY, and my grandfather signed it exactly the same way, though he'd signed his marriage license as GAYOUSKY and my father was baptized as GAYOUSKI. The draft registration gives his birth date as April 5th, 1880 (the zero is clear and unequivocal, not a scrawly six), although his marriage license and other resources say 1886. Age was given as 38, which squares with the birth date, but he reported 25 in the 1910 census and 37 in the 1920 census. Puts me in mind of the saying that a man with a watch knows what time it is, while a man with two watches has no idea. The good news is that the back of the card has a physical description showing medium height, stout build, blue eyes, and light brown hair. Kinda compensates for the black and white photos. The rest of the information included permanent home address; nearest relative (his wife, and they pretty well butchered her name); race; citizenship = naturalized; occupation = coal miner; employer = Consolidated Coal Co.; date of registration = Sept 12, 1918. I was hoping the registration data might include parents or place of origin, but I suppose that will have to wait for the naturalization papers I've requested. With luck, maybe there won't be too many more data conflicts. -- Bill Gusky DeLand, Florida "Too soon oldt, und too late schmart!"

I myself, have been researching my ancestors since I was 16 - so I have 26 years experience as well researching. I have at the present time 21 programs that I have tried at one time or another. And each time, I RETURN to FTM for many reasons. It is a much easier program to use - more user friendly than most of them out there, especially TMG which to me, was the most difficult and un-user friendly program I have ever seen. Another good thing about FTM is the book capabilities are far better than any of the other programs I have tried. And the technical support is great whenever you need their help. As to the World Family Tree Volumes put out by FTM - they have been immensely helpful with many researchers. I have found ancestors and their descendants on numerous volumes and have been able to contact the submitter for more information and have been able to increase my family tree far beyond what I ever expected to. And these volumes are offered at a DISCOUNT to people who use FTM. Case in point, recently, a friend of mine gave me his mother's and father's names and asked to see what kind of information I was able to find. His parents are both deceased and he never knew his grandparents. I was able to locate a tree on the WFT which contained information about a couple of the cousins he remembered. We were able to contact this cousin whom he has not seen in 30 years and obtain information relating to his family all because I was able to locate his parents on one of the WFT volumes. I personally verify all information that I add to my family trees or make sure that the person who has given the information to me is a reliable source for the information. Yes, I am sure that there are many of these trees on the WFT that are not accurate and it would be wise to verify facts on these trees before adding them to you files. But without these WFT, I would not have increased my family tree from a little over 1000 names to over 29,000 and it is still growing. I have met new cousins through this and have obtained written, published works on several branches of my family and am now back to the early 1600's on several branches. I found chinks in the brick wall, so to speak, that would break lose and open a whole new direction of research that would not have been possible without these WFT volumes. Just my thoughts and opinions, Laura RNGADE57@midwest.net ICQ# 13006842 Home of the Sicilian Ancestry Web Ring http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/1535

To the List: Early on in this discussion, I stated that I use TMG (The Master Genealogist) because of the advanced capabilities of this program. However, I failed to mention that I have also downloaded the free PAF 4.0.3 version and use it for my One-name Family Databases that I am building: TOSH, FREELOVE, and "Macoupin Co., IL Families". I can create a Gedcom in PAF and import them to TMG at anytime. The purpose of my using both programs is that PAF takes up much less space than TMG. (I had downloaded PAF 4.0 and upgraded to the 4.0.3 recently and all went quite well. I also recently downloaded the new PAF 4.0 Manual.) I find the PAF 4.0.3 to be similar to TMG in many ways. However, the flexibility of TMG is still far superior. I personally do not like the concept of FTM (Family Tree Maker) in that they "take our Family Trees and sell them back to us." If they would offer a discount (no matter how small) after submitting information to them, I would have been inclined to have given more consideration to FTM. For those just starting out in genealogical research, maybe this is not big deal, but I have been doing research 30 years. Sorry, but I just don't want my research sold. I will gladly share and have freely shared for the entire 30 years of doing genealogical research. In addition, I have seen so many errors in the FTM files that they are about as reliable as "Ancestral File" and the "IGI". And now with both the FTM and the LDS site opening up both of their forums to receiving Gedcoms, just how reliable are any of these? Linda Arnold

I have used the FTW for sometime, but have used the L.D.S. program for many many years. I can tell you with all of my heart in most ways L.D.S. program is superior to any except it does not make those beautiful print outs of so many types of reports as FTW. L.D.S. has a better way of controling the in put of data by not allowing any one to change the data or other information by mistake. A child could destroy your invormation if allowed to enter your FTW program. The control is excellent. I can also use the same back up disc over and over again. The FTW program will not write over a disc with any previous data written therefore I have a pile of backup disc that can only be used one time. L.D.S. will write over the same data on a disc many times. I have called Salt Lake City many times asking them to update their program to be able to build and print the many various types of reports like FTW. They have updated their program to Windows 95. I feel they will one day update their program to make the same many various reports as FTW when they do I will transfer my program back to L.D.S. I have many FTW CD'S and have found as many other people have found that my computer has trouble reading FTW CD'S therefore sends strange error messages. I have no trouble with other CD'S. These CD'S are new and not dirty. L.D.S. always supplies a high quality of product because they are not in the business of making money, but provide their services in the name of family love. If they ever change their program to one similiar to FTW I can assure you it will be far superior at a cost next to nothing. I hope someone at L.D.S. who is in charge of making these kinds of decisions reads this and hears my plea and starts to work on this project tomorrow. With regards Jo Ann

----- Original Message ----- From: Bill McCallum To: Clan McCallum Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 6:18 PM Subject: Genealogy Software Hello Everyone, Thanks to everyone who was kind enough to comment on their recommendation and the genealogy software best for them. I am sure everyone has different expectations hence different reasons for making their choices. Anyway, thought you would all like to know the outcome for whatever it may be worth. It sure helped me. Out of 27 comments, the results are as follows: (1) Family Tree Maker (of one sort or another) with 12 recommendations. (2) (Tie) Family Origins and PAF had 4 recommendations each. (3) Master Genealogist with 3 recommendations. (4) Ultimate Family Tree with 2 recommendations (5) (tie) Generations and Brothers Keeper with 1 each. Many persons commented on how easy FTM is to use and how it is updated frequently and how good the print outs looked. Probably FTM is also the most available and is marketed very well. Let me end with this. Has anyone heard of Family Tree Journal (version 12)? Comment if you have. Bill Bill McCallum wmccallum@skantech.com