Here is some great information on Joseph Borough....an early Macoupin County settler and a signer of the first Illinois State Constitution. This information is from James Edstrom....who has help me take my search to another level with this information. Joseph Borough is my 4great-grandfather. Perchance is anyone else related to this line?? Joseph Borough-Outline of biographic information Born between 1780 and 1790 (location unknown). Deduced from age (40-50) in census of 1830. Was a Private in the Mounted Riflemen, Aug. 22-Nov. 13, 1812. (Stevens, Frank E. "Illinois in the War of 1812-1814." Transactions of the Illinois State Historical Society. 9 (1904):182.) Became a 1st Lieutenant in a company of Rangers, May 4, 1813. (Ibid., 189). Married Sally Shepherd in Madison County, Illinois on September 11, 1816. (Shelley, Jane, and Wasser, Elsie M. Madison County Illinois Marriage Records Index: 1813-1850, Volume One. Edwardsville, Ill.: Jane Shelley and Elsie M. Wasser, 1984.) In 1818, Joseph Borough is listed as a free white male over 21 in a household with 5 other white inhabitants. (Norton, Margaret Cross, ed. Illinois Census Returns: 1810, 1818. Collections of the Illinois State Historical Library, vol. 24. Springfield, Ill.: Illinois State Historical Library, c1935):136) On January 13, 1818, Borough was appointed a commissioner to take the census in Madison County, Illinois. ("Executive Register for the Illinois Territory Commencing the 25th Day of April, 1809." The Territorial Records of Illinois. Publications of the Illinois State Historical Library, no. 3. (Springfield, Ill.: Phillips Bros., 1901): 54). Borough was elected Representative for Madison County to the 2nd State Legislature, 1818-1820. Carpenter, Richard V. "Introduction." Journal of the Illinois State Historical Society. 6, no. 3 (October 1913):331). In 1819, Borough became a stockholder in the Bank of Edwardsville in Edwardsville, Illinois. ("Name index to early Illinois records." Illinois State Archives, Springfield, Illinois.) In the census of 1820, Joseph Borough is listed as a free white male 21 or older with 3 other white inhabitants. (Norton, Margaret Cross, ed. Illinois Census Returns 1820. Collections of the Illinois State Historical Library, vol. 26. (Springfield, Ill.: Illinois State Historical Library, c1934):150. On July 18, 1820, Joseph Borough announced his candidacy for the General Assembly from Madison County. ("To the People of Illinois" Edwardsville Spectator, 1 March 1823, 1:1-4.) He was elected on August 7, 1820. (Pease, Theodore Calvin, ed. Illinois Election Returns. Collections of the Illinois State Historical Library, vol. 18. Springfield, Ill.: Illinois State Historical Library, 1923. On February 18, 1821, Borough married Peggy Shephard in Madison County, Illinois. (Shelley, Jane, and Wasser, Elsie M. Madison County Illinois Marriage Records Index: 1813-1850, Volume One. Edwardsville, Ill.: Jane Shelley and Elsie M. Wasser, 1984.) On 5 Aug 1822, Borough ran for election to the State Senate from Madison County, unsuccessfully, losing to Theophilus W. Smith. (Pease, ed., 198). In 1823, Borough was a Commissioner to lay out a road from Vandalia to Illinois Town. ("Name index to early Illinois records." Illinois State Archives, Springfield, Illinois.) During 1828-1829, Borough was elected a probate judge and nominated for county surveyor in Macoupin County, Illinois. ("Name index to early Illinois records." Illinois State Archives, Springfield, Illinois.) In 1829, Borough was paid $17.50 for surveying Carlinville, Macoupin County, Illinois. (Inventory of the County Archives of Illinois. No. 56. Macoupin County (Carlinville). (Chicago: The Historical Records Survey, 1939), 8.) In March 1829, Borough was appointed a commissioner to decide the Macoupin County seat. Ibid., p. 6. Borough was Senator representing Macoupin County during the 10th and 11th General Assemblies in the 1830s. (Carpenter, Richard V. "Introduction." Journal of the Illinois State Historical Society. 6, no. 3 (October 1913):331. In 1830, Borough was listed in the federal census as living in Macoupin County, Illinois. His age was listed as 40-50. ("Name index to early Illinois records." Illinois State Archives, Springfield, Illinois.) On 2 Aug 1830, Joseph Borough ran for Representative to the legislature from Greene, Calhoun, and Macoupin Counties, Illinois. He came in last in a field of seven. (Pease, ed., 250). In 1831, Borough was a commissioner to relocate part of the Vandalia-Carrollton Road. ("Name index to early Illinois records." Illinois State Archives, Springfield, Illinois.) On March 9, 1831, Borough purchased 80 acres located at Sec. 29, Twp. 10N, R6W, in Macoupin County, Illinois. He listed his residence as Macoupin County. (Macoupin County, Illinois, Original Purchasers of Land. (St. Louis, Mo.: Littleton P. Bradley, 1985), 16. On August 6, 1832, Joseph Borough won election as Representative to the 8th Illinois General Assembly for Macoupin County. (Pease, ed., 258). On March 9, 1833, Borough purchased 80 acres of land located at Sec. 10, Twp. 10N, R6W, Macoupin County, Illinois. His residence was listed as Macoupin County. Two days later he purchased an additional 40 acres of land located in Sec. 29, Twp. 10N, R6W, Macoupin County, Illinois. (Macoupin County, Illinois, Original Purchasers of Land. (St. Louis, Mo.: Littleton P. Bradley, 1985), 16. On August 4, 1834, Joseph Borough ran for the State Senate from Bond, Macoupin, and Montgomery Counties, Illinois. He came in third in a field of five. (Pease, ed., 266). On November 3, 1834, Borough purchased an additional 40 acres of land located at Sec. 36, Twp. 10, R7W, Macoupin County, Illinois. His residence was again listed at Macoupin County. (Macoupin County, Illinois, Original Purchasers of Land. (St. Louis, Mo.: Littleton P. Bradley, 1985), 16). On August 1, 1836, Joseph Borough was elected to the State Senate (10th General Assembly) from Madison County on the Democratic ticket. (Pease, ed., 285). In 1838, Borough was re-elected to the State Senate (11th General Assembly) from Macoupin County. (Illinois. General Assembly. Senate. Journal. 11th General Assembly, 1st sess., 1838), 3. In 1840, Joseph Borough was listed as head of a household of eleven people in Macoupin County, Illinois. (Sherman, Sharron K. 1840 United States Census of Macoupin County, Illinois (Taylorville, Ill.: Sharron K. Sherman, 1984), 22. On August 3rd, 1840, Borough lost his bid for re-election to the State Senate representing Macoupin County, Illinois. He was defeated by a Democratic candidate. (Pease, ed., 333). On October 16, 1847, Borough purchased 80 acres of land located at Sec. 5, Twp. 10N, R7W, Macoupin County, Illinois. His residence was listed as Macoupin County. (Macoupin County, Illinois, Original Purchasers of Land (St. Louis, Mo.: Littleton P. Bradley, 1985), 16). Joseph Borough's name does not appear in the 1850 census for Macoupin County; therefore, it seems likely that he passed away sometime between 1847 and 1850. >>> <ILMACOUP-D-request@rootsweb.com> 12/28/99 05:21PM >>>

Please check out the new Macoupin County Queries for November and December at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/queries/qryindex.htm New queries have been added and you may find a new cousin. Kathie Mirabella

Kathy, I use the Norton and like it very much. You could probably get internet service for the price of the CD monthly. My Norton Anti-vius is set so it connects automatically to the internet several times a week, downloads the update, installs, and runs it. whenever I get nervous, I just download an update myself. Sure beats worrying about all these viruses and hoaxes. nancy _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Kathie, While I may not have definitive solutions, here are some ideas... I am not familiar with the Norton product as I use McAfee's anti-virus product. But it is very important to note that anti-virus software is constantly being updated due to new viruses that are always showing up. If Norton is like McAfee, there are updates that are downloadable from their web site for registered users on a regular basis. I took a quick look at their web page (www.norton.com) and it appears that they make regular software updates available for downloading. From what I saw, she is entitled to get either 6 months or 1 year of free updates depending on the version of their software she purchased. After that, the cost is only $3.95 per year to continue to be able to get the updates. If Judy complies with whatever Norton's requirements are, does she know anyone else with internet access who also uses Norton who could send her the updates as an e-mail attachment? She could then save the attachment to her computer and update her software. Sure beats paying them to mail you a CD each month! As for the strange dates, has she tested her computer system itself to be sure it is Y2K ready? There are software products available that can test the system bios and firmware capabilities of your PC. She might also want to check the date and time settings for her machine through the control panel. Hope at least some of this makes sense and might be helpful. Merry Christmas Everyone! Charlie Neff ----- Original Message ----- From: KathieMir@aol.com To: ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 9:05 AM Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Re: Needs help with virus checker! Can someone help Judy? Kathie Mirabella In a message dated 12/23/99 3:57:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, jdwhisler@juno.com writes: > Subj: Re: Needs help with virus checker! > Date: 12/23/99 3:57:38 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: jdwhisler@juno.com (Judy D Whisler) > To: KathieMir@aol.com > > Hi: > > Thank you for reply. > > I have a 486 DX4 with 120 processing clock speed > 16 mb ram > 1.2 gb hard drive > CD rom > windows 95 plus > > I copied this from a note my neighbor gave me when he updated my old 286. > > I bought Norton anti virus checker in August and installed it on my PC. > Every week it updates. But yesterday I called Norton company and they > said that since I don't have Internet service it is not doing me any > good. The software I bought in August only was good for that time frame. > They said I only have two options. > > 1. Get Internet service. > or > 2. Pay them 9.95 a month to get a new CD with the newest virus > information. > > Does this sound reasonable? > > Other problem I called them about is that last week a Norton screen came > on and said your next scheduled update is for January 4, 1980. Looks > like my software is not y2k ready either. > > I'm so very confused. > > Any suggestions outside of what Norton told me would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Judy > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== Difference between ILMACOUP-L and ILMACOUP-D: ILMACOUP-L mailing list allows you to receive every posting made to ILMACOUP as a separate email. ILMACOUP-D mailing list allows you to receive several postings as a single large message.

Can someone help Judy? Kathie Mirabella In a message dated 12/23/99 3:57:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, jdwhisler@juno.com writes: > Subj: Re: Needs help with virus checker! > Date: 12/23/99 3:57:38 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: jdwhisler@juno.com (Judy D Whisler) > To: KathieMir@aol.com > > Hi: > > Thank you for reply. > > I have a 486 DX4 with 120 processing clock speed > 16 mb ram > 1.2 gb hard drive > CD rom > windows 95 plus > > I copied this from a note my neighbor gave me when he updated my old 286. > > I bought Norton anti virus checker in August and installed it on my PC. > Every week it updates. But yesterday I called Norton company and they > said that since I don't have Internet service it is not doing me any > good. The software I bought in August only was good for that time frame. > They said I only have two options. > > 1. Get Internet service. > or > 2. Pay them 9.95 a month to get a new CD with the newest virus > information. > > Does this sound reasonable? > > Other problem I called them about is that last week a Norton screen came > on and said your next scheduled update is for January 4, 1980. Looks > like my software is not y2k ready either. > > I'm so very confused. > > Any suggestions outside of what Norton told me would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Judy >

I am on the digest mode. Each of the messages on each digest I receive shows up as an 'envelope' at the bottom of the screen and must be clicked on before I can view it. I have Outlook Express, Earthlink.net. We also have a Virus checker that we update. 1. How do I "check each disk you put in your A or B drive"? 2. How do I "run file through virus checker before opening"? Sorry I'm not up on these things. Merry Christmas to all in my "Home State of Illinois" and All over the World! Thanks, Joanne in CA ----------------- >>4. Run your virus checker against ALL files on your PC. Do this once a >month. Also check each disk you put in your A or B drive. > >5. DO NOT download or open any attachments from anyone you do not know. >Erase immediately. If you know the person, run file through virus checked >before opening.

First, thanks for passing on such good information and warnings. Sometimes we need constant reminders to do what we know should be done. One thing that could be added to this message, especially for these new users. Good email normally shows up right on the screen. You can READ the information without even opening it. You can RESPOND without opening it. You can DELETE it without opening it. Just because it is on the screen you don't have to be afraid of it. IT IS ONLY ATTACHMENTS and OPEN THIS TO READ that will get you into trouble, so know the sender and know what they are sending. Your friends and family will do it right........ AND YES, BACK UP EVERYTHING!!!! But that goes for every day! Good luck to all of us with Y2K. Holiday blessings to all. Judy C.

Hi, I would like to warn everyone that a few people will wish others Happy Holidays with a virus for their PC. You may want to take some of the following steps. 1. Copy all important files to disk. Make one copy for home and another to keep at work or friends house. Please do this today. Contact me if you would like to know the importance of this step. 2. If you have a virus checker (Norton Utilities, etc.) PLEASE update the virus list today. 3. If you do not have a virus checker PLEASE give yourself a present and purchase one today or tomorrow. DO NOT wait. You may want to update your current virus software. A $40 investment may save you $100's in PC damage or lost files. 4. Run your virus checker against ALL files on your PC. Do this once a month. Also check each disk you put in your A or B drive. 5. DO NOT download or open any attachments from anyone you do not know. Erase immediately. If you know the person, run file through virus checked before opening. 6. DO NOT download or open any attachments from this mail list. No one should be sending attachments on this list. If you have information you want to share, first send information to the list and wait for someone to respond. I have never had any problems with anyone on the list. We all want to receive and share information. Please let us know what information you have and what information you are looking for. I realize some of you are still learning how to operate your PC. Do not be embarrassed to ask: how to copy files to disk, run your virus checker, etc. We all were new at one time. Myself or someone on the list will be able to walk you through the steps. There are no dumb questions. There will be little glitches caused by computers. You may get a bill that has a year of 1900 or like my mother-in-law, one with year of 900. The gas and electric company where I worked just sent 250,000 customers bills stating their next meter reading date is December 1, 2000. This problem had nothing to do with Y2K. It was caused by the new billing software not knowing what to do when a gas meter was read twice in one month (meters were read twice in November). Problem was fixed in 2 hours. Of course, the media came running looking for a Y2K story. Major TV stations and newspapers have a room in our office building on New Year's Eve waiting for something to go wrong. The media is looking for stories and they all want to be first to report a problem - don't let them scare you. Remember our ancestors went from 1899 to 1900 with no problems. They had no TV's, radios, PC's, video games or running water and they all survived. Our descendants on December 31, 2999, will wonder how we made it. Maybe on January 1, 2000, is a good time to write a story for you 12th great grandson about what you did on New Year's Eve, December 31, 1999. Happy Hunting, Kathie Mirabella Macoupin County, IL Mail List Manager

> A Genealogist's Christmas Eve > > 'Twas the night before Christmas when all through the house > Not a creature was stirring, not even my spouse. > The dining room table with clutter was spread > With pedigree charts and with letters which said... > "Too bad about the data for which you wrote > Sank in a storm on an ill fated boat." > > Stacks of old copies of wills and the such > Were proof that my work had become much too much. > Our children were nestled all snug in their beds, > While visions of sugarplums danced in their heads. > And I at my table was ready to drop > From work on my album with photos to crop. > > Christmas was here, and of such was my lot > That presents and goodies and toys I forgot. > Had I not been so busy with grandparent's wills, > I'd not have forgotten to shop for such thrills. > While others had bought gifts that would bring Christmas cheer; > I'd spent time researching those birth dates and years. > > While I was thus musing about my sad plight, > A strange noise on the lawn gave me such a great fright. > Away to the window I flew in a flash, > Tore open the drapes and I yanked up the sash. > When what to my wondering eyes should appear? > But an overstuffed sleigh and eight small reindeer. > > Up to the housetop the reindeer they flew, > With a sleigh full of toys, and old Santa Claus too. > And then in a twinkle, I heard on the roof > The prancing and pawing of thirty-two hoofs. > The TV antenna was no match for their horns, > And look at our roof with hoof-prints adorned. > > As I drew in my head, and bumped it on the sash, > Down the cold chimney fell Santa - KER-RASH! > "Dear" Santa had come from the roof in a wreck, > And tracked soot on the carpet, (I could wring his short neck!) > Spotting my face, good old Santa could see > I had no Christmas spirit, you'd have to agree. > > He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work > And filled all the stockings, (I felt like a jerk). > Here was Santa, who'd brought us such gladness and joy; > When I'd been too busy for even one toy. > He spied my research on the table all spread > "A genealogist!" He cried! (My face was all red!) > > "Tonight I've met many like you", Santa grinned. > As he pulled from his sack a large book he had penned. > I gazed with amazement - the cover it read > "Genealogy Lines for Which You Have Plead." > "I know what it's like as a genealogy bug," > He said as he gave me a great Santa Hug. > > "While the elves make the sleighful of toys I now carry, > I do some research in the North Pole Library! > A special treat I am thus able to bring, > To genealogy folks who can't find a thing. > Now off you go to your bed for a rest, > I'll clean up the house from this genealogy mess." > > As I climbed up the stairs full of gladness and glee, > I looked back at Santa who'd brought much to me. > While settling in bed, I heard Santa's clear whistle, > To his team which then rose like the down of a thistle > And I heard him exclaim as he flew out of sight, > "Family History is Fun! Merry Christmas! Goodnight!" > > [author unknown] -- Debi Fort Myers, FL df620@gate.net - - - - - - - - Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to one and all Be safe

I know this isn't on the subject, but I received the following message from my internet server and from my understanding if you have the virus it replys to EVERYONE in your address book. I am sure I don't have the virus, but since the roots lists that receive this message are in my address book I thought I should forward it on. PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE AND MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE THE VIRUS. Martha Adcock ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Foreman <mforeman@pnx.com> To: <pnxusers@pnx.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 8:14 PM Subject: PLEASE READ THIS... I know of at least 100 users who are infected with this virus > MASS MAILED TO ALL PNX CUSTOMERS > > PLEASE READ THIS, THERE ARE AT LEAST 100 OF YOU ALREADY INFECTED > > I had decided to not announce each new 'virii' as it comes out via mass mail > due to the fact that most of our customer base are running virus scanners or > are practicing 'safe netting'. However there is a new virus out that has > proven to me that at least 100 of our customers are infected already. > > This new virus, called W32/NewApt.worm (read the full description at > http://vil.nai.com/vil/wm10475.asp) is sent as an attachment to a message > that has the following text in it: > > excerpt from the virus message: > ----------- > http://stuart.messagemates.com/index.html > > Hypercool Happy New Year 2000 funny programs and animations... > > We attached our recent animation from this site in our mail ! Check it out > ---------- > end excerpt > > As usual, there is an executable file (EXE file) attached to the message. > Once you run the EXE file, you're infected. Every message that is in your > INBOX will be replied to and the virus will be sent to the 'replyee'. This > is how i know 100 of you (at least) are infected. My mass mail messages > were probably still in your inbox when you infected yourself, that's why > I've received hundreds of virus attempts to my mailbox. (note I have not ran > one single one of them) > > As you can guess, if all the people you send the virus to open the virus > file and thus then send to everyone in their inbox the virus, etc... the > virus will spread very quickly. > > So what do you do if you are infected? > > 1. Get the very latest virus updates from your virus scanner vendor. This > virus is only 1 week old so if you haven't updated in the last 7 days, you > ARE NOT PROTECTED. If you do not know how to do this, see option 2. > > 2. Bring your computer to us and we'll do it for you. We will charge you > for it, but we'll make you safe. > > I must reiterate what I have always preached. DO NOT, EVER, run an > attachment that was sent to you unless you verify that the person sending it > to you knows what they are doing and that it's not a virus. Verify that > they meant to send it to you. NEVER, NEVER run an attachment without a > viruscanner installed, even if the person says it's safe. > > If you do not have a virus scanner installed, you are playing with fire. We > STRONGLY suggest you purchase and install one, or bring your computer to us > to install one for you. > > Thank you, > Mark Foreman > mforeman@pnx.com > > > > > > > > > >

On one of my collateral lines, that of Morse Sterling (d. 1865, Girard), one of Morse's granddaughters, Jessie Sterling, married James L. Rives (license 26 Jan 1893, Macoupin Co.). James' parents are given as George W. Rives and Jennie Deal. James was 29 years old, born Barr Store, and was of Hettick, a merchant. It was his 2nd marriage. Jessie was 21, born North Palmyra, daughter of Myron B. Sterling and Margaret Ramsey, and was of Hettick. They were married 1 Feb 1893 at Mr. M. B. Sterling's by W. A. Wright, witnesses William S. Jones and Hallie F. Mason. Hope this helps. There are perhaps 10 Rives in the current phone book, most in Carlinville, and perhaps 15 Reeves in several different towns - Carlinville, Hillsboro, Litchfield, Donnellson. Linda K. tonky@ctnet.net

Speaking of pronunciation problems, maybe you all could help with this one. I am researching my husband's ancestry, that of the RIVES family from Macoupin County. After visiting Carlinville a couple of months ago, I learned that "Rives" is pronounced as "Reeves" in Macoupin Co. Perhaps that explains in part why I have found no less than 9 spellings for the name of our ancestors, including Rees, Reese, Rieves, Reeves, Reaves, Ryvce, and Ryves. This makes for a difficult time of researching, not knowing quite which name to look for. This family was in Macoupin Co. from about 1836 to roughly 1866. As far as I know, Rees/Reese was the going name then until they moved to MO. They lived in Barr Twp. and may have crossed over into Greene Co. as well. My husband's great grandfather, Job Rives, was born in Macoupin Co. Oct. 1850 and was apparently adopted or taken in by George and Elizabeth Liles/Lisle prior to 1855. Elizabeth was a Rees, dau. of Jacob and Hannah Rees of VA. Any information you might have on this family is greatly appreciated. There are at least a few of us trying to find answers on this one. Sincerely, Susan Rives (pronounced Rives <g>) Researching Rives/Reeves/Rees, etc., and Liles/Lisle of Macoupin Co.

Hi all, I have updated my website by adding more people, notes and surnames. Please check this out by going to: http://people.ce.mediaone.net/backster/family.html Any questions or comments, please email me. thanks julie

The tank was a place outside of Virden were everyone went to swimm, a small pond , called that because its where the trains used to get water. Thats the only place I can think of- Many people used to take families and picnics out there. Rindy >Now for the serious side of the matter! :) Been hearing for about 30 odd >years about a place called "Jack Tank". What in the world is it? When I ask >in-laws just say a place we used to go to. Think it is in Virden, but not >sure!! Sounds like a tavern to me but they surely wouldn't have taken their >kids there! Been all over Thayer >grin< and haven't heard anyone say there >it is or was. Any clues from you Macoupinites? >Hazel > Lyle & Rindy Fuchs 304 Missouri Ave Carterville, IL 62918-1810

In the book, "The Clevengers of Macoupin County, Illinois" the author, Marjorie (De Meyer) Clevenger writes about the Origin of the name Macoupin: "The word Macoupin comes originally from a French word, 'macopine' which attempted to duplicate the sound of an Indian word for a favorite Illinois Indian food plant...etc. "that the name Macoupin is of Indian origin and is abrreviated from Macoupina which signified in their tongue, white potato." She goes on to give her thoughts of the origin of the name Macoupin: "I think that originally the Macoupin was not this plant. .. An early French map by Franquelin, dated 1684, shows the Illinois River called Riviere Illinois ou Riviere des Macopins." "Later maps hsow the name Macopine given to what is probably Spoon River, and finally, a French map made in 1744 shows for the first time our creek named Riviere des Macopines. These maps are in the collection compiled by Tucker for the Illinois State Museum. At any rate, I sure am glad to know how to properly pronounce the name of Macoupin...so, if I stumble over it and call it Magoopin or Macoopin I'll be correct either way because I have ancesters from Macoupin County from the northern townships as well as the southern townships. Just wish I could link them to earlier families before they arrived in Illinois before it was Macoupin County. Linda Arnold Researching LAIR, CRAYS and TOSH Families of Macoupin County. lara93@gateway.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann McReynolds" <ARMcR@mcreynoldsappraisal.com> To: <ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 10:16 AM Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Mah-goo-pan? > I've been following this dialogue off and on with some interest, and wonder if anyone knows WHO > Macoupin was? Looks like it could have been French, rather than Celtic (as in McCoupin). If > so.....it likely was originally pronounced Mah-coo-pan' (with just the beginning sound of the "N"). > AND, it might even originally had a hard "G" in the middle, which was lost entirely to many of the > non-French speakers. We have a bunch of French names here in St. Louis that have been "Germanized" > into the strangest sounds you can imagine. However, nothing can top Courtois Creek, about 100 miles > SW of St. Louis, which is now called "Coat'-a-way" by everyone. It's a real stretch to get from > Coor-twah' to Coat'-a-way, but it happened! > Ann McReynolds, > St. Louis > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Check out Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763-1900: > http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/marriage > >

Hello all- Mah-coo-pan is the way I have always said it with just a little hint of the a-I was born and lived there for 27 years. I was always told and one of the tellers was an orthographer(some one who teaches word meaning) that it was a derivative of an Indian spelling or word. Dont know how true that is but it always worked for me. :) Rindy Dunn Fuchs Lyle & Rindy Fuchs 304 Missouri Ave Carterville, IL 62918-1810

Bill from Virden again I always heard that Macoupin County was from an Indian word. Any more info on this? Bill in New Orleans On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Larry Clark wrote: > Greetings all! > > I think Macoupin refers to a plant found along the present Macoupin Creek > and is an adaptation of an Indian word. > > One thing all of us Macoupin County researchers should be thankful for is: > There is only one place, name, etc in the whole world that refers us to > Macoupin County in an internet search. Very useful in narrowing down "hits" > on the search. > > It could be a lot worse and we could have to search for: Smith relatives > in Washington County. > > Happy Holidays to all. > > My family always pronounced it as Mah Coop in. > > Larry Clark > > formerly of Gillespie, Illinois > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ann McReynolds <ARMcR@mcreynoldsappraisal.com> > To: <ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 1:16 PM > Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Mah-goo-pan? > > > > I've been following this dialogue off and on with some interest, and > wonder if anyone knows WHO > > Macoupin was? Looks like it could have been French, rather than Celtic (as > in McCoupin). If > > so.....it likely was originally pronounced Mah-coo-pan' (with just the > beginning sound of the "N"). > > AND, it might even originally had a hard "G" in the middle, which was lost > entirely to many of the > > non-French speakers. We have a bunch of French names here in St. Louis > that have been "Germanized" > > into the strangest sounds you can imagine. However, nothing can top > Courtois Creek, about 100 miles > > SW of St. Louis, which is now called "Coat'-a-way" by everyone. It's a > real stretch to get from > > Coor-twah' to Coat'-a-way, but it happened! > > Ann McReynolds, > > St. Louis > > > > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > > Check out Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763-1900: > > http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/marriage > > > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > To post a message so everyone on ILMACOUP-L or ILMACOUP-D receives it, send the message to: > ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com > It will then be sent on to everyone in both ILMACOUP-L or ILMACOUP-D. > >

Greetings all! I think Macoupin refers to a plant found along the present Macoupin Creek and is an adaptation of an Indian word. One thing all of us Macoupin County researchers should be thankful for is: There is only one place, name, etc in the whole world that refers us to Macoupin County in an internet search. Very useful in narrowing down "hits" on the search. It could be a lot worse and we could have to search for: Smith relatives in Washington County. Happy Holidays to all. My family always pronounced it as Mah Coop in. Larry Clark formerly of Gillespie, Illinois ----- Original Message ----- From: Ann McReynolds <ARMcR@mcreynoldsappraisal.com> To: <ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 1:16 PM Subject: [ILMACOUP-L] Mah-goo-pan? > I've been following this dialogue off and on with some interest, and wonder if anyone knows WHO > Macoupin was? Looks like it could have been French, rather than Celtic (as in McCoupin). If > so.....it likely was originally pronounced Mah-coo-pan' (with just the beginning sound of the "N"). > AND, it might even originally had a hard "G" in the middle, which was lost entirely to many of the > non-French speakers. We have a bunch of French names here in St. Louis that have been "Germanized" > into the strangest sounds you can imagine. However, nothing can top Courtois Creek, about 100 miles > SW of St. Louis, which is now called "Coat'-a-way" by everyone. It's a real stretch to get from > Coor-twah' to Coat'-a-way, but it happened! > Ann McReynolds, > St. Louis > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Check out Illinois Statewide Marriage Index, 1763-1900: > http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/marriage >

I've been following this dialogue off and on with some interest, and wonder if anyone knows WHO Macoupin was? Looks like it could have been French, rather than Celtic (as in McCoupin). If so.....it likely was originally pronounced Mah-coo-pan' (with just the beginning sound of the "N"). AND, it might even originally had a hard "G" in the middle, which was lost entirely to many of the non-French speakers. We have a bunch of French names here in St. Louis that have been "Germanized" into the strangest sounds you can imagine. However, nothing can top Courtois Creek, about 100 miles SW of St. Louis, which is now called "Coat'-a-way" by everyone. It's a real stretch to get from Coor-twah' to Coat'-a-way, but it happened! Ann McReynolds, St. Louis

Mary Ann is correct...... Headache or Hettick, both will work. At times it was a headache when you did not get your mail. But we always knew where it was as it was invariably sent to Herrick, Illinois in Shelby Co. in the days before zip codes. Of course, that could come in handy when the mail turned out to be a bill. Jere Braden, a former Hettick village council member, volunteer fireman, renegade and escapee. Merry Christmas, all! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Ann Kaylor <makaylor@npwt.net> To: <ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [ILMACOUP-L] Pro-nun-c-a-tion > How about "Head ache" or "Shin Bone"? My nativity sight, only way out in > the sticks on my Grandpa Converse's farm??? Give > up??? Hettick...........in S. Palmyra Twp., edge of Barr Twp. Jere > Braden will back me on this one and maybe come up with another version or > two?? > > Mary Ann > > At 10:46 PM 12/16/1999 -0600, you wrote: > >At 02:49 AM 12/16/1999 -0000, you wrote: > > >My votes with Bill !! My in-laws from Thayer. > > >But we must remember that there were alot of people in that area from > > >different parts of the world. But we could go to Thayer, There, > >Where!! > > >>grin< or to > > >Nil-wood or Nail-wood :) And we mustn't forget Low-wam-i, Loo-am-i, > > >La-wam-ee > > >Hazel from De-cat-or, Deck-a-tour or Stinky Town >big grin< > > >Merry Christmas to all !! > > > >Now, don't go touchin' Nile Wood!! I was raised on the wrong side > >of the tracks there and it was Nil Wood meaning "no wood" by steam > >train engineers who wouldn't stop because there was no wood to take > >aboard, so the story goes. > > > >Merry Christmas to you, too, Hazel, and everyone else on the list. > > > >Gloria > > > > > > > > > > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > >Macoupin County IL Township Information: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_towns.htm > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > To post a message so everyone on ILMACOUP-L or ILMACOUP-D receives it, send the message to: > ILMACOUP-L@rootsweb.com > It will then be sent on to everyone in both ILMACOUP-L or ILMACOUP-D. >