In a message dated 7/11/2006 1:00:56 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: From: "Rick" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Burial of John Tatch...possibly in Litchfield? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry to say but my memory failed I checked the cemetery found a lot of recently broken stones no Tatch went to library and searched the listings for Crabtree & Elmwood cemeteries did not find anything there either. Rick ========== Thank you Rick! Being a few thousand miles away, I appreciate your help very much. And you went to the library too! Wow! I can't wish for more than that! Thanks so much for checking for me. Marianne Way out West

Sorry to say but my memory failed I checked the cemetery found a lot of recently broken stones no Tatch went to library and searched the listings for Crabtree & Elmwood cemeteries did not find anything there either. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Burial of John Tatch...possibly in Litchfield? > Not sure if this will help any but I seem to remember seeing many of > those surnames in Crabtree cemetery which is in South Litchfield Township > Montgomery county I'll be out that way later today and will see if I > can find anything more. > Rick -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

In a message dated 7/10/2006 9:00:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: X-Message: #9 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 22:24:58 -0500 From: "Chuck & Cindy Leonard" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Burials/ Civil War or own farm land Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When a local mowing service, hired to mow our City Cemetery (the oldest one in Staunton), came to the city council and wanted to take all the broken tombstones and dispose of them, our society members gathered and sent a letter to the city council objecting to this and to make a long story short, the State Historical Preservation Association told us to contact them immediately if we saw any indications of stones being removed and they would send State Police to stop the removal. It didn't come to that, but as usual, yours truly wound up on the reorganized City Cemetery Association and the broken stones were repaired; my children walked the creek bed in search of stones that may have been thrown down there but that search proved to be cement borders that were removed from around grave plots. My husband made a "probe" for me to use in the oldest section and we found numerous original stones that had been broken over the years and covered by dirt. They were repaired and re-set (we kept them close to the original spot they were found) - the original plot listing of burials was long gone and believe me, our group did some hard searching. Of course, if anyone finds the records, it would be great to have them..... Gosh, thank you Cindy, for doing all that. I think I may have some ancestors in that graveyard. I certainly appreciate all the trouble you took with it. Carol Hunter Southwick

Mary I was somewhat incorrect about Mary relinguishing her rights to the children. She died relinguish any rights to her step-children Leticia and Amos, however, Henry remained with her for a time. He is in the household with Mary and Mr Sunderland in 1860 census but appears to be a Sunderland. Upon Daniel Pruitt's estate being settled sometime in 1857, Henry was then a ward of the court with W C Rhoads as his first guardian (1857-1861/2) to protect his inheritance share of Daniel's estate. Then in 1861/2 Alanson Osborn was appointed Henry's guardian and remained as such until Henry's death. Debbi Geer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Mary Mary did have a son by Daniel Pruitt. Henry was born abt 1854 and died in abt Aug 1866. Upon Daniel's death, Mary as per law at that time had to relinquish any claim to Henry and her two step-children Leticia and Amos Pruitt. They were placed as wards in families specified by the court. When Henry died, the funds that were due him had he been of age was $129.49 less $2 clerk fee and $7.86 which looks like due his guardian or was for interment. The remaining dollars were split between Mary (50% or $59.81) and his two half-siblings (25% each or $29.91 each). Henry was living with his paternal cousin Leticia Pruitt Osborn and her family. Leticia's husband Alanson Osborn was Henry's last guardian. Debbi Geer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I'm trying to find Mary E. Leonard's parents. She was born Feb. 26, 1834 in Kentucky. She married Daniel Pruitt (Pruitte) in 1853 Macoupin County and William Sunderland in 1855 Macoupin County. There are no children from the Puritt marriage(That I know of). I'm not sure if she was a widow or not. The Sunderland marriage had 4 to 7 children. I know of 4 children in the 1870 census in Normal IL. Soldier's Orphans Home when William died (1865). She is my brick wall. I haven't been able to find any of her family. I'm hoping to find some help here. Thanks Mary (Sunderland) Wallendorff

And my family and our committee learned a lot of history doing this. I never worried about my kids vandalizing a cemetery. They put too much hard work into reading the stones along with Mary McKenzie & Mr. Butcher one summer. The current cemetery association is very active and does a great job on keeping the cemetery cleaned and stones repaired. I just wish I had more time to walk and record more cemeteries. There are many people back here in Macoupin County who walk and record cemeteries. It is a long, tedious job, but every time you find a lost stone or a lost relative, it makes the work enjoyable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "G Frazier" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: Burials/ Civil War or own farm land > I agree. > > That is a lot of work. > > Thank you. > > Gloria > At 10:29 AM 7/10/2006, you wrote: > >Cindy, > > Just want to say thank you to you and your family for all of your > >hard work! > > > >Kim Kolk > >--------------------------------------- > >[email protected] > >Researching DEBEE, HAHNENKAMP, JANCO, KOLK, MAXWELL, PETRINI, > >POYNTER, WEISS > > > > > >On Jul 10, 2006, at 8:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > >>From: "Chuck & Cindy Leonard" <[email protected]> > >>Date: July 9, 2006 10:24:58 PM CDT > >>To: [email protected] > >>Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Burials/ Civil War or own farm land > >> > >> > >>When a local mowing service, hired to mow our City Cemetery (the > >>oldest one > >>in Staunton), came to the city council and wanted to take all the > >>broken > >>tombstones and dispose of them, our society members gathered and > >>sent a > >>letter to the city council objecting to this and to make a long > >>story short, > >>the State Historical Preservation Association told us to contact them > >>immediately if we saw any indications of stones being removed and > >>they would > >>send State Police to stop the removal. It didn't come to that, but as > >>usual, yours truly wound up on the reorganized City Cemetery > >>Association and > >>the broken stones were repaired; my children walked the creek bed > >>in search > >>of stones that may have been thrown down there but that search > >>proved to be > >>cement borders that were removed from around grave plots. My > >>husband made a > >>"probe" for me to use in the oldest section and we found numerous > >>original > >>stones that had been broken over the years and covered by dirt. > >>They were > >>repaired and re-set (we kept them close to the original spot they were > >>found) - the original plot listing of burials was long gone and > >>believe me, > >>our group did some hard searching. Of course, if anyone finds the > >>records, > >>it would be great to have them..... > > > > > > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > >To unsubscribe from [email protected], send a message to: > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command: > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but your software > > may require one. > > > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > To post a message so everyone on ILMACOUP-L or ILMACOUP-D receives it, send the message to: > [email protected] > It will then be sent on to everyone in both ILMACOUP-L or ILMACOUP-D. > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Just wanted to say how much I admire your association. All the help you give to others is unbelievable.. I have Illinois connections in Macoupin and Greene county as well in other parts of the country; however I do believe you give out more help than any others.

I second this praise and thanks! I don't think some of the others even have an overseer. Good Work! And never never think you efforts go unappreciated! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Underwood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: [ILMacoupin] Admiration > Just wanted to say how much I admire your association. All the help you > give to others is unbelievable.. I have Illinois connections in Macoupin > and Greene county as well in other parts of the country; however I do > believe you give out more help than any others. > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Macoupin County, IL Widows' Pension Files > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/widows.htm > >

I agree. That is a lot of work. Thank you. Gloria At 10:29 AM 7/10/2006, you wrote: >Cindy, > Just want to say thank you to you and your family for all of your >hard work! > >Kim Kolk >--------------------------------------- >[email protected] >Researching DEBEE, HAHNENKAMP, JANCO, KOLK, MAXWELL, PETRINI, >POYNTER, WEISS > > >On Jul 10, 2006, at 8:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >>From: "Chuck & Cindy Leonard" <[email protected]> >>Date: July 9, 2006 10:24:58 PM CDT >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Burials/ Civil War or own farm land >> >> >>When a local mowing service, hired to mow our City Cemetery (the >>oldest one >>in Staunton), came to the city council and wanted to take all the >>broken >>tombstones and dispose of them, our society members gathered and >>sent a >>letter to the city council objecting to this and to make a long >>story short, >>the State Historical Preservation Association told us to contact them >>immediately if we saw any indications of stones being removed and >>they would >>send State Police to stop the removal. It didn't come to that, but as >>usual, yours truly wound up on the reorganized City Cemetery >>Association and >>the broken stones were repaired; my children walked the creek bed >>in search >>of stones that may have been thrown down there but that search >>proved to be >>cement borders that were removed from around grave plots. My >>husband made a >>"probe" for me to use in the oldest section and we found numerous >>original >>stones that had been broken over the years and covered by dirt. >>They were >>repaired and re-set (we kept them close to the original spot they were >>found) - the original plot listing of burials was long gone and >>believe me, >>our group did some hard searching. Of course, if anyone finds the >>records, >>it would be great to have them..... > > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from [email protected], send a message to: > [email protected] > that contains in the body of the message the command: > unsubscribe > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but your software > may require one. >

Cindy, Just want to say thank you to you and your family for all of your hard work! Kim Kolk --------------------------------------- [email protected] Researching DEBEE, HAHNENKAMP, JANCO, KOLK, MAXWELL, PETRINI, POYNTER, WEISS On Jul 10, 2006, at 8:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > From: "Chuck & Cindy Leonard" <[email protected]> > Date: July 9, 2006 10:24:58 PM CDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Burials/ Civil War or own farm land > > > When a local mowing service, hired to mow our City Cemetery (the > oldest one > in Staunton), came to the city council and wanted to take all the > broken > tombstones and dispose of them, our society members gathered and > sent a > letter to the city council objecting to this and to make a long > story short, > the State Historical Preservation Association told us to contact them > immediately if we saw any indications of stones being removed and > they would > send State Police to stop the removal. It didn't come to that, but as > usual, yours truly wound up on the reorganized City Cemetery > Association and > the broken stones were repaired; my children walked the creek bed > in search > of stones that may have been thrown down there but that search > proved to be > cement borders that were removed from around grave plots. My > husband made a > "probe" for me to use in the oldest section and we found numerous > original > stones that had been broken over the years and covered by dirt. > They were > repaired and re-set (we kept them close to the original spot they were > found) - the original plot listing of burials was long gone and > believe me, > our group did some hard searching. Of course, if anyone finds the > records, > it would be great to have them.....

Not sure if this will help any but I seem to remember seeing many of those surnames in Crabtree cemetery which is in South Litchfield Township Montgomery county I'll be out that way later today and will see if I can find anything more. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:32 PM Subject: [ILMacoupin] Burial of John Tatch...possibly in Litchfield? > Thank you(!) to Cindy & Debbi for the feedback & their insight on > possible > burial places, and for letting me know that a burial on their own farm > land > was a possibility. > > I went back to review the Probate records for John Tatch, and found the > following 4 mentions of the burial... > > 1. "Litchfield Feb. 14, 1861 > Received of Wm. Whitehouse the sum of nineteen dollars in full for > bore [bier?] & Coffin for John N. Tatch. > [signed] Tilmun Shore*" > > *(Tilmun Shore was a hardware merchant in Litchfield per 1870 census.) > > > 2. "Litchfield, June 18, 1861 > > Received of Wm. Whitehouse, Adm. of the estate of John N Tatch, > Six dollars in full for lumber to fence the grave of Said Tatch. > [signed] Perley & Co. > By AAP* > > *(Andrew A Perley was a Lumber Dealer in Litchfield, per census.) > > 3. "Sept 16, 1861 > > Amt paid of Grave Stones $28.35" > > (It says "stones" so I wonder if he needed more than one...? This > sounds > like a lot of money in 1860, don't you think? At least I know it wasn't > marked with a wood marker.) > > 4. October 17, 1861 > > Received of William H Whitehouse Administrator of the Estate of John N. > Tatch deceased, $4.30 for making a grave fence. > [signed] Henry Davis > > Now I'm wondering...does this sound like he could be buried in > Litchfield, Montgomery County instead of Macoupin County? All the > supplies seem to > have been bought in Litchfield, but then maybe that was the largest > supplier in > the area for cemetery items & lumber supplies. Was Litchfield a major > supplier for the area back in 1860? > > Thanks for any thoughts on this one. > > Marianne > in CA > > > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Illinois State Archives Databases > http://www2.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/databases.html > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Thank you(!) to Cindy & Debbi for the feedback & their insight on possible burial places, and for letting me know that a burial on their own farm land was a possibility. I went back to review the Probate records for John Tatch, and found the following 4 mentions of the burial... 1. "Litchfield Feb. 14, 1861 Received of Wm. Whitehouse the sum of nineteen dollars in full for bore [bier?] & Coffin for John N. Tatch. [signed] Tilmun Shore*" *(Tilmun Shore was a hardware merchant in Litchfield per 1870 census.) 2. "Litchfield, June 18, 1861 Received of Wm. Whitehouse, Adm. of the estate of John N Tatch, Six dollars in full for lumber to fence the grave of Said Tatch. [signed] Perley & Co. By AAP* *(Andrew A Perley was a Lumber Dealer in Litchfield, per census.) 3. "Sept 16, 1861 Amt paid of Grave Stones $28.35" (It says "stones" so I wonder if he needed more than one...? This sounds like a lot of money in 1860, don't you think? At least I know it wasn't marked with a wood marker.) 4. October 17, 1861 Received of William H Whitehouse Administrator of the Estate of John N. Tatch deceased, $4.30 for making a grave fence. [signed] Henry Davis Now I'm wondering...does this sound like he could be buried in Litchfield, Montgomery County instead of Macoupin County? All the supplies seem to have been bought in Litchfield, but then maybe that was the largest supplier in the area for cemetery items & lumber supplies. Was Litchfield a major supplier for the area back in 1860? Thanks for any thoughts on this one. Marianne in CA

When a local mowing service, hired to mow our City Cemetery (the oldest one in Staunton), came to the city council and wanted to take all the broken tombstones and dispose of them, our society members gathered and sent a letter to the city council objecting to this and to make a long story short, the State Historical Preservation Association told us to contact them immediately if we saw any indications of stones being removed and they would send State Police to stop the removal. It didn't come to that, but as usual, yours truly wound up on the reorganized City Cemetery Association and the broken stones were repaired; my children walked the creek bed in search of stones that may have been thrown down there but that search proved to be cement borders that were removed from around grave plots. My husband made a "probe" for me to use in the oldest section and we found numerous original stones that had been broken over the years and covered by dirt. They were repaired and re-set (we kept them close to the original spot they were found) - the original plot listing of burials was long gone and believe me, our group did some hard searching. Of course, if anyone finds the records, it would be great to have them..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert & Donna" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: [ILMacoupin] Burials/ Civil War or own farm land > Just to clarify a few things, during the Civil War there was a 2 year > waiting period between the time a soldier was buried in the field and could > be moved to another location, because the bodies were not embalmed and the > bodies could decay to bone before removal. > > As to burials on the farm the remains probably are still on the farm and the > stones removed and or destroyed by subsequent owners. The farm my 2x > Greatgrandfather owned had a family cemetery on it, when I went to find it I > was told that the stones had been removed and the ground plowed over, never > could find the stones. The stones on another relatives farm had been moved > across the street to a church cemetery, then the cemetery plowed over. A > cemetery inwhich some of my wife's family is buried was saved from this > fate when a group of the desendants bought the parcel of land and fenced it > off. > > In Maryland where I live and where this all happened it is against the law > to disturb cemetery in this fashion, but no one seems to be enforcing it. > > Robert Gill > > Gotthardt, Pulliam, Keller, Armstrong, Nantz, in Macoupin Co., ILL > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > ***** Check ****** > Macoupin County Home Page for updates and added information. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Could still be buried in Macoupin Co. - Montgomery Co. (Litchfield area) and Cahokia Twp. (Macoupin Co.) are "next" to each other. There are several cemeteries in Cahokia Township. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:32 PM Subject: [ILMacoupin] Burial of John Tatch...possibly in Litchfield? > Thank you(!) to Cindy & Debbi for the feedback & their insight on possible > burial places, and for letting me know that a burial on their own farm land > was a possibility. > > I went back to review the Probate records for John Tatch, and found the > following 4 mentions of the burial... > > 1. "Litchfield Feb. 14, 1861 > Received of Wm. Whitehouse the sum of nineteen dollars in full for > bore [bier?] & Coffin for John N. Tatch. > [signed] Tilmun Shore*" > > *(Tilmun Shore was a hardware merchant in Litchfield per 1870 census.) > > > 2. "Litchfield, June 18, 1861 > > Received of Wm. Whitehouse, Adm. of the estate of John N Tatch, > Six dollars in full for lumber to fence the grave of Said Tatch. > [signed] Perley & Co. > By AAP* > > *(Andrew A Perley was a Lumber Dealer in Litchfield, per census.) > > 3. "Sept 16, 1861 > > Amt paid of Grave Stones $28.35" > > (It says "stones" so I wonder if he needed more than one...? This sounds > like a lot of money in 1860, don't you think? At least I know it wasn't > marked with a wood marker.) > > 4. October 17, 1861 > > Received of William H Whitehouse Administrator of the Estate of John N. > Tatch deceased, $4.30 for making a grave fence. > [signed] Henry Davis > > Now I'm wondering...does this sound like he could be buried in > Litchfield, Montgomery County instead of Macoupin County? All the supplies seem to > have been bought in Litchfield, but then maybe that was the largest supplier in > the area for cemetery items & lumber supplies. Was Litchfield a major > supplier for the area back in 1860? > > Thanks for any thoughts on this one. > > Marianne > in CA > > > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Illinois State Archives Databases > http://www2.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/databases.html > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Just to clarify a few things, during the Civil War there was a 2 year waiting period between the time a soldier was buried in the field and could be moved to another location, because the bodies were not embalmed and the bodies could decay to bone before removal. As to burials on the farm the remains probably are still on the farm and the stones removed and or destroyed by subsequent owners. The farm my 2x Greatgrandfather owned had a family cemetery on it, when I went to find it I was told that the stones had been removed and the ground plowed over, never could find the stones. The stones on another relatives farm had been moved across the street to a church cemetery, then the cemetery plowed over. A cemetery inwhich some of my wife's family is buried was saved from this fate when a group of the desendants bought the parcel of land and fenced it off. In Maryland where I live and where this all happened it is against the law to disturb cemetery in this fashion, but no one seems to be enforcing it. Robert Gill Gotthardt, Pulliam, Keller, Armstrong, Nantz, in Macoupin Co., ILL

Another point to consider is disease and epidemics that were rampant in the 19th century. Many times folks died of something so contagious they were buried immediately somewhere on the farm. In my Macoupin research I consistently came across the story of an ancestor that died of cholera in 1865 and that (along with his wife and an unknown servant girl who also died of it) because of the contagiousness of it, they were all quickly buried on a corner of the family farm on a little bluff overlooking a stream. The location is still known to descendents today and the only marker is a stone noting it and a fence around the little area. At the time there was probably a wooden cross or some type of marker, but nothing "permanent". This also ties into Debbi's other point about not being buried where one would expect. In the St Pauls cemetery up by Nokomis is a little girl Martha Siek, age 8 months or so, that died in the early 1880s of cholera. Turns out she is the niece of some folks that lived there at the time, but her father Theodore Siek was a travelling Lutheran preacher of the time that is listed in Ohio in the 1880 census. Were they just visiting when she became sick? Don't know and doubt if anyone now really does or could find out why they were there. But my point is, if there were any descendents researching this family today, would they know to snoop around the towns where their in-laws lived for details or graves? Probably not. Darren Debbi Geer wrote: > Even if they were buried on their own farm, there are > other possibles to consider - no gravestone; grave > marked by a cross or stone (rock); gravestone was > damaged and removed because of beyond repair; > vandalism; or weathered beyond legibility and removed > by owner at some point in time. > > Even if the person was buried in a recognized > cemetery, there may not have been a gravestone. Some > cemeteries have records of the lot owners, but if the > burial was in an area labeled as citizens ground or > paupers ground, then unless individual burials were > recorded and still available, the location may never > be known. > > Also another thing to consider is that sometimes a > person in that time was taken back to the place they > had previously lived for burial even if it was in > another county or state. I've found a few where death > was in central IL and burial in central KY. Don't > know if they moved back, but the spouse was buried in > another location. > > > Debbi Geer > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > ***** Great Source of Information ****** > Illinois Regional Archives Depositories (IRAD)Holdings For Macoupin County, IL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_irad.htm > >

Since I lost a couple of years of research last summer when my computer and the CD backup disk decided to have their own minds, I have been re-researching the various family lines in my husband's family and my own family. This afternoon as I was searching for information in the census and recording it, it dawned on me that there may be times when sources we consider to be very reliable are not as reliable as we have always thought or want them to be. I'm sure most of us have either heard or said "X said this and they would never lie (or tell stories) about the family". And then we all have looked at or found the one gold mine 'the family Bible' and there in the family pages are entries we need for our research. However...how reliable are the stories we've heard or re-told and the information in the family Bible? I'm like everyone else, we want to believe that our older relatives would never lead us astray in any way, but we all know that they do - maybe not purposely, but they do by their spoken and/or written words. But there are three questions we need to ask ourselves in order to help our research - Who told the story and when was it first told? Who wrote the information in the family Bible and when? How was the mentality of our relative at the time the information was told or written? There are many in their later years who are diagnosed with Alzheimer's. Years ago it was simply recorded as 'old age' or 'senile' or in some cases 'crazy' and people just accepted it as part of the aging process of life. Today, the medical profession claim that they can try to narrow the time down to a few years of when it first started, but everyone knows that a person can have a medical problem for years before it is diagnosed simply because it was dormant or in remission for a while or simply not diagnosed or worse yet the family did not want to acknowledge there was a problem and di nothing about it until it was too late. When we hear a story or have the Bible's family pages at our disposal, we need to research the information before we say that it is a good source for our research. Sometimes a story or the family info in the Bible could have been from a member of an earlier generation who might have had a memory problem at the time and no one knew it. And even if the person had good mental health, they could have told the story correctly but a younger generation is now passing it on with a few keys words missing and thus changing the story. I know that one person told me a story once that was true except for the generation that it occurred in. She claimed that the story occurred about 4 or 5 generations before her husband, when in reality the story was actually about her father-in-law and what he did - changed the spelling of the surname after he and two of his brothers got into a family squabble. And in another case a person wrote the family info in the family Bible and even though was considered to be in good mental health she had screwed up a good 25% of it. Sadly she considered herself the foremost authority in the family although she did not ever do any research. She simply based everything on what she had heard from relatives years before and didn't bother to make sure she had her facts right before recording them. She meant well, but let's face it, that family Bible is now considered "unrealiable". As I look back, I get the feeling that the woman had an undiagnosed stroke which resulted in some memory problems. So when you're thinking about or reading the story by X or looking at the family Bible, use the information with some caution. When we find the truth, it may not what we or others want it to be, but we have to make sure that the errors in our history are corrected. Debbi Geer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

In a message dated 7/9/2006 5:08:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Back years ago, when a person died during a war, they were buried nearby according to the orders given by the appropriate superior. Usually but not always was a record kept. Then after the war was over, the family was then notified as to what they preferred to do at that time - keep the family member in the current burial location or removed and returned to the home area for burial. I've seen reference to this in recent months for Civil War burials. THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!! Part of this Stout family came to Macoupin County, IL. I have been trying to figure out for years why Zebulon Stout Jr who died in Annapolis, MD was buried and issued a death certificate in NJ. Thanks, Kathie Old School Baptist Cemetery, Baptistown, Hunterdon County, NJ Tombstone states: Zebulon Stout Jr., for two years a soldier of the Army of Potomac in A.C. 15th Reg of NJ Vol. & 6 months prisoner of the Rebels and died in Annapolis. Died March 13, 1865 aged 32 years. Return of Deaths for New Jersey: - Zebulon Stout Jr., died 13 March 1865, age 32, died Annapolis, MD, born Kingwood Township, Hunterdon County, NJ, parents Zebulon and Lydia Stout.

Back years ago, when a person died during a war, they were buried nearby according to the orders given by the appropriate superior. Usually but not always was a record kept. Then after the war was over, the family was then notified as to what they prefered to do at that time - keep the family member in the current burial location or removed and returned to the home area for burial. I've seen reference to this in recent months for Civil War burials. In WWI and WWII the soldiers usually were returned home after the war but it took several years even with good records available. I know one from WWII whose death occurred in 1943, but wasn't returned home until 1947 or 1948. I've never been able to learn why the delay unless the military took each death as they occurred to make sure all had been accounted for accordingly. Then you have cases where a person is interred in a cemetery at the orders of the family and in later years someone decides that they want to have the person removed and reinterred in another cemetery. Perhaps because the family moved, perhaps the first burial decision was by someone who really didn't have any authority and forced the burial accordingly. In most states today, removal for reinterment in another location within the same cemetery can be done without any court order. However, to remove and reinter in another cemetery requires a court order and can only be requested by the "official" next of kin. When the next of kin is a child, then all the children must agree and notify the court they all agree with the petition. One objection is all that's needed for the judge to deny the request even though he/she may agree that the request is for the better. I know of one burial that caused a family a lot of headaches and heartbreak. The person was divorced from the 1st spouse by whom there were several children. The children were all grown and married and had their own children. The person was engaged (supposedly) and upon the sudden death the fiance decided to handle all the funeral arrangements without consulting the children or allowing the children to have any input. The supposed fiance had the burial in the fiance's family's cemetery lot. Afterwards the children talked to a lawyer and got a court order for the removal from the cemetery and reinterment in another cemetery where their grandparents and other relatives are buried. The original gravestone is still in the first cemetery and a new gravestone along with a military marker is in the second cemetery. Debbi Geer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com