Dear Jan & list; I have a Henry MILLER who married Catherine WAGGONER on 3 Jul 1837. I have no further info on Henry, but Catherine was b. 1815 in Madison, IL Also Martha P. MILLER who married Isaac WAGGONER in 1861. Isaac was b. 1836 in Macoupin, IL, but I have no more info on Martha. Mahala LOVELACE was b. bet. 1770-1774 in Iredell, NC and d. 10 Aug 1852 Greene, IL. She m. Samuel DOYLE 1794 in Rowan, NC. They must have moved to Greene, IL before 1809 because that's when their son Thomas was born there. Do any of these people connect to your MILLER & LOVELACE families? Jeanne

Linda I inadvertently deleted your message with more about Susan Lair. Fortunately I'd printed a copy! I have a Susan Lair, guestimate birthdate and location, but Nila's info placed her marriage to Andrew Jackson Lovelace about 1855 in Bonham, Fannin, TX. Andrew b. August 30, 1833 in Rowan Co. NC--was the 4th son of Charles Lovelace and Rebecca Morrow's 9 children; she also b. Rowan Co. NC (Charles b. MD). The Lovelace name is easily found in Fannin records. My Chipmans join the Lovelace clan when 'my' Acenith Chipman marries Andrews eldest brother, Allen Lovelace and shortly after Allen and Acenith, her grandparents Seth and Sarah Lorton Chipman and her parents, Jacob G. and Nancy Chipman Bacon follow them from Macoupin, IL to Bonham Texas. Jacob is my mystery fellow --dies in Orangeville TX between 1860 census and 1865 IL State Census when Nancy is back in IL--this time in Palmyra. We're running into a lot of similarities now, so it looks like we may have SOMETHING!. Nila changed her email and I lost her hook up. I'll try a mutual Chipman researcher to see if I can give her a holler! I have to go for my Pulmonary Rehab discipline this early morning and will be in and out today. If you send me your address I can snail what I have on Lovelaces. It seems another son marries a Lucille Sims Lair, she a widow with children later in the data I have -- and where I get mixed up on who belongs to who. I'm foggy on some of this. Better to send you my info than try to retype whatever pertains.... I don't know how to send data from my program by email.......boo hoo Later, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Cemetery ... >I have a Miller in my line too. > > Mine is Elizabeth Miller b. 1796 d. 1883-84 Macoupin County and can't > locate > a burial place for her or her husband, Samuel W. Lair b. 1796 d. 1870 > Macoupin County. They named their second son, James Miller Lair (my great > grandfather) and have assumed Elizabeth Miller's father may have been > James Miller. > > Samuel W. Lair (b. Virginia) served in the War of 1812 and was pensioned. > The pension file says Elizabeth was born in Jefferson County, Tennessee. > They > were married in Cocke or Knox County, Tennessee--both counties given in > the > pension file. And that is where my line on her ends. > > I generally don't give up ... I like a challenge and yours was fun. > > Only to happy to help. If anyone knows about my Elizabeth, I sure would > be > thrilled if anyone could come up with anything more. > > Linda R.F. Arnold > California > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Macoupin County Historical Society books for sale: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_bksale.htm#hissoc > >

My pleasure.

Hi Linda: Thank you for your help. Joyce McKInnon

In a message dated 7/17/2006 7:34:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I've been trying to help someone place a family in the 1850 Macoupin Co. census. I've looked at the Macoupin Co. homepage link and find no town names (unless I haven't gone far enough either direction). The family is that of Daniel J. and Nancy Blair and 3 children, who appear on page 266B of the listing by Littleton Bradley. I find most of 1850 Macoupin County census - location is not listed. I found his marriage in Macoupin County, IL BLAIR, DANIEL F BLACKBURN, NANCY G 02/19/1846 3/ 1025 MACOUPIN On the 1850 census indicates Daniel J. Blair was a farmer and he owned his land. A person would need to go to Macoupin County and follow the land trail. In 1860 he is listed as Daniel F. Blair in the census. F. is also on the marriage index. In 1860 Daniel and Nancy Blair are in township Range - 11 7 which is South Otter. He is listed as a farmer and it appears he owns his farm. Either the value went up or he purchased more land since 1850. He is in Center, Marion, KS in 1870. I sometimes take the 1850 neighbors and try and locate them on 1860 census - than draw the best conclusion I can. I also look at the Illinois Public Domain Land Tract sales - _http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/data_lan.html_ (http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/data_lan.html) - a Samuel Blair and William Blair all purchased land in South Otter (are they related to Daniel Blair?). On the 1850 census it appears his mother is living with him. Happy Hunting, Kathie

I've been trying to help someone place a family in the 1850 Macoupin Co. census. I've looked at the Macoupin Co. homepage link and find no town names (unless I haven't gone far enough either direction). The family is that of Daniel J. and Nancy Blair and 3 children, who appear on page 266B of the listing by Littleton Bradley. Next I went to Ancestry.com and find one whole block of pages with the town listed as "Not Stated". That appears to be 173 pages. I thought the family was in Chesterfield, but that township is listed among the listed townships. Also there is "Not Stated". It looks as if Girard, Nilwood, Palmyra, Virden, and lots of others are missing. They may have been in Nilwood, but how do we tell? Other names on the Ancestry.com page 266 and homepage 266B are: Sarles, Millyard, Brown, Reaves or Reames, Brownlee, McClean & Paynter. Names on the homepage 266A are: Hudspeth, Rhodes, Carson, Parsons, Miller & Cawood. Is anyone familiar with this problem? I guess I've never looked at the 1850 because my folks were still in Kentucky. Linda Kmiecik

Linda Afraid I've come up empty. There are Elizabeths mixed in this family line, but not Miller. It's been a long while since I've worked this side of Dick's family and I find that Lovelace, Morrow and Lair are predominantly NC. Those from IL to TX were Acenith Chipman married Charles Lovelace and her parents and younger sisters moved from IL to TX. (Chipmans had eight daughters). The Elizabeth Miller I have was the first death in Macoupin County--mother of Henry Miller who brought the entire family to IL in 1828. She was older and had different dates. I wish I could have surprised you as much as you surprised me! My info says: "CENSUS: US 1850, Fannin Co., TX; Charles and Rebecca Family #254, both b. NC, Charles 55, Rebecca 53. Children's ages in census differ from those listed this history. (William P--21,b, N.C; John--18, b, NC; Andrew --15, b.NC; Lewis--14, b. IL; Martin--13, b. 1837, IL; Thomas--12, b, IL) Three youngest all born IL, indicative arrival IL between 1835 and 1836. Eldest son, Allen married Acenith Chipman 1846." This couple then connect to Angelina Lair. I'll try and raise Nila because she has more of the Lair connections. Too bad. It's interesting though. I think Edward was entrepeneurial because all along he seems to have forced being found! I maintain some ancestors don't want to be found and make it hard, others practically wave from the grave at you! My husband had NO IDEA his grandfather had a brother. I think his father knew, because Dick then recalled visiting somewhere where there were older boys--"up north"-- and only once. Dick was born after that grandfather died, as did the gr grandfather before him, so there was little 'lore' that was recalled to pass down to lower generations. But I've found Edward on several occasions (obit, etc.) when I wasn't looking for him! Amazing. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Cemetery ... >I have a Miller in my line too. > > Mine is Elizabeth Miller b. 1796 d. 1883-84 Macoupin County and can't > locate > a burial place for her or her husband, Samuel W. Lair b. 1796 d. 1870 > Macoupin County. They named their second son, James Miller Lair (my great > grandfather) and have assumed Elizabeth Miller's father may have been > James Miller. > > Samuel W. Lair (b. Virginia) served in the War of 1812 and was pensioned. > The pension file says Elizabeth was born in Jefferson County, Tennessee. > They > were married in Cocke or Knox County, Tennessee--both counties given in > the > pension file. And that is where my line on her ends. > > I generally don't give up ... I like a challenge and yours was fun. > > Only to happy to help. If anyone knows about my Elizabeth, I sure would > be > thrilled if anyone could come up with anything more. > > Linda R.F. Arnold > California > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Macoupin County Historical Society books for sale: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_bksale.htm#hissoc > >

I'm tryin'! Since I've done most of my husbands Miller except for the 'littles' and I have a bunch of Elizabeths, and have hopes. Our Millers came from KY via Indiana to IL in 1830--where for the most part, they remained, except for us. Our Lairs are part as they relate to the Lovelace's who came from NC and married into Chipman/Bacon--which is very "ours". This connection precedes the introduction of Miller surname--Miller's in 1830 and the Lovelace's were just getting there then. they are mostly Macoupin/Greene County early on. Lair is -- for us-- is a subsidiary which I like to have in case I have to try the "back door". there are Lair stepchildren I think I should probably work on. Texas contacts have had illness and I'm not talking with them with any frequency. It's Chipman relatives we share with Lair. It's late tonight, and I have a class Mon and Wed mornings at 8:30. I'll get back as soon as I can. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Cemetery ... >I have a Miller in my line too. > > Mine is Elizabeth Miller b. 1796 d. 1883-84 Macoupin County and can't > locate > a burial place for her or her husband, Samuel W. Lair b. 1796 d. 1870 > Macoupin County. They named their second son, James Miller Lair (my great > grandfather) and have assumed Elizabeth Miller's father may have been > James Miller. > > Samuel W. Lair (b. Virginia) served in the War of 1812 and was pensioned. > The pension file says Elizabeth was born in Jefferson County, Tennessee. > They > were married in Cocke or Knox County, Tennessee--both counties given in > the > pension file. And that is where my line on her ends. > > I generally don't give up ... I like a challenge and yours was fun. > > Only to happy to help. If anyone knows about my Elizabeth, I sure would > be > thrilled if anyone could come up with anything more. > > Linda R.F. Arnold > California > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Macoupin County Historical Society books for sale: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/m_bksale.htm#hissoc > >

In a message dated 7/16/2006 5:31:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Samuel W. Lair b. 1796 d. 1870 Macoupin County. They named their second son, James Miller Lair (my great grandfather) and have assumed Elizabeth Miller's father may have been James Miller. Samuel W. Lair (b. Virginia) served in the War of 1812 and was pensioned. The pension file says Elizabeth was born in Jefferson County, Tennessee. They were married in Cocke or Knox County, Tennessee--both counties given in the pension file. And that is where my line on her ends. I generally don't give up ... I like a challenge and yours was fun. Only to happy to help. If anyone knows about my Elizabeth, I sure would be thrilled if anyone could come up with anything more. Hi, I do not think I will be a lot of help!!! If you can pinpoint where Samuel and Elizabeth lived you may find where they are buried. In section 1 in South Palmyra there are two cemeteries in "Tombstone Revelations in Macoupin County, IL, compiled by Macoupin County Historical Society - Doss Grave cemetery and Andrew Cemetery. I do not think they are in either of these two cemeteries. Do you know where other family members are buried? You may want to write Macoupin County Historical Society to see if they have information on other cemeteries in the area. Between January 9, 1832 and 816 April 1836 Samuel Lair was an original purchaser of land. Descrip sec Tn RW acres date W1/2SW 29-10-07 - Carlinville 80 acres 9 JAN 1832 W1/2NE 01-11-08 - South Palmyra 79.58 acres 10 APR 1835 NW1/4 01-11-08 - South Palmyra 157.32 acres 10 Apr 1835 E1/2NE 02-11-08 - South Palmyra 78.99 acres 4 May 1835 N1/2 SW 01-11-08 - South Palmyra 80 acres 4 May 1835 SESW 36-12-08 - North Palmyra 40 acres 16 APR 1836 Samuel, Elizabeth Lair and family or on the Macoupin County Census - it does not say where. On the 1860 census Samuel, Elizabeth and family are lining in Township 11 Range 8 in Macoupin County -Cummington post office. (Township 11 Range 8 = South Palmyra) On the 1870 census Elizabeth Lair is in Township 11 Range 8 in Macoupin County (Township 11 Range 8 = South Palmyra) Happy Hunting, Kathie

Bill Membership in the Macoupin County Genealogical Society is $15.00 per year and includes our quarterly the Macoupin County Searcher. Mail your check or money order to: Macoupin County Genealogical Society, P.O. Box 95, Staunton, IL 62088. ----- Original Message ----- From: "G Frazier" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] RE: Burials/ Civil War or own farm land > Thank you, Bill, for serving our country. > > and all the other veterans. Freedom costs. > > Gloria > > At 04:26 PM 7/11/2006, you wrote: > >I commend you for all your hard work. It is a worthy task and more of us > >need to be involved. I live way down here in Texas, I am 80, a WWII veteran > >and within the last 6 months I have had open heart surgery and brain > >surgery. > > > >An uncle of mine, James Burgoyne and some his family are buried in one of > >the Staunton cemeteries; a set of one of my grandparents (Burgoynes) and > >some of their relatives are buried in the Miles Station church cemetery; and > >some of my great grandparents and the other set of my grandparents > >(Schneebergs) are buried in the Brighton city cemetery. I lived in Brighton > >with my parents from 1926 - 1940. > > > >I have delayed joining the Macoupin County Researcher (?) - publication, so > >send me information as to how I subscribe to it. > > > >Bill Schneeberg > >2922 South Country Club Road > >Garland, TX 75043-1306 > >Phone: 972-278-2851 > >Email: [email protected] > >Researching: SCHNEEBERG; GILL; BURGOYNE; SAUERWEIN; BOSTON; GRAHAM; STETHEM; > >AND SCHWAB. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > >Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:30 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: Burials/ Civil War or own farm land > > > >Cindy, > > Just want to say thank you to you and your family for all of your > >hard work! > > > >Kim Kolk > >- ------------------------------------- > >[email protected] > >Researching DEBEE, HAHNENKAMP, JANCO, KOLK, MAXWELL, PETRINI, > >POYNTER, WEISS > > > > > >On Jul 10, 2006, at 8:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > From: "Chuck & Cindy Leonard" <[email protected]> > > > Date: July 9, 2006 10:24:58 PM CDT > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Burials/ Civil War or own farm land > > > > > > > > > When a local mowing service, hired to mow our City Cemetery (the > > > oldest one > > > in Staunton), came to the city council and wanted to take all the > > > broken > > > tombstones and dispose of them, our society members gathered and > > > sent a > > > letter to the city council objecting to this and to make a long > > > story short, > > > the State Historical Preservation Association told us to contact them > > > immediately if we saw any indications of stones being removed and > > > they would > > > send State Police to stop the removal. It didn't come to that, but as > > > usual, yours truly wound up on the reorganized City Cemetery > > > Association and > > > the broken stones were repaired; my children walked the creek bed > > > in search > > > of stones that may have been thrown down there but that search > > > proved to be > > > cement borders that were removed from around grave plots. My > > > husband made a > > > "probe" for me to use in the oldest section and we found numerous > > > original > > > stones that had been broken over the years and covered by dirt. > > > They were > > > repaired and re-set (we kept them close to the original spot they were > > > found) - the original plot listing of burials was long gone and > > > believe me, > > > our group did some hard searching. Of course, if anyone finds the > > > records, > > > it would be great to have them..... > > > >______________________________ > > > > > >==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > >To post a message so everyone on ILMACOUP-L or ILMACOUP-D receives it, > >send the message to: > > [email protected] > > It will then be sent on to everyone in both ILMACOUP-L or ILMACOUP-D. > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > ***** Check ****** > Macoupin County Home Page for updates and added information. > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

I have a Miller in my line too. Mine is Elizabeth Miller b. 1796 d. 1883-84 Macoupin County and can't locate a burial place for her or her husband, Samuel W. Lair b. 1796 d. 1870 Macoupin County. They named their second son, James Miller Lair (my great grandfather) and have assumed Elizabeth Miller's father may have been James Miller. Samuel W. Lair (b. Virginia) served in the War of 1812 and was pensioned. The pension file says Elizabeth was born in Jefferson County, Tennessee. They were married in Cocke or Knox County, Tennessee--both counties given in the pension file. And that is where my line on her ends. I generally don't give up ... I like a challenge and yours was fun. Only to happy to help. If anyone knows about my Elizabeth, I sure would be thrilled if anyone could come up with anything more. Linda R.F. Arnold California

Jan: I could not find any of the people you mentioned in the book (Cemetery Inscriptions Cherokee County, Kansas). However, I did located Edward Miller & family in 1910 census in Texas; and 1930 census in Arkansas. (Could not located in 1920, but didn't tweak the numbers, so to speak.) I will post what I found in the census (abbreviated info), assuming this might be some new information for you. 1910 Census Texas, Hale County, Justice Precinct 1, ED. #117, sheet 3B Edward Miller, Head age 48 Married 24 yrs. b. Illinois (parents b. PA) Captilla Miller, Wife, age 47 Married 24 yrs.; had 4 children, 3 alive Alberta McEntire, Daughter, age 23 Widow with 1 child Wm. E. Miller, Son, age 19 Harley J. Miller, Son, age 11 Virgle McEntire, Grandson, age 8 1930 Census Arkansas, Benton County, Bentonville, ED. #4, sheet 6B E. L. Miller Head age 68 b. Illinois Captola Miller, Wife age 67 b. Illinois Harley J. Miller, Son age 31 b. Illinois Hope this helps, Linda R.F. Arnold California

You know, I thought you'd throw up your hands in frustration at this far-out call....... Wait'll I forwad this to my daughter who has been my companion on this Miller "quest"! Woo! Thank you--I'll head out to Ancestry.com to capture a picture of these censuses in Hale and Benton Counties, TX! already have a lost Miller in Orangeville, Fannin, TX 1860 who had the nerve to die where no one can find him and widow is back in Macoupin, IL in 1865! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Cemetery Inscriptions, Ch... > Jan: > > I could not find any of the people you mentioned in the book (Cemetery > Inscriptions Cherokee County, Kansas). However, I did located Edward > Miller & > family in 1910 census in Texas; and 1930 census in Arkansas. (Could not > located > in 1920, but didn't tweak the numbers, so to speak.) > > I will post what I found in the census (abbreviated info), assuming this > might be some new information for you. > > 1910 Census Texas, Hale County, Justice Precinct 1, ED. #117, sheet 3B > Edward Miller, Head age 48 Married 24 yrs. b. Illinois (parents b. PA) > Captilla Miller, Wife, age 47 Married 24 yrs.; had 4 children, 3 alive > Alberta McEntire, Daughter, age 23 Widow with 1 child > Wm. E. Miller, Son, age 19 > Harley J. Miller, Son, age 11 > Virgle McEntire, Grandson, age 8 > > 1930 Census Arkansas, Benton County, Bentonville, ED. #4, sheet 6B > E. L. Miller Head age 68 b. Illinois > Captola Miller, Wife age 67 b. Illinois > Harley J. Miller, Son age 31 b. Illinois > > > Hope this helps, > > Linda R.F. Arnold > California > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from [email protected], send a message to: > [email protected] > that contains in the body of the message the command: > unsubscribe > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but your software may > require one. > >

I have been enjoying all of the messages whether in re mining or farming and where Macoupin County people went when they left because, right now, I'm interested in the early history of the county as background. Any bibliography the list users can suggest would be appreciated. R. Grandrud Phoenix, Arizona

E. Cummins: Please read what I wrote to Dwayne regarding the original thread of this conversation. Again, sorry for any misunderstanding. Linda R.F. Arnold California

Dwayne, Yes, I realize that, but the thread was about following the miners; coal miners of Macoupin County. I only pointed out that I had found some "Macoupin" people in the "other" mines in the surrounding area of Joplin, Missouri. I just happen to have a copy of the book of gravestone inscriptions for Cherokee County, Kansas (county to the immediate west of Joplin). My Macoupin County people left the Palmyra area and went to Tobias & Wilbur, Saline County, Nebraska for cheap farm land as you suggest and from there, they went to Colorado to homestead and then my direct line brought them to California. (My other farmer families left their farms in Wisconsin & northern Kansas for the mining area of Joplin & environs, then came to California to mine here in Southern California ... in the very early 1900s.) It was in my search of my "other families" that I noticed there were people from Illinois and in particular from the Sangamon/Macoupin County areas working in the mines of the area of which we are speaking. I did not mean to suggest the farm people of Macoupin left to become miners. Sorry for any misunderstanding. Linda R.F. Arnold California

This is very true. Our family left Illinois for the Oklahoma Land Rush in 1893, to get FREE land. There are a number who did this very same thing from this area. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 9:01 AM Subject: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Cemetery Inscriptions, Cherokee County, Kansas Compiled by ... > To LRFArnold, > > It would be a mistake to reduce the western migration out of Macoupin to a > mining exodus. Macoupin County's history is just as much agriculture as it > is mining. In fact, Macoupin was farmed before it was mined. The earliest > farmers started settling in the late 1820s and 1830s, many of them moving up > from Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia, and the Carolinas. During the 1860s > there was a large number of German farmers coming in from Pennsylvania, > Ohio, and Indiana who bought up a lot of Macoupin land, especially in the > northern townships of Virden, Girard, and North Otter. Many of these German > farmers stayed, but others kept on moving, particularly around 1880, to > Kansas and Nebraska and, yes, even eventually to California. > > Some of the Macoupin listers asking you to do lookups for them are related > to farmers who moved to Kansas to buy cheap farm land. > > Dwayne Wrightsman > Lee, NH > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Cemetery Inscriptions, Cherokee County, Kansas > Compiled by ... > > > > Marti, > > > > If you know your "disappeared" collaterals went to that general area, may > > I > > suggest you also look to nearby counties of Cherokee Co., KS which > > include: > > > > Crawford County, Kansas > > Labette County, Kansas > > Neosho County, Kansas > > Jasper County, Missouri > > Newton County, Missouri > > Craig County, Oklahoma > > Ottawa County, Oklahoma > > > > as most, if not all of the other counties were mining areas too. I am > > most > > familiar with Cherokee County, KS, Jasper & Newton Counties, MO and > > Ottawa > > County, OK because that is where my families (both sides of my tree) went > > from > > other locations. (My families came to California ... again, same reason > > ... > > for mining, and not the gold fields in Northern California. There were > > many > > mines in Southwestern Riverside County, California.) > > > > I don't know why, but I know quite a few people who had been early in > > Pawnee > > County, Nebraska also went to Cherokee Co., KS and Jasper Co., MO and > > engaged in the mining business in one phase or another. > > > > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > > Set a timer for 15 minutes and spend that time filing and organizing your > > genealogy papers. Work as fast as you can and try not to get sidetracked > > by reading everything. > > > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > *** NEW *** > Macoupin County Death index 1878-1910 > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/death/index-lk.htm >

To LRFArnold, It would be a mistake to reduce the western migration out of Macoupin to a mining exodus. Macoupin County's history is just as much agriculture as it is mining. In fact, Macoupin was farmed before it was mined. The earliest farmers started settling in the late 1820s and 1830s, many of them moving up from Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia, and the Carolinas. During the 1860s there was a large number of German farmers coming in from Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Indiana who bought up a lot of Macoupin land, especially in the northern townships of Virden, Girard, and North Otter. Many of these German farmers stayed, but others kept on moving, particularly around 1880, to Kansas and Nebraska and, yes, even eventually to California. Some of the Macoupin listers asking you to do lookups for them are related to farmers who moved to Kansas to buy cheap farm land. Dwayne Wrightsman Lee, NH ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Cemetery Inscriptions, Cherokee County, Kansas Compiled by ... > Marti, > > If you know your "disappeared" collaterals went to that general area, may > I > suggest you also look to nearby counties of Cherokee Co., KS which > include: > > Crawford County, Kansas > Labette County, Kansas > Neosho County, Kansas > Jasper County, Missouri > Newton County, Missouri > Craig County, Oklahoma > Ottawa County, Oklahoma > > as most, if not all of the other counties were mining areas too. I am > most > familiar with Cherokee County, KS, Jasper & Newton Counties, MO and > Ottawa > County, OK because that is where my families (both sides of my tree) went > from > other locations. (My families came to California ... again, same reason > ... > for mining, and not the gold fields in Northern California. There were > many > mines in Southwestern Riverside County, California.) > > I don't know why, but I know quite a few people who had been early in > Pawnee > County, Nebraska also went to Cherokee Co., KS and Jasper Co., MO and > engaged in the mining business in one phase or another. > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Set a timer for 15 minutes and spend that time filing and organizing your > genealogy papers. Work as fast as you can and try not to get sidetracked > by reading everything. >

Your backgrounding of this leads me to ask about my one "lost" Miller in my husband's line. We know his birth, marriage and death, but the points in between would explain a great deal. Can't find any connection between the two brothers after marriage. The name is Edward Livingston Miller. He--and younger brother William Andrew--were born in Macoupin County ,1862 and 3, lost their father in 1864, and their mother sometime between 1867--1870. Mother remarried (John M. Allen) 1867 and apparently they left the state with the 2 boys by the time of the 1870 census. The trend was to KS-NE. The boys were returned to Macoupin to be re-assigned to their previous guardian by 1870 where they later married--(Captilla Jackson and Libby Allen). Younger brother 's life we have. One brother in Christian County, IL in 1880-- uncle Andrew Miller's farm. Edward's obituary in a Macoupin County newspaper, " died Manhattan KS, February 13, 1953, buried Carlinville, IL; 1907 Texas panhandle--introduced irrigation on a large scale; Plainview, TX--operated one of the first vulcanizing plants; also wholesale auto supply business. Residing at home of daughter, Mrs. Edgar E. Puett, Manhattan, KS at the time of his death. Names of grandchildren not given. Edward married Captilla Jackson in Carlinville 1885, who died in January 1951. Both Edward and Captilla are buried in Mayfield Memorial Cemetery, Carlinville, IL. says that "he spent time in Kansas and Nebraska". this could be as a child. Obviously the mother died -- possibly the new stepfather--causing the return of the children to Macoupin County. So--do you find a listing for: John M. Allen or Elizabeth (Betty) Allen (sometime seen as Biddy) Her maiden name was Whitworth and her first marriage was to Isaac H. Miller in April 1861, second marriage 1867. This is casting a "big net" but one has to try! Thanks for spending your time on our questions! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [ILMacoupin] Re: [ILMacoupin] Cemetery Inscriptions, Cherokee County, Ka... > Dwayne, > > Yes, I realize that, but the thread was about following the miners; coal > miners of Macoupin County. I only pointed out that I had found some > "Macoupin" > people in the "other" mines in the surrounding area of Joplin, Missouri. > > I just happen to have a copy of the book of gravestone inscriptions for > Cherokee County, Kansas (county to the immediate west of Joplin). My > Macoupin > County people left the Palmyra area and went to Tobias & Wilbur, Saline > County, > Nebraska for cheap farm land as you suggest and from there, they went to > Colorado to homestead and then my direct line brought them to California. > (My > other farmer families left their farms in Wisconsin & northern Kansas for > the > mining area of Joplin & environs, then came to California to mine here in > Southern California ... in the very early 1900s.) > > It was in my search of my "other families" that I noticed there were > people > from Illinois and in particular from the Sangamon/Macoupin County areas > working in the mines of the area of which we are speaking. > > I did not mean to suggest the farm people of Macoupin left to become > miners. > Sorry for any misunderstanding. > > Linda R.F. Arnold > California > > > ==== ILMACOUP Mailing List ==== > Please send questions, comments and ideas for the Macoupin County, > ILGenWeb Home Page and Mail List to: > Gloria Frazier, Macoupin County, IL GenWeb Coordinator - > [email protected] > Kathleen Mirabella, Macoupin County, ILGenWeb Mail List Manager - > [email protected] > >

Marti, If you know your "disappeared" collaterals went to that general area, may I suggest you also look to nearby counties of Cherokee Co., KS which include: Crawford County, Kansas Labette County, Kansas Neosho County, Kansas Jasper County, Missouri Newton County, Missouri Craig County, Oklahoma Ottawa County, Oklahoma as most, if not all of the other counties were mining areas too. I am most familiar with Cherokee County, KS, Jasper & Newton Counties, MO and Ottawa County, OK because that is where my families (both sides of my tree) went from other locations. (My families came to California ... again, same reason ... for mining, and not the gold fields in Northern California. There were many mines in Southwestern Riverside County, California.) I don't know why, but I know quite a few people who had been early in Pawnee County, Nebraska also went to Cherokee Co., KS and Jasper Co., MO and engaged in the mining business in one phase or another.