My ears perked up when I saw recent posts on the Arnold family. I was maybe hoping that this was the the new spelling for Arnoldi, but it seems that this posted family has a long history in the USA. My Macoupin family came from Germany in 1892, and it appears that they went directly from the Port of Baltimore to Mt. Olive, IL. They landed the 21st of July in Baltimore and on 1st of August, they buried their young son who was not quite 5 months old in the church cemetery at Mt. Olive. One year later, on the 25th of July 1893, Henry was killed in mine accident, and is resting beside his young son. Twelve years later, his wife, Augusta, died of a burst appendix. I actually have, in over almost 40 years, scrapped up some information. One of the questions that remain unanswered is WHY they choose to come to Mt. Olive. Usually, they tell us, that they either had family or good friends in the community. I have found no suggestion of family. In fact, it was a blended family, Henry Schultze and his daughter, Sophie, August Schultze and her daughter, Maria, and their son, Frederick. Shortly before Henry's death, another son was born to them, William. I might also add that we descend from Augusta's daughter, Maria, and not one single person knew about Sophie. However, when I made contact with William's son a year or so ago, THEY knew all about Sophie. But then she was his half-sister, and only Maria's step-sister. After Henry died, Augusta remarried [to John Hillmann] and apparently "farmed out" her step-daughter, Sophie. In 1900 Sophie appears to be living with William & Minnie Wellenbring [Wellenbrink], who came from Germany in 1860. In 1909 she married John Herman Gerdes, a minister, and they moved away. Kind of says that Henry did not have relatives that could / would take in his daughter. Augusta was a Barkowsky [Barkowski] prior to her marriage to Henry. The sponsors for William's baptism were William Mueller and Heinrich Fricke. The sponsors for one of Augusta's Hillmann children were Frederick Kollner and Ludwig Arnoldi. It was Louis Arnoldi that was Henry's partner in the mines the day of the accident. Louis left to get help, and arrived back, too late. Sponsors for the youngest child [1901]were Maria Hillmann [could have been Augusta's daughter or one of John's sisters] and Louisa Falke. I can not tie any of these people to the family. So, how does it happen that this young, blended family decides one day to move from Germany to Mt. Olive, IL ????????? Or does somebody else have some of these people in their family that might just tie into mine?? Barkowsky [Barkowski] Schultze [Schultz] Arnoldi Fricki Mueller Kollner Falkie Wellenbrink [Wellenbring] ? Oh, and one more clue -- the blended family was perhaps from Steffenhagen, Mecklenburg-Schwerin, Germany. Yet Augusta put on her marriage application that she was born in Galsdon, Tilsit, Germany. That is a far piece from Steffenhagen.. Sigh. Any thoughts? Ideas? Sharon Buethner

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [ILMACOUP] Last word on the shaving cream discussion? > > While I am sure Brock Way has some knowledge of chemistry, I do not. > My > husband was a Chemist and if he were still alive, he could have answered > his > argument factually and intelligently regarding his pH claims in this > shaving > cream discussion. I do not have my husband's chemical knowledge and will > not > get into the pH discussion. > Early into the shaving cream discussion, I said the use of shaving cream > on > our cement walkway in the Fall of 1979 left a stain ... yes, Brock Way, a > stain and not a clean spot as you scoffed. Brock Way suggested there > had been > no “experiments” regarding the claim that the use of shaving cream harms > tombstones. > While the following was not an experiment, this is what happened when my > son’ > s then-girlfriend wrote in shaving cream on our cement walkway in the > Fall > of 1979: > 1. The message in shaving cream on the cement walkway was written > between 5-6 a.m. > 2. It was washed off the walkway (hosed down) by 10 a.m. > 3. The stain (or, even perhaps etching) was still visible on the > sidewalk when dry for the next 5-7 years. We were hoping the sun would > bleach it > out. > 4. We moved from that house in the Fall of 1992 and the message was > still visible when wet. Some five years ago, the current owners made > mention > that it was still visible. > Since my last posting to this List, I called the present owners (who are > high school friends of my son and the then-girlfriend) to ask if the > message was > still visible today. I was told it is and that it has become a joke > amongst > them because, she wrote, "I love you Doug" -- it is good they have > remained > friends all these years. Do the math. That was almost 28 years ago and > her > message still remains visible when wet today. > If the use of shaving cream on a cement walkway was left in tact about > five > hours, was hosed down with water and still leaves a stain … yes stain … > what > would happen to a tombstone when shaving cream is used and is not washed > off? > I am sure many cemeteries do not have a water source readily available to > wash off shaving cream (or anything else) after its use on a tombstone of > any > type. As I stated before, I have never used shaving cream on a tombstone > ... > never really thought about doing so ... and have only used water to bring > out > whatever might become visible ... and after this discussion, never will > use > shaving cream on a tombstone. > Linda R.F. Arnold > Menifee, California > ...Brock Way [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > wrote: > (mailto:[email protected]) As has already been pointed out on this list, > shaving > cream has a pH that is *less* acidic than ordinary, > regular rainfall. Clearly if one is concerned about pH > affecting the durability of the stone, then people > would recommend it as a preservative to PROTECT the > stone against what would otherwise have been the even > more damaging influence of rain, since the normal old > rain is even more acidic. > > Belief in this myth that shaving cream harms > tombstones relies on people having no knowledge of > chemistry and the pH scale, and unfortunately, there > are a lot of genealogists, both amateur and > professional, who fall into this category. <snip>..please do me a > favor and take a chemistry class first. > > > --- Jan Miller <[email protected]> wrote {Quoting > Sharon}: > >> Many genealogists, myself included, >> used to use shaving cream >> to clean the stone and bring out the image, however, >> gravestone >> preservationists caution that shaving cream has a >> low pH, which means it is >> acidic, and over time will harm the stone. > > > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

While I am sure Brock Way has some knowledge of chemistry, I do not. My husband was a Chemist and if he were still alive, he could have answered his argument factually and intelligently regarding his pH claims in this shaving cream discussion. I do not have my husband's chemical knowledge and will not get into the pH discussion. Early into the shaving cream discussion, I said the use of shaving cream on our cement walkway in the Fall of 1979 left a stain ... yes, Brock Way, a stain and not a clean spot as you scoffed. Brock Way suggested there had been no “experiments” regarding the claim that the use of shaving cream harms tombstones. While the following was not an experiment, this is what happened when my son’ s then-girlfriend wrote in shaving cream on our cement walkway in the Fall of 1979: 1. The message in shaving cream on the cement walkway was written between 5-6 a.m. 2. It was washed off the walkway (hosed down) by 10 a.m. 3. The stain (or, even perhaps etching) was still visible on the sidewalk when dry for the next 5-7 years. We were hoping the sun would bleach it out. 4. We moved from that house in the Fall of 1992 and the message was still visible when wet. Some five years ago, the current owners made mention that it was still visible. Since my last posting to this List, I called the present owners (who are high school friends of my son and the then-girlfriend) to ask if the message was still visible today. I was told it is and that it has become a joke amongst them because, she wrote, "I love you Doug" -- it is good they have remained friends all these years. Do the math. That was almost 28 years ago and her message still remains visible when wet today. If the use of shaving cream on a cement walkway was left in tact about five hours, was hosed down with water and still leaves a stain … yes stain … what would happen to a tombstone when shaving cream is used and is not washed off? I am sure many cemeteries do not have a water source readily available to wash off shaving cream (or anything else) after its use on a tombstone of any type. As I stated before, I have never used shaving cream on a tombstone ... never really thought about doing so ... and have only used water to bring out whatever might become visible ... and after this discussion, never will use shaving cream on a tombstone. Linda R.F. Arnold Menifee, California ...Brock Way [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) wrote: (mailto:[email protected]) As has already been pointed out on this list, shaving cream has a pH that is *less* acidic than ordinary, regular rainfall. Clearly if one is concerned about pH affecting the durability of the stone, then people would recommend it as a preservative to PROTECT the stone against what would otherwise have been the even more damaging influence of rain, since the normal old rain is even more acidic. Belief in this myth that shaving cream harms tombstones relies on people having no knowledge of chemistry and the pH scale, and unfortunately, there are a lot of genealogists, both amateur and professional, who fall into this category. <snip>..please do me a favor and take a chemistry class first. --- Jan Miller <[email protected]> wrote {Quoting Sharon}: > Many genealogists, myself included, > used to use shaving cream > to clean the stone and bring out the image, however, > gravestone > preservationists caution that shaving cream has a > low pH, which means it is > acidic, and over time will harm the stone. <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Sorry, I didn't see the list-admin's admonitions until after I sent my last note. I have been contacted off-list, and any further discussion on the issue will reside off-list. Please note that ALL of my posts are replies to what someone else has said, and that I don't bring this issue up de novo myself. Believe me when I say...I don't like seeing this issue come up on these lists any more than you do. I will quote John Chandler of Columbia University (when the same topic came up many years ago) - - "I am sorry to see this topic come up again". Brock Way --- Dolores <[email protected]> wrote: <snip> ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/

Time to take this subject off line. I only have a few rules for the Macoupin County Mail list. 1. If some one sends something inappropriate – I will send an e-mail to them and not the list. If they continue I will remove them from the list (this has never happened). What happens, most of the time - the person meant to send a message to a friend and somehow it was sent it to our list. 1. If someone sends something you do not like – please contact me. What you do not see are the people who start unsubscribing from the list when all these e-mails start. I do not want to lose anyone. That includes you. Someone out there may have the answer to your brick wall. Happy Hunting, Kathie Mirabella Macoupin County, IL Mail List Manager http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacoup/macoupin.htm <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Nobody is arguing that shaving cream will not discolor anything. That is not the standard. The standard is whether it will discolor TOMBSTONES that are already so weathered that they cannot even be read by the naked eye. It has long been known that shaving cream will discolor various things. A good example is car paint. Another good example is sidewalks that are made of concrete/cement that contains aluminum, as noted. The argument that shaving cream harms tombstones on the basis that it discolors something else is as silly as the argument that shaving cream could NOT discolor tombstones on the basis that it does not permanently discolor one's face. These arguments have no bearing on the discussion, because nobody's tombstone is made from human skin or car paint, or aluminized concrete. I am aware of no marker anywhere made from aluminized concrete that is also old enough to have weathered to the point where it could not be read by the naked eye in the first place (hence no need for shaving cream anyway). Again, this idea that shaving cream harms tombstones is a KNOWN HOAX. People are free to continue to believe in this known hoax if they are really inclined to do so. Here is what snopes.com says about DHMO: "...fallacious reasoning that's thrust at us every day under the guise of "important information": how with a little effort, even the most innocuous of substances can be made to sound like a dangerous threat...." The wording is the same because the hoax is the same. Brock Way --- [email protected] wrote: > > While I am sure Brock Way has some knowledge of > chemistry, I do not. My > husband was a Chemist and if he were still alive, he > could have answered his > argument factually and intelligently regarding his > pH claims in this shaving > cream discussion. I do not have my husband's > chemical knowledge and will not > get into the pH discussion. > Early into the shaving cream discussion, I said the > use of shaving cream on > our cement walkway in the Fall of 1979 left a stain > ... yes, Brock Way, a > stain and not a clean spot as you scoffed. Brock > Way suggested there had been > no “experiments” regarding the claim that the > use of shaving cream harms > tombstones. > While the following was not an experiment, this is > what happened when my son’ > s then-girlfriend wrote in shaving cream on our > cement walkway in the Fall > of 1979: > 1. The message in shaving cream on the cement > walkway was written > between 5-6 a.m. > 2. It was washed off the walkway (hosed down) > by 10 a.m. > 3. The stain (or, even perhaps etching) was > still visible on the > sidewalk when dry for the next 5-7 years. We were > hoping the sun would bleach it > out. > 4. We moved from that house in the Fall of > 1992 and the message was > still visible when wet. Some five years ago, the > current owners made mention > that it was still visible. > Since my last posting to this List, I called the > present owners (who are > high school friends of my son and the > then-girlfriend) to ask if the message was > still visible today. I was told it is and that it > has become a joke amongst > them because, she wrote, "I love you Doug" -- it is > good they have remained > friends all these years. Do the math. That was > almost 28 years ago and her > message still remains visible when wet today. > If the use of shaving cream on a cement walkway was > left in tact about five > hours, was hosed down with water and still leaves a > stain … yes stain … what > would happen to a tombstone when shaving cream is > used and is not washed > off? > I am sure many cemeteries do not have a water > source readily available to > wash off shaving cream (or anything else) after its > use on a tombstone of any > type. As I stated before, I have never used > shaving cream on a tombstone ... > never really thought about doing so ... and have > only used water to bring out > whatever might become visible ... and after this > discussion, never will use > shaving cream on a tombstone. > Linda R.F. Arnold > Menifee, California > ...Brock Way [email protected]_ > (mailto:[email protected]) > wrote: > (mailto:[email protected]) As has already been > pointed out on this list, > shaving > cream has a pH that is *less* acidic than ordinary, > regular rainfall. Clearly if one is concerned about > pH > affecting the durability of the stone, then people > would recommend it as a preservative to PROTECT the > stone against what would otherwise have been the > even > more damaging influence of rain, since the normal > old > rain is even more acidic. > > Belief in this myth that shaving cream harms > tombstones relies on people having no knowledge of > chemistry and the pH scale, and unfortunately, > there > are a lot of genealogists, both amateur and > professional, who fall into this category. > <snip>..please do me a > favor and take a chemistry class first. > > > --- Jan Miller <[email protected]> wrote > {Quoting > Sharon}: > > > Many genealogists, myself included, > > used to use shaving cream > > to clean the stone and bring out the image, > however, > > gravestone > > preservationists caution that shaving cream has a > > low pH, which means it is > > acidic, and over time will harm the stone. > > > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> > AOL now offers free > email to everyone. 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In a message dated 3/9/2007 1:37:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Missy In you Arnold line would you mind checking to see if there is a Solomon Moomey who might have married into your family line. Thank You Avie I sure don't Avie, sorry I couldn't be of help. Missi <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Is anyone else on the list interested in the Ernst surname in Macoupin/Montgomery Counties? In particular I'm interested in the descendents of a Carl Ernst (1828-????) and Josephine Müller (1842-????). He was born in Germany, she in Switzerland. Not sure when they immigrated but I believe it was in the later 1850s as their first children were born in Kentucky (likely Louisville area) and then I believe they came to the Montgomery County area at the end of the Civil War. I believe one of Carl's sons, Albert M, settled in South Otter Twp sometime after 1900. His wife was Annie "Geranst", but I think that's a typo as I can't find squat on that name anywhere. In 1920 her folks were living with them but I still can't make out their surname. Does anyone know what her real surname was? Another Ernst of interest to me is a Christina Ernst that married Heinrich Ossiek in Mt Olive in 1867. I can't find hide nor hair of this family except that they have two small children buried at St Paul's outside Nokomis in 1873. Were they there because they were related to the other Ernst families between Witt and Nokomis? There are other Ernst folks in the Zion Lutheran records in the 1860s, was she related to any of those? Anyone have a clue to what happened to this Ossiek/Ossick family??? Are these two Ernst folks related in any way to those in Macoupin County at the time? Darren

While I am sure Sharon is a tremendous person, she nevertheless clearly has neither experience nor training in chemical weathering, nor chemistry in general, for if she had, then she would not have made the erroneous implication given below. As has already been pointed out on this list, shaving cream has a pH that is *less* acidic than ordinary, regular rainfall. Clearly if one is concerned about pH affecting the durability of the stone, then people would recommend it as a preservative to PROTECT the stone against what would otherwise have been the even more damaging influence of rain, since the normal old rain is even more acidic. Belief in this myth that shaving cream harms tombstones relies on people having no knowledge of chemistry and the pH scale, and unfortunately, there are a lot of genealogists, both amateur and professional, who fall into this category. I think everyone should go out and buy and read all 12 of Sharon's books. But whomever does so, please do me a favor and take a chemistry class first. Brock Way --- Jan Miller <[email protected]> wrote {Quoting Sharon}: > Many genealogists, myself included, > used to use shaving cream > to clean the stone and bring out the image, however, > gravestone > preservationists caution that shaving cream has a > low pH, which means it is > acidic, and over time will harm the stone. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html

Since so many have seen/heard/read this debate, it's logical to include all on the facts found in the book by Sharon DeBartolo Carmack, "Your Guide to Cemetery Research", publ. 220 by Better Way Genealogy Books, Cincinnati, OH. I have it as part of my genealogy "help" books and have found it invaluable. source of information. Ms. Carmack is a Certified Genealogist, author of twelve genealogy books, the editor of Better Way Genealogy Books, and a contributing editor of 'Family Tree Magazine'. Her video demonstrating tombstone photography and rubbing techniques--"Cryptic Clues in The Bone Yard"--may be seen on her website: www.sharoncarmack.com. I quote the pages on photographing the stone only--pages 113-115: "Before you take a photograph of the stone, it may need some light cleaning. Lichen and moss love to attach to tombstones and birds find them irresistible perches... Spray the stone with plain water, distilled if available. Use a soft nylon or plastic brush to LIGHTLY loosen the debris, then GENTLY rub it away with a rag. If what you are trying to remove does not come off with this gentle cleaning, leave it alone. Algae, lichen and fungi can stain stones and this cannot be removed safely. Do NOT use any types of cleansers or chemicals to try and clean a stone as this can cause permanent damage. Remember tombstones are historical artifacts; some have been around since the 1600s. Just because they are made from stone doesn't mean they're durable. "Some may already be flaking, crumbling or chipping, in which case,DO NOT DO ANYTHING TO THE STONE. Acid-based compounds, like vinegar, can eat away marble. Many genealogists, myself included, used to use shaving cream to clean the stone and bring out the image, however, gravestone preservationists caution that shaving cream has a low pH, which means it is acidic, and over time will harm the stone. While you may not think there are any particularly harmful ingredients in whipped cream, sour cream, ice cream or any other kind of cream, don't use these on gravestones as a means to enhance the carving either--use it for lunch! "What about dusting the headstone with talcum powder, flour or cornstarch? While probably not directly harmful to the stone, powdery substances are messy and don't work all that well. And remember, flour and water can make paste. So whether you leave the flour for the next rain to clean away or use a sprayer bottle to clean away the flour, this combination is not something you want glued to a tombstone or left on the ground around it. If you absolutely must use something to bring out the image, use a find layer of white chalk--and only white-- rub it gently across the stone surface, not into the carving. Do not use "sidewalk chalk"-- it scratches. And use only on the most durable and stable of headstones." The watch word is, if in doubt, don't! "After photographing a chalked stone, use your sprayer bottle of water to clean off the chalk residue... It is always best to leave the site in the same or better, condition as you found it. The chapter goes on for ten more [illustrated] pages suggesting items to be sure to bring when planning a photography trip to the cemetery, tips [use of a reflective mirror or cardboard wrapped in foil] and making a rubbing using pellon or butcher paper and type of oil crayon--always remembering that the stability and integrity of the stone is the ultimate decision-maker. I hope these words from an authority helps clarify the practice and use of materials when photographing an ancestor's last resting place. Jan Miller [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbi Geer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [ILMACOUP] shaving cream on headstones > It seems that some people want to continue the > discussion of using or not using shaving cream on > gravestones. If you wish to do that, fine, but please > correspond privately so that you don't end up having > some of us unsubscribing. > > I'm sure that Gloria and Kathy do not want to lose any > subscribers. This list is for Macoupin Co IL research > and it's time to get back that subject rather than a > general subject which is more appropriately open for > discussion on another list that Rootsweb provides such > as general genealogical research. > > > Debbi > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for the information. There is another Solomon [This family changed the sp to Mumey] Mumey in 1880 census living with his Mother [a widow Lucinda] I have not found out what happened to them. Did Lucinda remarry? Who did Solomon marrry? Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "elizabeth rivera" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [ILMACOUP] Solomon Moomey > >From Ancestry.com Illinois Marriages 1851-1900: > Solomon Moomey to Lucinda Hager 25 June 1865 Shelby County > > This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 1008065 - > 1008066 & 1009139 > > Was working in the records and put your name in. > > Hope this helps. > > Elizabeth > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

>From Ancestry.com Illinois Marriages 1851-1900: Solomon Moomey to Lucinda Hager 25 June 1865 Shelby County This record can be found at the County Court Records, Film # 1008065 - 1008066 & 1009139 Was working in the records and put your name in. Hope this helps. Elizabeth

Thank you for your reply. I have only seen the marriage cert. on the Macoupin site and not much information is given. On the 1860 Cass Co. IL census the eldest daughter of Thomas and Mary Elliott Land appears in the Morgan and Mary White household. She is Elizabeth Land age 14. The other daughter of Thomas and Mary (Susan- age 12) is not listed in that household. The names of Thomas, Mary and Susan cannot be found on later census records nor in cemeteries that I have checked. Morgan and Mary White have 3 children of their own at the time of the 1860 census ages 6, 4 and 2. Mary White's age is 28 - a bit young to have a 14 year old girl of her own. (In other census records her age listed would have her being born in 1834.) Thanks for your suggestion - Judith On Mar 9, 2007, at 5:47 PM, Debbi Geer wrote: > > Have you considered obtaining a copy of the Mary > Land's marriage to Morgan White to see if her father > or mother gave consent or if she's listed as Mrs Mary > Land or a 2nd marriage is on the record? Finding one > would help to confirm if Mary was first married to > Thomas Land or if she was Miss Mary Land when she > married Morgan. > > Another way is to see if the two daughters of Thomas > and Mary Land are listed in the 1860 census with > Morgan and Mary White and appear to be White children > unless the Land surname appears with their entries. > > > Debbi Geer > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate > in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILMACOUP- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

While on the subject of the Ruyle family. I would love to know if anyone has ever seen any proof of Emily Ruyle Land having a daughter named Mary? The Mary in question was born in 1834 (although that date fluctuates on census records through the years). Mary married Morgan White on 20 Feb 1853 in Macoupin County, Illinois. By 1860, they were in Cass County, IL. Much information exists on the couple, but Mary Land never appears with her (assumed) parents on any census. The only Mary Land I can find is the wife of Thomas Land. (Her maiden name was Elliott.) This is on the 1850 Macoupin Census. I would appreciate any help. Judith On Mar 8, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Carol Dugger wrote: > Linda, I have a notation in my file about John Arnold/Polly Ruyle > marriage > though you may already have this. Unfortunately, I can't remember > who sent > this to me--it was a long time ago but I love these wonderful old > stories: > > > > Carol Dugger > Rio Vista, > CA > > > >

Have you considered obtaining a copy of the Mary Land's marriage to Morgan White to see if her father or mother gave consent or if she's listed as Mrs Mary Land or a 2nd marriage is on the record? Finding one would help to confirm if Mary was first married to Thomas Land or if she was Miss Mary Land when she married Morgan. Another way is to see if the two daughters of Thomas and Mary Land are listed in the 1860 census with Morgan and Mary White and appear to be White children unless the Land surname appears with their entries. Debbi Geer ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367

Missy In you Arnold line would you mind checking to see if there is a Solomon Moomey who might have married into your family line. Thank You Avie <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

NO LUCK, I just run the ARNOLDs in my DARA base and fount no Solomon Moomey In my Data base sorry about that "theOldMan" [email protected] wrote: Missy In you Arnold line would you mind checking to see if there is a Solomon Moomey who might have married into your family line. Thank You Avie ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message /s/ Jim "theOldMan" James W. DUGGER ---Somtimes the "DELETED" key is the Best KEY to USE---- --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.

Hello - Could you please tell me about how long it takes to receive the "Cookin' From Macoupin" cookbook once one has ordered it? I placed an order for it right after receiving the address from you [below] and thought I would check. R. in Kentucky Chuck & Cindy Leonard <[email protected]> wrote: The Macoupin County Genealogical Society printed a cookbook: Cookin' From Macoupin for our 25th anniversary. Copies of this cookbook are available until they are sold out. Price is now $5.00 per book plus $2.50 p/h. Check to Macoupin County Genealogical SOciety, P.O. Box 95, Staunton, IL 62088. Put on outside of envelope: Cookbook. ----- Original Message ----- From: "R." To: Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:38 AM Subject: [ILMACOUP] cook book > Hello, > > A while ago several people submitted old family recipes to this newslist. Was that ever put into a book form and for sale to the public? If so...Where can I buy a copy? > > Ray > [formerly of Tx., now in Ky.] > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.

In a message dated 3/8/2007 12:58:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I just do not like to put stuff online as most of it gets used incorrectly. I have worked on the Arnold family for many years. I was just working on the very family you requested! My name is Marilyn Galvan and I live in Girard, IL. If you want to call me I can talk to you easier than emailing all that I have done to date. Your Susannah Arnold was the daughter of William Arnold and Eleanor Hill. At least she is the one I am pretty sure is the mother. I cannot find a document to prove this as yet, but I do have tons of other information on the family. Susannah had a sister born about two years later and then the mother died and the dad remarried Lucy Cannaday on June 18, 1833. Please contact me and I can relate some of the rest of the story. Also William was the brother of John Record Arnold according to what I have found. Marilyn I don't want to be pushy, but if it is all right with you I wanted to make sure I understand and have correct info. William who md Eleanor & Lucy, father of Susannah was he also father of Wm and John Record? And the Wm that Susannah was living with in 1850 is her brother, brother also of John Record Arnold? Thank you. Missi <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

In a message dated 3/8/2007 12:58:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I just do not like to put stuff online as most of it gets used incorrectly. I have worked on the Arnold family for many years. I was just working on the very family you requested! My name is Marilyn Galvan and I live in Girard, IL. If you want to call me I can talk to you easier than emailing all that I have done to date. Your Susannah Arnold was the daughter of William Arnold and Eleanor Hill. At least she is the one I am pretty sure is the mother. I cannot find a document to prove this as yet, but I do have tons of other information on the family. Susannah had a sister born about two years later and then the mother died and the dad remarried Lucy Cannaday on June 18, 1833. Please contact me and I can relate some of the rest of the story. Also William was the brother of John Record Arnold according to what I have found. Sorry if I'm being pushy Marilyn.... I just want to be sure that I have correct information if that's ok. The William who md Eleanor & Lucy is father to Susannah, Wm (who she was with in 1850 census) and John Record Arnold? Or Missi <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.