I am looking for a Marriage License. My grand parents were married in Decatur, on 28 Aug 1924. I am disabled and am unable to travel. Is there anyone who could help me get a copy of this License? I will pay copy, and mailing costs. The names are : Earl Cralley married Bessie Eloise Spainhour on 28 Aug 1924. Thank You, Douglas

Is anyone having a problem with Ancestry.com? Helen in idaho

>From the Sangamon County GS: Sangamon County Genealogical Society's Fall 2003 Open House/Research Day Saturday, December 6 from 9 A. M. To NOON 2856 South 11th Street, Springfield, Illinois Census, Birth, Marriage and Death Microfilm, Microfilm of the Auburn Citizen from 1874 to 1965, Virden Recorder from 07 July 1922 to 09 March 1950, Petersburg Observer 13 July 1878 to 30 December 1905, Menard County Axis 04 May 1861 to 29 August 1868, Society Publications, Misc. Surname Files, Vertical Files, Obituary Files, Misc. Society Collections, Deed Record Microfilm, Misc. Illinois County Publications, Research Forms & Assistance on Genealogical Questions will be Available Throughout the Day Help promote your local genealogical society by bringing friends and neighbors along to see the great selection of materials available in Sangamon County. Come join in the hunt through our treasure trove of genealogical and historical resources. Donations of genealogical or historical materials are always welcome. Contact the society at: 217-529-0542 or via the Internet at Dbutton2@aol.com

Helen Please contact me directly abt our Hathaway's. Thanks SALLY THANKS.....:-)* Sally Hathaway sjhathaway@aol.com

Genealogists, particularly those interested in the use of technology, will meet in St. Louis from 22-24 January 2004 for NGS GENTECH 2004. December 1 is the deadline for the advance registration discount. Since 1993, GENTECH has been the national conference for people interested in GENealogy and TECHnology. In 2002 GENTECH strengthened its infrastructure and expanded its role by becoming a division of the National Genealogical Society. Each year the conference has featured a panel of nationally known speakers who have addressed themselves to every aspect of the use of computer and Internet technology to support genealogical research - to meet the needs of advanced users as well as those just beginning to use technology in their research. This year there will be a special Librarian's Pre-Conference at NGS GENTECH Thursday, January 22, 2004. Details of this special Pre-Conference are at: www.slcl.lib.mo.us/slcl/sc/gentech04/precon-schedule.htm. Information on the entire NGS GENTECH conference can be found at: http://www.eshow2000.com/ngsgentech/register_now.cfm or at the St. Louis Genealogical Society website: www.stlgs.org/gentech2004 John Konvalinka, CGRS(sm), CGL(sm) www.konvalinka.com CGRS (Certified Genealogical Records Specialist) and CGL (Certified Genealogical Lecturer) are service marks of the Board for the Certification of Genealogists <http://www.BCGcertification.org> used under license by certified persons after periodic competency evaluations.

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This comes up periodically so I thought I would pass it along. The following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter and is copyright 2003 by Richard W. Eastman. It is re-published here with the permission of the author. Information about the newsletter is available at http://www.eogn.com. Let's face it. Genealogists spend a lot of time in cemeteries. Those who visit cemeteries in the Midwest and western states often find tombstones that look like logs or tree stumps. Some simpler designs look like regular tombstones but with a circular design on them with a log, a dove, an axe, maul, and wedge, and the inscription, "Dum Tacet Clamat" ("Though silent, he speaks"). Most of these tombstones were placed there in the late nineteenth or early twentieth century. What are these unique legacies left behind? What is the significance of the logs or tree stumps? In 1883, a man by the name of Joseph Cullen Root organized a fraternal society in Omaha, Nebraska, called "Modern Woodmen of America". As in many fraternal organizations of time, one of the benefits of being a member was that upon death, the other members would pass around a hat and donate money to the widow. Membership was limited to white males older than 18 years of age. Later, when passing around the hat became more frequent and costly, Root decided to sell life insurance to members. Modern Woodmen of America became a fraternal benefit society. Later, a women's auxiliary started up, called "Royal Neighbors of America." Both the male and female organizations grew steadily, and in five years, Modern Woodmen had a total membership of twenty-four thousand. In 1899, several members had a "falling out" with the leaders of the society and separated to form a new society under the leadership of Fred A. Falkenburg, which they named "Woodmen of the World". Shortly after, tensions were high in the new organization, and Falkenburg moved to Denver to form, "Woodmen of the World, Pacific Jurisdiction". Today, the three societies remain as insurance companies. Woodmen of the World created women's auxiliaries called "Woodmen Circle" and "Supreme Forest Woodmen," while the Pacific Jurisdiction created an auxiliary called "Neighbors of Woodcraft", which still exists as an insurance company in Portland, Oregon. Up until 1935, when a member died, the society would donate $100.00 towards the burial expenses if the surviving family allowed the society's emblem and/or wording to appear on the stone. These are the aforementioned designs that appear on the deceased members' gravestones. You can find numerous pictures of these tombstones on the Web, including at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/flaghold/flag081.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rocky/Fran... http://www.courses.rochester.edu/hom... http://www.arches.uga.edu/~rac/beardin.html http://www.austinexplorer.com/Ceme... http://okielegacy.org/journal/Vol5/OHTHV5-19.htm http://photoweb.lodestone.org/folder/719/en (click on the images to see a larger version) The most ornate one I could find is at http://darktreasures.com/Graveyards/FavoriteTombStones.htm (look at the bottom picture, click on it to see a larger image)

The following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter and is copyright 2003 by Richard W. Eastman. It is re-published here with the permission of the author. Information about the newsletter is available at http://www.eogn.com. What Is "Second Cousin Once Removed?" One of the terms frequently encountered when researching your family tree is "removed" cousins; for instance, "second cousin, once removed." Many people have an erroneous idea of what this means. So what is the correct definition? First of all, let's examine the definition of cousins. It is "two people who share a common ancestor:" In fact, in order to be cousins, you must share a grandparent or someone from an even earlier generation of the family: FIRST COUSINS share a grandparent in common. SECOND COUSINS share a great-grandparent in common. THIRD COUSINS share a great-great-grandparent in common. And so on. When the word "removed" is used to describe a cousin relationship, it indicates that the two people are from different generations. "Once removed" indicates a difference of one generation, "twice removed" indicates a difference of two generations, and so forth. Let's compare you with your first cousin. You both share a grandparent, often two grandparents. However, your cousin's child also shares the same ancestry but at a difference of one generation. That child is "removed" from your cousin relationship by one generation. Hence, that child is your first cousin, once removed. Likewise, the grandchild of your first cousin is your first cousin twice removed (two generations removed from being a first cousin). Many people confuse the term "first cousin once removed" with "second cousin." The two are not the same. Here is a chart that explains the relationships and can quickly explain your relationship to anyone else in your family, up to 10 generations away. Note that we are talking about "blood relatives," not those whose sole relationship is by marriage. To see the actual chart which accompanied this article go to http://www.eogn.com/newsletter/ and click on What Is "Second Cousin Once Removed?" While you are there you will find information on how to get your own copy of this informative free genealogy electronic newsletter.

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Watch when research the newspapers at the Decatur Library. They had two different ones and the index is for which ever it listed on that book. Sure wasted a lot of time before I found that out. Will learn to read closer. T The genealogy office has some of them also and an index for older ones.

My 3rd great-grandmother Eliza Jane (MONTGALL) LEATHERS, (daughter of William MONTGALL & Permilia Jane (?WILLIAMS), had a sister Mary Jane MONTGALL b. 4 January 1826 Tennessee d. after 1850 ?Wayne or Macon Co, Illinois married abt 1844 Wayne or Macon Co, IL James William WARNICK b. 1819 North Carolina d. 1849 Wayne Co, IL. children William J. WARNICK b. 1845 Wayne Co, IL. Thank you for your time. Beverly in TX

I do, but not with me. If you send me your snail mail address at jjjsg@aol.com, I'll send you the Warnick info that I have. It's a fairly large book, but I think you'll find it very interesting. Jane Griffin See previous message.

Hi Beverly. You must be looking at Mary Ellen Warnick Harbarger/Barger, the wife of James H. Barger? He was her second husband. William E. Harbarger was my great greatgrandfather. Mary Ellen's father, James William was born 24 July 1812 in North Carolina. I have him married to Lucinda McMennamy (daughter of John McMennamy) on 26 Sep 1839 according to family genealogy and the Illinois Marriage Index. His death date was 19 Feb 1853. He was buried in Peru Cemetery, aka Warnick Cemetery. His father was William Warnick (born 16 April 1784 and died 13 Feb 1855). William married Nancy Griffin on 16 Apr 1804. He too is buried in Warnick Cemetery. William's father, James Warnock/Warnick was born in 1741 in Tennessee and died either on the 13th or 14th of April 1804 in Wilson Co., TN. I have a Warnick genealogy book and I have pictures of most of the stones in the Warnick cemetery where Mary Ellen and William Warnick's marker is. I want to look into Mary Jane Montgall. I don't have her anywhere in the line and need to see if I've just overlooked a second marriage, or where she falls in the line. I am visiting in Illinois and hope to get some genealogy done while I'm here, but I wasn't planning on working on that line and don't have my book with me. Can you tell me where you obtained your information? It may be that we are working on two separate James Williams. If I don't find anything while I'm here in Decatur, I'll do some looking when I get home in about two to three weeks. Jane Griffin

I also use the Decatur Library when I'm in town, and as previously stated by another viewer, it is a great facility for tracking newspapers. I don't remember exactly what all the papers are, but I know it's an extensive field of search. Jane

I do have a subscription to Ancestry.com and use it quite frequently for lookups and was really pleased (and very surprised) to find so many obits from Decatur; however, the task is very time consuming because it doesn't take you to the location and you have to hunt the entire page for the obits which are often found in the local news, etc. I also found that if the name is common, you will also find a hit in the paper and yet not find the obit because the two names show up in separate articles, but all in all, when you live out of state, it helps tremendously! Jane Griffin

Hi, If it is obituaries that you are l.ooking for the Decatur Pubic Library has an excellant list of them. You can look the newspapers up yourself and all it costs is for the copy. Just for your information. I am not sure what years they cover but there are several books that are in aphabetic order in each book. They are wonderful. Thanks, Charlotte English

In a message dated 10/20/2003 7:46:12 AM Central Daylight Time, LoganCty@mindspring.com writes: Decatur Daily Review (Decatur, IL) Decatur Evening Herald (Decatur, IL) Decatur Herald (Decatur, IL) Decatur Local Review (Decatur, IL) Decatur Review (Decatur, IL) Now the Decatur Herald and Review.

The Old Capital Historical Library, in Springfield, Ill. has old newspapers on micro film, and are available for inter-library loan, at no charge. I have researched them, and there is a lot of information there. the only charge, would be if you are in the library, is for copies you make there. Mary Cheryl Rothwell <LoganCty@mindspring.com> wrote: The following is the result of a surname search at Ancestry.com's historic newspapers. That's a subscription service. I point it out only because of all the old Decatur papers it apparently has. I don't have a subscription myself and do not know if this is all of the Decatur papers it has. You might want to keep it in mind as a resource. Perhaps someone on the list has a subscription and could tell us more. Decatur Daily Dispatch (Decatur, IL) Decatur Daily Republican (Decatur, IL) Decatur Daily Review (Decatur, IL) Decatur Evening Herald (Decatur, IL) Decatur Herald (Decatur, IL) Decatur Local Review (Decatur, IL) Decatur Review (Decatur, IL) Decatur Weekly News (Decatur, IL) Cheryl Rothwell logancty@mindspring.com Logan County, IL, Coordinator, ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas et al ==== ILMACON Mailing List ==== Visit the Macon County ILGenWeb page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacon/

Helen, I don't know if you remember corresponding with me before. This is Beverly (HIMES) BARGER we moved from New Mexico to Texas this last year. I was born in Macon and grew up in Fayette Co, IL. Are there many WARNICK buried in the WARNICK Cemetery? You went to school in Boody, IL with Bill the youngest brother of my uncle Bob WOODCOCK. Bill WOODCOCK died young a number of years ago. My uncle Bob WOODCOCK grew up and lived in Boody, IL until the moved a several years ago. His wife Carol (MARSH) WOODCOCK is my mother's youngest sister. Is there a James William WARNICK b. abt 1819 d. 1849 buried there? Also looking for is wife was Mary Jane )MONTGALL who died after 1850 or later I believe. I think the WARNICK came from Wayne Co, IL early originally. Thank you, Beverly (HIMES) BARGER in TX

I have the Warnick/Ekel Cemetery list. Helen in Idaho > > From: Bcookiegma@cs.com > Date: 2003/10/09 Thu AM 05:09:21 PDT > To: ILMACON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ILMACON] Boody connection > > Does anyone have list of names buried in Warnick cemetery? > Beverly > > > ==== ILMACON Mailing List ==== > Visit the Macon County ILGenWeb page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilmacon/ > >