Years ago Rootsweb put together a guide to doing genealogy. It is still a source of useful information and may point you to something you hadn't thought of as you attempt to break through that brick wall. Worth a look. http://rwguide.rootsweb.com/ Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/2005