Cheryl: You mention obtaining records that need a 'court order' - how do you go about that? I have been trying to get 'application?' papers for an adoption for several year now and no one seems to know 'how/where' I do this. These papers would be 118 yrs old. Is that old enough? :o) I have adoption papers, but would like to see the papers where the 'mother' signed off on - at least I would think there was such a thing? Am I wrong and wasting my time? Thanks Marilyn - Fla. -----Original Message----- From: illogan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:illogan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Rothwell Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 12:31 PM To: ILLOGAN Subject: [ILLOGAN] Archives Info Cleaning again...a pamphlet from Illinois State Archives states that the records for the Illinois School for the Deaf are open providing the record you seek is at least 75 years old. Mental health records are permanently closed. [You will need a court order to get them -- if you can get one.] It advises you might find information in prison and parole records and makes no comment so presumably those are open to all with no time restriction. I know someone who asked for records from Stateville [Joliet] from the prison and were told the records no longer exist. Perhaps if they had asked the State Archives the answer would have been different? The State Archives staff will search the federal census indexes for you. Be advised they will ONLY search the indexes and only limited information was indexed. For example, the 1930 census is not indexed. The 1900, 1910 and 1920 are indexed for head of household only. You are probably better searching through Ancestry or Heritage Quest, one or both of which may be available at your local library. The 1865 state census is partially indexed. To try that they need the name, county and township. Before requesting any state census search read this: http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/research_series/rseries5.htm l Cheryl Rothwell ________ Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan To unsubscribe send a message to: ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com with unsubscribe as the subject. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Adoptions are a different issue but it is probably the same process. The difference is you are working with the county and a county judge. You would have to petition him or her to open the records and there is no guarantee since you have no "compelling" reason. Before spending that kind of money -- filling any kind of petition in Illinois is pretty expensive these days -- I would want to be sure the file actually existed. Filing fee could be several hundred dollars. You probably don't want it that bad. Normally you petition for adoption of X and all adults involved sign off. If it was concentual the mother may have signed off or she may just have appeared in court that long ago. If it was not consentual for whatever reason she obviously didn't sign. On 6/24/07, Marilyn <munderwood@access4less.net> wrote: > > Cheryl: > > You mention obtaining records that need a 'court order' - how do you go > about that? I have been trying to get 'application?' papers for an > adoption > for several year now and no one seems to know 'how/where' I do > this. These > papers would be 118 yrs old. Is that old enough? :o) I have adoption > papers, but would like to see the papers where the 'mother' signed off on > - > at least I would think there was such a thing? Am I wrong and wasting my > time? > Thanks > Marilyn - Fla. > >

NOOOOO, I wouldn't want it that bad!!! Holy cow, they want the living too. Like I said, I have the adoption decree, but the mothers name isn't on it nor the wife's maiden name. I was hoping there might be a release paper signed by the mother - did they do that sort of thing back then? Surely, she needed to sign 'off' on the baby? But no, don't want to spend hundreds of dollars for that. Seems my grandfather (mothers dad) was born in 1889, the parents were his actual father and a girlfriend/mistress/lover (?) and not his wife. However, he and the wife 'adopted' him. Which seems a bit odd, why wouldn't he have just taken the boy without it being legal? But his father use to take him to a park and 'meet' the pretty lady once in awhile when he was young - this was all he remembered about it as told to my grandma. We don't know the wife's maiden name or any idea what the 'mothers' name was. That's the only place I could think that might have both their names listed. Thanks again. Marilyn - Fla. -----Original Message----- From: illogan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:illogan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Rothwell Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 2:25 PM To: illogan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] Archives Info Adoptions are a different issue but it is probably the same process. The difference is you are working with the county and a county judge. You would have to petition him or her to open the records and there is no guarantee since you have no "compelling" reason. Before spending that kind of money -- filling any kind of petition in Illinois is pretty expensive these days -- I would want to be sure the file actually existed. Filing fee could be several hundred dollars. You probably don't want it that bad. Normally you petition for adoption of X and all adults involved sign off. If it was concentual the mother may have signed off or she may just have appeared in court that long ago. If it was not consentual for whatever reason she obviously didn't sign. On 6/24/07, Marilyn <munderwood@access4less.net> wrote: > > Cheryl: > > You mention obtaining records that need a 'court order' - how do you go > about that? I have been trying to get 'application?' papers for an > adoption > for several year now and no one seems to know 'how/where' I do > this. These > papers would be 118 yrs old. Is that old enough? :o) I have adoption > papers, but would like to see the papers where the 'mother' signed off on > - > at least I would think there was such a thing? Am I wrong and wasting my > time? > Thanks > Marilyn - Fla. > > ________ Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan To unsubscribe send a message to: ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com with unsubscribe as the subject. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message