I've tried that route! Nothing. And on my g.grandma's death certificate - my grandfather didn't even know his 'stepmother (I guess)maiden name or her parents. Well, I think I will try calling county clerk and see what they tell me. I know stepmother was a midwife and worked for a woman doctor soI even tried nurses organization. -----Original Message----- From: illogan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:illogan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Rothwell Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 4:42 PM To: illogan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] Archives Info They were strange then. The judge may have determined the mom didn't have the right to the kid since she wasn't married, etc. so her permission was not needed. 1889 - there MIGHT be a birth certificate. I don't know that they thought to change them at that time. On 6/25/07, Marilyn <munderwood@access4less.net> wrote: > > NOOOOO, I wouldn't want it that bad!!! Holy cow, they want the living