This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: xcheck2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/840.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello again Roberta i was just going through the message board again and saw our messges from a couple years ago....hope you got your info ok about the atlanta cemetery..... Robert Black Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Adoptions are a different issue but it is probably the same process. The difference is you are working with the county and a county judge. You would have to petition him or her to open the records and there is no guarantee since you have no "compelling" reason. Before spending that kind of money -- filling any kind of petition in Illinois is pretty expensive these days -- I would want to be sure the file actually existed. Filing fee could be several hundred dollars. You probably don't want it that bad. Normally you petition for adoption of X and all adults involved sign off. If it was concentual the mother may have signed off or she may just have appeared in court that long ago. If it was not consentual for whatever reason she obviously didn't sign. On 6/24/07, Marilyn <munderwood@access4less.net> wrote: > > Cheryl: > > You mention obtaining records that need a 'court order' - how do you go > about that? I have been trying to get 'application?' papers for an > adoption > for several year now and no one seems to know 'how/where' I do > this. These > papers would be 118 yrs old. Is that old enough? :o) I have adoption > papers, but would like to see the papers where the 'mother' signed off on > - > at least I would think there was such a thing? Am I wrong and wasting my > time? > Thanks > Marilyn - Fla. > >

Cheryl: You mention obtaining records that need a 'court order' - how do you go about that? I have been trying to get 'application?' papers for an adoption for several year now and no one seems to know 'how/where' I do this. These papers would be 118 yrs old. Is that old enough? :o) I have adoption papers, but would like to see the papers where the 'mother' signed off on - at least I would think there was such a thing? Am I wrong and wasting my time? Thanks Marilyn - Fla. -----Original Message----- From: illogan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:illogan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Rothwell Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 12:31 PM To: ILLOGAN Subject: [ILLOGAN] Archives Info Cleaning again...a pamphlet from Illinois State Archives states that the records for the Illinois School for the Deaf are open providing the record you seek is at least 75 years old. Mental health records are permanently closed. [You will need a court order to get them -- if you can get one.] It advises you might find information in prison and parole records and makes no comment so presumably those are open to all with no time restriction. I know someone who asked for records from Stateville [Joliet] from the prison and were told the records no longer exist. Perhaps if they had asked the State Archives the answer would have been different? The State Archives staff will search the federal census indexes for you. Be advised they will ONLY search the indexes and only limited information was indexed. For example, the 1930 census is not indexed. The 1900, 1910 and 1920 are indexed for head of household only. You are probably better searching through Ancestry or Heritage Quest, one or both of which may be available at your local library. The 1865 state census is partially indexed. To try that they need the name, county and township. Before requesting any state census search read this: http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/research_series/rseries5.htm l Cheryl Rothwell ________ Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan To unsubscribe send a message to: ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com with unsubscribe as the subject. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cleaning again...a pamphlet from Illinois State Archives states that the records for the Illinois School for the Deaf are open providing the record you seek is at least 75 years old. Mental health records are permanently closed. [You will need a court order to get them -- if you can get one.] It advises you might find information in prison and parole records and makes no comment so presumably those are open to all with no time restriction. I know someone who asked for records from Stateville [Joliet] from the prison and were told the records no longer exist. Perhaps if they had asked the State Archives the answer would have been different? The State Archives staff will search the federal census indexes for you. Be advised they will ONLY search the indexes and only limited information was indexed. For example, the 1930 census is not indexed. The 1900, 1910 and 1920 are indexed for head of household only. You are probably better searching through Ancestry or Heritage Quest, one or both of which may be available at your local library. The 1865 state census is partially indexed. To try that they need the name, county and township. Before requesting any state census search read this: http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/research_series/rseries5.html Cheryl Rothwell

Thank you! I've been meaning to look up Sumner for a long time, just never got to it. Sumner is the first county east of Harper on the south line of Kansas [just east of middle] which may explain why my Lucases went there afterall. Lyons is about two counties east and three up. Kansas counties are pretty much stacked like rows of blocks. http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/countymap.html http://skyways.lib.ks.us/genweb/archives/county/map6.html

Anybody know where Lyon Co., KS is in relation to these other counties, and who might have gone from Logan County, Il in the spring of 1878? In researching land purchase records of my g grandfather, Matthew Stoll, I found he had bought the home place from his youngest brother, Jacob Stoll in 1878. So I went to the deed book, and was surprised to find that the deed was notarized in Lyon County in April 1878, with the notary from there certifying that they were residents. Now nobody I have contacted among the direct descendants of Jacob and Mary Roos Stoll had ever heard of this family ever being in Kansas. In fact, two of their small children died in December 1878, and their graves are alongside the grandparents in Mt. Pulaski cemetery. Further, the June 1880 Census finds them recorded in Laenna Twp., Logan County. But they did not buy another farm in Aetna Twp. until 1883. A brief sojourn there would not have been a surprise, as they did have the wanderlust. . In fact, by 1899, this family had gone on to Iowa, lived in two different counties, and then moved on to South Dakota, where Mary died in 1914. The following year, the whole family moved to Minnesota, where Jacob died in 1918. Anyone have information on round-trippers to Kansas from the Laenna-Aetna Township border about 1878, and what they found?

Cheryl, this is wonderful information. You are correct about many people migrating from Logan County to Kansas. That is exactly what my Logan County ancestors did and some of them are buried in Kansas. Then when the 'free' land opened up during the Oklahoma Land Rush in around approx. 1889, some rode to Oklahoma and staked land where more history was made. We just recently buried my Mom's remains in a family plot in a large cemetery in northern Oklahoma where so many of her Oklahoma and Illinois born ancestors are buried. They had large families in the 1800's and it took us all morning to walk the cemetery and remember all of our ancesetors buried there and talk about whether our Oklahoma ancestors were 'Sooners' or not. Thanks again for continuing to share. JaneAnn Gifford Fort Myers, Florida Curtis, Hazen, Robinson, Williams On 6/18/07, Cheryl Rothwell <historysleuth@gmail.com> wrote: > > A lot of people migrated from Logan County to Kansas so I thought this > might > be of interest. This guy has collected pictures of the tombstones of Civil > War veterans who were buried in Kansas. > > http://new.photos.yahoo.com/jajacks62/albums/ > ________ > Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com > with unsubscribe as the subject. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Some of mine went to Kansas but came back -- I am grateful as it makes my genealogy a lot easier. <g> A lot of Lucas descendants [and widows] went to one county in Kansas - Sumner County - in the late 1870s and 1880s. My Rothwells went there but came back. That seems to have been the prime one for south Logan County. It would be interesting to know why but it could be as mundane as word of mouth. I had one double Lucas descendant family go to Harper County -- they were in Kansas in 1880 -- but I don't think they knew anyone there. They came back in 1885. RW Vet John Downing's daughter married a Vandeventer/Vandevender. They took off for Oregon in 1856 but he got sick and they ended up in the east Kansas area, never went on. I have to think there could be others like that too. I have an instance of the widow of John Downing [DIFFERENT Downing line] who was a Rankin moving to Oklahoma and marrying out there. He died in 1880 and she remarried in Oklahoma in 1892, died in Dewey County, OK. Migration patterns are interesting. I note that in my lines the people who stayed in Kansas -- siblings, cousins, etc. -- during that period often ended up becoming Mormons which also aids my genealogy. Cheryl Rothwell

Cheryl, Would it be helpful for folks to tell when and where their folks of interest made the Logan Co. to Kansas migration? Garland Edgell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Rothwell" <historysleuth@gmail.com> To: "ILLOGAN" <illogan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:29 PM Subject: [ILLOGAN] CW Vets in Kansas >A lot of people migrated from Logan County to Kansas so I thought this >might > be of interest. This guy has collected pictures of the tombstones of Civil > War veterans who were buried in Kansas. > > http://new.photos.yahoo.com/jajacks62/albums/ > ________ > Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com > with unsubscribe as the subject. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A lot of people migrated from Logan County to Kansas so I thought this might be of interest. This guy has collected pictures of the tombstones of Civil War veterans who were buried in Kansas. http://new.photos.yahoo.com/jajacks62/albums/

The annual MILLER family reunion will be held at 12:30 PM on Sunday, June 24, at the Masonic Hall in Warrensburg, Illinois. This reunion is for all descendants of George Henry MILLER (1834-1907) and Mary Jane TOMLINSON (1836-1892), who moved with their entire family to Logan County in the mid 1880s. To date, we have identified 871 descendants of this couple, many of whom still live in the central Illinois area. Anyone who desires more information on the reunion is welcome to e-mail me off list. Guy I. Colby IV Irving, TX guycolbyiv@verizon.net

I have returned from this year's IGHR - Institute for Genealogical and Historical Research - at Samford University. This year I took the computer course, basically software and online databases. Yes, it was not new but you always learn something and I saw no need for, for example, Southern Research, nor did I feel up to the super advanced courses. I will be sharing things I learned there this year and last year and on the cruise the year before [because I am organizing this stuff now]. If you have ever thought of going to IGHR I encourage you to do it. You may want to save your pennies for some books. One of the things you learn [if you didn't already know it] is you absolutely must cite your sources. There is some disagreement on what is necessary but Mills is the gold standard. Elizabeth Shown Mills, THE authority on citation, is the author of "Evidence: Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian" -- about $10. That's the original slim volume. She's calling it the "briefcase edition" and it will continue to be in print. But it was written before the internet explosion. The new volume, 865 pages, is "Evidence Explained: Citing History Sources from Artifacts to Cyberspace." She is calling that the "desktop reference edition." It will be $49.95 when it is released in August. An electronic version will be available as a download from footnote.com. It may be a bit less expensive since there is no binding, paper, etc. The "QuickSheet: Citing Online Historical Resource, Evidence Style" is $6 or $7. It's four pages, laminated, and is a cheat sheet for citing online resources. Remember, this is the second edition. IF I recall correctly the first version was one page so if you are buying online you want to be sure it is 2nd edition. Cheryl Rothwell

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thegenealogysleuth Surnames: Bowman, Senteney Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1583.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary Senteney Bowman died January 11, 1851. She's buried in Steenbergen. She wouldn't be in the 1860 census. Yes, I am a descendant of Richard and Mary Senteney Bowman. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rumagal1 Surnames: Bowman, Senteney, Keller, Bailey Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1583.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary Senteney Bowman is buried in Mt Pulaski Township, I think. It seems she was living with another daughter, (Hannah ?)Would you have access to the 1860 census of Logan Co? My John S. went to Wayne Co. IL we believe. In 1870 census he was living with Sarah Bailey and her two children. We don't know the connection. Maybe none. Also trying to find his wife, Liddie Keller Bowman. Are you related to the Bowman line? Thanks for all help. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thegenealogysleuth Surnames: Bowman, Lucas, Mann Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1583.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I don't think the Sarah Bowman Lucas/Rev. Michael Mann marriage had children. She was about 58 at the time of the marriage. Her first husband was John T. Lucas, a son of Abraham and Marcy Kelsey Lucas. Hiram died in Jackson County, Missouri. George Washington Bowman was Hiram's brother. Hiram's father was Richard Bowman, mother Mary Senteney. Possibly the S. in the names is Senteney. I have to think that Sarah Bowman Lucas lived in Mt. Pulaski Township until her husband died and then in about a year she married Rev. Michael Mann of Mt. Pulaski Township so it seems unlikely that she lived in Lincoln. But stranger things have happened. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rumagal1 Surnames: Bowman, Lucas, Mann Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1583.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hiram was John S. Bowman's uncle. George W. Bowman was Hiram's brother, John S. father. John S. also had a son George W. I was trying to find if Sarah Lucas had been living close to John in Lincoln. Thanks for the info. Do you know any of Sarah Bowman Lucas Mann's children if any? Was she married to Michael Mann? Do you know her Lucas husband's first name? Do you know what part of Missouri Hiram went to? Thanks again for the help. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thegenealogysleuth Surnames: Bowman, Lucas, Mann Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1583.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Rev. Hiram Bowman was in Missouri by 1855 and died there in 1877. Presumably he was there in 1870. Sarah Bowman Lucas Mann died in 1867 in Logan County. I don't know which George you are looking for but I think Hiram's son also went to Missouri. I don't know John. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rumagal1 Surnames: Bowman, Lucas, Mann Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1583.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hiram Bowman, George Bowman, Sarah Lucas or Mann, John Bowman Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thegenealogysleuth Surnames: Bowman, Lucas, Mann Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1583.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: They should be there. Do you have any particular ones in mind? Well, Manns and Bowmans may have been dead or moved on by then but Lucas is still there. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rumagal1 Surnames: Bowman, Lucas, Mann Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1583/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for Bowman's, Lucas', Mann's, in 1870 Logan Co. Il census. Thankyou. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.