Oh definitely. In my family, prior to my generation, we didn't kiss our cousins, aunts, etc. They were incredibly reserved and, I confess, I am somewhat reluctant to have someone outside the very immediate family kiss me. Hugs are ok. <g> My husband's family was very kissy. <g> I have tons of first cousin marriages and more second cousin marriages. For my cousins who married locally I can prove they are related to their spouses. <g> To be fair, in 1840 you had to marry what was available. Cheryl

>Elsewhere, a kissing cousin is one who is so distantly related that there are no taboos against dating him/her< Where I was raised in Central Illinois, I used to think that it was someone you knew to be related somehow, but it was distant enough that you did not know exactly how! That probably fits into the above. But then our family was more outwardly reserved, not of the kissing type except among a few of the older women! So few would have met your first definition. >From my genealogy of both German and Scotch Irish family ancestors, I have found several second cousin and a few first cousin marriages. So I guess that is another possible definition of the term -- cousins who married each other.

Well Dick, also a Lucas descendant, did I give you a big kiss when we met???? We Yankees don't kiss around. <GG> Cheryl Rothwell

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"George & Shiela Irwin" <irwin.gs@verizon.net> wrote: > Is that close enough to be called a "kissing cousin", assuming it is not > an > election year in which he is running, you are not a tot or comely young > lady, or you live in the deep south? I always have to ask this question, because the definition of "kissing cousin" widely varies. What would you consider to be a "kissing cousin." Apparently it depends on where you grew up. Some places, particularly the American South, a "kissing cousin" is one so closely related that you always greet him/her with a big "buss." Elsewhere, a kissing cousin is one who is so distantly related that there are no taboos against dating him/her. Which is yours? Richard P. Fairfax, VA

He isn't running. I am not a tot or comely or young or always a lady. I do, however, live south [and east] of the deep south...[as you know]. On 8/11/07, George & Shiela Irwin <irwin.gs@verizon.net> wrote: > > Cheryl: > > So of 64 sets of 4th great grandparents, the former Senator Dole shares at > least one set with you? > > Is that close enough to be called a "kissing cousin", assuming it is not > an > election year in which he is running, you are not a tot or comely young > lady, or you live in the deep south? >

Cheryl: So of 64 sets of 4th great grandparents, the former Senator Dole shares at least one set with you? Is that close enough to be called a "kissing cousin", assuming it is not an election year in which he is running, you are not a tot or comely young lady, or you live in the deep south?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JulsGo Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1589.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for the help! I figured it was something along that order... Juls Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wdonath Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1589.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Juls: I have not been to the Court House to look at one of these sheriff sale files, but it appears that they are the result of some legal contest over property. That is, two or more people claiming ownership of the same property. I suspect the question of ownership came up when a property was to be sold. The legal description of the property is included in the Sheriff Sale report. The courts apparently settled the question in favor of the contestant with the most evidence of ownership. There are hundreds of these in the Herald. I suspect it is a result of the burning of the Court House records in 1857. The original court files would probably be at the IRAD at ISU in Normal, Illinois. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Juls:The copy I made of the article is weak. The film is not the best. The information was in the editor's column where he lists events about town.The text of the article is: "We have the painful intelligence that two of our citizens, James McGraw and Chris. Orendorff, who some months ago left here for Nevada, were killed by the Indians while crossing the plains." > Message: 4> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:54:03 -0500> From: "Cheryl Rothwell" <historysleuth@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] ILLOGAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137> To: illogan@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:> <d3447b420708100754p16341f45i2fdecfa8dcfc27e1@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Bill - I'd like to read the article on someone being killed by Indians. Is> it possible you can email it to me and we can put it on the web site? I> think others would be interested too.> > On 8/10/07, William Donath <wdonath01@hotmail.com> wrote:> >> >> > Juls:> >> > I will be working with this roll of film this am 10 Aug 2007. I will get> > the article for you. Send an addrss to me at wdonath01@hotmail.com and I> > will send it to you.> >> > Bill Donath _________________________________________________________________ See what you’re getting into…before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507

Are you a descendant of Abraham Lucas? I am, twice. Some of my cousins are three times. A great many people with ancestors in south Logan County are. Well then, Bob's your cousin. Bob Dole that is. Who knew? Abraham Lucas had a sister Sarah who married Daniel Ulrey. They are Bob's 4g grandparents. http://www.wargs.com/political/dole.html And that isn't just any genealogy but one by William Addams Reitwiesner, a genealogist recognized for his royal genealogies, medieval genealogies and his genealogies of American political figures. It highly likely this is an accurate genealogy. Decendents of Abraham and Sarah's father Thomas are grateful to her because she sued the estate of her father claiming another brother tried to cheat her out of her share. In the ensuing court case all the descendants of Thomas, their locations and other information on them are given, proving the lines quite nicely. Unfortunately we never learned his first wife's name. Cheryl Rothwell

I have no idea how I did this or where it went but 50 active messages I had in my inbox, all of which involved something I was in the process of doing, just disappeared. They are not in sent or trash or archive or recycle. It's a mystery to me. If I was working on something for you or you sent me something and it is not yet up you are going to have to resend. Cheryl Rothwell

Great Job!!!!! Cheryl Kale Cheryl Rothwell <historysleuth@gmail.com> wrote: Ta Da! All the pages of the Lake Fork Predestinarian Baptist records that have been scanned are now up. Cheryl Rothwell ________ Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan To unsubscribe send a message to: ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com with unsubscribe as the subject. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

Bill - I'd like to read the article on someone being killed by Indians. Is it possible you can email it to me and we can put it on the web site? I think others would be interested too. On 8/10/07, William Donath <wdonath01@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Juls: > > I will be working with this roll of film this am 10 Aug 2007. I will get > the article for you. Send an addrss to me at wdonath01@hotmail.com and I > will send it to you. > > Bill Donath >

I can't promise anything. They are not in my possession or control. No one has the records in a drawer where they can just go to them and read them. It's an involved process. The records of the church the Lake Fork group came from also survive -- or did 40 years ago. It's amazing to me that such records were even kept since many other churches either didn't keep them or didn't preserve them. Many of those people are my ancestors but I also have ancestors who were Methodist ministers in the area in 1830. There are almost no records of them and none of the congregations. Valorie, the successor to this group is the Primitive Baptists. You might want to check http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/pbl.html I know he has a full copy of these records although it is not listed. He also has a transcript of the church records of the church in Ohio from whence they came and he may well have information on the Indiana church. Cheryl Rothwell

Juls: I will be working with this roll of film this am 10 Aug 2007. I will get the article for you. Send an addrss to me at wdonath01@hotmail.com and I will send it to you. Bill Donath > Message: 4> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:52:01 -0000> From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>> Subject: [ILLOGAN] Lincoln Herald-- Edition 21 Aug 1862> To: <ILLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <1186721523.28552@rootsweb.com>> Content-Type: text/plain;> > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.> > Author: JulsGo> Surnames: > Classification: queries> > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1590/mb.ashx> > Message Board Post:> > Does anyone have access to getting this? I need Page 3, Column 1-- It is an article about Chris Orendorff killed by Indians...> > Any help in obtaining this would be great!!!> > Thanks,> Juls> > Important Note:> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.> > > > > > > ------------------------------> > To contact the ILLOGAN list administrator, send an email to> ILLOGAN-admin@rootsweb.com.> > To post a message to the ILLOGAN mailing list, send an email to ILLOGAN@rootsweb.com.> > __________________________________________________________> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the> email with no additional text.> > > End of ILLOGAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137> *************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Café — open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_AugWLtagline

Julie, A sheriff sale, in general, is a sale of property (usually abandoned) for the payment of back taxes. However, I have seen them in some localities to settle other debts (court cases) or to settle estates. Laws vary by state and county and, of course, over time. Bill Stephenson ----- Original Message ----- From: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: <ILLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 10:34 PM Subject: [ILLOGAN] Cemetery Records for Orendorff | This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. | | Author: JulsGo | Surnames: Orendorff, Bennett | Classification: queries | | Message Board URL: | | http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1589/mb.ashx | | Message Board Post: | | Greetings all! | | I am looking to see if anyone has a reading of the burials for Orendorff Cemetery... I just found that it is inactive... is it abandoned? | | I am looking for the burial of Christopher Orendorff/Orndoff/Orendoff... He married Leah Bennett in 1859 in Logan County and in 1866 she remarried a William Martin, also in Logan County. | | According to a list of references to the Orendorff surname from the Lincoln Herald I have the following for Christopher: | | 6 Apr 1859 Sheriff Sale | 26 Jun 1862, Sheriff Sale | 24 Oct 1867 Sheriff Sale | 7 Nov 1867 Sheriff Sale | | What would a sheriff's sale be? | | Any help on this and on Christopher Orendorff in general would be greatly appreciated. | | Thanks, | Julie | | Important Note: | The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. | | | | ________ | Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan | | To unsubscribe send a message to: | ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com | with unsubscribe as the subject. | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JulsGo Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1590/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Does anyone have access to getting this? I need Page 3, Column 1-- It is an article about Chris Orendorff killed by Indians... Any help in obtaining this would be great!!! Thanks, Juls Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JulsGo Surnames: Orendorff, Bennett Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1589/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Greetings all! I am looking to see if anyone has a reading of the burials for Orendorff Cemetery... I just found that it is inactive... is it abandoned? I am looking for the burial of Christopher Orendorff/Orndoff/Orendoff... He married Leah Bennett in 1859 in Logan County and in 1866 she remarried a William Martin, also in Logan County. According to a list of references to the Orendorff surname from the Lincoln Herald I have the following for Christopher: 6 Apr 1859 Sheriff Sale 26 Jun 1862, Sheriff Sale 24 Oct 1867 Sheriff Sale 7 Nov 1867 Sheriff Sale What would a sheriff's sale be? Any help on this and on Christopher Orendorff in general would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Julie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I finally got a chance to look at the records and wow -- are they amazing! Heartfelt thanks to those who worked on this project. My 4G-grandfather was Charles Harper, who apparently joined the church in 1833 and is listed as preacher or moderator from then until at least February 1834, when the scanned notes end. I understand that the remaining notes may be too fragile to scan, but I was wondering if those who have the notes could tell me how much longer Charles Harper remained moderator. My Harpers came to Illinois around 1829; prior to that Charles Harper preached at the Little Pigeon Creek Baptist Church in Spencer County, Indiana. Those records also survive (or at least a transcript) and are online at the Spencer County site. Abe Lincoln's father attended this church at that time. Charles Harper is said to have performed the marriage ceremony of Abe's sister, Sarah Lincoln, to Aaron Grigsby. Valorie Anlage > If you are interested in the Lake Fork Predestinarian Baptists I have > added > information to the page AND a pdf of the first 19 pages of the > original > records. As you can see by the pages, the record is extremely > fragile. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/lakeforkbaptists.htm > > Cheryl Rothwell Valorie Anlage Laurel, Maryland Genealogist Researching HARPER, KERWOOD, CORMICAN -- including possible connections to Abe Lincoln and Choctaw Indians ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC