I don't know about the title company. At least one of the ones I have goes to the 1840s. Most of the wills and deeds that I put on the Logan site came from the abstract. On 8/14/07, Marilyn <munderwood@access4less.net> wrote: > > The oldest is March 31, 1876 so they may have older ones than that?? > Marilyn > >

Joan, I wrote to Logan Co. Title Co., Inc., 507 Pulaski St., Lincoln, Ill. 62656 asking for anything they had on my G.Grandparents there in Lincoln concerning property and they sent a wholleeee bunch of papers! Seems my G.Grandmother was buying the property - 4 lots all together; I found 2 other siblings listed I hadn't found earlier, also who they bought the property from, how much, etc. It wouldn't hurt to check with them and if they don't have the copies, they will probably tell you where to write. Marilyn - Fla. -----Original Message----- From: illogan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:illogan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joan Lund Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:04 PM To: illogan@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILLOGAN] abstracts Has anyone ever done this and had any suggest? Joan "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thegenealogysleuth Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.l ogan/1589.1.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You might check with the title company. They have abstracts for many properties. Abstracts are the history of the property and as such are tremendous resources, may include wills, probate, court battles, etc. If the property has been in the family forever the title company probably does not have the abstract but it is always worth checking. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ________ Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan To unsubscribe send a message to: ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com with unsubscribe as the subject. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Joan Black Lund jblgene@sbcglobal.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~joanlund/ ________ Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan To unsubscribe send a message to: ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com with unsubscribe as the subject. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How far back in time do you think their records go? Marilyn <munderwood@access4less.net> wrote: Joan, I wrote to Logan Co. Title Co., Inc., 507 Pulaski St., Lincoln, Ill. 62656 asking for anything they had on my G.Grandparents there in Lincoln concerning property and they sent a wholleeee bunch of papers! Seems my G.Grandmother was buying the property - 4 lots all together; I found 2 other siblings listed I hadn't found earlier, also who they bought the property from, how much, etc. It wouldn't hurt to check with them and if they don't have the copies, they will probably tell you where to write. Marilyn - Fla. -----Original Message----- From: illogan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:illogan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joan Lund Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:04 PM To: illogan@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILLOGAN] abstracts Has anyone ever done this and had any suggest? Joan "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thegenealogysleuth Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.l ogan/1589.1.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You might check with the title company. They have abstracts for many properties. Abstracts are the history of the property and as such are tremendous resources, may include wills, probate, court battles, etc. If the property has been in the family forever the title company probably does not have the abstract but it is always worth checking. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ________ Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan To unsubscribe send a message to: ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com with unsubscribe as the subject. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Joan Black Lund jblgene@sbcglobal.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~joanlund/ ________ Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan To unsubscribe send a message to: ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com with unsubscribe as the subject. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________ Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan To unsubscribe send a message to: ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com with unsubscribe as the subject. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.

Well duh Joan. <g> I wrote that and yes, I've done it. We happen to have several abstracts which are treasure troves so I went to the title company and asked them about it. They want an exact address and maybe the name of the current owner. The current owner is particularly useful for farm land where the exact address is unlikely to be known. If they have an abstract on file you can have a copy for whatever their copying costs are. That would depend on the number of pages. Abstracts are legal size. I had to take several to be copied because I don't have a legal size copier. This is not the same as ordering an abstract to be made which, of course, involves doing all the research and can be quite expensive. Now that I think about it, one abstract had a deed from the 1840s. That's during the lost files period at the courthouse. Presumably that owner produced it at the courthouse after the fire. There is only one title company. It's across the street west from the courthouse. It's called something clever like Logan County Title Company. Abstracts may contain transcriptions -- important to note, it is all transcriptions, not originals -- of the original deed or at least the first deed after purchase from the federal government and then everything relating to that property after that, deeds, lawsuits, wills, probate, etc. In a probate it would only give the parts that affected that property. Generally for a will it gives the whole will. Cheryl Rothwell

Joan, Logan county probably has only a couple of title companies that work locally (and they all work with and know each other). So you might try the yellow pages and simply get on the phone and tell them you are on a genealogy quest - not an accquition type request. Then see what they tell you. In the ole dazes a title company gave to you a complete file on a piece of property with a copy of all transactions back 50 to 100 years (depending on the state laws). These days they give you one page description of the property and opinion as to whether they will insure the title and what the premium will be. The good news is, they know the records and know how to search a property and can do the job much much faster (cheaper) and accurately than you can probably do. Another alternative to consider in Logan Co is to contract with the Historical Society to find the info for you. They use the funds they raise to support the mission of the society and their rates are more than reasonable. Bill Stephenson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Lund" <jblgene@sbcglobal.net> To: <illogan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:04 PM Subject: [ILLOGAN] abstracts | Has anyone ever done this and had any suggest? | Joan | | "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> wrote: | This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. | | Author: thegenealogysleuth | Surnames: | Classification: queries | | Message Board URL: | | http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1589.1.3.1.1/mb.ashx | | Message Board Post: | | You might check with the title company. They have abstracts for many properties. Abstracts are the history of the property and as such are tremendous resources, may include wills, probate, court battles, etc. If the property has been in the family forever the title company probably does not have the abstract but it is always worth checking. | | Important Note: | The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. | | | | ________ | Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan | | To unsubscribe send a message to: | ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com | with unsubscribe as the subject. | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message | | | | Joan Black Lund | jblgene@sbcglobal.net | http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~joanlund/ | ________ | Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan | | To unsubscribe send a message to: | ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com | with unsubscribe as the subject. | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

Has anyone ever done this and had any suggest? Joan "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thegenealogysleuth Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1589.1.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You might check with the title company. They have abstracts for many properties. Abstracts are the history of the property and as such are tremendous resources, may include wills, probate, court battles, etc. If the property has been in the family forever the title company probably does not have the abstract but it is always worth checking. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ________ Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan To unsubscribe send a message to: ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com with unsubscribe as the subject. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Joan Black Lund jblgene@sbcglobal.net http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~joanlund/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: marshari Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1592/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I would be interested in a copy of a divorce file for Oscar & Edna Dobbs probably sometime between 1913 & 1918 if anyone would have that info. Thanks, Marsha Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thegenealogysleuth Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1589.1.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You might check with the title company. They have abstracts for many properties. Abstracts are the history of the property and as such are tremendous resources, may include wills, probate, court battles, etc. If the property has been in the family forever the title company probably does not have the abstract but it is always worth checking. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JulsGo Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1589.1.3.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for the help! Definitely clears things up! Juls Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wdonath Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1589.1.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for your explanation and Bill Stephenson's explanation. What made me think there might be a contested property is the wording used in the sheriff sale notices. The terms used were "in favor of" and "against" when referring to the parites listed. The deliquent tax listing is quite helpful in finding the legal description of property owned by an ancestor. It is always described in the list. The tax lists for Logan County are included in my index of the Lincoln Herald. It seems everyone was late paying property taxes at one time or another. All the big names in the county are on the list almost annually. Even A. Lincoln owed 1862 taxes on the lot he owned in Lincoln. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: joanlund Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1589.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sheriff sales were usually the result of unpaid taxes. In Logan county after the courthouse burned, property owners were to bring in copies of their deads and re-record them along with proving they had paid that year's taxes. I have a feeling that those that didn't had notices and if they didn't appear, the sheriff went after the property. It was also custom to for a number of years to list those who hadn't paid their taxes. I know I was run across a number of those lists in the Mason County Democrat. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

In a message dated 8/12/2007 1:29:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, historysleuth@gmail.com writes: But I am related to my cousin's cousins on the other side! Sometimes more than once. ROFL! In researching my wife's family I discovered an interesting arrangement. Four brothers and a sister in one family married four sisters and a brother in another family. And the two sets of siblings were first cousins to each other. For the record, they lived in Wisconsin. Peace..... .....Daryl Rev. Daryl D. Gehlbach Pastor Trinity Lutheran Church 3245 New Brighton Road Arden HIlls, MN 55112 Vacancy Pastor Prince of Peace Lutheran Church for the Deaf 3245 New Brighton Road Arden HIlls, MN 55112 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thegenealogysleuth Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1589.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: No, you are right -- Circuit Court case files 1857-1944. Here's the full list. I would also remind people that records prior to 1839 are in Springfield's IRAD -- much less expensive way to get marriage records. ASSESSOR'S BOOKS (LINCOLN) 1859 1872 BOARD OF HEALTH RECORD (LINCOLN)1895 1936 BURIAL REGISTERS (LINCOLN) 1891 1899 CIRCUIT COURT CASE FILES 1857 1944 CITY COUNCIL MINUTES (LINCOLN) 1853 1947 CITY ORDINANCE RECORD (LINCOLN) 1857 1907 FEEBLE-MINDED RECORD 1915 1949 INSANITY AND CONSERVATOR'S RECORD 1956 1963 LOCAL IMPROVEMENTS BOARD MINUTES (LINCOLN) 1901 1954 MARRIAGE RECORD 1857 1901 MARRIAGE RECORD INDEX 1857 1865 PLATS (LINCOLN) 1890 1890 PROBATE INVENTORY RECORD 1894 1964 PROBATE SALE RECORD, PERSONAL PROPERTY 1931 1963 PROBATE WIDOW'S RELINQUISHMENT & SELECTION RECORD 1950 1964 PROBATE WILL RECORD 1855 1964 SCHOOL FUND EXAMINATION RECORD (LINCOLN) 1880 1885 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I have several instances where three or four siblings married. I have many cousin marriages. You had to marry what was available. Long ago I thought it was odd but it's not. My genealogy program asks me if I want to print the duplicate lines or not so it has to be common.

But I am related to my cousin's cousins on the other side! Sometimes more than once. ROFL!

A kissing cousin in Tenn was any cousin that turned up for the family reunion ----- Original Message ----- From: "George & Shiela Irwin" <irwin.gs@verizon.net> To: <illogan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] Famous Relative > >Elsewhere, a kissing cousin is one who is so distantly related that there > are no taboos against dating him/her< > > Where I was raised in Central Illinois, I used to think that it was > someone > you knew to be related somehow, but it was distant enough that you did not > know exactly how! That probably fits into the above. > > But then our family was more outwardly reserved, not of the kissing type > except among a few of the older women! So few would have met your first > definition. > >>From my genealogy of both German and Scotch Irish family ancestors, I have > found several second cousin and a few first cousin marriages. So I guess > that is another possible definition of the term -- cousins who married > each > other. > > > ________ > Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com > with unsubscribe as the subject. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wdonath Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1589.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have researched some court documents at the IRAD at ISU from the 1850's, 1880's, and 1920's. Perhaps the less serious cases are there and the more serions cases are still in Lincoln. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

"George & Shiela Irwin" <irwin.gs@verizon.net> wrote: > Where I was raised in Central Illinois, I used to think that it was > someone > you knew to be related somehow, but it was distant enough that you did not > know exactly how! That probably fits into the above. That's one of the definitions of "shirttail relations." But my Mom told me it was relatives or relatives - people that you really weren't related to at all. Example: I had cousins whom I was related to on their father's side and they also had cousins on their mother's side. My cousin's cousins - shirttail relations to whom I really wasn't related. > But then our family was more outwardly reserved, not of the kissing type > except among a few of the older women! So few would have met your first > definition. I don't think I've ever exactly seen it expressed that way, but - yes - "kissing cousins" where I came from (South Dakota) were more distantly related than first cousins. There was a taboo (if not a law in some places) against first-cousin marriages, but second cousins could court or marry. Richard P.

"Cheryl Rothwell" <historysleuth@gmail.com> wrote: > Well Dick, also a Lucas descendant, did I give you a big kiss when we > met???? That was just because you knew my wife was standing there! <g> Besides, I am not a Lucas descendant. Just related to a bunch of Pences who are. Richard

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thegenealogysleuth Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1589.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Court records are not at IRAD. Contact the Logan County court clerk. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.