I just downloaded GenKit. Works great - even though it's DOS and no mouse response. But if you want to know what a township looks like, or the parts of a section or need a soundex code or forgot the abbreviation for Arkansas - and much more - it's all there. Ray Cox fixed it so you can put an icon on your desktop if you like. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com> To: <illogan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] ILLOGAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 150 > Paul <roundup@2020comm.net> wrote: >>I tried to download your file and couldn't File may be damaged. or >> changed. >> >> Paul > > I'm checking on it. I got the same results as you. > > Richard > ________ > Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com > with unsubscribe as the subject. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Slick! I ran some tests and it was right each time. Land divisions are engraved on my brain but for people who always have to look up where section 6 is in a township that is a great tool. It is such a small window you could leave it open if you were working with land records. Ditto relationships, days of the week, etc. For those who have forgotten DOS, use your arrows keys instead of the mouse to move through the menus. http://www.coxsoftware.com/genutil.htm Cheryl Rothwell

Try again. Ray Cox just sent me a message saying he had fixed it. He also put the DOS program into a Windows package so it will work somewhat like a windows program. We haven't updated this program since 1995 so some of it is out of date. We're thinking about doing a new version. But not too hard. <g> Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: <roundup@2020comm.net> To: <illogan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] ILLOGAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 150 >I had no problem downloading it burt when I tried to open it. > > > Paul > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com> > To: <illogan@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:27 PM > Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] ILLOGAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 150 > > >> Can you send me a copy? I just noticed I no longer have v. 2 (just 1.6). >> >> Richard >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cheryl Rothwell" <historysleuth@gmail.com> >> To: <illogan@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] ILLOGAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 150 >> >> >>>I downloaded the file just now Paul. I didn't open it but I had no >>>problem >>> downloading it. >>> >>> On 8/23/07, roundup@2020comm.net <roundup@2020comm.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> I tried to download your file and couldn't File may be damaged. or >>>> changed. >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> >>> ________ >>> Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to: >>> ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com >>> with unsubscribe as the subject. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ________ >> Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to: >> ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com >> with unsubscribe as the subject. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ________ > Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com > with unsubscribe as the subject. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had no problem downloading it burt when I tried to open it. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com> To: <illogan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] ILLOGAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 150 > Can you send me a copy? I just noticed I no longer have v. 2 (just 1.6). > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheryl Rothwell" <historysleuth@gmail.com> > To: <illogan@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:28 AM > Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] ILLOGAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 150 > > >>I downloaded the file just now Paul. I didn't open it but I had no problem >> downloading it. >> >> On 8/23/07, roundup@2020comm.net <roundup@2020comm.net> wrote: >>> >>> I tried to download your file and couldn't File may be damaged. or >>> changed. >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >> ________ >> Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to: >> ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com >> with unsubscribe as the subject. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ________ > Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com > with unsubscribe as the subject. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Can you send me a copy? I just noticed I no longer have v. 2 (just 1.6). Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Rothwell" <historysleuth@gmail.com> To: <illogan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] ILLOGAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 150 >I downloaded the file just now Paul. I didn't open it but I had no problem > downloading it. > > On 8/23/07, roundup@2020comm.net <roundup@2020comm.net> wrote: >> >> I tried to download your file and couldn't File may be damaged. or >> changed. >> >> Paul >> >> > ________ > Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com > with unsubscribe as the subject. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul <roundup@2020comm.net> wrote: >I tried to download your file and couldn't File may be damaged. or > changed. > > Paul I'm checking on it. I got the same results as you. Richard

"Cheryl Rothwell" <historysleuth@gmail.com> wrote: > George M. P. Lucas got a nice stone at Lucas Chapel. Any earthly idea what the "M. P." names are? Richard

I'm willing to bet the P is for Price. His mom was Sarah Price. Maternal grandmother's maiden name was Mallow so it is possible. On 8/23/07, Richard A. Pence <richardpence@pipeline.com> wrote: > > "Cheryl Rothwell" <historysleuth@gmail.com> wrote: > > George M. P. Lucas got a nice stone at Lucas Chapel. > > Any earthly idea what the "M. P." names are? > > Richard > > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thegenealogysleuth Surnames: Price Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/410.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Prices who were in Corwin Township and who were from that period were born in Greene County, OH. They did not arrive in Logan County until 1828-1832. You could check land records to determine the date. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I downloaded it and savedit but when I tried to open it I got this message again [ zip file is damaged, truncated , or has been changed since it was created. If you downloaded this file try downloading again.] Thanks any way Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Rothwell" <historysleuth@gmail.com> To: <illogan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] ILLOGAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 150 >I downloaded the file just now Paul. I didn't open it but I had no problem > downloading it. > > On 8/23/07, roundup@2020comm.net <roundup@2020comm.net> wrote: >> >> I tried to download your file and couldn't File may be damaged. or >> changed. >> >> Paul >> >> > ________ > Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com > with unsubscribe as the subject. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I see what you mean Paul. On 8/23/07, roundup@2020comm.net <roundup@2020comm.net> wrote: > > I downloaded it and savedit but when I tried to open it I got this message > again [ zip file is damaged, truncated , or has been changed since it > was > created. If you downloaded this file try downloading again.] > Thanks any way > > Paul > >

I tried to download your file and couldn't File may be damaged. or changed. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com> To: <illogan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] ILLOGAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 150 > Dear Cheryl: > > <blush> > > I am embarrassed to admit it, but I wrote one of the very first programs > that calculated dates of birth from age at death and made it a part of a > little utility called GENKIT about 20 years ago. (You can still download > Genkit at: http://www.coxsoftware.com/genutil.htm > > Ray Cox of Cox Software adapted it to more up-to-date computers, but I > still > think it is a DOS program. I don't recommend that you use the calculator > because, if I recall, it still has a bug <g>. But parts of Genkit are > still > useful and sometimes fun and it's freeware). > > To the point: > > As Cheryl says, most genealogy programs have a utility that will give you > a > date of birth from age at death. Only by checking the results against some > instances where you know all three elements - date of birth, age at death, > date of death - can you determine which method the program uses - and you > will need to run a number of tests to be sure as some tests won't > distinguish between the two most commonly used methods (if anyone really > wants to know the intricacies of this I think I can tell you, but for now > take my word for it <g>). > > I would recommend using the calculator mainly to test hypotheses. For > example, say you know when a particular fellow was born. You then > encounter > a man by the same name and this one has his age at death. One way to test > whether your hypothesis that the two records are for the same person is to > run the calculator to see if you get a match (of course, this works better > if you know which method is employed by the calculator). > > The second use is not recommended (I'll explain why later): You can > calculate the date of birth and enter this in your database. You MUST then > footnote the date to say that it is calculated using the birth date > calculator in the program you are using. > > I no longer enter calculated birth dates. Reason: The note that says the > date is calculated is usually ignored and the next thing you know someone > passes it off as an actual known date of birth (and it may be, but no one > knows for sure because the chances for error are relatively high). > > I would be glad to try and answer any questions on this. Calendars, dating > methods and so forth were a passion of mine in the early days of > computing, > but aside from a few brief explanations I have saved over the years, I > have > forgotten most of the really microscopic nuances - and I have survived > nicely. You can, too. <g> > > Cheryl: I am related to several families that once lived in Logan County: > Henry Pence of Shenandoah County, Virginia, and Champaign County, Ohio, > had > 17 children who grew to adulthood. I descend from his son John. His son > Henry had a son named Joseph who went to Logan County. His son Conway > surveyed the town of Lincoln; his descendants mostly went to Nebraska. > Joseph's first cousins, sons of Samuel Pence, were David and John and both > went to Logan County about 1837. David's descendants went to Jackson > County, > Oregon, by immigrant train via California in 1878 and John's family died > out > or joined in the trek to Oregon. Another son of Henry (Sr.) was Joseph > Pence. In his will he mentions his land in Logan County, Illinois, and > although he never lived there he had married daughters who did. Newell is > one of the names I remember off hand. > > I think that a number of families from Champaign County had > representatives > who went to Logan County. > > Regards, > Richard Pence > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cheryl Rothwell" <historysleuth@gmail.com> > To: <illogan@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:28 PM > Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] ILLOGAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 150 > > >> Richard Pence, who is on this list in disguise as just a farm boy from >> South Dakota related to the Pences in Corwin Township, is one of the >> original computer genealogists. I will defer to him on questions like >> that. I believe there is a date calculator in most genealogy programs. >> I assume Dick uses TMG and can probably tell us more about how that >> calculator works, likely to be much like the others. >> >> Cheryl >> >> On 8/22/07, William Donath <wdonath01@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Cheryl: >>> >>> I do not know what algorithm is used for the date calculator in Family >>> Tree Maker. Have there been any concerns voiced about that particular >>> calculator? >>> >>> Bill Donath >> ________ >> Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to: >> ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com >> with unsubscribe as the subject. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ________ > Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com > with unsubscribe as the subject. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Ok, two. Joseph Lucas and family appear not to have integrated into the rest of the family as much for whatever reason. They lived 7 or 8 miles away -- but his sister Phebe [who is one of my Lucas ancestors] lived over there too. When she died and then her husband Solomon Wood died her daughters were raised by their elder sister and the boys were sent to their uncles in Mt. Pulaski Township. George M. P. Lucas got a nice stone at Lucas Chapel.

I downloaded the file just now Paul. I didn't open it but I had no problem downloading it. On 8/23/07, roundup@2020comm.net <roundup@2020comm.net> wrote: > > I tried to download your file and couldn't File may be damaged. or > changed. > > Paul > >

"Cheryl Rothwell" <historysleuth@gmail.com> wrote: > All I know about the Pences is one married a Lucas. Actually theree were two: A brother and a sister married a brother and a sister. These can be found in the family Bible of Joseph Pence at my web site. Elizabeth Pence married George M. P. Lucas and his sister Catherine married Elizabeth's brother Conway Pence. Both the Pences were children of Joseph pence. Richard A. Pence 3211 Adams Ct, Fairfax, VA 22030-1900 Voice 703-591-4243 / Fax 703-352-3560 Pence Family History <www.pipeline.com/~richardpence/> > ________ > Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com > with unsubscribe as the subject. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Cheryl: <blush> I am embarrassed to admit it, but I wrote one of the very first programs that calculated dates of birth from age at death and made it a part of a little utility called GENKIT about 20 years ago. (You can still download Genkit at: http://www.coxsoftware.com/genutil.htm Ray Cox of Cox Software adapted it to more up-to-date computers, but I still think it is a DOS program. I don't recommend that you use the calculator because, if I recall, it still has a bug <g>. But parts of Genkit are still useful and sometimes fun and it's freeware). To the point: As Cheryl says, most genealogy programs have a utility that will give you a date of birth from age at death. Only by checking the results against some instances where you know all three elements - date of birth, age at death, date of death - can you determine which method the program uses - and you will need to run a number of tests to be sure as some tests won't distinguish between the two most commonly used methods (if anyone really wants to know the intricacies of this I think I can tell you, but for now take my word for it <g>). I would recommend using the calculator mainly to test hypotheses. For example, say you know when a particular fellow was born. You then encounter a man by the same name and this one has his age at death. One way to test whether your hypothesis that the two records are for the same person is to run the calculator to see if you get a match (of course, this works better if you know which method is employed by the calculator). The second use is not recommended (I'll explain why later): You can calculate the date of birth and enter this in your database. You MUST then footnote the date to say that it is calculated using the birth date calculator in the program you are using. I no longer enter calculated birth dates. Reason: The note that says the date is calculated is usually ignored and the next thing you know someone passes it off as an actual known date of birth (and it may be, but no one knows for sure because the chances for error are relatively high). I would be glad to try and answer any questions on this. Calendars, dating methods and so forth were a passion of mine in the early days of computing, but aside from a few brief explanations I have saved over the years, I have forgotten most of the really microscopic nuances - and I have survived nicely. You can, too. <g> Cheryl: I am related to several families that once lived in Logan County: Henry Pence of Shenandoah County, Virginia, and Champaign County, Ohio, had 17 children who grew to adulthood. I descend from his son John. His son Henry had a son named Joseph who went to Logan County. His son Conway surveyed the town of Lincoln; his descendants mostly went to Nebraska. Joseph's first cousins, sons of Samuel Pence, were David and John and both went to Logan County about 1837. David's descendants went to Jackson County, Oregon, by immigrant train via California in 1878 and John's family died out or joined in the trek to Oregon. Another son of Henry (Sr.) was Joseph Pence. In his will he mentions his land in Logan County, Illinois, and although he never lived there he had married daughters who did. Newell is one of the names I remember off hand. I think that a number of families from Champaign County had representatives who went to Logan County. Regards, Richard Pence ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Rothwell" <historysleuth@gmail.com> To: <illogan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] ILLOGAN Digest, Vol 2, Issue 150 > Richard Pence, who is on this list in disguise as just a farm boy from > South Dakota related to the Pences in Corwin Township, is one of the > original computer genealogists. I will defer to him on questions like > that. I believe there is a date calculator in most genealogy programs. > I assume Dick uses TMG and can probably tell us more about how that > calculator works, likely to be much like the others. > > Cheryl > > On 8/22/07, William Donath <wdonath01@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Cheryl: >> >> I do not know what algorithm is used for the date calculator in Family >> Tree Maker. Have there been any concerns voiced about that particular >> calculator? >> >> Bill Donath > ________ > Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com > with unsubscribe as the subject. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know there are Logan and Champaign Counties in both Ohio and Illinois. But our Logan was named by A. Lincoln for his friend, not a famous person, so there is no real connection. All I know about the Pences is one married a Lucas.

Richard Pence, who is on this list in disguise as just a farm boy from South Dakota related to the Pences in Corwin Township, is one of the original computer genealogists. I will defer to him on questions like that. I believe there is a date calculator in most genealogy programs. I assume Dick uses TMG and can probably tell us more about how that calculator works, likely to be much like the others. Cheryl On 8/22/07, William Donath <wdonath01@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Cheryl: > > I do not know what algorithm is used for the date calculator in Family Tree Maker. Have there been any concerns voiced about that particular calculator? > > Bill Donath

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wdonath Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/410.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Below is a list of Price family references from the Lincoln Herald, Lincoln, Illinois. Logan County. 1859-1867 Name: Date: Page: Col: Event: PRICE 18 Dec 1862 1 5 From 32nd IL PRICE, Gen 20 Nov 1862 2 4 Sturges Letter PRICE, James P 05 Jun 1862 1 1 Tax List PRICE, Jas 05 Jun 1862 1 2 Tax List PRICE, Josiah 25 Sep 1862 1 5 Elkhart Report PRICE, Stephen 10 Apr. 1862 3 3 Letters @ Lincoln PRICE, Thomas S 08 May 1862 2 6 Chancery Sale PRICE, V S 09 Oct 1862 3 1 Letters @ Lincoln PRICE, James 08 Feb 1866 3 4 Administrator Notice PRICE, James 01 Feb 1866 2 7 Estate Notice PRICE, John 24 May 1866 2 5 Tax List PRICE, Maria 19 Apr 1866 2 7 Letters @ Lincoln PO PRICE, Thomas 29 Mar 1866 3 2 Petitt Juror PRICE 16 May 1867 3 1 Killed by Train @ Atlanta Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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