This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: WFlemming Surnames: Fleming; Flemming Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1548.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Barb, Was the reference that you found a biography with other information or was the short reference all that was there? Thanks! Bill Flemming Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: WFlemming Surnames: Fleming, Flemming Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1548.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for the update ... I do think that you may have discovered a branch of my family that I am unaware of. Gary, I think that the marriage certificate for Patrick and Bridget would confirm their parentage and validate that this is the right family --> STEP 1. If this is the right family, I would like to get more on the children and I would appreciate your suggestions on this. I will follow-up with a check and the request. I actually have several other Logan families (stumpf & martini) and I may have a few more request to follow. Thanks! Bill Flemming Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

As Historian for the Bock Family Association, I have information on the descendants of Peter Reinhart (1834-1904) m. Anna Catharina Bock (1829-1900). We are most interested in recording descendants of this family. I can be contacted at woodart@srbfl.com and please include a subject line of Reinhart Family. Bill Stephenson

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fsukim Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1595.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: what exactly is a sheriff sale?? thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wdonath Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1595.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This list may be of some help in giving you clues to the Reinhart/Rinehart families of Logan County. These are references that can be found in the Index for the Lincoln Herald 1859-1867. This set of papers is on microfilm at LCG&HS in Lincoln, Illinois, at the Lincoln Public Library in Lincoln and at the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library in Springfield. The information is in the following order: Name - Date of Issue - Page - Column - Event RINEHART, Peter 10 Aug 1859 2 5 Sheriff Sale RINEHART, Peter 13 April 1859 3 1 Sheriff Sale RINEHART, Peter 19 Dec 1860 2 7 Sheriff Sale RINEHART, Peter 02 Jan 1861 1 4 Sheriff Sale RINEHART, John 16 Jan 1862 2 6 Specific Performance REINHARDT & Bro 07 Mar 1867 3 2 New Hardware Store REINHARDT & Bro 04 July 1867 2 7 Ad Hardware Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wdonath Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1595.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This list may be of some help in giving you clues to the Lee families of Logan County. These are references that are found in the Index for the Lincoln Herald 1859-1867. This set of papers is on microfilm at LCG&HS in Lincoln, Illinois, at the Lincoln Public Library in Lincoln and at the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library in Springfield. The information is in the following order: Name - Date of Issue - Page - Column - Event LEE, David P 15 Jun 1859 1 3 Tax List LEE, David P. 18 May 1859 2 7 Sheriff Sale LEE, James H 10 Aug 1859 2 3 Sheriff Sale LEE, David P 01 Feb 1860 2 7 Sheriff Sale LEE, David P 09 May 1860 1 4 Tax List LEE, H 09 May 1860 2 6 Tax List LEE, J W 09 May 1860 2 6 Tax List LEE, David P 14 Mar 1861 2 6 Real Estate Tax Sale LEE, Wm 11 April 1861 2 5 Paid Subscription LEE, Col 18 Dec 1862 2 2 4th Cav LEE, David P 30 Oct 1862 2 7 Vendor's Lien LEE, J R 03 Jul 1862 2 7 Letters @ Postoffice LEE, J. H. 01 May 1862 3 3 Tax List LEE, James H 05 Jun 1862 2 3 Tax List LEE, Wm 08 May 1862 3 2 Raid Subscriptions LEE, R A 15 Jan 1863 2 7 Letters @ Lincoln PO LEE, George R 04 Jan 1866 2 5 Estrays LEE, M S 01 Mar 1866 2 7 Letters @ Lincoln PO LEE, Francis 02 May 1867 2 6 Guardian Sale Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Many of you know of Sandra Shellhammer, genealogist and wife of genealogist Dalen Shellhammer. Possibly they are most noted to readers of this list for their work with Steenbergen Cemetery where Dalen was head of the board for what seems like forever. They walked many, many cemeteries and helped many researchers with local research in Logan, Macon and Sangamon Counties. They lived practically on the Sangamon/Logan line just off Shellhammer Road. Sandra died this morning after a battle with cancer. She had been a resident of Vonderlieth in Mt. Pulaski for some time. I think of her as a local researcher and more recently involved in heir searches so I was surprised to find the following posted on the Association of Professional Genealogists mailing list. I was informed this morning that Sandra Stewart Shellhammer of Illiopolis, IL has passed away in the early hours of today. Sandy has always been a person who was willing to lend a helping when a question arose about IL research. Sandy's quiet assistance is what has made her great. I have known Sandy for many years and I truly feel the genealogy world will be less bright now that she has passed from the scene.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fsukim Surnames: LEE, REINHART, MORRIS, JACKSON Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1596/mb.ashx Message Board Post: anyone else researching these families??? i have not broken the 1800s with them yet.. help! lets exchange info! thanks, kim Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fsukim Surnames: LEE, REINHART, MORRIS, JACKSON Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.illinois.counties.logan/1595/mb.ashx Message Board Post: anyone else researching these families??? i have not broken the 1800s with them yet.. help! lets exchange info! thanks, kim Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

My apologies for my earlier message. I just read the message and didn't look at the subject line - a common fault! Then I assumed it was the Civil War, an unwarranted assumption. It is best, though, that you included the crux of your message within the body and not just in the subject line. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "j jnp" <wavy2n@hotmail.com> To: <IL-CENTRAL@rootsweb.com>; <ILKANKAK@rootsweb.com>; <ILLOGAN@rootsweb.com>; <ILTAZEWE@rootsweb.com>; <KYBRECKI@rootsweb.com>; <KYDAVIES@rootsweb.com>; <KYGRAYSO@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 12:16 PM Subject: [ILLOGAN] WW1 Vets and watches >I was told and shown a wristwatch that his ggrandfather received after the > war. He said that all the returning vets receiived one. I never hear > about > this. Has anyone else? His ggrandfather lived in Pa. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the device you want, with the Hotmail® you love. > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/mobilehotmail/default.mspx?WT.mc_ID=MobileHMTagline > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ________ > Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com > with unsubscribe as the subject. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not exactly correct on the NYT. They are making the last 20 years free and the years before 1923. The years between 1923 and 20 years ago are not free. They are copyright. There will be a charge. A great addition for researchers though. On 9/18/07, Vickie Howell <buttonsvh@psci.net> wrote: > > I just found these sites on other newsletters: thought it might help > someone. > > Internet Sources of German Genealogy > http://home.bawue.de/~hanacek/info/edatbase.htm > > > (this was writen 17 Sept 2007) > The New York Times will make much of it's archived content free > starting at midnight tonight. They go back to 1851. > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/business/media/18times.html?ex=1347768000&en=88011ab45717e39d&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink > > ________ > Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com > with unsubscribe as the subject. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just found these sites on other newsletters: thought it might help someone. Internet Sources of German Genealogy http://home.bawue.de/~hanacek/info/edatbase.htm (this was writen 17 Sept 2007) The New York Times will make much of it's archived content free starting at midnight tonight. They go back to 1851. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/business/media/18times.html?ex=1347768000&en=88011ab45717e39d&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink

Sorry but I thought I had put ww 1 in the subject. >From: "Richard A. Pence" <richardpence@pipeline.com> >Reply-To: illogan@rootsweb.com >To: <ILLOGAN@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] WWi watches >Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:59:37 -0400 > >"j jnp" <wavy2n@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >I was told and shown a wristwatch that his ggrandfather received after >the > > war. He said that all the returning vets receiived one. I never hear > > about > > this. Has anyone else? His ggrandfather lived in Pa. > >Well, if he got it "after the Civil War" it was quite a while after the >Civil War. A quick Google shows this: > >"The wristwatch was invented by Patek Philippe at the end of the 19th >century. At the time, it was considered a woman's accessory. (From Yahoo >Answers") > >Apparently someone has embellished the history of the watch you were shown. > >Richard P. >Fairfax, Virginia > >________ >Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > >To unsubscribe send a message to: >ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com >with unsubscribe as the subject. > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_MSNHMTxt_1

"j jnp" <wavy2n@hotmail.com> wrote: >I was told and shown a wristwatch that his ggrandfather received after the > war. He said that all the returning vets receiived one. I never hear > about > this. Has anyone else? His ggrandfather lived in Pa. Well, if he got it "after the Civil War" it was quite a while after the Civil War. A quick Google shows this: "The wristwatch was invented by Patek Philippe at the end of the 19th century. At the time, it was considered a woman's accessory. (From Yahoo Answers") Apparently someone has embellished the history of the watch you were shown. Richard P. Fairfax, Virginia

He probably received the watch during his World War I service rather than afterwards. During World War I, the U.S. Army required soldiers to use wristwatches rather pocket watches, and the returning veterans started a new fashion trend! Guy I. Colby IV Irving, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: j jnp To: ILLOGAN@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: [ILLOGAN] WWi watches I was told and shown a wristwatch that his ggrandfather received after the war. He said that all the returning vets receiived one. I never hear about this. Has anyone else? His ggrandfather lived in Pa. _________________________________________________________________ Share your special parenting moments! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________ Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan To unsubscribe send a message to: ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com with unsubscribe as the subject. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was told and shown a wristwatch that his ggrandfather received after the war. He said that all the returning vets receiived one. I never hear about this. Has anyone else? His ggrandfather lived in Pa. _________________________________________________________________ Share your special parenting moments! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us

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If you read the whole story it says what will be available to the great unwashed masses is birth records 75 years old, death records 20 years old and marriage records 50 years old so it is within the laws and can be the actual record, no need for abstracts. I am assuming they digitalized everything. Only those within the law will be available. Logan County has no plans to digitalize their records unfortunately. Some of the probate files have been microfilmed because they ran out out of space to store the records. Let me say their records were microfilmed by a microfilm person and not a probate person so things are difficult to find, very time consuming and after a couple hours the staffer had only located one of the probates on the microfilm where it was supposed to be. We found some interesting things along the way though. Some of the records Logan County has in their marriage index could not be located. Some of the early record books are very fragile. There ARE some land records which survived the fire. On 9/11/07, cheryl kale <cheryl_kale2000@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hi Cheryl, > > Guess we've got to agree to disagree on this one. It seems pretty clear > to me and to others on my lists that they "digitized" the millions of birth, > marriage and death records that had been in storage. Digitized records are > not abstracts. Abstracts are created from manual entry of certain data. > > My main concern is how much will be charged for these records. I sure > hope they reduce it because they no longer need to manually look for them; > we'll be doing the searches. We'll see.....historically Chicago/Cook > Archives raise fees as much as the market will bear. > > I sure hope you get good news from Logan. I'd love to see some > automation helping us there. I started indexing one of the wills/probate > films from LDS but have not been able to complete it. I've got it on > permanent loan, paying $16.50 for that privilege, and I can't get there. > Maybe LDS will digitize those? Or maybe Logan Co will. > > Cheryl > > Cheryl Rothwell <historysleuth@gmail.com> wrote: > The Tribune is a pain in the rear. They only keep those available a > short > period. > > I saw this on another list referencing a WGN story. It is unclear whether > these are the documents or an abstract. The law remains 75 years on birth > and 20 on death so one would assume they are abstracts but you just never > know. As downstaters have always known, Cook County is a law until itself. > > > I will be discussing this with the Logan County Clerks today and tomorrow > to > see if they have any such plans. They have already microfilmed a lot of > old > files. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who > knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > ________ > Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com > with unsubscribe as the subject. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The link yielded me a page not found Cheryl Rothwell <historysleuth@gmail.com> wrote: The Tribune is a pain in the rear. They only keep those available a short period. I saw this on another list referencing a WGN story. It is unclear whether these are the documents or an abstract. The law remains 75 years on birth and 20 on death so one would assume they are abstracts but you just never know. As downstaters have always known, Cook County is a law until itself. I will be discussing this with the Logan County Clerks today and tomorrow to see if they have any such plans. They have already microfilmed a lot of old files. On 9/10/07, cheryl kale wrote: > > Hi List, > > Though this is not directly related to Logan, I know many of you have > ties to Cook County. I just wanted you to know that there was a press > release last Thursday; BMD will be placed online in January, if all goes as > planned! > > I knew a project was in the works, but I had no idea it was this > massive. The records have already been digitized, and are being loaded to > the server at the rate of ONE MILLION per week! Unreal! I sure hope it > doesn't crash. > > For more info here is the url: > www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-digitize_websep07,0,401232.story > > Please note the hyphen as well as the underscore; those are zeroes in > the above. > > I hope this helps some of you. > > Cheryl Kale > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car > Finder tool. > ________ > Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com > with unsubscribe as the subject. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ________ Logan County ILGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan To unsubscribe send a message to: ILLOGAN-request@Rootsweb.com with unsubscribe as the subject. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ILLOGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Life is not a dress rehearsal!

Hi Cheryl, Guess we've got to agree to disagree on this one. It seems pretty clear to me and to others on my lists that they "digitized" the millions of birth, marriage and death records that had been in storage. Digitized records are not abstracts. Abstracts are created from manual entry of certain data. My main concern is how much will be charged for these records. I sure hope they reduce it because they no longer need to manually look for them; we'll be doing the searches. We'll see.....historically Chicago/Cook Archives raise fees as much as the market will bear. I sure hope you get good news from Logan. I'd love to see some automation helping us there. I started indexing one of the wills/probate films from LDS but have not been able to complete it. I've got it on permanent loan, paying $16.50 for that privilege, and I can't get there. Maybe LDS will digitize those? Or maybe Logan Co will. Cheryl Cheryl Rothwell <historysleuth@gmail.com> wrote: The Tribune is a pain in the rear. They only keep those available a short period. I saw this on another list referencing a WGN story. It is unclear whether these are the documents or an abstract. The law remains 75 years on birth and 20 on death so one would assume they are abstracts but you just never know. As downstaters have always known, Cook County is a law until itself. I will be discussing this with the Logan County Clerks today and tomorrow to see if they have any such plans. They have already microfilmed a lot of old files. --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.