In a message dated 6/8/99 3:15:44 PM Mountain Daylight Time, clrothwell@mindspring.com writes: << Dr. John Vallentine is probably THE most reputable Lucas researcher for GOOD! Because I already copied his information into my files! Shauna

Cheryl, I'll need to check that out at the FHC. I tried looking at the online site and no submitters are listed, so I don't know if it was Vallentine or not. My father-in-law did buy one of his books last year. Is he not very reputable or something? I got a lot of my Lucas information from him. Just wondering, Shauna

Nancy, what is the 'Old Mt. Pulaski House' that you refer to in your query? Do you mean the court house? Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com Coordinator, Logan County, ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com Harding mailing list> HARDING-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing Lucas query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas

I searched all my Ryans although my great grandfather was the only one to live in Mt. Pulaski. His family did not take kindly to him marrying a Protestant so in 1890 he came to Mt. Pulaski where his wife was from. All of the rest of his family was in Kansas and were never heard from again until after he died. I checked the Green book [the original basic source for Mt. Pulaski] - no other Ryans in it. I find it a bit odd since your grandmother didn't die until 1954. Perhaps none of her family was left there, all having removed to Lincoln and other parts. Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com Coordinator, Logan County, ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com Harding mailing list> HARDING-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing Lucas query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas

Earliene Kaelin, who is also the DeWitt County Coordinator, has a way around the copyright issue on obits that I am willing to try. You abstract the obits published after this date in 1924 using the following form and we use that. Name: Date of Obit/Paper: Born: Died: Parents: Married: Survivors: Funeral: Burial: Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com Coordinator, Logan County, ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com Harding mailing list> HARDING-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing Lucas query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas

I am seeking information on my ancestors from Mt. Pulaski and Lincoln. Especially my g grandparents James Thomas Ryan and his wife Arminda Jane Hedrick Ryan. All I know is that they were married sometime in 1888 and settled in Mt. Pulaski. He died on May 30, 1925. She was born onJan 14, 1863 near Olney, Richland County, Ill. to Alexander R. and Susan Hedrick. She died in Mt. Pulaski on Sept. 14, 1954. They had seven children: Charles, Errol, Wilbur, Cecil, Fayetta(my grandmother who lived in Lincoln.), Kenneth, and Ivan. I have a copy of her obit. and would like to know where I could or if anyone has a copy of his obit. I am from Lincoln myself. I was born there on Dec. 7, 1940 to the parents of Leslie Spidal Ross and Betty Jones(who was from Peru, Ind.). If anyone knows or has any information pertaining to my g grandparents or any of their ancestors or descedents and would be willing to share this with me I would be very grateful as I have hit a brick wall where it comes to my g grandfather James T. Ryan. You can reach me at my e-mail address:hallnancy@hotmail.com Thank you ahead of time for your help. Nancy Ross Hall help. Nancy Ross Hall

Do you know who submitted the Ancestral File material? If it was John Vallentine I'd believe it. He submitted a lot of the Lucas information. He's a pro from Brigham Young University. Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com Coordinator, Logan County, ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com Harding mailing list> HARDING-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing Lucas query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas

Those are the kids I have listed also. I haven't checked all the dates. Sometimes I have the names a bit different -- Margaret Lucinda rather than Lucinda Margaret for example. I also have Wiley married Sarah Phillipe, then Salina Sams. Phillipe could be a misprint of Phillips. They married a lot of Sams, Scroggins, Lucas and Copeland descendants. I have one Buckles and all of the Lucases as well as some Scroggins and Copelands. It gets pretty dizzy. Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com Coordinator, Logan County, ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com Harding mailing list> HARDING-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing Lucas query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas

Cheryl, This is what I have on the children of Mary "Polly" BIRKS & Robert BUCKLES. 1-William Rial BUCKLES b. 7/10/1819 White Co., IL d. 10/2/1885 Mt. Pulaski, Logan Co., IL married: Mary Ann SCROGGIN on 10/12/1841 2-Jeremiah Birks BUCKLES b. 11/3/1820 d. 10/11/1885 married Mary COPELAND in 1842 3-John BUCKLES b. 10/7/1822 White Co., IL d. 7/6/1909 buried: Steenbergen Cemetery, Logan Co., IL married: Esther Jane SCROGGIN in 12/1847 4-Elizabeth Ann BUCKLES b. 5/3/1824 d. 7/26/1901 buried: Steenbergen Cemetery married: Samuel Miller COPELAND on 3/15/1840 5-Levina BUCKLES b. 1/30/1826 Logan Co., IL d. 1/16/1863 buried: Steenbergen Cemetery, married: Leonard Kirby SCROGGIN 6-Andrew BUCKLES b. 12/20/1827 d. 8/19/1907 buried: Steenbergen Cemetery, married: Mary Elizabeth Whitesides 7-Peter BUCKLES b. 1829 d. 4/25/1838 buried: Steenbergen Cemetery 8-Chalton C. BUCKLES b. 2/8/1833 d. 6/26/1879 married: Elizabeth Ann TURLEY 9-Mary Jane BUCKLES b. 2/8/1834 married: 1)Thomas Franklin LUCAS 2) Abner COPELAND 10-Robert BUCKLES b. 2/10/1836 White Co., IL married 1)Lucy TURLEY 2)Miss SMITH 11-Wiley BUCKLES b. 4/11/1838 d. 1888 married: 1)Sarah PHILLIPS 2)Mary Lily 3)Annie STEPHENSON 12-Henry Harrison BUCKLES b. 5/13/1840 d. 5/16/1901 Sedan, KS married: Emily L. SAMS on 7/18/1858 13-Sarah Jane BUCKLES b. 10/13/1842 d. 4/19/1903 married: Henry FREEMAN 14-Elmira Jemima BUCKLES b. 9/14/1844 d. 1895 married: William R. Hughes SAMS. 15-Lucinda Margaret BUCKLES b. 9/10/1846 d. 3/22/1915 married: Daniel Dodge HANDLIN I believe that I saw a letter or something submitted by Mary herself to a county history that she stated they had 15 children and raised 14 of them to adulthood. I may be mistaken though and if I locate it, I will be sure to let you know. Laurie

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The particular Buckles I was asking about had so many children they married into almost all the families -- that's what I was trying to straighten out. A couple of them managed to get into my tree. I haven't followed the Buckles line, just picked up a couple. Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com Coordinator, Logan County, ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com Harding mailing list> HARDING-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing Lucas query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas

Hi Rochelle, Yes, I remember you! I'm trying to find out the parentage of one John Williams married to Marcy Jane Lucas. The confusing thing is that the information I find in the Ancestral File contains different information than the family information I've gotten from family group sheets. I don't know if we're dealing with two different people or what!! Anyway, I know the guy had parents, and I'm bound and determined to find them. I'm waiting for the 1850 census to come on line, because according to the family group sheets, my John Williams died in 1844, so if he's still listed in the 1850 census, then Ancestral File is probably right. If not, the family group records are right and someone has recorded the wrong Williams line into Ancestral File. And that was probably more information than you wanted to know. Thanks for letting me vent and thanks for the information on the employment section on the 1840 census. Little by little my 'brickwall' is coming down!! Shauna

Hi Shauna, You and I have both corresponded before. I think the 2nd column on the 1840 census is agriculture. I hope you will be able to locate your "brickwall." Sincerely, Rochelle Johnson of Missouri

The second column was agriculture. It was the primary occupation of almost everyone in the county. I'm glad you found someone. Makes it all worthwhile. When the 1850 census goes up I'll let everyone know. The anticipated time was 2nd or 3rd week of June so it should be soon. Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com Coordinator, Logan County, ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com Harding mailing list> HARDING-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing Lucas query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas

Just saw the post on the surname of Buckles which caught my eye. I'm researching Mann P. Buckles b. Aug.1858 and m. 12 mar.1893 in Christian Co. Il. to Martha Aiken. Both are buried in the Oak Hill cem. Sangamon Co. Il. Is this any of your Buckles? Need parents, siblings, and children of Mann P. and Martha. Thanks Lura

Finally working on some of my own lines... I am trying to verify a list of children for Robert Buckles [1798-1866] and Mary 'Polly' Birks [1803-1888]. I have 13 children and someone else thinks 15 but can't list them. I am also trying to straighten out the children of John Buckles and Esther Jane Scroggin. Does anyone on the list have any information on these two Buckles? Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com Coordinator, Logan County, ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com Harding mailing list> HARDING-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing Lucas query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas

I am almost 100% positive I found my husband's brickwall relative in the Logan County 1840 census! However, could someone please tell me what job was listed in the 2nd column of the employment section? The first column was mining, and my husband's relative's job was checked in the second column, but I couldn't make out what it was. One last question that has probably already been asked and answered, but is the 1850 census out and online, and if so, what is the site address? My thanks to everyone who contributed to providing this information. Shauna mdavis1175@aol.com

The worst page I've noted was the first actual page of census data following the summary. S&K did a good job. Well worth the money. The 1850 census should be out shortly. Cheryl Rothwell LoganCty@mindspring.com Coordinator, Logan County, ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~illogan/loindex.htm Logan County mailing list> LOGAN-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing mailing list> DOWNING-L-request@rootsweb.com Harding mailing list> HARDING-L-request@rootsweb.com Downing query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Downing Lucas query board> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Lucas

Cheryl -- We, too, use Netscape. So far what we have seen has looked just fine. Keep up the good work. By the way, the 1840 census sheets are amazingly clear. Carolyn Chapman

Hey Cheryl... Just came out of there and I thought it was great - didn't even need my glasses. I have Netscape also. Marilyn - Fla clrothwell@mindspring.com wrote: > So far, most people are saying they use IE. I know those with AOL addresses > use either the AOL browser or Netscape. I was wondering why no one pointed > out the wonky font sizes on the main page to me. It REALLY looks wierd to > me in Netscape. I'm working on it. >