Is there anyone researching the MEADOWS surname from Logan County? With the new state Archives up, I have just found my long lost Great Uncle John S. Beaty who married Mary P. MEADOWS. I did not know who he married and have very little information on him after the Civil War. Armond C. Beaty

I am working with the Honor Roll published in 1929. Would someone with the set of Logan Co. Cemetery books, look the following up and tell me where they are correctly buried? Burton View - William H. Green d 1/19/1923 Chestnut in Chestnut Township is also called what? The following are buried there Morris, Hailton 11-28-1927; Baker, Samuel; Clark, Michael; Norton, John; Walker, James, plus more. Constant at Corrland? Criland is the last name of several. Should this be the Cemetery at Cornland? Cornland in Corland Twp? - There is one in Mt. Pulaski Twp Capp, Thos. W. d 1-1890 Downing in Mt. Pulaski Township? William Downing and Robert Johnston Jerome Culp d 1/8/1926 buried in Illini. Middletown Cemetery - Whiteman, H. N., JJ and Robert S. Mt. Hope in Bell?? Where is Bell? George Allen Bebinger, Fredrick d 2/4/1921 is listed as New Holland. Which Unions Station - Attebery, WM. Joan Black Lund j-lund@uiuc.edu http://staff.uiuc.edu/~j-lund/joan.html For the program I use for genealogy see http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/

Hi Cheryl, I just wanted to let you know my email server changed so I decided to change the whole thing. I'll be unsubscribing and subscribing under my new address. I have two LINSON queries (3-28-99) (4-27-99). They are both outdated. Would you please just delete them? I'll be preparing a new one soon. Also, on the 'Surnames We Are Researching', under the Linson Group, would you please change my email address to: marge16@alltel.net. I can get mail at both places so there's no big rush. Thanks! Marge in Nebraska

Penny, George and other Stoll Logan County Researchers, hello! I was very excited to read your recent correspondence concerning the Roos family, as I have contradictory information about Mary Roos (Maria B. Roos), who married my great grandfather, Jacob C. Stoll, son of Erhard Sr. I have been trying to identify her parents; what I have from my grandmother is that she was born in Kentucky and moved to Logan COunty as a young girl; her parents were John and Catherine; John was born in Wurttemberg. This seems to match Penny's group of Johannes m. Eva Katherine, although Mary/Maria isn't listed in her group of children. Of course, from another unidentified source, I have her father as Christian! Mary Roos was born Feb. 6, 1852, married Jacob C. Stoll Feb. 21, 1873 and died March 5, 1914 in Mitchell, SD. It is interesting that a generation later, Stolls and Rooses would intermarry again. Another research, Ronald Balow of Wheaton who is connected through the Matthew Stoll/Gelbach line, also has Mary/Maria B. Roos born in Kentucky. And George, I apoligize; I thought I had sent you the recent family information. I will send it to you in a separate e-mail, figuring no one but us is interested! So my question, Penny and George, is: Johannes Roos m. Eva Katherine Stoll (b. 1830); is it Eva's birth date or Johannes? Good to hear from you! Charlotte Payne clpayne@ucdavis.edu

I recieved this from another list and thought it something that should be passed along. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Tysgrl@aol.com> > To: <JOHNSON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 11:59 AM > Subject: [JOHNSON-L] High School Alumni Site > > > > Hi all! > > A friend sent me this site, and when I saw it I thought it might be a good > > resource for genealogists. Hope this helps someone. > > > > http://www.highschoolalumni.com >High School Alumni - A > Web Site > > For Alumni of US High Schools</A> > > > > Jeannine/Pittsburgh > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/fl2/johnsonroots/index.html

Never having looked at an immigrant record I don't know. However, my guess is it refers to the original source of that particular record and somewhere there is guide to the source code. Where did you get the immigrant record? Look at the beginning of your source and see if there is legend or list of source codes. There is a book called 'Passenger and Immigration Lists Bibliography, 1538-1900' by P. William Filby and it lists about 2600 published sources. Each source has a number. It is considered THE most comprehensive [but is certainly not the only] list of such records. He also has an ongoing work indexing all published lists. Dource codes could refer to numbers in Filby's book or another similiar book. Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com

Dear Carolyn, I was just sure someone else would as this........ To me, these days almost any snippet of information can be stored with similar bits of information in a file. Each snippet would be called a "record." I'm having the same problem your having: You said: "In an immigration record there is a number called The Source Code. -The Source Code is a "code indicating the specific source containing the immigrant record"." Where did you find the Immigration Record your talking about or what is the name of the file this record is stored in? Is it on a CD, Is it on microfilm at your regional NARA? at a Family History center/ A book at the local library? I may not be able to help but I bet I'm not the only one feeling verrrrrry confused .... Thanks, Penny > > Bill and Carolyn Spanier wrote: > > > > This doesn't belong on the Logan County site, but I could use some help. > > > > In an immigration record there is a number called The Source Code. -The Source Code is a "code indicating the specific source containing the immigrant record". What is this SPECIFIC SOURCE? Are there books containing these numbers telling where to conduct a further search, and if so where might these be? > > > > Thanks, Carolyn

Great questions!! I've been puzzled by the same problem. I will hope that you get a response to this posted to the group but if you get an answer that's NOT posted to the group, I hope you'll send it on to me too. Thanks, Judy Bill and Carolyn Spanier wrote: > > This doesn't belong on the Logan County site, but I could use some help. > > In an immigration record there is a number called The Source Code. -The Source Code is a "code indicating the specific source containing the immigrant record". What is this SPECIFIC SOURCE? Are there books containing these numbers telling where to conduct a further search, and if so where might these be? > > Thanks, Carolyn > > ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== > To post a message so everyone on ILLOGAN-L or ILLOGAN-D receives it, send the message to: ILLOGAN-L@rootsweb.com > It will then be sent on to everyone in both ILLOGAN-L or ILLOGAN-D.

But it is true... Rootsweb has had a server crash. Before they could get it repaired and up a semitrailer truck took out the high-voltage power lines across I-5 [in California] and everything within 20 miles of the Pine Mountain NOC is without power. Rootsweb is running on batteries and generators now. If you have a message for a Rootsweb mailing list that can wait let it wait so we don't crash the servers that are still running. You may have trouble with the county web pages so you might want to put a visit off until tomorrow. Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com

Yes. It is not uncommon for the mother's family to take in the motherless children and the father to do something else, perhaps even move away. This may not have been as cold as it sounds -- he may have gone somewhere where he could make more money and have sent it back. Each of mother's siblings may have taken one child, not too much to ask perhaps whereas asking one sibling to take all the children would be. I see it all the time in family trees. Sometimes a family has children of several siblings. But it is not that uncommon even in more modern times. Of course, he may have left the kids and moved on. Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com

Can anyone tell me what might have been happening in the 1890s in Logan county that would leave behind orphans? Did the family have to make formal adoption placement for the children to live with relatives? I have a family that left behind at least two sets of children from deceased parents. James and Annie (Mohan) Moloney were married in 1889 and at least Annie was deceased by 1900. The children were placed with sisters of Annie. In 1900 William Moloney was with the John & Mary (Mohan) Hickey family in Lincoln and Margaret Moloney was living with her aunt Bertha (Mohan) Convery in Springfield with Bertha's family. In the 1905 will of the Wm Mowen he mentioned his two sets of grandchildren. There are the children of his deceased daughter Margaret (Mohan) Ryan; James Ryan living in Delevan and Margaret (Maggie) Ryan living in Odell. He also listed his deceased daughter Anna Mohan Moloney's children; William living in Logan and Margaret living in Springfield. I haven't found death information on either of the sets of parents yet. Would the children have been placed in relative's homes if the fathers were still alive? Thank you for any ideas or information. Sharon mnsajt@aol.com or mnsajt@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

This doesn't belong on the Logan County site, but I could use some help. In an immigration record there is a number called The Source Code. -The Source Code is a "code indicating the specific source containing the immigrant record". What is this SPECIFIC SOURCE? Are there books containing these numbers telling where to conduct a further search, and if so where might these be? Thanks, Carolyn

Penny-- Actually, I was raised in Logan County, left for college and career, then returned to one county north of there -- McLean County -- when I retired last year. But that is close enough to make contact occasionally. My Aunt Ferne Irwin was a career schoolteacher who never married. After a stint at country schools, she moved to the Chicago suburbs and taught HS Home Economics. For a long time, she subscribed to the Lincoln Courier and regularly cut out obituaries and other items on all sorts of people. She compiled handwritten notes by family name which comprise over 25 spiral bound volumes that must average an inch thick. These were donated to the Lincoln Public Library after her death, copies were made, and the copies are available on the genealogy shelves for public use. I believe the original clippings and notes may also be in the library, but are in more fragile condition. In fact, I only learned of this resource recently. From my brief experience in looking at them, she has a wealth of information which can serve as a starting point for persons who like to assemble more formal proof documents. I know there are mistakes -- for example, she has mixed the offspring of Erhard Stoll, Jr. with those of Erhard Sr. But using her notes is better than starting with a clean slate!! Now to Roos family --- Her notes show a John Roos, born in Germany. I presume that is Johannes in your listing, married to a Mary Stoll. Their son, Christian Gottleib Roos (b 1870) married Anna Christina Rentschler. Six children: Richard J. Roos (1890-1974) married Mary Anne Christina Richner (1891-1985). Netta Roos married Rollie Walkin. Elmer M. Roos (1895-1971) married Florence Richner, daughter of Henry and Emma Stoll Richner. Herbert F. Roos (1896- ?) married Edith Barthel. Fern Roos married Walter Riddle and then John Hassebrock. Florence Roos married Oscar Frahlman. The listing showed the following siblings to Christian G. Roos: 2. J. Frederick Roos (1869-1954) married Elizabeth Wellhoff, producing a son, Leonard Edwin Roos (1910-1982), who had a son of his own, Frederick Roos (1954). 3. Carl Otto Roos (1872-1952) married Alvina A. Danner Leimbach. Her first husband was George "Mike" Leimbach (another common pioneer name in the Chestnut area) She had one child from each marriage --- Lucille Leimbach (m. Lee Cooper) and Charles Frederick Roos (m. Anna Hassebrock). 4. Ernest T. Roos (1875) married Anna Steffens and produced Pearl and Viola. He later married Lena Mueller Schaefer and adopted her daughter, Helen Schaefer. Helen married Harold Opperman. 5. George Roos married Emma Gehlbach, daughter of David and Barbara Gehlbach. They had 2 sons and a daughter. Florence Roos 1897-1976) married Vincent Dierker and had a son, Eldon. Harold Roos (1903-1986) married Rebecca Cross, producing 3 sons and a daughter: Hervil, Harold Dean, Marlin, and Melba. Wilbur Roos (1913-1986 married Florence Van Hook, progeny were Wilbur Jr. and Janice. 6. Katherine "Kate" Roos. No further information. 7. Mary Roos married Jacob Stoll (youngest son of Erhard and Mary Agnes Rentschler Stoll). They had 4 daughters and 2 sons. Fannie Stoll married Fred Schaffenacker, with daughters Lottie and Helen, who married Fred Awe. Lydia Stoll and Louis Stoll -- no information. Marie Stoll (1884-1979) married Richard Minder. Carrie Stoll (1885-1935) married Louis F. Leimbach - sons Clifford and Cleatus. Herman Stoll moved to California. Was married, but I do not have the names. Gave your name to their granddaughter, who is a librarian at UC Davis. Need to fill this gap. 8. Lena Roos (1880 - ?) married Louis Kusterer. (I see you have this family name in your memo). They had a daughter Clara who married Louis Schaefer and raised two daughters -- Mildred and Della. 9. Rose Roos No information. 10. John A. Roos (1890-1954) marrien Cora Andern and has a son Wilbur. ************************* Let me repeat that this is all the result of my aunt's hobby of tracking local families, based largely on information in the newspapers, and that she did the work from 140 miles away in a Chicago suburb. But it has proven to be generally correct and quite helpful. Penny, with your energy I fully expect that you will reassemble this cast back in Maisenbach, Germany, and trace them backward through a few more generations of intermarriage! Nor is it confined to the German Ancestry. I find that the Scots Irish Irwins came to the US from Ireland and settled down the road from the Robinsons, who were also their neighbors in County Tyrone. Took about 3 generations before marriages across nationality backgrounds became common. Cheerio!

Subject was: William Williams & Retta Howe. Sorry I changed the subject but it may help Roos family members find this info. Hi George, I lied, didn't I? I've had contact with 1 relative in Logan County, George Irwin! We share Stoll ancestors. I updated my records with the info on the Roos brothers. Thank you much. What is the title of your Aunt's work? How about this grouping? I have them sittng in my file as a group but without further linkage: Jacob Roos d. 1859 in Illinois m. Anna Rosina Hafele | Johannes Roos m. Eva Katherine Stoll (b. 1830, Maisenbach, Neuenbuerg) all children - no dates but born Beason, Logan Co., Illinois | | Christian 2 Roos | | J. "Frederick" Roos | | George Roos | | Carl Otto Roos | | Ernest Roos | | Catherine Roos | | Rosina Roos | Christian Roos Then I have a Carl Otto Roos b. 1873, d. 1929, married an Alvina Danner I suspect the 2 Carls are the same but since he could be "Jr." I don't want to make a connection. Anyone have any input? Thanks, again, George. Penny (Richner) Husler - ----------------------------------------------------- George Irwin wrote: > Turns out that Richard J. (1890) and Elmer > Matthew (1895) Roos were the > first and third sons of Christian Gottleib Roos > (1870) and Anna > Christina Rentschler. They had 5 other children. > > Christian's father was John Roos, born in > Germany, and Mary Stoll. He > had about 9 brothers and sisters. > > I have a bit more detail from notes left me by > an aunt, who tracked > local families as a hobby (copies in the > Lincoln, Il. Library). She has > some errors, but it is a good place to start. > > By now, it must be obvious to you that half a > dozen German immigrant > Lutheran families in the Chestnut area > immigrated at about the same > time, and their large families commonly > intermarried over the succeeding > generations.

John Daly, Director of the Illinois State Archives, gave a speech some time back on using your 'genealogical power.' I note it is now available online at: http://www.ancestry.com/magazine/articles/genpower.htm He says genealogists need to stand up for what they want, demand it. Here's the first two paragraphs. The rest can be found at the URL above. It's definitely food for thought. "I should begin by stating that I am writing not as a genealogist, but as a working archivist. My opinions arise from what I see of genealogists from that viewpoint and, thereby, what I see as strategic courses useful to genealogists. "By the term "genealogical power," I mean the leverage that genealogists and family historians have upon public archival agencies in the United States--or the power that they should exercise as the overwhelming majority of users of those archives. Archimedes said, regarding the simple yet powerful tool, the lever, "Give me but a point on which to stand and with it I could move the earth itself." Family historians need a point to stand upon in order to utilize the power of the lever that they hold. I will explain what I mean by this." Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com

'Buried at Mt. Pulaski' and buried in Mt. Pulaski Cemetery are different. There are many other options for cemeteries in the Mt. Pulaski area. Don't redo your research just yet. In fact, in checking further, I find: Frederick Richner 1821-June 20, 1871, Christina Richner, his wife, 1831-1906, William, son of C & F Richner, Sept 2, 1869-Oct 7, 1898 Wilhelm F. Richner 1894-19__, Pearl G. Richner, wife, 1899-1931 I'm not sure how I missed those before. I was checking Ruechner and there are none but since I found one set of Richners I don't know how I missed the others. Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com

Two brothers marrying two sisters or any combination of siblings marrying siblings was extremely common. I have two Downing lines and in one generation three siblings of one line married three siblings of the other -- no names changed but the confusion grew! Marriages of first cousins were also very common. You had to marry what was available, often within whatever restrictions your family might apply such as religion. The choices were limited. Cheryl Rothwell clrothwell@mindspring.com

Penny Turns out that Richard J. (1890) and Elmer Matthew (1895) Roos were the first and third sons of Christian Gottleib Roos (1870) and Anna Christina Rentschler. They had 5 other children. Christian's father was John Roos, born in Germany, and Mary Stoll. He had about 9 brothers and sisters. I have a bit more detail from notes left me by an aunt, who tracked local families as a hobby (copies in the Lincoln, Il. Library). She has some errors, but it is a good place to start. By now, it must be obvious to you that half a dozen German immigrant Lutheran families in the Chestnut area immigrated at about the same time, and their large families commonly intermarried over the succeeding generations.

Hi Cheryl, Thanks so much for taking the time to do that look up. I'm glad to hear there isn't a Ruechner that means it could be a misspelling and that avenue remains open. I could have sworn Frederick and Christina were buried at Mt Pulaski. Now I'll have to redo my research. Gotta hate that. Regarding the Richners you found: Carl is Frederick's 1st son, Agnes (Stoll) died a year before their baby Rena leaving 4 additional children under the age of 12. Thanks again for the help, Penny (Richner) Husler clrothwell@mindspring.com wrote: > I hate to tell you this but my Mt. Pulaski Cemetery listing goes from > Rothwell to Sallee, no Ruechner. There is a Richner, Carl and Agnes > Elizabeth and their two year old Rena. > > Cheryl Rothwell

Dear Alberta, Thank you so much for your efforts listing your Williams information. It helps me make the links between families knowing who doesn't work. I believe with the Williams surname, I may be in for alot of that. The Williams family that you listed and that were the neighbors of the Richner's for many years act as a beacon in my research. So many of our microfilm copies are barely legible and in addition the names are misspelled. Having the Williams family next door helps me locate my Richners. It's even fun to find out they lived "North." It's one more mental image. Regarding the Richners that you knew. Richner is a fairly rare name in the US. It's pretty much guaranteed if they live in the immediate area of Logan they are related and so am I. Here's an abreviated listing of decendents. Many of the next generation are still living and I don't wish to be intrusive. I was born the the San Francisco Bay Area and have lived here all my life. I've never visited Illinois or had any contact with my Logan family. I just started with my Baby Book and worked my way backward. Unless Carl Frederick was born later, it looks like the following listing but I'm still trying to piece together the details. I think it's cute that the 2 Richner boys married the Stoll Girls. Are the 2 Roos men brothers? Does anyone know? Thank you again, Penny (Richner) Husler Frederick Richner m. 1st Wife (name unknown) | Carl Frederic "Charles" Richner* m. Agnes Elizabeth "Lizzie" Stoll | | Mary Anna Christina Richner m. Richard J. Roos | | Levena Lillie "Leonnie" Richner m. Clemens Wachter | | Wilhelm Frederick Erhardt Richner* m. Pearl Gertrude Williams | | | Charles Harrison Richner --------------- (My father) | | Wilhelm Frederick Erhardt Richner* 2nd m. living +child | | Emma E. Richner* m. Ernest Davidson | | Emma E. Richner* 2nd m. Ephfrin Birks | | Rena S. [Orena] Richner | Carl Frederic "Charles" Richner* 2nd m. Louanna (unknown) Frederick Richner* 2nd m. Christina (Richner) | Mattie Richner | Henry A. Richner m. Emma C. Stoll | | Florence A. Richner m. Elmer Matthew Roos | | Walter Henry Richner m. Sara "Josephine" Gardner | William Richner Dear Penny: > I don't know if this will be of any help. I have noticed your name on > the ILLOGAN list several times and wondered if you were related to the > Richner's that I knew. I taught Fair Haven School in 1945-46; twins > Marvin & Ray and their younger brother Neil Richner were among my > students. They were sons of Walter & Josephine Richner who lived north > of the Frank Williams farm. Today my friend and 4th cousin Jessie Ruth > Myrick Stogdell owns and lives on that farm which belonged to her Uncle > Frank. Her mother was Ruth Williams Myrick. > Sincerely, > Alberta McKinley Lisk > Descendants of William Williams > > 1 William WILLIAMS b: Abt. 1820 > . +Ruth ELLIS b: Abt. 1820 m: Abt. 1839 > ..... 2 William Ellis WILLIAMS b: 04 May, 1840 New York d: 1928 ------------------- Snip -------------------