I don't know and I don't think you can gather anything from the wording of pleadings. There's always a way to say something and make it better [or worse] than it is. "that during the whole of his said married life, your orator has treated the said Eliza C. Pierce in a proper, kind and indulgent manner..." We still say garbage like that today and it is still baloney. <g> Hell hath no fury and all that. What happened to her after that? Did she marry Milo? Is the attorney Hobbitt or Hoblit? I suspect Hoblit. It's probably "being fully advised in the premises..." Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -----Original Message----- From: Joan Lund [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 3:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ILLOGAN] Pierce Divorce Think she was set-up? Joan --- Cheryl Rothwell <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's not nice to like your husband's relatives more than your > husband??? > > Today if she were in default for failure to plead or appear they > wouldn't have to hear the testimony. > > Cheryl Rothwell > [email protected] > Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional > Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joan Lund [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 11:53 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ILLOGAN] Pierce Divorce > > Let me know your thought after you read this. > Joan > > State of Illinois in the Circuit Court, Logan Co., IL to the May Term > A.D. > 1881 Hiram L. Pierce vs Eliza C. Pierce, bill for divorce - > And now on this day came the complainant Hiram L. > Perce by J. T. Hobbit, his solicitor, and this cause having come to be > heard upon the bill of complaint herein and the said defendeant Eliza > C. Pierce having been duly served with process of summons in this > cuase, more than ten days prior to the first day of the present term > of this court which to the court here appears from an _____ of the > summons issued in this cause and the return _____ of the sheriff of > said Logan County to whom said summons was directed to Execute. And > the said defendant, Eliza C. Pierce having __________ (missed a whole > line), Bill, came not, but herein wolly made default, and the court > having ordered that the said bill or complaint and the matters and > things therein charged and contained be taken as confessed by the said > defendant and the court having heard the oral testimony of witnesses > sworn and examined in open court and also having heard the argument of > counsel and being fully advised in the ________ and on consideration > thereof doth find that this court has jurisdiction of the respective > parties, and the __________ of this suit and that each and everyone > the material allegations in complaintant bill of complaint are true. > That on the day of (blank), A.D. 1860 the complainant and defendant > were lawfully married in Logan County, Illinois, and that they > cohabited and lived together as husband and wife until Tuesday, April > 5th, 1881, that in the evening of the 5th day of April A.D. 1881 at > the house of the complainant in the county of Logan aforesaid and at > divers other times at the _____ place prior to the date last aforesaid > and since, said marriage of the said defendant Eliza C. Pierce has > committed adultery and had sexual intercourse with one Milo L. Pierce, > that the said defendant Eliza C. Pierce is a person wholly unfit to > have the care Custody countrol and education of children. It is > therefore order adjudged and decreed by the court that the marriage > between the complainant and the defendant be dissolved and the ____ is > hereby dissolved accordingly and the said parties are and each of them > is freed from the obligation there of. > It is further ordered adjudged and decreed by the court that the > complainant to have the care custody control and education of the > children named in complainants bill viz- Hiram S. Perice, Wilminnie > Pierce, Wiley M. > Pierce and Fanny Estella Pierce. > It is furthe ordered adjudged and decreed by the court that all of > the interest of said Eliza C. > Pierce, as wife... > > State of Illinois in the Circuit Court Logan Co., to the May Term AD > 1881 Hiram L. Pierce vs Eliza C. Pierce To the Honorable, the > presiding Judge of the Logan County Circuit Court in chancery sitting. > Your orator Hiram L. Pierce of Logan Co. in the State of Illinois in > chancery sitting., humbly complaining respectfully represent and > throws unto your Honor that on the day of _____AD, 1860 at and within > said County of Logan, your orator was lawfully joined in marriage to > one Elize C. Horn (now > Pierce) the defendant here in after named and that ever since his said > marriage hehas been and is now a resident of said Logan County. That > your orator lived and cohabited with the said Eliza C. > Pierce as her husband from > the time of said marriage until Monday, April 5th, 1881, at which time > your orator left the said Eliza C. - that during the whole of his said > married life, your orator has treated the said Eliza C. > Pierce in a proper, kind and > indulgent manner - That on Tuesday April 5, 1881, ____ at said county, > your orator becoming acquainted with the facts _______named set forth > he left the said Eliza C. and has refused to live and cohabit with her > since that time --. > Your orator further represents that on the night of Tuesday, April > 5th, > 1881 at his home in said Logan County and at divers other time at the > same place before the date last aofresaid and since said marriage the > said Eliza C. Pierce in utter disregard and in violation of her > marriage duties and obligations committeed adultry and had sexual > intercourse with one Milo L. > Pierce - Your orator further shows that the said Eliza C. and your > orator have had born until them as the result of said marriage, > children as follows to > wit: > Hirma. S. Pierce, aged 17 years > Wilminnie Pierce aged 14 years, > Wiley M. Pierce aged 11 years, > Fannie Estella Pierce aged 9 years. > All of said children being now alive and residing with your orator in > said Logan County. > For as much there as your orator is without _______ in the premises > exception a court of equity and to this end that the said Eliza C. > Pierce who is made a party defendant to this bill may be required to > make full true and direct answer to the same, though not under oath > - Answer under oath > being waived - And that the saie marriage between your orator and said > Elize C. Pierce may be dissolved and declared null and void by the > decree of this court according to the format of the Statute in such > case made and provided > - that your orator may be decreed the custody, control and education > of said children and that said Eliza C. > Pierce may by decree of this court be forever debarred of all dower > ________ or other statutory right or interest in and to the estate of > your orator. > And your orator prays for _____ children and further asked ______ > relief in the premises as the nature and equities of this case may > require and to your Honor shall seem mute. And your orator prays for > the the___________-in chancery dir______& c_______......Hiram L. > Pierce. > Hoblit, his solicitor. > > > ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are in mail mode, > send to [email protected] If you are receiving messages > in the digest mode, send to [email protected] > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release > Date: 3/24/2004 > > > > ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== > === message truncated === ===== Joan Black Lund [email protected] N9SYV ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are in mail mode, send to [email protected] If you are receiving messages in the digest mode, send to [email protected] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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It's not nice to like your husband's relatives more than your husband??? Today if she were in default for failure to plead or appear they wouldn't have to hear the testimony. Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -----Original Message----- From: Joan Lund [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 11:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ILLOGAN] Pierce Divorce Let me know your thought after you read this. Joan State of Illinois in the Circuit Court, Logan Co., IL to the May Term A.D. 1881 Hiram L. Pierce vs Eliza C. Pierce, bill for divorce - And now on this day came the complainant Hiram L. Perce by J. T. Hobbit, his solicitor, and this cause having come to be heard upon the bill of complaint herein and the said defendeant Eliza C. Pierce having been duly served with process of summons in this cuase, more than ten days prior to the first day of the present term of this court which to the court here appears from an _____ of the summons issued in this cause and the return _____ of the sheriff of said Logan County to whom said summons was directed to Execute. And the said defendant, Eliza C. Pierce having __________ (missed a whole line), Bill, came not, but herein wolly made default, and the court having ordered that the said bill or complaint and the matters and things therein charged and contained be taken as confessed by the said defendant and the court having heard the oral testimony of witnesses sworn and examined in open court and also having heard the argument of counsel and being fully advised in the ________ and on consideration thereof doth find that this court has jurisdiction of the respective parties, and the __________ of this suit and that each and everyone the material allegations in complaintant bill of complaint are true. That on the day of (blank), A.D. 1860 the complainant and defendant were lawfully married in Logan County, Illinois, and that they cohabited and lived together as husband and wife until Tuesday, April 5th, 1881, that in the evening of the 5th day of April A.D. 1881 at the house of the complainant in the county of Logan aforesaid and at divers other times at the _____ place prior to the date last aforesaid and since, said marriage of the said defendant Eliza C. Pierce has committed adultery and had sexual intercourse with one Milo L. Pierce, that the said defendant Eliza C. Pierce is a person wholly unfit to have the care Custody countrol and education of children. It is therefore order adjudged and decreed by the court that the marriage between the complainant and the defendant be dissolved and the ____ is hereby dissolved accordingly and the said parties are and each of them is freed from the obligation there of. It is further ordered adjudged and decreed by the court that the complainant to have the care custody control and education of the children named in complainants bill viz- Hiram S. Perice, Wilminnie Pierce, Wiley M. Pierce and Fanny Estella Pierce. It is furthe ordered adjudged and decreed by the court that all of the interest of said Eliza C. Pierce, as wife... State of Illinois in the Circuit Court Logan Co., to the May Term AD 1881 Hiram L. Pierce vs Eliza C. Pierce To the Honorable, the presiding Judge of the Logan County Circuit Court in chancery sitting. Your orator Hiram L. Pierce of Logan Co. in the State of Illinois in chancery sitting., humbly complaining respectfully represent and throws unto your Honor that on the day of _____AD, 1860 at and within said County of Logan, your orator was lawfully joined in marriage to one Elize C. Horn (now Pierce) the defendant here in after named and that ever since his said marriage hehas been and is now a resident of said Logan County. That your orator lived and cohabited with the said Eliza C. Pierce as her husband from the time of said marriage until Monday, April 5th, 1881, at which time your orator left the said Eliza C. - that during the whole of his said married life, your orator has treated the said Eliza C. Pierce in a proper, kind and indulgent manner - That on Tuesday April 5, 1881, ____ at said county, your orator becoming acquainted with the facts _______named set forth he left the said Eliza C. and has refused to live and cohabit with her since that time --. Your orator further represents that on the night of Tuesday, April 5th, 1881 at his home in said Logan County and at divers other time at the same place before the date last aofresaid and since said marriage the said Eliza C. Pierce in utter disregard and in violation of her marriage duties and obligations committeed adultry and had sexual intercourse with one Milo L. Pierce - Your orator further shows that the said Eliza C. and your orator have had born until them as the result of said marriage, children as follows to wit: Hirma. S. Pierce, aged 17 years Wilminnie Pierce aged 14 years, Wiley M. Pierce aged 11 years, Fannie Estella Pierce aged 9 years. All of said children being now alive and residing with your orator in said Logan County. For as much there as your orator is without _______ in the premises exception a court of equity and to this end that the said Eliza C. Pierce who is made a party defendant to this bill may be required to make full true and direct answer to the same, though not under oath - Answer under oath being waived - And that the saie marriage between your orator and said Elize C. Pierce may be dissolved and declared null and void by the decree of this court according to the format of the Statute in such case made and provided - that your orator may be decreed the custody, control and education of said children and that said Eliza C. Pierce may by decree of this court be forever debarred of all dower ________ or other statutory right or interest in and to the estate of your orator. And your orator prays for _____ children and further asked ______ relief in the premises as the nature and equities of this case may require and to your Honor shall seem mute. And your orator prays for the the___________-in chancery dir______& c_______......Hiram L. Pierce. Hoblit, his solicitor. ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are in mail mode, send to [email protected] If you are receiving messages in the digest mode, send to [email protected] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Think she was set-up? Joan --- Cheryl Rothwell <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's not nice to like your husband's relatives more > than your husband??? > > Today if she were in default for failure to plead or > appear they wouldn't > have to hear the testimony. > > Cheryl Rothwell > [email protected] > Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb > Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joan Lund [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 11:53 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [ILLOGAN] Pierce Divorce > > Let me know your thought after you read this. > Joan > > State of Illinois in the Circuit Court, Logan Co., > IL to the May Term A.D. > 1881 Hiram L. Pierce vs Eliza C. Pierce, bill for > divorce - > And now on this day came the complainant Hiram L. > Perce by J. T. Hobbit, his solicitor, and this cause > having come to be heard > upon the bill of complaint herein and the said > defendeant Eliza C. Pierce > having been duly served with process of summons in > this cuase, more than ten > days prior to the first day of the present term of > this court which to the > court here appears from an _____ of the summons > issued in this cause and the > return _____ of the sheriff of said Logan County to > whom said summons was > directed to Execute. And the said defendant, Eliza > C. Pierce having > __________ (missed a whole line), Bill, came not, > but herein wolly made > default, and the court having ordered that the said > bill or complaint and > the matters and things therein charged and contained > be taken as confessed > by the said defendant and the court having heard the > oral testimony of > witnesses sworn and examined in open court and also > having heard the > argument of counsel and being fully advised in the > ________ and on > consideration thereof doth find that this court has > jurisdiction of the > respective parties, and the __________ of this suit > and that each and > everyone the material allegations in complaintant > bill of complaint are > true. That on the day of (blank), A.D. 1860 the > complainant and defendant > were lawfully married in Logan County, Illinois, and > that they cohabited and > lived together as husband and wife until Tuesday, > April 5th, 1881, that in > the evening of the 5th day of April A.D. 1881 at the > house of the > complainant in the county of Logan aforesaid and at > divers other times at > the _____ place prior to the date last aforesaid and > since, said marriage of > the said defendant Eliza C. Pierce has committed > adultery and had sexual > intercourse with one Milo L. Pierce, that the said > defendant Eliza C. Pierce > is a person wholly unfit to have the care Custody > countrol and education of > children. It is therefore order adjudged and decreed > by the court that the > marriage between the complainant and the defendant > be dissolved and the ____ > is hereby dissolved accordingly and the said parties > are and each of them is > freed from the obligation there of. > It is further ordered adjudged and decreed by the > court that the > complainant to have the care custody control and > education of the children > named in complainants bill viz- Hiram S. Perice, > Wilminnie Pierce, Wiley M. > Pierce and Fanny Estella Pierce. > It is furthe ordered adjudged and decreed by the > court that all of the > interest of said Eliza C. > Pierce, as wife... > > State of Illinois in the Circuit Court Logan Co., to > the May Term AD 1881 > Hiram L. Pierce vs Eliza C. Pierce To the > Honorable, the presiding Judge of > the Logan County Circuit Court in chancery sitting. > Your orator Hiram L. Pierce of Logan Co. in the > State of Illinois in > chancery sitting., humbly complaining respectfully > represent and throws unto > your Honor that on the day of _____AD, 1860 at and > within said County of > Logan, your orator was lawfully joined in marriage > to one Elize C. Horn (now > Pierce) the defendant here in after named and that > ever since his said > marriage hehas been and is now a resident of said > Logan County. That your > orator lived and cohabited with the said Eliza C. > Pierce as her husband from > the time of said marriage until Monday, April 5th, > 1881, at which time your > orator left the said Eliza C. - that during the > whole of his said married > life, your orator has treated the said Eliza C. > Pierce in a proper, kind and > indulgent manner - That on Tuesday April 5, 1881, > ____ at said county, your > orator becoming acquainted with the facts > _______named set forth he left the > said Eliza C. and has refused to live and cohabit > with her since that time > --. > Your orator further represents that on the night > of Tuesday, April 5th, > 1881 at his home in said Logan County and at divers > other time at the same > place before the date last aofresaid and since said > marriage the said Eliza > C. Pierce in utter disregard and in violation of her > marriage duties and > obligations committeed adultry and had sexual > intercourse with one Milo L. > Pierce - Your orator further shows that the said > Eliza C. and your orator > have had born until them as the result of said > marriage, children as follows > to > wit: > Hirma. S. Pierce, aged 17 years > Wilminnie Pierce aged 14 years, > Wiley M. Pierce aged 11 years, > Fannie Estella Pierce aged 9 years. > All of said children being now alive and residing > with your orator in said > Logan County. > For as much there as your orator is without _______ > in the premises > exception a court of equity and to this end that the > said Eliza C. Pierce > who is made a party defendant to this bill may be > required to make full true > and direct answer to the same, though not under oath > - Answer under oath > being waived - And that the saie marriage between > your orator and said Elize > C. Pierce may be dissolved and declared null and > void by the decree of this > court according to the format of the Statute in such > case made and provided > - that your orator may be decreed the custody, > control and education of said > children and that said Eliza C. > Pierce may by decree of this court be forever > debarred of all dower ________ > or other statutory right or interest in and to the > estate of your orator. > And your orator prays for _____ children and further > asked ______ relief in > the premises as the nature and equities of this case > may require and to your > Honor shall seem mute. And your orator prays for the > the___________-in > chancery dir______& c_______......Hiram L. Pierce. > Hoblit, his solicitor. > > > ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are > in mail mode, send to > [email protected] If you are receiving > messages in the digest > mode, send to [email protected] > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release > Date: 3/24/2004 > > > > ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== > === message truncated === ===== Joan Black Lund [email protected] N9SYV

Let me know your thought after you read this. Joan State of Illinois in the Circuit Court, Logan Co., IL to the May Term A.D. 1881 Hiram L. Pierce vs Eliza C. Pierce, bill for divorce - And now on this day came the complainant Hiram L. Perce by J. T. Hobbit, his solicitor, and this cause having come to be heard upon the bill of complaint herein and the said defendeant Eliza C. Pierce having been duly served with process of summons in this cuase, more than ten days prior to the first day of the present term of this court which to the court here appears from an _____ of the summons issued in this cause and the return _____ of the sheriff of said Logan County to whom said summons was directed to Execute. And the said defendant, Eliza C. Pierce having __________ (missed a whole line), Bill, came not, but herein wolly made default, and the court having ordered that the said bill or complaint and the matters and things therein charged and contained be taken as confessed by the said defendant and the court having heard the oral testimony of witnesses sworn and examined in open court and also having heard the argument of counsel and being fully advised in the ________ and on consideration thereof doth find that this court has jurisdiction of the respective parties, and the __________ of this suit and that each and everyone the material allegations in complaintant bill of complaint are true. That on the day of (blank), A.D. 1860 the complainant and defendant were lawfully married in Logan County, Illinois, and that they cohabited and lived together as husband and wife until Tuesday, April 5th, 1881, that in the evening of the 5th day of April A.D. 1881 at the house of the complainant in the county of Logan aforesaid and at divers other times at the _____ place prior to the date last aforesaid and since, said marriage of the said defendant Eliza C. Pierce has committed adultery and had sexual intercourse with one Milo L. Pierce, that the said defendant Eliza C. Pierce is a person wholly unfit to have the care Custody countrol and education of children. It is therefore order adjudged and decreed by the court that the marriage between the complainant and the defendant be dissolved and the ____ is hereby dissolved accordingly and the said parties are and each of them is freed from the obligation there of. It is further ordered adjudged and decreed by the court that the complainant to have the care custody control and education of the children named in complainants bill viz- Hiram S. Perice, Wilminnie Pierce, Wiley M. Pierce and Fanny Estella Pierce. It is furthe ordered adjudged and decreed by the court that all of the interest of said Eliza C. Pierce, as wife... State of Illinois in the Circuit Court Logan Co., to the May Term AD 1881 Hiram L. Pierce vs Eliza C. Pierce To the Honorable, the presiding Judge of the Logan County Circuit Court in chancery sitting. Your orator Hiram L. Pierce of Logan Co. in the State of Illinois in chancery sitting., humbly complaining respectfully represent and throws unto your Honor that on the day of _____AD, 1860 at and within said County of Logan, your orator was lawfully joined in marriage to one Elize C. Horn (now Pierce) the defendant here in after named and that ever since his said marriage hehas been and is now a resident of said Logan County. That your orator lived and cohabited with the said Eliza C. Pierce as her husband from the time of said marriage until Monday, April 5th, 1881, at which time your orator left the said Eliza C. - that during the whole of his said married life, your orator has treated the said Eliza C. Pierce in a proper, kind and indulgent manner - That on Tuesday April 5, 1881, ____ at said county, your orator becoming acquainted with the facts _______named set forth he left the said Eliza C. and has refused to live and cohabit with her since that time --. Your orator further represents that on the night of Tuesday, April 5th, 1881 at his home in said Logan County and at divers other time at the same place before the date last aofresaid and since said marriage the said Eliza C. Pierce in utter disregard and in violation of her marriage duties and obligations committeed adultry and had sexual intercourse with one Milo L. Pierce - Your orator further shows that the said Eliza C. and your orator have had born until them as the result of said marriage, children as follows to wit: Hirma. S. Pierce, aged 17 years Wilminnie Pierce aged 14 years, Wiley M. Pierce aged 11 years, Fannie Estella Pierce aged 9 years. All of said children being now alive and residing with your orator in said Logan County. For as much there as your orator is without _______ in the premises exception a court of equity and to this end that the said Eliza C. Pierce who is made a party defendant to this bill may be required to make full true and direct answer to the same, though not under oath - Answer under oath being waived - And that the saie marriage between your orator and said Elize C. Pierce may be dissolved and declared null and void by the decree of this court according to the format of the Statute in such case made and provided - that your orator may be decreed the custody, control and education of said children and that said Eliza C. Pierce may by decree of this court be forever debarred of all dower ________ or other statutory right or interest in and to the estate of your orator. And your orator prays for _____ children and further asked ______ relief in the premises as the nature and equities of this case may require and to your Honor shall seem mute. And your orator prays for the the___________-in chancery dir______& c_______......Hiram L. Pierce. Hoblit, his solicitor.

Hi, If anyone on the list has access to the 1900 Census of Logan County, could they please look for Anna Munyon, born 29 Jan 1884 Mt. Pulaski, IL. Her Father would be George Munyon and her Mother was Susan Enman/Inman. The 1920 Census should show Anna married to Walter LaRue with a son Gerald, born 1912. Thank you for any help you can give me. Warm Regards, Lois Branch

Cheryl, Thanks,.....here's my Turner research (DeWitt-Logan-McLean) Looks like the families are not connected, aside from any marriages inside the counties. John [email protected] Robert Turner was born in Jefferson Co. TN, and someone has him dying in California 1852, which would make me opt for someone who chased the Gold Rush....haven't been able to verify or prove. There may be more children that what I have as well. Descendants of Robert Turner 1 Robert Turner 1787 - 1852 . +Catherine Jones 1793 - 1879 ...... 2 Harvey Turner 1813 - 1876 .......... +Elizabeth Hoblitt 1813 - 1885 .............. 3 Catherine Turner 1835 - .............. 3 Sarah Ann Turner 1838 - .............. 3 Alfred Turner 1839 - 1919 .................. +Serilda J. Bivan 1842 - 1924 .............. 3 Joel Turner 1841 - 1861 .............. 3 Benjamin F. Turner 1845 - .............. 3 John D. Turner 1848 - .............. 3 Emily Turner 1849 - .................. +Thoseus D. Tuttle 1848 - .............. 3 Lucy Turner 1851 - .............. 3 Charles H. Turner 1852 - .................. +Ella Fenney 1855 - ...... 2 Mary Turner 1819 - 1889 .......... +Samuel P. Cox 1813 - 1895 .............. 3 Catherine Turner Cox 1842 - .................. +Fletcher Stewart Bunn .............. 3 Samuel Cox 1844 - .............. 3 Edwin Cox 1846 - .............. 3 Abby J. Cox 1849 - .............. 3 Emma Cox 1859 - .............. 3 Jennie Cox 1852 - ...... 2 Allen Turner 1824 - 1856 ...... 2 Andrew Turner 1827 - .......... +Ella 1841 - .............. 3 Lillie Turner 1856 - .............. 3 Clyde Turner 1874 - .............. 3 Ray Turner 1879 - ...... 2 Charles M. Turner 1835 - 1904 .......... +Mary J. 1832 - 1923 .............. 3 Benjamin Turner 1857 - 1934 .................. +Carrie A. Burrows 1859 - 1942 .............. 3 Cary Turner 1861 - .............. 3 William Turner 1864 - .............. 3 John Turner 1868 - .............. 3 Emma Turner 1872 -

I just answered this on the DeWitt list. This Turner is the brother of Allen Turner whose daughter Mary married Thomas Lucas. The Turners themselves were predominately in Menard County and in DeWitt just over the line from Logan. If anyone else is researching these Turners I'll repeat myself. Otherwise I'll just do it in one place. Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -----Original Message----- From: John Blair [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 4:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ILLOGAN] Turner Cheryl, Thanks,.....here's my Turner research (DeWitt-Logan-McLean) Looks like the families are not connected, aside from any marriages inside the counties. John [email protected] Robert Turner was born in Jefferson Co. TN, and someone has him dying in California 1852, which would make me opt for someone who chased the Gold Rush....haven't been able to verify or prove. There may be more children that what I have as well. Descendants of Robert Turner 1 Robert Turner 1787 - 1852 . +Catherine Jones 1793 - 1879 ...... 2 Harvey Turner 1813 - 1876 .......... +Elizabeth Hoblitt 1813 - 1885 .............. 3 Catherine Turner 1835 - .............. 3 Sarah Ann Turner 1838 - .............. 3 Alfred Turner 1839 - 1919 .................. +Serilda J. Bivan 1842 - 1924 .............. 3 Joel Turner 1841 - 1861 .............. 3 Benjamin F. Turner 1845 - .............. 3 John D. Turner 1848 - .............. 3 Emily Turner 1849 - .................. +Thoseus D. Tuttle 1848 - .............. 3 Lucy Turner 1851 - .............. 3 Charles H. Turner 1852 - .................. +Ella Fenney 1855 - ...... 2 Mary Turner 1819 - 1889 .......... +Samuel P. Cox 1813 - 1895 .............. 3 Catherine Turner Cox 1842 - .................. +Fletcher Stewart Bunn .............. 3 Samuel Cox 1844 - .............. 3 Edwin Cox 1846 - .............. 3 Abby J. Cox 1849 - .............. 3 Emma Cox 1859 - .............. 3 Jennie Cox 1852 - ...... 2 Allen Turner 1824 - 1856 ...... 2 Andrew Turner 1827 - .......... +Ella 1841 - .............. 3 Lillie Turner 1856 - .............. 3 Clyde Turner 1874 - .............. 3 Ray Turner 1879 - ...... 2 Charles M. Turner 1835 - 1904 .......... +Mary J. 1832 - 1923 .............. 3 Benjamin Turner 1857 - 1934 .................. +Carrie A. Burrows 1859 - 1942 .............. 3 Cary Turner 1861 - .............. 3 William Turner 1864 - .............. 3 John Turner 1868 - .............. 3 Emma Turner 1872 - ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are in mail mode, send to [email protected] If you are receiving messages in the digest mode, send to [email protected]

As the web site I listed states, non Illinois residents must do it by snail mail. I suggest you look at the web site because they have certain requirements and if you don't follow their instructions your $10 could get you nothing. Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al

1855 state records. What if you don't live in Illinois? Can one still order online or must we write to them directly? Thanks Tammy Russell

I have been reliably informed that the State Archives does NOT have the Logan County pages of the Illinois State Census for 1845. It does have 1855 and 1865. They do have a card file with the names of those in those censuses and can generally find the page with your ancestor on it for you. IF you live in Illinois you can order the records free online at: http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/GenealogyMWeb/refform.html Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al

I've been moaning about the stupid Sonny Bono copyright laws. Now there's this. He doesn't say which idiot in Congress is responsible this time. I found out it is COBLE, SMITH of Texas, HOBSON, GREENWOOD, TAUZIN and SENSENBRENNER. The following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter and is copyright 2004 by Richard W. Eastman. It is re-published here with the permission of the author. Information about the newsletter is available at http://www.eogn.com <http://www.eogn.com/>. - Proposed Legislation Would Wreak Havoc for Genealogists A new bill before the U.S. Congress proposes to overturn one of the most fundamental concepts of the present copyright laws. If passed, facts would become copyrighted for the first time in U.S. history. The Database and Collections of Information Misappropriation Act (HR3261) would make it a crime for anyone to copy and redistribute a substantial portion of data collected by commercial database companies and list publishers. At first, that sounds like a good idea. However, a bit more thought shows that nobody would be able to republish stock quotes, historical health data, sports scores, or voter lists. In fact, a lot of genealogy information could not be republished. If passed, Google and all the other search engines would be crippled, probably driven out of business. These are online databases that collect information, or facts, from other online sites so that the user can quickly find the information they seek. If Google and the others are not allowed to collect facts that are now copyrighted, how will they be able to index the Web for you? Art Brodsky, spokesman for public advocacy group Public Knowledge, says the bill would let anyone drop a fact into a database or a collection of materials and claim monopoly rights to it. This would contradict the core principle of the Copyright Act, which states that mere information and ideas cannot be protected works. Let's say that a commercial genealogy service such as Ancestry.com or OneGreatFamily.com publishes the fact that your great-great-grandparents had a child named John. Once that "fact" has been published by any commercial service, that original publisher would hold the copyright on the fact, and no one else would be allowed to publish it again. The Family History Library, the New England Historic Genealogical Society, Genealogical Publishing Company, and others would be prohibited from publishing that information again in any of their online or printed works. In fact, private individuals would similarly be barred from publishing the information in their own derivative works. If a commercial site publishes a fact about your ancestors, you would not be able to place that fact on your own Web site or in any book or report that you give to others. The language in this proposed legislation contradicts the core principle of the present copyright acts, which state that mere information and ideas cannot be protected works.

This JONES family moved from Ohio, to IN, then IL. *James W. Jones, b c1802, Ohio or NC, d. 10 Oct 1857, Mason Co., IL. Buried, Lucas Chapel Cemetery. Married: c1822, Ohio, to Nancy McCarty, b. c1804, Ohio or NC. d. 24 Jul 1873, Logan, IL. Buried, Lucas Chapel Cemetery. It was said James and Nancy had 14 children most born in IN. I know 10 names: Eveline, George, Henry, James, John, Mary, m. Mr. Morris, Melvia, Sarah, m. Mr. Huddleston, *Richard W. Jones, b. c1844, Wayne, IN., m. **Mary S. Charlotte "Calle" Pierce, d/o Hollom Pierce and Lucinda Winters of NY, William E. Jones, b. 13 Apr 1845, Wayne, IN., m. Amanda D. Lucas, daughter of Peter Lucas and Amanda Rush or Rushe Horn. Please Note: *James W. Jones, and his son Richard, middle name is "Warle, nicknamed Warley and/or Worle, nicknamed Worley." From the book, "History of Logan County, 1886," page 896 October 9, 1857, the father (James) went to the mill, a distance of twenty miles from his home, and being obliged to remain over night he slept in the mill. during the night the upper story of the mill fell in and he was killed, and his remains conveyed home the next day. The spring following this sad event the widow and her children settled in West Lincoln Township, Logan County, on section 6, where Mrs. James W. Jones spent the rest of her life. Nancy McCarty Jones, died July 24, 1873, in her sixty-ninth year. ---- **Calle Pierce, (d/o Hollom & Lucinda) is the sister of Milo Lucius Pierce, Sr. Milo enrolled in the Illinois Cavalry 1861, in Logan Co. Discharged, 6 July 1865, Springfield, IL. Milo moved to NM., where he was shot by accident in the hip by Pecos Bob Olinger, at his (Milo's) Seven Rivers cattle ranch, near the Texas state line. Pecos Bob was later shot and killed by Billy the Kid, during his jail escape in Lincoln, NM. Milo was b. Aug 1838, Athens, Sangamon, now Menard Co., IL., and is buried in Roswell, NM, with his wife Ella Lea Calfee Pierce, sister of Captain Joseph Callaway Lea, first mayor of Roswell, NM. More on Milo: <www.roswell-record.com/archives/080700/new03.html> More on Captain Lea: "Captain Joseph C. Lea, From Confederate Guerrilla to New Mexico Patriarch," by Elvis E. Fleming Milo L. Pierce, Jr, b 1891, NM, d. 1943, CA, m (1) Frederica A. Worth Callaway, m (2) Annie J. Ridout. Milo Jr. became a police officer. He is buried in Evergreen Cemetery, Riverside, CA., unmarked grave. ANY, Information about the above names/families would be helpful and very much appreciated. Kay Oliver Stockton [email protected]

Very interested in anyone researching this family. In the Atlanta area. Thanks, John Blair Descendants of Stephen Jones 1 Stephen Jones 1780 - 1855 . +Jemima J. Jones 1795 - 1848 ...... 2 Isaac W. Jones 1811 - 1868 .......... +Elmira 1817 - ...... 2 Eli W. Jones 1813 - 1860 .......... +Alice 1814 - ...... 2 Arthur B. Jones 1814 - .......... +Nancy J. 1817 - ...... 2 Lewis Jones 1817 - ...... 2 Levinia Jones 1819 - ...... 2 Arminda Jones 1821 - ...... 2 Isham Jones 1823 - ...... 2 Washington C. Jones 1825 - 1855 .......... +Elizabeth A. 1829 -

Thank you for the look-up. This does help. Warmest Regards. Kay Craig >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] Doolin, Doolan >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:19:51 EST > >Hi, > >I show the following: > >Union Cemetery, Lincoln, Logan County, IL: > >Doolen, Sammy, son of W. H. & N. J. >d. Aug. 11, 1887 >aged 6 yrs 10 mo 5 da > >Father > >Mother > >Doolen, Wm. H. >d. Jan. 21, 1906 >aged 72 yrs 2 mo 15 da > >Hope that helps. > >Shaunee Power > > >==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are in mail mode, send to >[email protected] If you are receiving messages in the digest >mode, send to [email protected] > _________________________________________________________________ Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/loudclear.armx

Hi, I show the following: Union Cemetery, Lincoln, Logan County, IL: Doolen, Sammy, son of W. H. & N. J. d. Aug. 11, 1887 aged 6 yrs 10 mo 5 da Father Mother Doolen, Wm. H. d. Jan. 21, 1906 aged 72 yrs 2 mo 15 da Hope that helps. Shaunee Power

Searching for William Henry Doolin who died Jan 21, 1906 in Logan county. Searching for cemetery location. Also searching for his daughter, Myrtle Maude Doolin, who was married to Fred A. Kollman Logan County October 16, 1890. Looking for other researchers of said family. William Henry Doolin was married to Nancy Jane White. Kay Craig Columbia City, Indiana _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to help protect your privacy and prevent fraud online at Tech Hacks & Scams. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/techsafety.armx

Garland, It's possible, it'll just take the right find here. Again, the Montgomery's found on the 1850 Census are of interest to me, as I lose John & Matilda after 1840. They most probably were married in Ohio, and if they followed all together, then they left Ohio prior to 1820, to Rush Co. INDIANA, and then about 1831 to Waynesville, DeWitt, and the surrounding area in the other 2 counties. Other families tied to this Jones family are CRUM, TURNER, MONTGOMERY, JONES, ISHAM, MICHAELS, THOMAS and BAYLESS. Here is the 1840 DeWitt return 1m 10-15, 1m 20-30, 1m 30-40, 2f under5, 1f 5-10, 2f 10-15, 2f 15-20, 1f 40-50 John

I am very interested in anyone researching the MONTGOMERY Families found in DeWitt, Logan or Mc Lean Counties. I am researching the JONES Family, and I have John & Matilda on the 1840 but can't locate anywhere after that. There are several Montgomeries in all 3 counties, and at present I'm most likely to consider a couple of them in Mc Lean County. Here's my research, and if you can help or are researching, or even a descendant, please contact me!!! The Jones family came from SW OHIO, to Rush Co. INDIANA, and then by about 1831 came to De Witt. Thanks, John 1. JOHN1 MONTGOMERY He married MATILDA JONES, daughter of PETER JONES and MARY BRANSON. She was born Abt. 1803. Notes for JOHN MONTGOMERY: SENW 33/ 21-N 2-E No 3rd PM IL De Witt John Montgomery SWNE 33/ 21-N 2-E No 3rd PM IL De Witt John Montgomery, both dated 11/1/1839 NWNW 33/ 21-N 2-E No 3rd PM IL De Witt Dated 3/30/1837 NW 22/ 21-N 1-E No 3rd PM IL De Witt John Montgomery & William Summers 3/16/1837 (Needs Researched)> There is also a John Montgomery family on the 1840 De Witt Census, but not on the 1850. 1840 1m 10-15, 1m 20-30, 1m 30-40, 2f under5, 1f 5-10, 2f 10-15, 2f 15-20, 1f 40-50 1850 Possible leads, I am inclined to go with the McLean finds as the right family. 1850 Research 2 Montgomery's in De Witt (Mary age 7 living in a Nissell Family) , and Lydia Mc Lean Co., an Allen, (20, living with another household,b.Indiana) Eli( 29, b. Indiana, married with one son John A.) , Summerfield, (21 Missouri) Sarah 16, Illinois, living with the Gray family, John 41 B. Indiana, and William 45 Ohio. Logan Co. Isaac 35 VA, David 51 PA, Walter 36 VA, Henry living w/Harvey Turner family, I can't tell if these are VA or IA birthplaces.

John, Thanks. Doesn't look promising. In the 1880 census, David Thomas Montgomery has his parents born in Indiana. He was born ca. 1831. Garland Edgell ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Blair" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] MONTGOMERY > Garland, > > It's possible, it'll just take the right find here. Again, the > Montgomery's found on the 1850 Census are of interest to me, as I lose John > & Matilda after 1840. They most probably were married in Ohio, and if > they followed all together, then they left Ohio prior to 1820, to Rush > Co. INDIANA, and then about 1831 to Waynesville, DeWitt, and the > surrounding area in the other 2 counties. Other families tied to this > Jones family are CRUM, TURNER, MONTGOMERY, JONES, ISHAM, MICHAELS, THOMAS > and BAYLESS. Here is the 1840 DeWitt return > > 1m 10-15, 1m 20-30, 1m 30-40, 2f under5, 1f 5-10, 2f 10-15, 2f 15-20, 1f > 40-50 > > > John > > > > ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are in mail mode, send to [email protected] If you are receiving messages in the digest mode, send to [email protected] >

John, I have been researching Montgomery in Logan and Menard counties. Many came from Gibson Co., IN. I have not been able to connect my David Thomas Montgomery (2g grandfather) with any of them. His birth would appear to be in Indiana from census record information. Any chance this would connect with yours? Garland Edgell ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Blair" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:16 AM Subject: [ILLOGAN] MONTGOMERY > > I am very interested in anyone researching the MONTGOMERY Families found in > DeWitt, Logan or Mc Lean Counties. I am researching the JONES Family, and I > have John & Matilda on the 1840 but can't locate anywhere after that. There > are several Montgomeries in all 3 counties, and at present I'm most likely > to consider a couple of them in Mc Lean County. Here's my research, and if > you can help or are researching, or even a descendant, please contact me!!! > The Jones family came from SW OHIO, to Rush Co. INDIANA, and then by about > 1831 came to De Witt. Thanks, John > > 1. JOHN1 MONTGOMERY He married MATILDA JONES, daughter of PETER JONES and > MARY BRANSON. She was born Abt. 1803. > > Notes for JOHN MONTGOMERY: > > SENW 33/ 21-N 2-E No 3rd PM IL De Witt John Montgomery > > SWNE 33/ 21-N 2-E No 3rd PM IL De Witt John Montgomery, both dated 11/1/1839 > > NWNW 33/ 21-N 2-E No 3rd PM IL De Witt Dated 3/30/1837 > > NW 22/ 21-N 1-E No 3rd PM IL De Witt John Montgomery & William Summers > 3/16/1837 > > (Needs Researched)> > > There is also a John Montgomery family on the 1840 De Witt Census, but not > on the 1850. > > 1840 1m 10-15, 1m 20-30, 1m 30-40, 2f under5, 1f 5-10, 2f 10-15, 2f 15-20, > 1f 40-50 > > 1850 Possible leads, I am inclined to go with the McLean finds as the right > family. > > 1850 Research 2 Montgomery's in De Witt (Mary age 7 living in a Nissell > Family) , and Lydia > > Mc Lean Co., an Allen, (20, living with another household,b.Indiana) Eli( > 29, b. Indiana, married with one son John A.) , Summerfield, (21 Missouri) > Sarah 16, Illinois, living with the Gray family, John 41 B. Indiana, and > William 45 Ohio. > > Logan Co. Isaac 35 VA, David 51 PA, Walter 36 VA, Henry living w/Harvey > Turner family, I can't tell if these are VA or IA birthplaces. > > > > ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are in mail mode, send to [email protected] If you are receiving messages in the digest mode, send to [email protected]