Tuesday-Friday: 11am-4pm Saturday: 10am-1pm Call ahead to make sure they haven't changed for some reason: (217) 732-3200 Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005

When you are on the list the message is SUPPOSED to come through to the list and that one didn't for some reason. They don't all come through but posts by list members are supposed to. Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -----Original Message----- From: Katherine M. Hopkins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 3:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] FW: Michael Mann Yes, I am on this list. Looks like my post to the message board got rather mangled in its translation to email. - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005

Yes, I am on this list. Looks like my post to the message board got rather mangled in its translation to email. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Rothwell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 4:06 PM Subject: [ILLOGAN] FW: Michael Mann > This person is NOT on this list. To respond go to the link.

This person is NOT on this list. To respond go to the link. Surnames: Mann, Huston Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Wg.2ADI/184.186.1.1.2.1.1.2 Message Board Post: I'm also a Mann descendant, and would be interested in any information you find. I haven't done much research aside from establishing the connection; much of my information comes from the internet and other researchers who have more detail. I've been concentrating on more recent dead ends, and other branches, gradually adding to my web site http://www.martling.org/genealogy/index.html, which currently includes very little of the Mann family. Michael Mann (1790-1866) [census, Steenbergen Cem] +Elizabeth ? (1792-1856) [census, Steenbergen Cem] ..Elizabeth Mann (1828 - 1917) [census, death cert, Lake Bank Cem] ..+Charles Huston (1822 - 1906) [census, Lake Bank Cem] .....Harriet Huston (1857 - 1941) [census, marriage cert, death cert, obit, Lake Bank Cem] .....+Andrew Daugherty (1850 - 1911) [census, marriage cert, death cert, Lake Bank Cem] ........Josephine Daugherty (1884 - 1933) [census, marriage cert, death cert, obit, Macon Cem] ........+Chester Cole (1880 - 1964) [census, marriage cert, death cert, obit, Macon Cem] ...........Pauline Cole (1903 - 1976) [census, birth cert, SSDI] ...........+Sewell Hopkins (1906 - 1984) [census, SSDI] ..............living ..............+living .................me -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005

What times is the Gen Library open? I have a book to take to them on Hall, Ellingtons, Jenkins. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [ILLOGAN] Records - Good Deed > Thanks Cheryl, > > We are working hard to expand our library, and appreciate your "good deed" > suggestion. It would be great if the mailman wondered why we are suddenly > receiving so much mail. > > For anyone who isn't sure of the address, it is: > > LCGHS > 114 N. Chicago St. > Lincoln, IL 62656 > > Thanks, > > Bill Detmers > LCGHS > > > ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are in mail mode, send to [email protected] If you are receiving messages in the digest mode, send to [email protected] >

>>>Are you saying you cannot get a copy of a birth certificate for genealogical purposes (see my points below)? Only one that is 75 years old. Less than that no, no way, unless it is for you or your minor children -- even if you don't want it certified. They only do this with birth certificates. This is Illinois. I am sure it varies by state. And they do ask WHY you want a death certificate which is silly. Who cares? >>Actually the legislators were falling all over each other in the rush to be more "patriotic" that the other guys, especially just before the election last November. No comment. <g> Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005

> That's precisely what we were doing Richard. They didn't ask him all those > questions though. Interestingly, the last time we did this the bank did it > without any help from us. I'm curious - were you trying to do this on line (I was.) or in person. Wonder if the SSA is tightening up re banks doing it? I lost the letter with the "secret code" in it and was thinking of just going by the bank and asking them to handle it for me. Hmmm. > They are asking why you want the death certificate too but if you say > genealogy they don't ask more. Are you saying you cannot get a copy of a birth certificate for genealogical purposes (see my points below)? > Finally, it is not legislators who are worried about identity theft as much > as the Patriot Act and other responses to 9/11 that is causing this last > round of tightening up. I see no use terrorists can make of death > certificates, probate files, etc. I don't suppose they want to pose as a 60 > year old man or woman either. I don't want to be a 60 year either but I > suppose that will happen regardless. Actually the legislators were falling all over each other in the rush to be more "patriotic" that the other guys, especially just before the election last November. I expect that some jurisdictions - who consider genealogists a pest anyway - will use the Intelligence Reform Act (or what ever they called it) to deny any kind of information to researchers. However, what the genealogical societies were told is that they could continue to get photo copies of birth records for informational purposes, but the law requires the federal and state governments to insist up a CERTIFIED COPY of the birth certificate in order for someone to get a passport, driver's license, etc., and certified copies could only be issued to the person himself or herself or a parent or guardian. That, supposedly, is intended to make uncertified photocopies as worthless as, well, a death certificate for a terrorist. Enough. I don;t know why I'm worried - I got the birth records that I needed for my own family 30 years ago. If you have any additional thoughts, I'd be glad to hear them - but I think I've overstated my case already! Richard

In a message dated 4/14/2005 11:54:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Does LCG&H have an e-mail address where scanned copies could be sent as attachments? Yes, we do have an e-mail address, and scanned copies would be great. [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) Thanks for thinking of this. Bill Detmers LCGHS

Thanks Cheryl, We are working hard to expand our library, and appreciate your "good deed" suggestion. It would be great if the mailman wondered why we are suddenly receiving so much mail. For anyone who isn't sure of the address, it is: LCGHS 114 N. Chicago St. Lincoln, IL 62656 Thanks, Bill Detmers LCGHS

You wrote: > I knew you felt like that Richard. <g> I just called Social Security to do > some things for an elderly relative of my late husband's. Every question > they asked him to verify his identity I could have answered and accessed his > account [if I had a good fake old man voice]. Frankly that makes me nervous. I don't think even I can accerss my own accout - they are only open to hackers! The accounts aren't on line. <g> I am trying to change the place of deposit for my check and there is a long routine involving knowlege my present depository and the new one, plus I must know the amount and place of the last deposit - and then if I pass all those tests, they will MAIL me a password - only to my address of record on file with them. > As I said, I seriously doubt the information is good for identity theft but > there are other things that go on in this wonderful world we live in. Yeah, I guess so. Let's try this one: The chances are thousands of times greater that you will be in an auto accident on the way to the grocery store than you will suffer any sort or loss or misuse of on-line genealogical data. Using your approach, am I right in assuming you don't drive - or ride with sometone else - the the store? Far-festched, to be sure, but there really are some risks that have little or no consequencesd attached to them. > Birth certificates of living people should never be shared if no other > reason than it might upset that person. I alreadly agreed with that point. > And birth records, with the detail > that is on birth certificates, are NOT public record any more. You > absolutely cannot get or even see a birth certificate for anyone under 75 in > Illinois unless it is yourself or your minor child. Even if the person is > dead and the county clerk went to the funeral, if they were born less than > 75 years ago you aren't getting the birth certificate. More's the pity. It Records are being closed in other states, too. And all of it is in large part due to public (and their representatives) being panicked by Luddites who are afraid that free access to information on the Internet will result in world destruction. Well, not really that bad, but I know that the Association of Professional Genealogists are seeing a necessary part of their research closed off to them - not because of what has happened (not even once) bit because of what MIGHT happen. I guess it tells us more about the world we live in than I care to know! I really don't mean to be argumentative, and I do understand some people's desire not to have personal information about them bandied about and I do respect it. Richard P.S.: A couple of years ago, the Wall Street Journal ran an article which quoted "witnesses" at a Congressional hearing that putting genealogical information on line was a gold-plated invitation to identity theft. It turns out that not only was there no such hearing (a Congressman did, however, ask several witness about this - because one of his constituents had written complaining that some one else had posted her genealogical information on line). Not only were there no hearings, but the New York lawyer quoted in the article wasn't asked about genealogy on line during the hearings - his input came in a phone call from the reporter. I had no trouble tracking him down, however. In spite of his dire warnings about genealogy and identity theft, he was easy to find. His person biography, names of parents, place of birth, home and office numbers, and a long list of places throughout the world he had consulted with government and business on "Internet privacy." All of this and more on his own personal web site, along with his email address. After the exchange of several emails, this consultant - this expert on "identity theft" - finally admitted he knew of no instance where genealogical information had been used to commit fraud. But, he said, an example of the kind of information that is a "gold mine" for identity thieves was the Social Security Death Index. Here was a lawyer, law professor and "internet privacy consultant" who apparently got paid handsomely for telling people stuff like this - here is such a person who did not even know that main reason the Social Security Administration releases this information quickly and totally is so that financial institutions can instantly spot fraud by checking to see if someone is trying to use the social security number of a deceased person! Goodness.

That's precisely what we were doing Richard. They didn't ask him all those questions though. Interestingly, the last time we did this the bank did it without any help from us. I'm talking about birth certificates, not online genealogy files. They are a totally different subject. They are asking why you want the death certificate too but if you say genealogy they don't ask more. Finally, it is not legislators who are worried about identity theft as much as the Patriot Act and other responses to 9/11 that is causing this last round of tightening up. I see no use terrorists can make of death certificates, probate files, etc. I don't suppose they want to pose as a 60 year old man or woman either. I don't want to be a 60 year either but I suppose that will happen regardless. Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005

I knew you felt like that Richard. <g> I just called Social Security to do some things for an elderly relative of my late husband's. Every question they asked him to verify his identity I could have answered and accessed his account [if I had a good fake old man voice]. Frankly that makes me nervous. As I said, I seriously doubt the information is good for identity theft but there are other things that go on in this wonderful world we live in. Birth certificates of living people should never be shared if no other reason than it might upset that person. And birth records, with the detail that is on birth certificates, are NOT public record any more. You absolutely cannot get or even see a birth certificate for anyone under 75 in Illinois unless it is yourself or your minor child. Even if the person is dead and the county clerk went to the funeral, if they were born less than 75 years ago you aren't getting the birth certificate. Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005

The answer is I'm not sure. I'll wait and see if he says it is okay to do that. I left it out for that reason. I personally cut a CD with my stuff on it and mailed it. Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005

Cheryl Rothwell <[email protected]> wrote: >>> If you have obtained copies of various records like marriage licenses, death certificates, probate files, etc. for your ancestors why not do a good deed by making a photocopy and sending those copies to the Logan County G&H to help future researchers? >>> You notice I left out birth certificates. My personal opinion is I would not send a birth certificate that is not at least 70 years old. Do terrorists frequent genealogy societies? How about those who deal in identity theft? Doubtful but it never hurts to err on the side of caution. My opinion only.<<< Dear Cheryl and all: Your suggestion about not sending birth certificates/records that are not at least 70 years old is one I agree with - but not for the reasons you stated. I don't put such information on my web site (or elsewhere) because genealogy is not really the search for the living and because some people's sensibilities might be offended. While it is always wise to keep a close reign on "private" information, records such as births, marriages, etc., are public information. I hope everyone will read this week's RootsWeb Review (April 2005, Vol. 8, No. 15) Editor: Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG, answers some questions about net privacy and "identity theft." I am quoted (some, facts, plus "just my opinion" <g>). More grist for the mill: 88 percent of all identity theft involves lost or stolen credit cards and account theft by using the information on a lost, stolen (or merely viewed) bank check. Only 3 percent of all so-called "identity thefts" involved obtain information from the internet - and practically all of this is deliberate hacking of financial records. (As I was quoted in Myra's article, there is no - none, zero, nada, not any - verifiable instance of "identity theft" (or other theft) involving the use of genealogical information on the Internet (as Myra says, genealogical info on the Net is not even a blip on the radar screen). The above information is from a study by the Federal Trade Commission in 2003. This won't happen to any of "us" I am sure, but the fact is that your chances of having your credit cards or other financial instruments being misued by close family members is vastly greater than suffering a loss because of ANY information that is on the Net (unless, of course you post your own SS# or credit card number or back account number). A survey by the Better Business Bureau earlier this year came up with this startling fact: Of the know perpetrators of "identity theft," MORE THAN HALF of them were close to the victim! "Identity theft" is serious and paying attention to your financial instruments is important. But cast a discerning eye on claims that the placing of genealogical information on line is dangerous. "Identity theft" is a popular buzz word these days but in reality practically all of it is plain of credit card theft. And those who wave the red flag the most turn out to be people who are trying to scare the bejabbers out of everyone on the internet so they can sell you some product or service that will save you from such a horrible fate! (Just my opinion <g>.) Richard Pence 3211 Adams Court Fairfax, Virginia

Does LCG&H have an e-mail address where scanned copies could be sent as attachments? Garland Edgell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Rothwell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:21 AM Subject: [ILLOGAN] Records - Good Deed > If you have obtained copies of various records like marriage licenses, > death > certificates, probate files, etc. for your ancestors why not do a good > deed > by making a photocopy and sending those copies to the Logan County G&H to > help future researchers? > > You notice I left out birth certificates. My personal opinion is I would > not > send a birth certificate that is not at least 70 years old. Do terrorists > frequent genealogy societies? How about those who deal in identity theft? > Doubtful but it never hurts to err on the side of caution. My opinion > only. > > Cheryl Rothwell > [email protected] > Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb > Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005 > > > > ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are in mail mode, send to > [email protected] If you are receiving messages in the > digest mode, send to [email protected] >

If you have obtained copies of various records like marriage licenses, death certificates, probate files, etc. for your ancestors why not do a good deed by making a photocopy and sending those copies to the Logan County G&H to help future researchers? You notice I left out birth certificates. My personal opinion is I would not send a birth certificate that is not at least 70 years old. Do terrorists frequent genealogy societies? How about those who deal in identity theft? Doubtful but it never hurts to err on the side of caution. My opinion only. Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005

Great suggestion, Cheryl. I've got some Logan Co. death certificates that I may send. Troy Semple Cheryl Rothwell <[email protected]> wrote: If you have obtained copies of various records like marriage licenses, death certificates, probate files, etc. for your ancestors why not do a good deed by making a photocopy and sending those copies to the Logan County G&H to help future researchers? You notice I left out birth certificates. My personal opinion is I would not send a birth certificate that is not at least 70 years old. Do terrorists frequent genealogy societies? How about those who deal in identity theft? Doubtful but it never hurts to err on the side of caution. My opinion only. Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005 ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are in mail mode, send to [email protected] If you are receiving messages in the digest mode, send to [email protected] Check out my Launch station for the best Classic Rock, Southern Rock, Alt Country and Outlaw Music! http://launch.yahoo.com/lc/?rt=0&rp1=0&rp2=1220661034 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!

Was wondering if someone on the list has access to obits for Logan Co., ILL. I would like an obit for Oliva Medella(Della) Schoch Jackson who died April 10, 1941. Thanks, Judy

The last time I did a count of the Illinois State Genealogical Cemetery location database, there were over 14,000 entries which include aliases. I have some more changes to make but haven't had the time. One of these days I will retire and can catch up on all this stuff. The link below shows on 6116. When I send the GPS information on a cemetery not shown to the USGS site, they will add it. Originally the goverment maps showed no cemeteries unless they were bigger then 50' squared. That leaves a lot of them out. Joan --- Cheryl <[email protected]> wrote: > Here's a link to a site that claims to provide > locations for cemeteries. > What it does is give you clickable links to several > mapping sites. > > http://sjcook.com/genealogy/findcem/us/il/ > > Needless to say, I didn't check them all out. > Feedback on this to the list > would be useful to other researchers. If it works > well it is a good > resource. > > Cheryl Rothwell > [email protected] > Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb > Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release > Date: 4/7/2005 > > > > ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are > in mail mode, send to > [email protected] If you are receiving > messages in the digest mode, send to > [email protected] > > Joan Black Lund [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~joanlund/

Cheryl, It found a couple of obscure cemeteries which I knew the location for but would be hard to find if you didn't already know where they were. Now if it would just find burials. Garland Edgell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: [ILLOGAN] Links to cemetery locations > Here's a link to a site that claims to provide locations for cemeteries. > What it does is give you clickable links to several mapping sites. > > http://sjcook.com/genealogy/findcem/us/il/ > > Needless to say, I didn't check them all out. Feedback on this to the list > would be useful to other researchers. If it works well it is a good > resource. > > Cheryl Rothwell > [email protected] > Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb > Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 > > > > ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are in mail mode, send to > [email protected] If you are receiving messages in the > digest mode, send to [email protected] >