I have discovered a couple things about the Social Security Death Index that are worth sharing. First there is apparently a limit on the number of characters. I was searching for Schaffenacker which is a most uncommon name in the US. When I finally found it there were 16 in the whole US. But it too forever to find it because they have it as Schaffenacke - no r. Possibly there is a 12 character limit since they were all spelled that way. Second, when you can't find George R. Jones try G. R. Jones or even G. Jones. Why some of them are like that I don't know because in my case the person went by his full name. It seems simple but I didn't think of when I was tearing my hair looking for someone. Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005

Hi Cheryl: At my library, all you need to have is a library card and you can access both from home - there is a bar code on back of the card and for a password, this is what you use. Wooonnnderfull. Marilyn - Fla. -----Original Message----- From: Cheryl Rothwell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 12:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [ILLOGAN] I had Heritage Quest at the library before I moved and Ancestry here [although you have to go to the library to use it]. I foolishly assumed everyone knew what their local library provided. I suspect smaller libraries do not have these features which are not inexpensive. My sister doesn't have it. My brother who lives a mile away but in a different library district does. Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005 ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are in mail mode, send to [email protected] If you are receiving messages in the digest mode, send to [email protected]

I had Heritage Quest at the library before I moved and Ancestry here [although you have to go to the library to use it]. I foolishly assumed everyone knew what their local library provided. I suspect smaller libraries do not have these features which are not inexpensive. My sister doesn't have it. My brother who lives a mile away but in a different library district does. Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005

You also may be able to access Heritage Quest by getting a user name and password from your local public library. I did and use Heritage Quest from home as well as my subscription Ancestry.com. Garland Edgell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryl Rothwell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: [ILLOGAN] > Do you think Ancestry is too expensive? Can't afford a membership in a > genealogy society that has Heritage Quest? Heritage Quest has the census, > PERSI, Revolutionary War pension records and a huge collection of old > histories and genealogies. > > Here's some less expensive options. > > The Tazewell County {Illinois} Genealogical & Historical Society has > access > to Heritage Quest and Sanborn maps for it's members. Cost is $12 in > addition > to the membership fee of $15. Total $27. A bargain. > http://www.tcghs.org/heritagequest.htm > > The Godfrey Library has access to Heritage Quest and a newspaper > collection. > Cost is $35. > http://www.godfrey.org/OnlineResources2.html > > The New England Historic Genealogical Society has 2200 databases including > their own register, a highly respected genealogical journal. It does not > include Heritage Quest. However, if you have masses of New England > ancestors > this is the place to go. $75. Also, they have a massive library and > members > can borrow books for a fee. The books are nationwide, some even > international, not just New England. Well worth the fee if you need those > books. > http://www.newenglandancestors.org/ > > I'm sure there are more sites. > > Cheryl Rothwell > [email protected] > Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb > Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005 > > > > ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are in mail mode, send to > [email protected] If you are receiving messages in the > digest mode, send to [email protected] >

Do you think Ancestry is too expensive? Can't afford a membership in a genealogy society that has Heritage Quest? Heritage Quest has the census, PERSI, Revolutionary War pension records and a huge collection of old histories and genealogies. Here's some less expensive options. The Tazewell County {Illinois} Genealogical & Historical Society has access to Heritage Quest and Sanborn maps for it's members. Cost is $12 in addition to the membership fee of $15. Total $27. A bargain. http://www.tcghs.org/heritagequest.htm The Godfrey Library has access to Heritage Quest and a newspaper collection. Cost is $35. http://www.godfrey.org/OnlineResources2.html The New England Historic Genealogical Society has 2200 databases including their own register, a highly respected genealogical journal. It does not include Heritage Quest. However, if you have masses of New England ancestors this is the place to go. $75. Also, they have a massive library and members can borrow books for a fee. The books are nationwide, some even international, not just New England. Well worth the fee if you need those books. http://www.newenglandancestors.org/ I'm sure there are more sites. Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005

The government has plenty of information online but it can be difficult to find. One reason is they lack the ability to properly name and describe their databases. I think we have all noticed that. Also, they do not seem to be orderly. We've noticed that too. Sometimes the records are held by an agency you would never think of. You have be patient and look at everything. That's the good news/bad news part. The good good news is that they are going through and renaming things, making things easier to find, etc. How long that will take is anyone's guess. The web sites are ever changing and changing their names so the first place to go for government web sites is: http://www.firstgov.gov/ which has links to everything. From that page click on history which will get you to http://www.firstgov.gov/Citizen/Topics/History.shtml. Down a bit is Family History and Genealogy but don't neglect some of the other links on that page like the soldiers and sailors database. Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005

In 1913, the DAR established the Genealogical Research Committee (subsequently renamed the Genealogical Records Committee) to coordinate this nation-wide attempt to save historical records. The result has been nearly 17,000 typescripts of records from across the country. These volumes are referred to collectively as the Genealogical Records Committee Reports, for the DAR's national committee responsible for their production. These typescripts contain a tremendous amount of unique genealogical material, much of it gleaned from gravestones, family Bibles, and personal collections. They have now indexed a large portion of these records. You can search for the records on the web site http://grc.dar.org/dar/darnet/grc/grc.cfm and then order them http://www.dar.org/library/search.cfm Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005

I went to an all day genealogy seminar last weekend and I learned a few new tricks and tips. With all the hype about Ellis Island sometimes we forget it was not the only place immigrants arrived. INIS [Immigration and Naturalization] is now USCIS and they have a genealogy section on their web site. They don't make it easy to locate so here's the URL: http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/index.htm If you have immigrant ancestors you cannot find this web site may be of help. There are a lot of ports of entry. This is also the source for C Files, all naturalization records beginning in 1906. American born women who married foreign born males lost their citizenship until about 50 years ago. Thus those women had to become citizens all over again. I happened to know this because my mother in law had to do that but it doesn't seem to be widely known. They filed all the naturalization information a new immigrant would file. Thus, there is another potential source of information. The lecturer, Sandra MacLean Clunies, pointed out you MUST use the Freedom of Information Act when you make your request. Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005

Springfield Register, Sangamon County, IL, December 1910 WALTER SON OF JASPER SMITHERMAN KILLED IN MINE-HAD WORKED THERE ONLY SIX MONTHS The Springfield Register has the following to say of the death of Walter Smitherman, a former resident of Lincoln, son of Jasper Smitherman and a son-in law of Daniel Hurley, of Woodlawn: While making his last trip and about ten minutes before the time for him to finish his day's labors, Walter Smitherman, 1919 South Tenth Street, a miner employed at the Woodside Coal company's mine, was instantly killed by being run over by eight coal cars, his head and body being mangled. It is not known just how the accident occurred, as there was no one near at the time. It is known that Mr. Smitherman was driving three mules which were hitched to a string of eight cars, and that the accident occurred at the bottom of a steep hill in the mine. It is thought that Mr. Smitherman was kicked by one of the mules and knocked under the coal cars. As Mr. Smitherman did not report to the boss at quitting time, about 4 o'clock, a search was made for the man with the result that he was found lying alongside of the tracks in one of the passageways. Coroner Clarence Rhodes was notified of the accident and called for employees of the mine to appear at the inquest, which probably will be held today. The remains were removed to the undertaking parlors of Charles T. Bish & Son. Mr. Smitherman, although he had resided in this city only one year, was well known among the coal miners and was very popular with them. He had been employed at the Woodside mine about six months and was driver. He was 21 years old. His home was formerly in Lincoln. He is survived by his wife and child, his father, Jasper Smitherman of Lincoln, and a sister, Mrs. Maude Mae Smitherman Oliver of 1500 South 10 1/2 Street, this city. Springfield Local No. 999 of which deceased was a member, took charge of the arrangements at Springfield and at 3:33 p.m. Tuesday, the body, was brought to this city, to await the funeral arrangements which will be announced later. The burial will be in this city. - - - - BURIAL OF WALTER SMITHERMAN, December 15, 1910 The funeral service for the late Walter Smitherman were held Wednesday afternoon at 2 o'clock at the Lincoln Hill Presbyterian church in charge the Rev. Otis A. Smith. The burial was in Union cemetery. Prior to bringing the remains of deceased to this city, funeral services were held at the Bisch undertaking parlors in Springfield. - - - - Notes: Walter Smitherman, married, Nora Elizabeth Hurley, 1908. Nora is the daughter of, Daniel "Dan" Hurley, Sr. b. 1869, d. 1949, Lincoln And, Edith K. Russell, b. 1872, d. 1966, Lincoln Child of Walter and Nora Elizabeth Hurley Smitherman: Jasper Jesse "Jess" Daniel Smitherman, b. 1909, d. 1988, Lincoln Nora Elizabeth Hurley, b. 1890, d. 1968, Lincoln married, (1) Walter Smitherman, m. (2) Alfred Pruit Money, m. (3) ? Engelke

Lincoln Evening Courier, Lincoln, Illinois, June 20, 1935 J. M. SMITHERMAN DIED THIS MORNING Jasper Monroe Smitherman, 75, who suffered a stroke of paralysis eleven days ago, died at 8:25 o'clock this morning at his home at 822 State street. Mr. Smitherman was born in Macoupin county, August 4, 1859, but spent most of his life in this city, where he was formerly in the saloon business. He was married the first time to Mary Ann McKenney, who died in 1894. The following year he married Mary Belle Pope in Athens. She survives with two daughters, Mrs. Maude Oliver of Chicago and Mrs. Walter Leisch of Lincoln. He also leaves fours grandchildren and one great grandchild. Funeral arrangements have not been completed, but services will probably take place Saturday.

The Sangamon County Genealogical Society will meet Monday May 9 at 7:00 pm at Springfield's Public Library the original Lincoln Library which is located downtown on 7th and Capitol in the Carnegie Room South. Our speaker will be Alan Harn his topic will be Archeology in Illinois. Parking underneath the library is free and well lit after 5:00 pm. The public is welcome to attend. Dan Dixon - President/Editor PO Box 1829 (Mailing Address) Springfield, IL 62705-1829 Email: [email protected] Phone: 217-529-0542

They were published like that in the Lincoln Herald in the early 1880s. I would guess that since a woman was known as "Mrs. John H. Hawes," they were acknowledging both parents in a small space. Bill Detmers In a message dated 4/24/2005 7:39:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I was reading the Logan County Roots and Branches and noticed something in Eddie's Gleanings. All the children are born to the wife: Son to Mrs. John H. Hawes, son to Mrs. Benjamin F. Shipley, etc. The father's name is clearly there but he is not listed. Does anyone know why that was?

The online Lincoln Daily News has long had obits. Now they have marriages, divorces and court news. http://www.lincolndailynews.com/ Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 4/19/2005

I was reading the Logan County Roots and Branches and noticed something in Eddie's Gleanings. All the children are born to the wife: Son to Mrs. John H. Hawes, son to Mrs. Benjamin F. Shipley, etc. The father's name is clearly there but he is not listed. Does anyone know why that was? Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 4/19/2005

For those on the Logan County list who may be looking for obituary information: You might find the public library in Springfield to be an excellent source. They have a huge listing of obituaries. I visited the library for a few hours a couple of years ago, while my wife was at a writers convention. It is downtown, just south of the big convention center hotel and a couple of blocks south and east from the old State Capital building. I think it was called the Abraham Lincoln Library, but that may have changed with the new Lincoln presidential library being opened last week. The main feature of interest for this purpose is a large bank of card catalog files on the second floor, which index the obituaries published in the Illinois State Journal (and Register) from some time in the 1800s to today. The card catalog is alphabetical by the name of the deceased. The card includes a reference to the date, page number, and microfilm number for the obituary. The room across the hall has microfilm readers and staff who get the microfilm for you and help you make the reader work. The card catalog is very nice, as compared to searching individual microfilms directly, as may be required in other libraries. In a few hours, I was able to find obituaries for numerous of my Stoll, Volle, Hagenbuch, Rentschler, and Dittus ancestors from the Mt. Pulaski-Chestnut area of Logan County, and for my father, brother, and nephew from the Beason area. The main limitation is that many of the obits contain only 4-6 lines, a sort of funeral notice. But more prominent persons tend to be covered in some detail. Older obits also seemed to have more detail. The library is a very nice facility, and contains lots of other family genealogy information -- I did not have time to look into it to see the scope of coverage. I worked on the east coast for many years, but am now retired in Bloomington, IL. Hope this is of some use to some of you. George Irwin

For those of us in other parts of the U.S., it is so great to receive all of the large amounts of info that come across the Logan County rootsweb mail list. Without this interchange of info (so glad I am computerized, if you will) it would be a "snails mail" pace to receiving tid bits of into that can help to change a search direction. I have received so many directional leads for my own searches that I have gained from this mail list that I don't know if I will have the time to pursue them all but hopefully some day soon I too can share a mystery ancestor find in Logan County that will confirm persistence and patience does pay off. Pleases keep up this valuable exchange. Gratefully, JaneAnn Gifford, Member of Lee County Genealogical Society, Fort Myers, Florida Searches: Brazelton, Courtney, Craven, Green, Hazen, Robinson, Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 6:17 PM Subject: [ILLOGAN] Sangamon County newspapers > Paul, The Illinois State Journal's predecessor was the Sangamo Journal, it > began in 1831. The Illinois State Journal, which is now the State > Journal-Register, began in 1847. The early newspapers did not print an > obituary as we > know it today. Obituaries which give a lot of detail about the deceased > tend to > start appearing in the late 1870s to the 1880s. There is an index to the > Illinois State Journal for the years covering 1847 to 1850 located in the > new > Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library in Springfield. This index is geared > more > towards legal matters which appear in the newspaper. The Sangamon Valley > Collection at the Springfield Public Library which is know as the Lincoln > Library, > has an card index geared toward obituaries. This would be the best source > for researching specific obituaries in Sangamon County. Copies of the > microfilm > cost a minimum of $50.00 each and thus are too expensive for the Sangamon > County Genealogical Society to purchase, where the other newspapers are > less > expensive through the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library (ALPL). The > ALPL > will do searches for specific names only if they have a specific date. I > think > they charge $10.00 but am not sure on that fee. It is possible that your > ancestor may have an obituary which appears in the Springfield paper, but > your > best bet might be to check with the cemetery board if you know the > cemetery in > which they were buried or the church from which they were buried. We have > a > book on the Mechanicsburg cemetery which could be searched. There are no > newspapers for Waggner but a check of the Litchfield or Girard newspapers > might > help. Please feel free to email me on any other questions you might have > regarding Sangamon County. Sincerely, DAN Dixon > > Sangamon County Genealogical Society Office Library > 2856 South 11th Street (approx. 3 blocks north of Stevenson Drive and > approx. 2 1/2 blocks south of Bunn Golf Course) > Springfield, Illinois > Phone: 217-529-0546 > Email: [email protected] > Open Wednesday nights 5:30 to 9:00 or by appointment > Web Address: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilsangam/scgs/scgs.htm > > Dan Dixon - President/Editor > PO Box 1829 (Mailing Address) > Springfield, IL 62705-1829 > Email: [email protected] > Phone: 217-529-0542 > > > > > ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are in mail mode, send to > [email protected] If you are receiving messages in the > digest mode, send to [email protected] > >

That would be right after Wible died and the paper went south. Call the library up and ask them. 217 792-5919. You can probably figure it out through the newspaper project too if you do the right sort. The Historical Society is definitely different from the Muldoon Library. The library is on the street that runs from the square to the cemetery, Washington. There's generally someone at the Historical Society on Saturday but, again, if you are coming from a distance it is wise to call ahead and make sure. Things happen, particularly when the staff is 90% volunteer. Cheryl Rothwell [email protected] Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 2:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [ILLOGAN] Information on Mount Pulaski Can you tell me the hours that the Mount Pulaski Historical Society is open on Saturdays? Also, is there a library there that has editions of the Mount Pulaski Times-News that are not available at the library in Lincoln? There seems to be a fairly large gap in the 1970's-1980's that Lincoln does not have. Is the library different from the Historical Society? Bill Scroggin ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are in mail mode, send to [email protected] If you are receiving messages in the digest mode, send to [email protected] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 4/19/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 4/19/2005 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 4/19/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 4/19/2005

Can you tell me the hours that the Mount Pulaski Historical Society is open on Saturdays? Also, is there a library there that has editions of the Mount Pulaski Times-News that are not available at the library in Lincoln? There seems to be a fairly large gap in the 1970's-1980's that Lincoln does not have. Is the library different from the Historical Society? Bill Scroggin

Thank you for the obits. This is great. Bill Detmers LCGHS

While you all are talking about the Myers. Does anyone know more about these? Census: 1850 Logan Co. IL Myers, George W. 20 MD Miller 6000 (d battle of Shiloh 1862 aka Leo Washington on his tombstone) Caroline age 21 OH (Her maiden name was Richards, daughter of Josiah Richards and Nancy Powell - my 2nd great grandparents - Caroline d 1858 ) John W. age 1 IL (d 1854 bur Lucas Chapel Cem.) Ezra age 26 Md Rachael A. age 12 OH Census: 1860 Logan Co., IL 971/978 Richards, J. J. age 30 farmer b OH 3000/800 Eliza age 21 b IL Henrietta age 4 b IL Myres, Georgia age 9 b IL Joan --- Cheryl <[email protected]> wrote: > That's ok Paul. You have the Myers I was thinking > of. I managed to fry a pin > in my video cable today so I can't look but I'm > looking at the Copelands and > the Birks. Your Sarah Jane was the daughter of > Abraham Lucas Copeland and > Lydia Myers. > > Do you have anything on Lydia Myers? > > Cheryl Rothwell > [email protected] > Logan County ILGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~illogan > Central IL Regional Coordinator, ILGenWeb > Clark, Downing, Harding, Lucas, et al > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release > Date: 3/23/2005 > > > > ==== ILLOGAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the Logan County List if you are > in mail mode, send to > [email protected] If you are receiving > messages in the digest mode, send to > [email protected] > > Joan Black Lund [email protected] http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~joanlund/