Hi Celia, You mention this listing of cemeteries. Is there a web site that also lists the names of the persons in the cemeteries? I looking for the cemetery where Paul Dale/Deal was buried. He died about 1894 near Cornell Thank you. Mitzi On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 10:54:40 -0600 Celia Snyder <cgsnyder@uiuc.edu> writes: > You can find a list of cemeteries in Livingston County at the > Illinois State Genealogical Society web site: > > http://www.tbox.com/isgs/ilcemetery-al/Livingston.html > > It seems to be down right now, but you can get maps with specific > items (like cemeteries) indicated by going to the U.S. Geological > Survey web site which is searchable: > > http://www-nmd.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html > > Good luck! > > Celia > > >The Livingston County USGenWeb page does not contain a > map.....specifically, > >township locations. Does anyone know of an online county map that > would > >show all townships and, for that matter, cemetery locations? > >I don't believe anyone has any cemetery lists for each cemetery in > the > >county - at least I've never seen any - anyone know if a project to > >catalogue each and every cemetery within the county has ever been > done? > >I'm willing to drive there to look, but I without a map, the trip > would be > >pointless. > >John Reedy >

You can find a list of cemeteries in Livingston County at the Illinois State Genealogical Society web site: http://www.tbox.com/isgs/ilcemetery-al/Livingston.html It seems to be down right now, but you can get maps with specific items (like cemeteries) indicated by going to the U.S. Geological Survey web site which is searchable: http://www-nmd.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html Good luck! Celia >The Livingston County USGenWeb page does not contain a map.....specifically, >township locations. Does anyone know of an online county map that would >show all townships and, for that matter, cemetery locations? >I don't believe anyone has any cemetery lists for each cemetery in the >county - at least I've never seen any - anyone know if a project to >catalogue each and every cemetery within the county has ever been done? >I'm willing to drive there to look, but I without a map, the trip would be >pointless. >John Reedy

The Livingston County USGenWeb page does not contain a map.....specifically, township locations. Does anyone know of an online county map that would show all townships and, for that matter, cemetery locations? I don't believe anyone has any cemetery lists for each cemetery in the county - at least I've never seen any - anyone know if a project to catalogue each and every cemetery within the county has ever been done? I'm willing to drive there to look, but I without a map, the trip would be pointless. John Reedy

I am hoping some one can help me find a tombstone for Abel Johnson Bradley he married a Susan Defenbaugh and they are both buried in the Defenbaugh Cemetery in Reading, Livingston Co. IL. I believe he was born around the 1830's. Thank You Mary Bradley Houston _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Yes, Campus still has a Catholic Church that still open but it is over saw by Father Ricky from Dwight. 815-584-3522. As far as I know no other churches are still open there, Hope this helps. Kim Klein

Campus did have a Catholic church and a M.E. church in 1893. Both were still in operation in 1911, but I don't know whether they still exist or not.

William Rich Thanks for that bit of information about the churches in Pontiac. Now can you tell me if Campus was large enough to have a church in the late 1800. Helen Bryant

Hi, Every time you reply to a message, it puts the old message right along with it. You can delete all of that....instead of clogging things up with repeats of the same thing you are all complaining about. Now for some genealogy: Does anyone have any Franzens in the area of Windtown/Wintown? (Ostfriesians). How about Gerbers? Loeschen? Lani in Iowa

The 1991 Livingston County History records that the Presbyterian Church has been in Pontiac since at least 1857, and services conducted since 1852.

For Rose Adams and perhaps others: I have a Margaret McGuire who married William Lightholder, date and place unknown. They lived from perhaps 1847 through the later 1850s in the town of Milton, Saratoga Co., NY. Their children were born in Saratoga Co. in 1848, 1851, 1853, and 1856 and baptized at the Church of St. Peter, Saratoga Springs, and the youngest son was born in Peoria Co., IL c. 1863. The family is on the 1860 Richwoods Twp., Peoria Co. federal census, and on the 1865 Radnor Twp., Peoria Co. state census. In 1870 they were in Chenoa, McLean Co. federal census, and in 1880 on the Esmen Twp., Livingston Co., IL federal census. In the 1880s the family is believed to have lived in Saunemin, Livingston Co. William died in 1888 and Margaret in 1894, and both were buried at St. Mary's Cemetery, Pontiac. Both William and Margaret were born in Ireland, according to various censuses. Further, William's 1851 citizenship intention paper, filed in Saratoga Co., NY, says he was born in County "Made", which I believe is County Meath pronounced with a brogue. There were other McGuire people living in Saratoga Co., NY at this time, in the towns of Halfmoon, Saratoga Springs, and Waterford, with others in adjacent Albany Co. (town of Albany mainly). John Richards, a man of some means, and the witness for William Lightholder's Oath of Allegiance in 1853, also lived in the town of Milton. Among the laborers living in Richards' household in 1850 and 1855 was Patrick McGuire, born Ireland, age 30 in 1850 and 35 in 1855. It is possible Patrick was a brother to Margaret (McGuire) Lightholder who was 29 in 1855. Other Irish immigrants appear in Richards' household during various censuses. It seems probable that Richards (a Protestant) acted as a sponsor to various Irish immigrants, perhaps even paying for their passage, in return for their labor for several years. Lastly, a Mary McGuire was a sponsor at the child John Lightholder's 1853 baptism. Other connected surnames in NY are Waters, Kenney, Deo, Daley, and Kelly. Two of the Lightholder children married Browns from Saunemin, children of Edward and Elizabeth (Murray) Brown who were also Irish immigrants and Catholic. If any of this connects, please get in touch. Linda (Lightholder) Kmiecik tonky@ctnet.net

Are there adults here using this? I agree that this is not the place for viewing or reading someone else opinion on political stuff but do we have to get into the name calling. It does get pretty bad when you have to hit that "delete" button more than twenty times about the same thing. Please be more considerate of other people. I for one do have a life and have better things to do than to weed through all of this. Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: JIM FIELDS <honeydewkid@niia.net> To: <ILLIVING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [ILLIVING] Fw: Fw: Let's Not Go There Again! > THAT WHAT YOUR DELETE BUTTOM IS FOR STUPID!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Nervig" <dannervig@worldnet.att.net> > To: <ILLIVING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 11:36 AM > Subject: Re: [ILLIVING] Fw: Fw: Let's Not Go There Again! > > > > Mr. Julius DRONE > > > > I use these mail lists for GENEALOGY purposes. In my humble opinion, > > filling > > up the mail lists of this and other lists with these messages is > > INAPPROPRIATE, a waste of time, and a potential way to carry viruses. > > I receive approx. 50 emails per day and > > DO NOT want to mess with this type of email. And besides that, I don't > need > > this type of "information" to "assist" me in making a decision of whom I > > will vote for....I'm quite capable of making the decision on my own in > much > > more intellectual and factual ways. I did not read this information below > > after getting to the first "FICTION" after realizing what it was, and just > > because > > you sent it makes me feel more likely to vote FOR Mr. Gore, just for > spite! > > > > Jo Ellen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: julius drone <julius76@earthlink.net> > > To: <ILLIVING-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: 06 October, 2000 02:50 AM > > Subject: [ILLIVING] Fw: Fw: Let's Not Go There Again! > > > > > > > What ever your persuasion these you must evaluate; then protect your > > > right to gripe. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Millard Miles <millardm@sonic.net> > > > To: Wanda Wilson <wandaw@networld.com>; Ben Rose <brose@sonic.net>; > > > Joseph Natoli <natnest@aol.com>; Wayne Miles > > > <2mnyputz@concentric.net>; David Miles <mrtwoputt@aol.com>; George > > > McTiernan <balfrin@aol.com>; George Ish <cavalry106@aol.com>; Wayne > > > Faison <wblg-13@msn.com>; Charles Dunnet <cdunn@sonic.net>; Jamison > > > Bates <JohnMacNab@aol.com> > > > Cc: William <willreid@aol.com>; Steve Natoli <thedentalguy@aol.com>; > > > Millard Miles <millardm@sonic.net>; Keith Miles > > > <keith.miles@compaq.com>; Raymond Kelly <raymondkelly@earthlink.net>; > > > Robert Kelley <olebobkat@cs.com>; Jack Holland <srholnd@aol.com>; > > > James Edenburn <jedenbur@swbell.net>; Julius Drone > > > <julius76@earthlink.net> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 4:28 PM > > > Subject: Fw: Fw: Let's Not Go There Again! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " <> > > > > Subject: Fw: Fw: Let's Not Go There Again! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO WE REALLY NEED ANOTHER PATHOLOGICAL LIAR FOR PRESIDENT? > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore recently claimed that his mother-in-law pays > > > more > > > > than > > > > > > $100.00 for the arthritis medicine Lodine; and he claims that > > > his dog > > > > > > takes the same medicine for $37.00, claiming "This is wrong!" > > > > > > FACT: Gore's aides were quick to apologize for Gore's lie, > > > saying the > > > > > > information was from a > > > > > > Democratic study. Washington newspapers also reported that Al > > > Gore > > > > > wasn't > > > > > > > > > > > > even sure his mother-in-law was taking any medication and > > > wasn't even > > > > > > sure she had arthritis. And, he doesn't know anything > > > about his > > > > > > dog's "arthritis". > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore said his father, a senator, was a champion > > > of civil > > > > > > rights during the 1960's. > > > > > > FACT: Gore's father voted against the landmark Civil Rights > > > Act of > > > > > 1964 > > > > > > and was a racist who was fond of using the "N" word. The > > > Gore > > > > family > > > > > > had an African American nanny who they made wait in the car > > > while > > > > they > > > > > > ate > > > > > > at "Whites Only" Restaurants. > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore said that his sister was the very first > > > person to > > > > join > > > > > > the Peace Corps. > > > > > > FACT: By the time Gore's sister joined the Peace Corps, there > > > were > > > > > > already over 100 members. > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: The same sister died of lung cancer years later and > > > Gore > > > > vowed > > > > > > to never accept tobacco money as campaign contributions. > > > > > > FACT: Just four years later, while campaigning for office, > > > Gore > > > > spoke > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > the tobacco industry in Greenville North Carolina and said > > > he was > > > > one > > > > > > of them because "I've planted it, raised it, cut it, and dried > > > it." He > > > > > > raised over > > > > > > $100,000 in "reported" > > > > > > contributions. His Sister died in 1984 He did not stop > > > accepting > > > > > > campaign funding from Tobacco Company's until 1996. > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: While running for office, Gore's campaign literature > > > claimed > > > > > he > > > > > > was a "Brilliant Student". > > > > > > FACT: Washington newspapers said he barely passed Harvard and > > > > > > consistently earned D's and C's. > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Gore claims an extensive knowledge of law as a > > > result of his > > > > > > extensive study at law school. > > > > > > FACT: Al Gore dropped out of law school. > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Gore claimed that his knowledge of God and > > > spirituality came > > > > > to > > > > > > complete fruition while "finishing" divinity school. > > > > > > FACT: Al Gore dropped out of divinity school. > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore claimed responsibility for inventing the > > > Internet in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 1990's. > > > > > > FACT : Shocked scientists were quick to speak out, explaining > > > that > > > > the > > > > > > Internet had been in widespread use by government and > > > educational > > > > > > institutions since the early 1970's. > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore claimed the book "Love Story" was based on > > > his life > > > > > and > > > > > > Tipper's. > > > > > > FACT: Author Erich Segal called a press conference to deny > > > his claim. > > > > > > (Couldn't he at least lie about a love story where his > > > sweetheart > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > > die?" > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION : Gore claimed that as a reporter for a Nashville > > > newspaper, > > > > > his > > > > > > stories led to the arrests of numerous corrupt criminals. > > > > > > FACT: He later apologized for his claim and actually said it > > > was > > > > untrue > > > > > > (Also known as lying). > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Gore claims to increase diversity in the staff that > > > follows > > > > > him > > > > > > daily, especially among blacks. > > > > > > FACT: Black members of the Secret Service are suing because > > > they > > > > claim > > > > > > they are not being promoted to positions guarding the > > > Vice-President. > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore said he was the first to discover the Love > > > Canal > > > > > nuclear > > > > > > > > > > > > accident. > > > > > > FACT: The incident was already discovered, being > > > investigated, and > > > > > > covered widely in the press for many months before Gore was > > > aware of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Gore said just recently that if elected president, > > > he would > > > > > put > > > > > > harsh sanctions on the sleazy producers of Hollywood's > > > extreme sex > > > > and > > > > > > violence. > > > > > > FACT: Just six days later, Gore attended a fundraiser by > > > Hollywood > > > > > > producers and radical gay activists where he told them that > > > he would > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > pretend to "nudge them" if elected. He raised over $4 > > > million. > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore said he built his Tennessee home with his > > > bare > > > > hands. > > > > > > FACT : Totally false! > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore says parents should not have a choice > > > between > > > > private > > > > > > and public schools because public schools are far better. > > > > > > TRUTH : Al Gore attended private school and he has sent his > > > children > > > > to > > > > > > private schools. > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore remembers his mother lulling him to sleep as > > > a baby > > > > by > > > > > > singing the popular ditty, "Wear The Union Label". > > > > > > FACT: The popular ditty was created by the unions when Gore > > > was 27 > > > > > years > > > > > > old. > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore claimed to co-sponsor the McCain-Feingold > > > Campaign > > > > > > Reform Act. > > > > > > FACT: The Act was not sponsored until he had been out of > > > office for > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > a year. > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore claims to be instrumental in keeping gas > > > prices low. > > > > > > FACT: Gore has voted on numerous occasions to raise the tax > > > on > > > > > gasoline. > > > > > > In his book "Earth In The Balance" Gore claims that the > > > nation's > > > > Number > > > > > > One enemy is the internal combustion engine. (That's the > > > motor in > > > > your > > > > > > vehicle that gets you to work and takes your kids to school) > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Gore pretends to champion the rights of poor women > > > to be > > > > > tested > > > > > > regularly for breast cancer with the most modern technology. > > > > > > FACT: While giving a speech on the subject in September, Gore > > > didn't > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > what a mammogram was. > > > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: AL Gore promised Florida's senior citizens that they > > > would > > > > > > finally have low-cost drugs with no interference from > > > government. > > > > > > FACT: Gore's plan calls for the creation of a huge federal > > > agency > > > > that > > > > > > would tell you which doctor you > > > > > > are allowed to see in order to get the "special rates". > > > > > > > > > > > > FACT: Al Gore told NBC's Lisa Meyers that he had never told a > > > lie. > > > > When > > > > > > Meyers pressed harder, "You've never told a lie?!" Gore said, > > > "Not > > > > that > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > know of." SOUND FAMILIAR? > > > > > > > > > > > > Election Day is ticking away. E-mail this to as many people > > > as > > > > possible > > > > > > > > > > > or we could be living in an Al Gore fantasyland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ___ > > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile > > > at > > > > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Rose, Thanks for the info. Maybe I can learn something now. No news abour your McGuire though. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: <RAdams505@aol.com> To: <ILLIVING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 07 October 2000 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [ILLIVING] Presbyterian Church 1870s? The present church in Pontiac has been very receptive to my inquiries. I don't know exactly when it was founded, but it is very old. The secretary's name is Linda. Prebyterian Church of Pontiac 209 West Livingston St. Pontiac, IL 61764 ph. 815-844-7904 I am looking for burial site of Patrick McGuire who was buried from this church in 1916. Patrick's son George lived in Pontiac at that time. Would appreciate hearing from anyone who may have information. Rose Adams

Can anyone on the list tell me if there was a Presbyterian Church in Pontiac in the 1870s? Is anyone on the list a member of that church? Kevin California

The present church in Pontiac has been very receptive to my inquiries. I don't know exactly when it was founded, but it is very old. The secretary's name is Linda. Prebyterian Church of Pontiac 209 West Livingston St. Pontiac, IL 61764 ph. 815-844-7904 I am looking for burial site of Patrick McGuire who was buried from this church in 1916. Patrick's son George lived in Pontiac at that time. Would appreciate hearing from anyone who may have information. Rose Adams

What is a political piece doing on a geneology list? I hope the sender is talked to by the list owner!

Mr. Fields, Your response was as inappropriate as the original posting. This list is for genealogy research and not for espousing political views. Kathleen Healy

I can't believe such garbage was allowed on this site. This is for genealogy not a political forum. I did not read past the first couple of sentences and decided I now will vote for Vice-President Gore. Thank you for making up my mind.

THAT WHAT YOUR DELETE BUTTOM IS FOR STUPID!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Nervig" <dannervig@worldnet.att.net> To: <ILLIVING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [ILLIVING] Fw: Fw: Let's Not Go There Again! > Mr. Julius DRONE > > I use these mail lists for GENEALOGY purposes. In my humble opinion, > filling > up the mail lists of this and other lists with these messages is > INAPPROPRIATE, a waste of time, and a potential way to carry viruses. > I receive approx. 50 emails per day and > DO NOT want to mess with this type of email. And besides that, I don't need > this type of "information" to "assist" me in making a decision of whom I > will vote for....I'm quite capable of making the decision on my own in much > more intellectual and factual ways. I did not read this information below > after getting to the first "FICTION" after realizing what it was, and just > because > you sent it makes me feel more likely to vote FOR Mr. Gore, just for spite! > > Jo Ellen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: julius drone <julius76@earthlink.net> > To: <ILLIVING-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 06 October, 2000 02:50 AM > Subject: [ILLIVING] Fw: Fw: Let's Not Go There Again! > > > > What ever your persuasion these you must evaluate; then protect your > > right to gripe. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Millard Miles <millardm@sonic.net> > > To: Wanda Wilson <wandaw@networld.com>; Ben Rose <brose@sonic.net>; > > Joseph Natoli <natnest@aol.com>; Wayne Miles > > <2mnyputz@concentric.net>; David Miles <mrtwoputt@aol.com>; George > > McTiernan <balfrin@aol.com>; George Ish <cavalry106@aol.com>; Wayne > > Faison <wblg-13@msn.com>; Charles Dunnet <cdunn@sonic.net>; Jamison > > Bates <JohnMacNab@aol.com> > > Cc: William <willreid@aol.com>; Steve Natoli <thedentalguy@aol.com>; > > Millard Miles <millardm@sonic.net>; Keith Miles > > <keith.miles@compaq.com>; Raymond Kelly <raymondkelly@earthlink.net>; > > Robert Kelley <olebobkat@cs.com>; Jack Holland <srholnd@aol.com>; > > James Edenburn <jedenbur@swbell.net>; Julius Drone > > <julius76@earthlink.net> > > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 4:28 PM > > Subject: Fw: Fw: Let's Not Go There Again! > > > > > > > > > > " <> > > > Subject: Fw: Fw: Let's Not Go There Again! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO WE REALLY NEED ANOTHER PATHOLOGICAL LIAR FOR PRESIDENT? > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore recently claimed that his mother-in-law pays > > more > > > than > > > > > $100.00 for the arthritis medicine Lodine; and he claims that > > his dog > > > > > takes the same medicine for $37.00, claiming "This is wrong!" > > > > > FACT: Gore's aides were quick to apologize for Gore's lie, > > saying the > > > > > information was from a > > > > > Democratic study. Washington newspapers also reported that Al > > Gore > > > > wasn't > > > > > > > > > > even sure his mother-in-law was taking any medication and > > wasn't even > > > > > sure she had arthritis. And, he doesn't know anything > > about his > > > > > dog's "arthritis". > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore said his father, a senator, was a champion > > of civil > > > > > rights during the 1960's. > > > > > FACT: Gore's father voted against the landmark Civil Rights > > Act of > > > > 1964 > > > > > and was a racist who was fond of using the "N" word. The > > Gore > > > family > > > > > had an African American nanny who they made wait in the car > > while > > > they > > > > > ate > > > > > at "Whites Only" Restaurants. > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore said that his sister was the very first > > person to > > > join > > > > > the Peace Corps. > > > > > FACT: By the time Gore's sister joined the Peace Corps, there > > were > > > > > already over 100 members. > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: The same sister died of lung cancer years later and > > Gore > > > vowed > > > > > to never accept tobacco money as campaign contributions. > > > > > FACT: Just four years later, while campaigning for office, > > Gore > > > spoke > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > the tobacco industry in Greenville North Carolina and said > > he was > > > one > > > > > of them because "I've planted it, raised it, cut it, and dried > > it." He > > > > > raised over > > > > > $100,000 in "reported" > > > > > contributions. His Sister died in 1984 He did not stop > > accepting > > > > > campaign funding from Tobacco Company's until 1996. > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: While running for office, Gore's campaign literature > > claimed > > > > he > > > > > was a "Brilliant Student". > > > > > FACT: Washington newspapers said he barely passed Harvard and > > > > > consistently earned D's and C's. > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Gore claims an extensive knowledge of law as a > > result of his > > > > > extensive study at law school. > > > > > FACT: Al Gore dropped out of law school. > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Gore claimed that his knowledge of God and > > spirituality came > > > > to > > > > > complete fruition while "finishing" divinity school. > > > > > FACT: Al Gore dropped out of divinity school. > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore claimed responsibility for inventing the > > Internet in > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 1990's. > > > > > FACT : Shocked scientists were quick to speak out, explaining > > that > > > the > > > > > Internet had been in widespread use by government and > > educational > > > > > institutions since the early 1970's. > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore claimed the book "Love Story" was based on > > his life > > > > and > > > > > Tipper's. > > > > > FACT: Author Erich Segal called a press conference to deny > > his claim. > > > > > (Couldn't he at least lie about a love story where his > > sweetheart > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > die?" > > > > > > > > > > FICTION : Gore claimed that as a reporter for a Nashville > > newspaper, > > > > his > > > > > stories led to the arrests of numerous corrupt criminals. > > > > > FACT: He later apologized for his claim and actually said it > > was > > > untrue > > > > > (Also known as lying). > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Gore claims to increase diversity in the staff that > > follows > > > > him > > > > > daily, especially among blacks. > > > > > FACT: Black members of the Secret Service are suing because > > they > > > claim > > > > > they are not being promoted to positions guarding the > > Vice-President. > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore said he was the first to discover the Love > > Canal > > > > nuclear > > > > > > > > > > accident. > > > > > FACT: The incident was already discovered, being > > investigated, and > > > > > covered widely in the press for many months before Gore was > > aware of it. > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Gore said just recently that if elected president, > > he would > > > > put > > > > > harsh sanctions on the sleazy producers of Hollywood's > > extreme sex > > > and > > > > > violence. > > > > > FACT: Just six days later, Gore attended a fundraiser by > > Hollywood > > > > > producers and radical gay activists where he told them that > > he would > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > pretend to "nudge them" if elected. He raised over $4 > > million. > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore said he built his Tennessee home with his > > bare > > > hands. > > > > > FACT : Totally false! > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore says parents should not have a choice > > between > > > private > > > > > and public schools because public schools are far better. > > > > > TRUTH : Al Gore attended private school and he has sent his > > children > > > to > > > > > private schools. > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore remembers his mother lulling him to sleep as > > a baby > > > by > > > > > singing the popular ditty, "Wear The Union Label". > > > > > FACT: The popular ditty was created by the unions when Gore > > was 27 > > > > years > > > > > old. > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore claimed to co-sponsor the McCain-Feingold > > Campaign > > > > > Reform Act. > > > > > FACT: The Act was not sponsored until he had been out of > > office for > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > a year. > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore claims to be instrumental in keeping gas > > prices low. > > > > > FACT: Gore has voted on numerous occasions to raise the tax > > on > > > > gasoline. > > > > > In his book "Earth In The Balance" Gore claims that the > > nation's > > > Number > > > > > One enemy is the internal combustion engine. (That's the > > motor in > > > your > > > > > vehicle that gets you to work and takes your kids to school) > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: Gore pretends to champion the rights of poor women > > to be > > > > tested > > > > > regularly for breast cancer with the most modern technology. > > > > > FACT: While giving a speech on the subject in September, Gore > > didn't > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > what a mammogram was. > > > > > > > > > > FICTION: AL Gore promised Florida's senior citizens that they > > would > > > > > finally have low-cost drugs with no interference from > > government. > > > > > FACT: Gore's plan calls for the creation of a huge federal > > agency > > > that > > > > > would tell you which doctor you > > > > > are allowed to see in order to get the "special rates". > > > > > > > > > > FACT: Al Gore told NBC's Lisa Meyers that he had never told a > > lie. > > > When > > > > > Meyers pressed harder, "You've never told a lie?!" Gore said, > > "Not > > > that > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > know of." SOUND FAMILIAR? > > > > > > > > > > Election Day is ticking away. E-mail this to as many people > > as > > > possible > > > > > > > > > or we could be living in an Al Gore fantasyland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ___ > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile > > at > > > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I would appreciate it if the list could be kept neutral as far as religion and politics go. I for one am very offended that someone would use this forum to speak out on their own personal political views. Thank You for keeping it GENEALOGY Mary _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Mr. Julius DRONE I use these mail lists for GENEALOGY purposes. In my humble opinion, filling up the mail lists of this and other lists with these messages is INAPPROPRIATE, a waste of time, and a potential way to carry viruses. I receive approx. 50 emails per day and DO NOT want to mess with this type of email. And besides that, I don't need this type of "information" to "assist" me in making a decision of whom I will vote for....I'm quite capable of making the decision on my own in much more intellectual and factual ways. I did not read this information below after getting to the first "FICTION" after realizing what it was, and just because you sent it makes me feel more likely to vote FOR Mr. Gore, just for spite! Jo Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: julius drone <julius76@earthlink.net> To: <ILLIVING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 06 October, 2000 02:50 AM Subject: [ILLIVING] Fw: Fw: Let's Not Go There Again! > What ever your persuasion these you must evaluate; then protect your > right to gripe. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Millard Miles <millardm@sonic.net> > To: Wanda Wilson <wandaw@networld.com>; Ben Rose <brose@sonic.net>; > Joseph Natoli <natnest@aol.com>; Wayne Miles > <2mnyputz@concentric.net>; David Miles <mrtwoputt@aol.com>; George > McTiernan <balfrin@aol.com>; George Ish <cavalry106@aol.com>; Wayne > Faison <wblg-13@msn.com>; Charles Dunnet <cdunn@sonic.net>; Jamison > Bates <JohnMacNab@aol.com> > Cc: William <willreid@aol.com>; Steve Natoli <thedentalguy@aol.com>; > Millard Miles <millardm@sonic.net>; Keith Miles > <keith.miles@compaq.com>; Raymond Kelly <raymondkelly@earthlink.net>; > Robert Kelley <olebobkat@cs.com>; Jack Holland <srholnd@aol.com>; > James Edenburn <jedenbur@swbell.net>; Julius Drone > <julius76@earthlink.net> > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 4:28 PM > Subject: Fw: Fw: Let's Not Go There Again! > > > > > > " <> > > Subject: Fw: Fw: Let's Not Go There Again! > > > > > > > > > > > DO WE REALLY NEED ANOTHER PATHOLOGICAL LIAR FOR PRESIDENT? > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore recently claimed that his mother-in-law pays > more > > than > > > > $100.00 for the arthritis medicine Lodine; and he claims that > his dog > > > > takes the same medicine for $37.00, claiming "This is wrong!" > > > > FACT: Gore's aides were quick to apologize for Gore's lie, > saying the > > > > information was from a > > > > Democratic study. Washington newspapers also reported that Al > Gore > > > wasn't > > > > > > > > even sure his mother-in-law was taking any medication and > wasn't even > > > > sure she had arthritis. And, he doesn't know anything > about his > > > > dog's "arthritis". > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore said his father, a senator, was a champion > of civil > > > > rights during the 1960's. > > > > FACT: Gore's father voted against the landmark Civil Rights > Act of > > > 1964 > > > > and was a racist who was fond of using the "N" word. The > Gore > > family > > > > had an African American nanny who they made wait in the car > while > > they > > > > ate > > > > at "Whites Only" Restaurants. > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore said that his sister was the very first > person to > > join > > > > the Peace Corps. > > > > FACT: By the time Gore's sister joined the Peace Corps, there > were > > > > already over 100 members. > > > > > > > > FICTION: The same sister died of lung cancer years later and > Gore > > vowed > > > > to never accept tobacco money as campaign contributions. > > > > FACT: Just four years later, while campaigning for office, > Gore > > spoke > > > to > > > > > > > > the tobacco industry in Greenville North Carolina and said > he was > > one > > > > of them because "I've planted it, raised it, cut it, and dried > it." He > > > > raised over > > > > $100,000 in "reported" > > > > contributions. His Sister died in 1984 He did not stop > accepting > > > > campaign funding from Tobacco Company's until 1996. > > > > > > > > FICTION: While running for office, Gore's campaign literature > claimed > > > he > > > > was a "Brilliant Student". > > > > FACT: Washington newspapers said he barely passed Harvard and > > > > consistently earned D's and C's. > > > > > > > > FICTION: Gore claims an extensive knowledge of law as a > result of his > > > > extensive study at law school. > > > > FACT: Al Gore dropped out of law school. > > > > > > > > FICTION: Gore claimed that his knowledge of God and > spirituality came > > > to > > > > complete fruition while "finishing" divinity school. > > > > FACT: Al Gore dropped out of divinity school. > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore claimed responsibility for inventing the > Internet in > > > the > > > > > > > > 1990's. > > > > FACT : Shocked scientists were quick to speak out, explaining > that > > the > > > > Internet had been in widespread use by government and > educational > > > > institutions since the early 1970's. > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore claimed the book "Love Story" was based on > his life > > > and > > > > Tipper's. > > > > FACT: Author Erich Segal called a press conference to deny > his claim. > > > > (Couldn't he at least lie about a love story where his > sweetheart > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > die?" > > > > > > > > FICTION : Gore claimed that as a reporter for a Nashville > newspaper, > > > his > > > > stories led to the arrests of numerous corrupt criminals. > > > > FACT: He later apologized for his claim and actually said it > was > > untrue > > > > (Also known as lying). > > > > > > > > FICTION: Gore claims to increase diversity in the staff that > follows > > > him > > > > daily, especially among blacks. > > > > FACT: Black members of the Secret Service are suing because > they > > claim > > > > they are not being promoted to positions guarding the > Vice-President. > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore said he was the first to discover the Love > Canal > > > nuclear > > > > > > > > accident. > > > > FACT: The incident was already discovered, being > investigated, and > > > > covered widely in the press for many months before Gore was > aware of it. > > > > > > > > FICTION: Gore said just recently that if elected president, > he would > > > put > > > > harsh sanctions on the sleazy producers of Hollywood's > extreme sex > > and > > > > violence. > > > > FACT: Just six days later, Gore attended a fundraiser by > Hollywood > > > > producers and radical gay activists where he told them that > he would > > > only > > > > > > > > pretend to "nudge them" if elected. He raised over $4 > million. > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore said he built his Tennessee home with his > bare > > hands. > > > > FACT : Totally false! > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore says parents should not have a choice > between > > private > > > > and public schools because public schools are far better. > > > > TRUTH : Al Gore attended private school and he has sent his > children > > to > > > > private schools. > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore remembers his mother lulling him to sleep as > a baby > > by > > > > singing the popular ditty, "Wear The Union Label". > > > > FACT: The popular ditty was created by the unions when Gore > was 27 > > > years > > > > old. > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore claimed to co-sponsor the McCain-Feingold > Campaign > > > > Reform Act. > > > > FACT: The Act was not sponsored until he had been out of > office for > > > over > > > > > > > > a year. > > > > > > > > FICTION: Al Gore claims to be instrumental in keeping gas > prices low. > > > > FACT: Gore has voted on numerous occasions to raise the tax > on > > > gasoline. > > > > In his book "Earth In The Balance" Gore claims that the > nation's > > Number > > > > One enemy is the internal combustion engine. (That's the > motor in > > your > > > > vehicle that gets you to work and takes your kids to school) > > > > > > > > FICTION: Gore pretends to champion the rights of poor women > to be > > > tested > > > > regularly for breast cancer with the most modern technology. > > > > FACT: While giving a speech on the subject in September, Gore > didn't > > > know > > > > > > > > what a mammogram was. > > > > > > > > FICTION: AL Gore promised Florida's senior citizens that they > would > > > > finally have low-cost drugs with no interference from > government. > > > > FACT: Gore's plan calls for the creation of a huge federal > agency > > that > > > > would tell you which doctor you > > > > are allowed to see in order to get the "special rates". > > > > > > > > FACT: Al Gore told NBC's Lisa Meyers that he had never told a > lie. > > When > > > > Meyers pressed harder, "You've never told a lie?!" Gore said, > "Not > > that > > > I > > > > > > > > know of." SOUND FAMILIAR? > > > > > > > > Election Day is ticking away. E-mail this to as many people > as > > possible > > > > > > > or we could be living in an Al Gore fantasyland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ___ > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile > at > > > > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >