There is an Ole (b abt 1789) and Caroline (b abt 1791)Hayer in Mission(Miller) Twp in the 1860 Census. Any chance they are the parents? Could Ole and Oliver be siblings? The 1850 census has in Mission Twp a Andrew, aged 35 and Olina, aged 30, HYER. Directly above them on the list is Ole (jr.?), aged 38, and Margaret, aged 39, HYER. Other Hyer's in the 1850 census for Mission Twp. Hans, aged 28, and Sarah, aged 18, both born in Norway Oliver, aged 31, and Julia, aged 29, both born in Norway. Did not see Ole, Sr., perhaps he came after? I live south of the river, so my knowledge of Mission/Miller Twp is limited. I don't know when Miller Twp. was created from Mission Twp. Julia (Oliver) Hayer is listed as having an obit in the Streator paper dated Feb. 25, 1904. -- Streatorland Historical Society 306 South Vermillion Street Streator, Illinois 61364 Monday - Friday 9:30 - 2:30 Sunday 1 - 4 p.m.

I just got a death cert for the groom and it says he was 34 when first married. As for the bride, I have no clue, but they did not have any children in this marriage. Just in case someone on the list is researching these people I am looking for Charles BEEBE m to Malissa BANCROFT 11/13/1863/ 2537 LaSalle. On the death cert, it shows Melissa. Thank you all for your input, Nana ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cltiv8tr@aol.com> To: <ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 6:03 AM Subject: [ILLASALLE] Re: Cost of a Marriage Cert > > Bonnie - > > If someone replies to this question off-list, please post the answer here > for all to see. I've been searching to the answer to this question as > well. I > believe we had a very large discussion about this on the Bureau County > list > a number of years ago. > > I also have an ancestor who married young. When she married in 1885, she > was just 14 years old, but gave her age as 15 on the certificate. I > believe > her maternal grandmother gave permission for her marriage, although the > record > is somewhat unclear about that. Another relative married in 1874 at the > age > of 14 with the permission granted by her mother (father was deceased). > Although these are decades after your 1858 marriage, it does appear that > at this > time, marriages could take place at that age as long as the adult with > responsibility for their care, gave permission for the marriage to take > place. > > Shelly > > Thanks Tim. > > What was Illinois legal age for marriage in 1858? One of the girls was > only > fourteen when she was married (unheard of, at least in the bride's > family) > but I suspect she married without parental permission. The groom, age > 21 > was a farmer's son from Putnam Co. She was a farmer's daughter from > LaSalle > Co. and they were married in Livingston Co. perhaps in order to hide the > marriage from her father. > > Bonnie > > > > > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

I am new to the list and recently found in the IL marriage list my ancestor who married in 1863. As it is in the listing I want to request a certificate and I am writing to the La Salle County Courthouse as suggested. Does anyone know the cost of this service? On the site it says that all counties differ in costs. Has anyone had recent experience is requesting a marriage cert. Can you tell me how much for this? Thank you, Nana(NAY-na) RUTHERFORD Redell

Dear Gwen, If you have access to 1880 Illinois Census, Il, LaSalle County, Dist 76 page 452b you will find Andrew Hayer age 64 from Norway and his wife Helen Hayer age 34 also from Norway They are living in family 116/119 with her mother Danels, Sarah age 7, mo-in-iaw and Danels, Donelson age 36, br-in-law. I feel certain the ages are mixed up for the last two. There are lots of Norwegians on this page and several other Hayer families. If you don't have a access to either a computer where you can get the info from Ancestry.com on a two week trial membership (free) or at or a library which has Census records, I"ll copy this page and post it to you, so you'll need to send your postal address. Jane Bubier On Apr 1, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Gwen B wrote: > Would someone so kind do a census lookup for me on the following > family line from Miller Township, LaSalle Co., IL.? > > Anders "Andrew" Larsson HAYER > b: 22 Nov 1815 in Moli, Tinn, Telemark, Norway > d: 26 Feb 1899 in Miller, La Salle, Illinoi > Spouse: Ellen DANIELSON > b: 24 Jun 1826 in Of Miller, La Salle, Illinois > d: 5 May 1925 in Miller, La Salle, Illinois > married: 1845 Miller Township, LaSalle, Illinois > > Trying to come up with children of the family line, date of birth, > marriages, dod. > Gwen > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Jane, I am not subscribed to Ancestry.com. Would you please write to me offlist. Gwen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Bubier" <drane@comcast.net> To: <ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [ILLASALLE] RE: Anders Larsson Hayer > Dear Gwen, If you have access to 1880 Illinois Census, Il, LaSalle > County, Dist 76 page 452b you will find Andrew Hayer age 64 from > Norway and his wife Helen Hayer age 34 also from Norway They are living > in family 116/119 with her mother Danels, Sarah age 7, mo-in-iaw and > Danels, Donelson age 36, br-in-law. I feel certain the ages are mixed > up for the last two. There are lots of Norwegians on this page and > several other Hayer families. If you don't have a access to either a > computer where you can get the info from Ancestry.com on a two week > trial membership (free) or at or a library which has Census records, > I"ll copy this page and post it to you, so you'll need to send your > postal address. Jane Bubier > On Apr 1, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Gwen B wrote: > > > Would someone so kind do a census lookup for me on the following > > family line from Miller Township, LaSalle Co., IL.? > > > > Anders "Andrew" Larsson HAYER > > b: 22 Nov 1815 in Moli, Tinn, Telemark, Norway > > d: 26 Feb 1899 in Miller, La Salle, Illinoi > > Spouse: Ellen DANIELSON > > b: 24 Jun 1826 in Of Miller, La Salle, Illinois > > d: 5 May 1925 in Miller, La Salle, Illinois > > married: 1845 Miller Township, LaSalle, Illinois > > > > Trying to come up with children of the family line, date of birth, > > marriages, dod. > > Gwen > > > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Would someone so kind do a census lookup for me on the following family line from Miller Township, LaSalle Co., IL.? Anders "Andrew" Larsson HAYER b: 22 Nov 1815 in Moli, Tinn, Telemark, Norway d: 26 Feb 1899 in Miller, La Salle, Illinoi Spouse: Ellen DANIELSON b: 24 Jun 1826 in Of Miller, La Salle, Illinois d: 5 May 1925 in Miller, La Salle, Illinois married: 1845 Miller Township, LaSalle, Illinois Trying to come up with children of the family line, date of birth, marriages, dod. Gwen

Hi Joanie Thank you for your suggestions. I am going to order James Sexton's will for a start. What about Naturalization records? I notice there are 14 reels of naturalization index cards for LaSalle County available at the LDS. Would they be of any value in my search? We know that Charles Rumble was born in England. I would like to prove that he actually went from Canada to Illinois in the mid-1850's. Bonnie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 3/18/2005

Probably nothing on the marriage, too early. James Sexton had a will, he died 1875?. Maybe he left something to his "brother-in-law?" The La Salle Co. Genealogy Guild has the org. of the will. Where was Charles when his brother in law died? Kansas? Would there be a death notice/obit for Sexton, "saying brother in law of Rumble died?" We have a lot of those in the Streator paper. When did Charles and his wife die? Their obit could have made the Streator paper. There are a lot of "wife's brother, in- law's, obits in the paper with no name of the deceased. FYI - There was an Isaac Carle living in Bruce in 1850, he and his wife had a child, named Elizabeth born about 1838. Since Elizabeth and Chas. first son was Isaac, that was probably her father. I don't know what happened to Isaac and Jane Carle. I will look and see ir I can find anything. -- Streatorland Historical Society 306 South Vermillion Street Streator, Illinois 61364 Monday - Friday 9:30 - 2:30 Sunday 1 - 4 p.m.

Hi Joanie You helped me in January with information about James Sexton and his wife, Elizabeth Rumble of Bruce, LaSalle Co. At that time you mentioned Charles Rumble in the 1870 cenuss age 36 born in PA. lin sec 24 on the plat book with J. Sexton and S. Cate and asked whether he was related. I said he was not because Elizabeth Rumble Sexton's brother, Charles Rumble was would have been 44, born England. I am now in contact with someone who is tracing the Charles Rumble who lived in LaSalle. She says he wa born in England "ca. 1830). So, now we are looking for something to prove that Charles Rumble who lived Streator was Elizabeth Rumble Sexton's brother. We are quite certain he is but would like something a bit more tangible that what we have at the moment. Can you make any suggestions? To refresh what is known, the Sextons were married in Canada 1842 and appear in the 1850 census for Bruce, LaSalle Charles Rumble was married in LaSalle Co. RUMPLE, Charles to CARLE, Elizabeth 02 24 1857 B /----- 2855 LaSalle (on-line statewide index). Would the marriage record give groom's father so we could cross reference with my Charles Rumble's parents? Charles and Elizabeth Rumble had several children in LaSalle Co. Isaac ( 1858), Miriam J. ( 1860), Lucy M. (1863), Mary M. (1865), Rilla B. (1867), Phoebe A. (1873). Another child was born at Wellington, Sumner Co. Kansas 1877). Any suggestions would be gratefully received. Bonnie -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 3/15/2005

We who use the Digest method probably never see your message unless as we review the subjects, we see a surname that clicks...just saying "New to the List" doesn't work for us...we simply skip over it because we do not have the time to read all the messages. Jo-Ann SEITZINGER

Hi Folks, I've just joined this list, due to a recent clue that I need to investigate. There is a Lawrence RYAN listed on the 1870 census in LaSalle. In his household is wife Mary, and children Mary E., age 13 and John, age 9. Lawrence and Mary were born in Ireland, and the children were born in Ohio. My greatgrandmothers name was Ellen "Nellie" RYAN, and she was born in Ohio abt 1860. My father was told his whole life that Nellie was from Illinois. All documentation that Nellie was a part of indicates birthplace as Ohio. After Nellie died, the children answered their mother was from Illinois. I have been stuck for about a year on this, as I've never been able to find Nellie in a family unit with her parents Lawrence & Mary. This particular family appears to be promising as a match, but I need to do the work and get verification. Nellie was living in Cincinnati in 1880, in the Charles Taft household as a servant. She married William MARTIN, a waiter at Hunt's Hotel in Cincinnati on 3 NOV 1880, at St. Xavier's Church. I have the marriage record from the church. Between the date of marriage and 4 SEP 1881, Nellie & William moved to New York City. Their firstborn came on that date, a daughter they named Mary E. If anyone has any information on the family stated above in the 1870 census, I'd be most grateful. Also, any websites that would be searchable for records in the LaSalle area would be appreciated. I should also mention that Mary RYAN, wife on that census, her maiden name was McCloud/McLeod. Can anyone tell me what sort of work would take a person from Ohio to Illinois? Could it be railroad? Thanks so much in advance for any suggestions, I really appreciate it. Lori

The marriage took place before 1877 and the information on the marriage license before that date does not list parents or place of birth. If they were married in a Catholic church , the church records might give the parents names. Jenan Jobst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie Westcott" <tinconnie3@yahoo.com> To: <ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [ILLASALLE] New to List, LaSalle County ancestors, ENGLEMAN John and Ursula > Hi Terry, > Thanks for the quick reply! Because I have seen and been told both Bavaria and Berlin, Germany as a place of their births I am hoping that their marriage record might state for sure which place they were really from so that I can know where to search next. The little 4 month old Lizzie was my Great Grandmother. > Again, thanks for the reply! > Connie Westcott > > Terry <tdavi10610@cox.net> wrote: > Connie > I found in the 1880 census in Bureau Co., Illinois a John Engleman who was > married to a Ursula with the following children - Rosa; Minnie and Lizzie. > John was shown as being 29 years of age and born in Bavaria and Ursula was > shown as 24 and also born in Bavaria. Any help Good Luck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Connie Westcott" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:54 AM > Subject: [ILLASALLE] New to List, LaSalle County ancestors, ENGLEMAN John > and Ursula > > > > Hi, my name is Connie and I am new to the LaSalle County, Illinois list. I > > am in search of info. on my Great Great Grandparents, John N. ENGLEMAN and > > wife Ursula MEYER/MEIER that were married in LaSalle County on September > > 06, 1874. Could someone please do a lookup on them? I have not been able > > to find out their parents names or from where in Germany they were born > > and am hoping that the marriage record might state this needed info. > > Thanks, Connie Westcott > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

still in MN in 1910 but Rusheba TWP Chisago county. John N 59 with wife Katherina? 53 and son Lawrence 17 who was born in Iowa. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie Westcott" <tinconnie3@yahoo.com> To: <ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [ILLASALLE] New to List, LaSalle County ancestors, ENGLEMAN John and Ursula > Hi Terry, > Thanks for the quick reply! Because I have seen and been told both Bavaria and Berlin, Germany as a place of their births I am hoping that their marriage record might state for sure which place they were really from so that I can know where to search next. The little 4 month old Lizzie was my Great Grandmother. > Again, thanks for the reply! > Connie Westcott > > Terry <tdavi10610@cox.net> wrote: > Connie > I found in the 1880 census in Bureau Co., Illinois a John Engleman who was > married to a Ursula with the following children - Rosa; Minnie and Lizzie. > John was shown as being 29 years of age and born in Bavaria and Ursula was > shown as 24 and also born in Bavaria. Any help Good Luck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Connie Westcott" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:54 AM > Subject: [ILLASALLE] New to List, LaSalle County ancestors, ENGLEMAN John > and Ursula > > > > Hi, my name is Connie and I am new to the LaSalle County, Illinois list. I > > am in search of info. on my Great Great Grandparents, John N. ENGLEMAN and > > wife Ursula MEYER/MEIER that were married in LaSalle County on September > > 06, 1874. Could someone please do a lookup on them? I have not been able > > to find out their parents names or from where in Germany they were born > > and am hoping that the marriage record might state this needed info. > > Thanks, Connie Westcott > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > ============================== > > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

I think I found them in 1900 they are in Rush City, Chisago Co., MN in 1900 Engleman, John and wife Ursula both born in Germany. Kids are: John & Barbara and they are listed as son and daughter then there is another which looks like name is Lorenzo? and relationson ship is mog/boy? it also said they came in 1873. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie Westcott" <tinconnie3@yahoo.com> To: <ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [ILLASALLE] New to List, LaSalle County ancestors, ENGLEMAN John and Ursula > Hi Terry, > Thanks for the quick reply! Because I have seen and been told both Bavaria and Berlin, Germany as a place of their births I am hoping that their marriage record might state for sure which place they were really from so that I can know where to search next. The little 4 month old Lizzie was my Great Grandmother. > Again, thanks for the reply! > Connie Westcott > > Terry <tdavi10610@cox.net> wrote: > Connie > I found in the 1880 census in Bureau Co., Illinois a John Engleman who was > married to a Ursula with the following children - Rosa; Minnie and Lizzie. > John was shown as being 29 years of age and born in Bavaria and Ursula was > shown as 24 and also born in Bavaria. Any help Good Luck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Connie Westcott" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:54 AM > Subject: [ILLASALLE] New to List, LaSalle County ancestors, ENGLEMAN John > and Ursula > > > > Hi, my name is Connie and I am new to the LaSalle County, Illinois list. I > > am in search of info. on my Great Great Grandparents, John N. ENGLEMAN and > > wife Ursula MEYER/MEIER that were married in LaSalle County on September > > 06, 1874. Could someone please do a lookup on them? I have not been able > > to find out their parents names or from where in Germany they were born > > and am hoping that the marriage record might state this needed info. > > Thanks, Connie Westcott > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Connie I found in the 1880 census in Bureau Co., Illinois a John Engleman who was married to a Ursula with the following children - Rosa; Minnie and Lizzie. John was shown as being 29 years of age and born in Bavaria and Ursula was shown as 24 and also born in Bavaria. Any help Good Luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie Westcott" <tinconnie3@yahoo.com> To: <ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:54 AM Subject: [ILLASALLE] New to List, LaSalle County ancestors, ENGLEMAN John and Ursula > Hi, my name is Connie and I am new to the LaSalle County, Illinois list. I > am in search of info. on my Great Great Grandparents, John N. ENGLEMAN and > wife Ursula MEYER/MEIER that were married in LaSalle County on September > 06, 1874. Could someone please do a lookup on them? I have not been able > to find out their parents names or from where in Germany they were born > and am hoping that the marriage record might state this needed info. > Thanks, Connie Westcott > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Hi Terry, Thanks for the quick reply! Because I have seen and been told both Bavaria and Berlin, Germany as a place of their births I am hoping that their marriage record might state for sure which place they were really from so that I can know where to search next. The little 4 month old Lizzie was my Great Grandmother. Again, thanks for the reply! Connie Westcott Terry <tdavi10610@cox.net> wrote: Connie I found in the 1880 census in Bureau Co., Illinois a John Engleman who was married to a Ursula with the following children - Rosa; Minnie and Lizzie. John was shown as being 29 years of age and born in Bavaria and Ursula was shown as 24 and also born in Bavaria. Any help Good Luck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie Westcott" To: Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:54 AM Subject: [ILLASALLE] New to List, LaSalle County ancestors, ENGLEMAN John and Ursula > Hi, my name is Connie and I am new to the LaSalle County, Illinois list. I > am in search of info. on my Great Great Grandparents, John N. ENGLEMAN and > wife Ursula MEYER/MEIER that were married in LaSalle County on September > 06, 1874. Could someone please do a lookup on them? I have not been able > to find out their parents names or from where in Germany they were born > and am hoping that the marriage record might state this needed info. > Thanks, Connie Westcott > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!

Hi, my name is Connie and I am new to the LaSalle County, Illinois list. I am in search of info. on my Great Great Grandparents, John N. ENGLEMAN and wife Ursula MEYER/MEIER that were married in LaSalle County on September 06, 1874. Could someone please do a lookup on them? I have not been able to find out their parents names or from where in Germany they were born and am hoping that the marriage record might state this needed info. Thanks, Connie Westcott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Am new to this list. Am looking for family of Frederick Julius Meyer who came from LaSalle-Licingston County area. Parents were John J. Meyer and his second wife Mary Timm. The two children of John's first marriage to Lena Stein were Amelia married to George Hastings and Lizzie (Elizabeth) married to William McMillan. Frederick's wife may have been Etta Guppy or Emma Mackinson. Their son's name is remembered as Thurlow. Any information will be appreciated. We can fill you in on John Meyer's life and parents. Thank you. Sophie Gottemoller

Try 'er again, Dick. If just clicking on the link in the last post doesn't work, try copying the link and pasting it into the address line of your browser, or actually type the address in. Tim -----Original Message----- From: RCorri8411@aol.com [mailto:RCorri8411@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:13 AM To: ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILLASALLE] GENEALOGY LOOK UP FORUM I can't get this to go beyond .com---what am I doing wrong ? Dick ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Thanks to the many list members who posted information, on and off list, with reference to Henry and Charlotte CLEAL - LaSalle Co. Regards. David