Hi Tim, Thanks yes that's a great site and a great way to find a vet and his military route. Delos did live in Pontiac for a time. Cindy Tim Bryant <tpbryant9@yahoo.com> wrote: Cindy, Sorry--this question slipped through the Net yesterday. Yes, I had forgotten about the fee for records requested by folks from out of state. I believe your reading is correct. Also, I was just dinking around on the National Archives site and found a link to the Civil War Soldiers and Sailors site at http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/index.html. Maybe you've already done this with Delos. I entered the details for him, and up pops his basic record and a summary of the regimental history. You can get all the regimental histories from the Illinois Civil War site, but you have to download a big file. At Soldiers and Sailors, you get just the regiment for the person you're looking for. In this case: "Organized at Pontiac and mustered in September 8, 1862. Moved to Louisville, Ky., September 22. . . . [movements and battles with links to details over the next three years, culminating with "Occupation of Raleigh April 14"]. Delos participated in Sherman's March to the Sea, and was mustered out at Washington, D.C, in June 8, 1865. It's interesting to see the unit was organized at Pontiac. That may account for the listing of Residence as Livingston County on his state record. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Mac Suibhne [mailto:barkupthetree@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 5:46 PM To: ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILLASALLE] Costs of information One more thing and then I'll keep quiet about the cost of genealogical papers. Am I reading the Ill. State Archives correctly? Because I'm not a resident of Ill. the fee for 2 uncertified muster roll papers are $10.00? I'd be happy to send for them if I'm reading that correctly. For some reason I can't get into the site to order online but I can just send for them. Cindy ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Leslie WOW!! what an advantage, I paid the $3.25 a roll at the FHC, waited 3 weeks, copied from a copy machine at .25 and it was a big file. I left there paying for half and owing half there were so many pages. I think the whole file was 78 pages. That's probably extreme because I have another Rev. Vet and his was 8 pages but Shelly's right the more they moved around the more file there seems. It's great you can get them online. Cindy LIPS0160@aol.com wrote: Jane, Now I'd like to interrupt... LOL .... Heritage now has the Rev Pension files. If you give me the name of the person that you're looking for, I can e mail the whole file to you in a matter of hours! Let me know if you want my help. Leslie ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Thank you so much Shelly, I don't have Ancestry but that's Delos. He was postmaster of the LaSalle Post Office and died in 1906. His wife was Eliza. Delos was born in New York, moved to Kirtland, Ohio with his Mormon family, his mother was Charlotte(nee) Young. Then in route to Utah his mother died (where? When?) and he and his sister Celestia settled between Walworth Wisc. and LaSalle Ill. Those files could be lengthy considering he filed then she filed. Just to let those on this line know in the event you didn't It is true, virtually all of the POPULATION schedules were destroyed in a fire in 1921 (and apparently portions of some other years as well), but the Special census, while taken at the same time, were different schedules and were handled differently. I think there are a few counties in the U.S. that were salvaged after the fire. While the census was never intended to count Confederate veterans or veterans of other conflicts, many were included on the schedules. Mexican War veterans were often listed-- it is known that for every state where the schedules still exist, Confederate veterans were included and in some locales, particularily in the South, some schedules were entirely Confederate veterans and widows. In summary, veterans and widows(even occassionally mothers of veterans) of either side or of any military service whatsoever, are known to have been listed. http://www.arealdomain.com/history.html Info taken from this above site from Gordon Byers. Ancestry does have the indexed pension file cards on their pay site. Thanks again Shelly you been a big deciding factor for sending for Delos papers. Have a nice day, Cindy P.S. LaSalle does have a 1883 pensioners file index online that includes vets from the War of 1812 The pensioners were primarily Union veterans from the Civil War and survivors of the War of 1812 but also included other service as well. In addition to the veterans themselves, family members receiving pensions based on said service were also included. Pensioners on the Roll was prepared from the official government records of the time, so this listing is likely to be one of the most complete and accurate records of the time. http://www.arealdomain.com/pensioners1883.html Cltiv8tr@aol.com wrote: Hi Cindy - Do you have access to Ancestry? You can view the application the widow made. Here's what I see. . . On June 24, 1889, there was a filing that stated he was an invalid. Clearly, he was still living at this point, therefore, there may be testimony that he made in the file. This differs from the three files I have in which the widows all filed for pensions after their husband's died. Then there is a widow's filing, wife's name Eliza. If I'm reading this correctly, it is dated Mar. 5, 1914. I can't be 100% sure of that date as the J from the June loops way down into that part of the form. It does NOT look like an 0, however. The length of the enlistment was fairly long - 1862 - 1865. He was mustered out rather than sent out on disability. Because of this, there is a chance that the widow had a difficult time proving that her husband was indeed disabled from his service in the war, which might create an nice environment for a lot of testimony. Also, if the 1910 Delos in LaSalle County is your guy, that record notes that this is a second marriage for both he and Eliza. A friend who ordered the full file from NARA received the marriage date and death date of her ancestor's first wife. This helped her to be able to put the various children in the correct family. The 1910 census states that Delos and Eliza had been married for 43 years, which would put their marriage AFTER his return from the war. It also may mean that the children Ida and Eugene from the 1870 census are children from his first marriage. I realize I'm probably telling you something you already know but I'd rather toss these out here in case you need the info. Shelly Could someone tell me if Delos ROBINSON is listed on the 1890 census. He died in LaSalle in 1906 and fought with the 129th infantry of Ill. Thanks, Cindy For what it's worth (and you may already know this), there was a fellow of the same name in the 1910 census: ROBINSON DELOS 75 M W NY IL LASALLE MISSION TWP 1910 ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Cindy - Do you have access to Ancestry? You can view the application the widow made. Here's what I see. . . On June 24, 1889, there was a filing that stated he was an invalid. Clearly, he was still living at this point, therefore, there may be testimony that he made in the file. This differs from the three files I have in which the widows all filed for pensions after their husband's died. Then there is a widow's filing, wife's name Eliza. If I'm reading this correctly, it is dated Mar. 5, 1914. I can't be 100% sure of that date as the J from the June loops way down into that part of the form. It does NOT look like an 0, however. The length of the enlistment was fairly long - 1862 - 1865. He was mustered out rather than sent out on disability. Because of this, there is a chance that the widow had a difficult time proving that her husband was indeed disabled from his service in the war, which might create an nice environment for a lot of testimony. Also, if the 1910 Delos in LaSalle County is your guy, that record notes that this is a second marriage for both he and Eliza. A friend who ordered the full file from NARA received the marriage date and death date of her ancestor's first wife. This helped her to be able to put the various children in the correct family. The 1910 census states that Delos and Eliza had been married for 43 years, which would put their marriage AFTER his return from the war. It also may mean that the children Ida and Eugene from the 1870 census are children from his first marriage. I realize I'm probably telling you something you already know but I'd rather toss these out here in case you need the info. Shelly Could someone tell me if Delos ROBINSON is listed on the 1890 census. He died in LaSalle in 1906 and fought with the 129th infantry of Ill. Thanks, Cindy For what it's worth (and you may already know this), there was a fellow of the same name in the 1910 census: ROBINSON DELOS 75 M W NY IL LASALLE MISSION TWP 1910

Hello Tim and all. I'm going to add my 2 cents worth on this discussion. I've ordered 3 pension files from the National Archives, each of them the full file for $37.00. Each of them is quite different in what data it contains. At the minimum, each of them documents the wedding date of the veteran and his wife and seeks to determine whether they had remained as husband and wife through the Vet's death and that she remained unmarried to the point of application. To do this, there may be fairly detailed information from the person who married them or people who witnessed their marriage and knew them throughout their lives. I've noticed that the amount of info in the file depends a lot on how often the veteran moved. Where the veteran stayed in the same location there is less info in the files, at least the ones that I have. One of my Vets moved to many, many places after the war and there is detailed information about where they lived and when, who they knew, and testimony from those persons. I learned about floods and fires, children,siblings and friends, as well as statements from physicians. That particular file contains tons of affidavits from many people in their lives. Where my Vet remained in the same location, the files simply document the marriage and the injuries the Vet received and how it impacted his employment. Still, the affidavits may lead to further records because it gives you an insight into friends and occupations. The smallest of my files weighed 3/4 of a pound. Gee, it seems to me that since they don't charge your credit card until after they've located the file, that they ought to charge you the smaller charge if they only locate a few pages. Do keep your records. Should the files be located at a later date, you might be able to make the argument that you've already paid for them and that they ought to be provided to you free of charge. Best of luck. Shelly

Jane, Now I'd like to interrupt... LOL .... Heritage now has the Rev Pension files. If you give me the name of the person that you're looking for, I can e mail the whole file to you in a matter of hours! Let me know if you want my help. Leslie

Please send me Cindy's e-mail and we can do this directly. When you go to the Nat Arch yourself there is No Charge. Yee Haw!!I I'll try to get on this next week. Delighted to be able to help someone after all the help I have needed and probably will continue to need until I stop this foolishness altogether, if ever. Jane On Apr 23, 2005, at 7:51 PM, Tim Bryant wrote: > Well, the thing is, I only had an interest in one fellow who is my > girlfriend's g-grandfather, so getting the muster rolls for him was > all I > needed. This guy was later written up extensively in the History of > Mercer > County and it gave a lot of great details of his Civil War experience. > > Jane, if you want to look something up for Cindy, go ahead and I'll do > what > I can to resolve your LaSalle County queries. > > Best wishes, > > Tim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cynthia Mac Suibhne [mailto:barkupthetree@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 4:59 PM > To: ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [ILLASALLE] ROBINSON Delos and the 1890 Special Civil War > Pensioners > > > I'd take Jane up on that on Tim. If you go through her she can tell > you how > many pages your vets pension file is but NARA won't. It's $17.00 just > for > the basics when it comes to Pension files and $37.00 complete...well > one > doesn't know what it contains so maybe something will be left out by > only > ordering the $17.00 one you know, and why spend $17.00 when for $20.00 > more > you get the complete file...unless of course the file is 5 pages > whether > it's $17 or $37. > I'm not complaining since I can't get to the archives and I have > ordered Rev > War Pension files on film through the FHC and spent a small fortune on > .25 > cent copies. Unfortunatley the Civil War Pension files aren't on film > through FHC. > I did locate the Ill. 1883 list of Civil War Pensioners for LaSalle and > Delos hasn't filed maybe he did later on. > Cindy > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Well, the thing is, I only had an interest in one fellow who is my girlfriend's g-grandfather, so getting the muster rolls for him was all I needed. This guy was later written up extensively in the History of Mercer County and it gave a lot of great details of his Civil War experience. Jane, if you want to look something up for Cindy, go ahead and I'll do what I can to resolve your LaSalle County queries. Best wishes, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Mac Suibhne [mailto:barkupthetree@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 4:59 PM To: ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ILLASALLE] ROBINSON Delos and the 1890 Special Civil War Pensioners I'd take Jane up on that on Tim. If you go through her she can tell you how many pages your vets pension file is but NARA won't. It's $17.00 just for the basics when it comes to Pension files and $37.00 complete...well one doesn't know what it contains so maybe something will be left out by only ordering the $17.00 one you know, and why spend $17.00 when for $20.00 more you get the complete file...unless of course the file is 5 pages whether it's $17 or $37. I'm not complaining since I can't get to the archives and I have ordered Rev War Pension files on film through the FHC and spent a small fortune on .25 cent copies. Unfortunatley the Civil War Pension files aren't on film through FHC. I did locate the Ill. 1883 list of Civil War Pensioners for LaSalle and Delos hasn't filed maybe he did later on. Cindy

Cindy, I have had Molly Kennedy get documents for me in Springfield, Illinois. I think her charges are reasonable. She has a website http://www.mollx.com Jean Taylor, Indiana > One more thing and then I'll keep quiet about the cost of genealogical papers. Am I reading the Ill. State Archives correctly? Because I'm not a resident of Ill. the fee for 2 uncertified muster roll papers are $10.00? I'd be happy to send for them if I'm reading that correctly. For some reason I can't get into the site to order online but I can just send for them.

Tim, yes he is one of Richard Oswald Baird and Isabella's Temple Baird's sons. Richard Oswald jnr. started Baird photographic studio at Astoria, I have some old family photos in my possession that were sent by him back to his Grandparents in England. So I guess that's why he describes himself as an Artist. Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Bryant" <tpbryant9@yahoo.com> To: <ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 5:44 PM Subject: [ILLASALLE] Richard BAIRD in 1890 census > Hello, Mike-- > > I didn't know it myself till this morning. > > Unfortunately, I don't have direct access to the 1890 census, though there > is a Richard O. Baird in the 1900 census: > > BAIRD RICHARD O 34 M W ENGL IL FULTON ASTORIA TWP 1900 > > Fulton Cty is just east of McDonough. > > Might this guy be your Richard and Isabella's son, or another relative? > Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, both born in 1866 (she in Scotland) > migrated to the U.S. in 1871, and a son, Earle, age 8, is also listed. > Surprisingly, Richard's occupation is "Artist." He's also listed in the > 1910 > and 1920 censuses. Heck, you probably know all this already. > > Say hello to the missus. > > Best wishes, > > Tim > > P.S. If you try a search on Ancestry.com for the 1890 census, you'll see > that some other counties' records survived, e.g., Perry, but no cigar on > Richard. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Temple [mailto:jmtemple@telefonica.net] > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 9:12 AM > To: ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ILLASALLE] ROBINSON Delos and the 1890 Special Civil War > Pensioners > > > Tim, > could you do a look up for me on the 1890 McDonough census at > (probably) Colchester. > I'm looking to see if ancestors were there, > should be Richard Oswald BAIRD and his wife Isabella TEMPLE BAIRD (my > G.G/fathers sister) and their children. > They emigrated to America sometime after the end of the civil war, about > 1870 I think, and ended up at Colchester, where they owned coal and clay > mines. > I didn't realise that some of the 1890 census had survived, I had thought > it > all destroyed in a fire. > Mike Temple, Spain. > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 > >

Here I am interrupting a perfectly sad discussion of the records cost at the Nat. Arch. And I can go there any old times. Let me know what yo want and I'll run down there and get it for you. How about an exchange? I'll go to the Nat Archives if you will find info at LaSalle Co for me about an ancestor of mine. If you are agreeable to this do let me know I need to go looking for a REv War ancestor of my own in the next couple of weeks. Jane Bubier (drane@comcast.net0 On Apr 23, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Tim Bryant wrote: > Cindy, > > I haven't done anything with the national archives myself. I wonder > whether > there's some way to see what the holdings consist of before you shell > out > the dough--like a notation of how many pages are available. Thanks for > sharing your experience. The more discussion of the subject on the > list, the > more it will benefit people with like interests. > > Best wishes, > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cynthia Mac Suibhne [mailto:barkupthetree@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 2:16 PM > To: ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [ILLASALLE] ROBINSON Delos and the 1890 Special Civil War > Pensioners > > > Thanks again Tim, whether to pay $37.00 for the complete pension file > is > the tricky part. I sent for one and it was only five pages not much for > $37.00. My vet served only a few months in one regiment before he must > have > been sent or joined another regiment. His records for some reason > didn't > follow him and I haven't found the other troop he was with. But I have > a > friend I do genealogy with and she has several files none under 50 > pages > long. I was so jealous the day she came to me with a new binder and > 100 poly > sheets for one file. That's worth $37.00 because it was full of > information. > Her vet married two women during the war and it wasn't until he died > and > both were widowed that they applied for their loving husband's pension > only > to find out there was another woman. Another one of hers was in > Anderson > Prison and wounded and the file came with drawings of the location of > his > wounds. That would be an extreme but something more lengthy then 5 > pages > would be nice, for pensio! > n a vet > has to prove his place of birth, maybe testimony of another family > member > as to where, place of marriage, children ect. anyway > Thanks for the muster roll site I'm going to request that. > Cindy > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Tim, could you do a look up for me on the 1890 McDonough census at (probably) Colchester. I'm looking to see if ancestors were there, should be Richard Oswald BAIRD and his wife Isabella TEMPLE BAIRD (my G.G/fathers sister) and their children. They emigrated to America sometime after the end of the civil war, about 1870 I think, and ended up at Colchester, where they owned coal and clay mines. I didn't realise that some of the 1890 census had survived, I had thought it all destroyed in a fire. Mike Temple, Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Bryant" <tpbryant9@yahoo.com> To: <ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [ILLASALLE] ROBINSON Delos and the 1890 Special Civil War Pensioners > Cindy, > > I can't find an 1890 census entry, and that is not be surprising because > most of the 1890 federal census was destroyed by fire. Only McDonough > County > was spared. > > For what it's worth (and you may already know this), there was a fellow of > the same name in the 1910 census: > > ROBINSON DELOS 75 M W NY IL LASALLE MISSION TWP 1910 > > The same person is on the 1860, 1870, and 1900 censuses. > > Of course, your man could well have been a different person (especially if > he died in 1906!), as his Civil War record states his residence was > Livingston County: > > ROBINSON, DELOS SGT C 129 IL US INF LIVINGSTON CO > > And Mission Twp wasn't close to Livingston Cty: > http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/irad/township_maps/lasalle_m > ap.html > > Best wishes, > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cynthia Mac Suibhne [mailto:barkupthetree@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 7:04 AM > To: ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ILLASALLE] ROBINSON Delos and the 1890 Special Civil War > Pensioners > > > Could someone tell me if Delos ROBINSON is listed on the 1890 census. He > died in LaSalle in 1906 and fought with the 129th infantry of Ill. > Thanks, > Cindy > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 > >

One more thing and then I'll keep quiet about the cost of genealogical papers. Am I reading the Ill. State Archives correctly? Because I'm not a resident of Ill. the fee for 2 uncertified muster roll papers are $10.00? I'd be happy to send for them if I'm reading that correctly. For some reason I can't get into the site to order online but I can just send for them. Cindy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I'd take Jane up on that on Tim. If you go through her she can tell you how many pages your vets pension file is but NARA won't. It's $17.00 just for the basics when it comes to Pension files and $37.00 complete...well one doesn't know what it contains so maybe something will be left out by only ordering the $17.00 one you know, and why spend $17.00 when for $20.00 more you get the complete file...unless of course the file is 5 pages whether it's $17 or $37. I'm not complaining since I can't get to the archives and I have ordered Rev War Pension files on film through the FHC and spent a small fortune on .25 cent copies. Unfortunatley the Civil War Pension files aren't on film through FHC. I did locate the Ill. 1883 list of Civil War Pensioners for LaSalle and Delos hasn't filed maybe he did later on. Cindy Tim Bryant <tpbryant9@yahoo.com> wrote: Cindy, I haven't done anything with the national archives myself. I wonder whether there's some way to see what the holdings consist of before you shell out the dough--like a notation of how many pages are available. Thanks for sharing your experience. The more discussion of the subject on the list, the more it will benefit people with like interests. Best wishes, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Mac Suibhne [mailto:barkupthetree@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 2:16 PM To: ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ILLASALLE] ROBINSON Delos and the 1890 Special Civil War Pensioners Thanks again Tim, whether to pay $37.00 for the complete pension file is the tricky part. I sent for one and it was only five pages not much for $37.00. My vet served only a few months in one regiment before he must have been sent or joined another regiment. His records for some reason didn't follow him and I haven't found the other troop he was with. But I have a friend I do genealogy with and she has several files none under 50 pages long. I was so jealous the day she came to me with a new binder and 100 poly sheets for one file. That's worth $37.00 because it was full of information. Her vet married two women during the war and it wasn't until he died and both were widowed that they applied for their loving husband's pension only to find out there was another woman. Another one of hers was in Anderson Prison and wounded and the file came with drawings of the location of his wounds. That would be an extreme but something more lengthy then 5 pages would be nice, for pensio! n a vet has to prove his place of birth, maybe testimony of another family member as to where, place of marriage, children ect. anyway Thanks for the muster roll site I'm going to request that. Cindy ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Cindy, I haven't done anything with the national archives myself. I wonder whether there's some way to see what the holdings consist of before you shell out the dough--like a notation of how many pages are available. Thanks for sharing your experience. The more discussion of the subject on the list, the more it will benefit people with like interests. Best wishes, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Mac Suibhne [mailto:barkupthetree@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 2:16 PM To: ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ILLASALLE] ROBINSON Delos and the 1890 Special Civil War Pensioners Thanks again Tim, whether to pay $37.00 for the complete pension file is the tricky part. I sent for one and it was only five pages not much for $37.00. My vet served only a few months in one regiment before he must have been sent or joined another regiment. His records for some reason didn't follow him and I haven't found the other troop he was with. But I have a friend I do genealogy with and she has several files none under 50 pages long. I was so jealous the day she came to me with a new binder and 100 poly sheets for one file. That's worth $37.00 because it was full of information. Her vet married two women during the war and it wasn't until he died and both were widowed that they applied for their loving husband's pension only to find out there was another woman. Another one of hers was in Anderson Prison and wounded and the file came with drawings of the location of his wounds. That would be an extreme but something more lengthy then 5 pages would be nice, for pensio! n a vet has to prove his place of birth, maybe testimony of another family member as to where, place of marriage, children ect. anyway Thanks for the muster roll site I'm going to request that. Cindy

Thanks again Tim, whether to pay $37.00 for the complete pension file is the tricky part. I sent for one and it was only five pages not much for $37.00. My vet served only a few months in one regiment before he must have been sent or joined another regiment. His records for some reason didn't follow him and I haven't found the other troop he was with. But I have a friend I do genealogy with and she has several files none under 50 pages long. I was so jealous the day she came to me with a new binder and 100 poly sheets for one file. That's worth $37.00 because it was full of information. Her vet married two women during the war and it wasn't until he died and both were widowed that they applied for their loving husband's pension only to find out there was another woman. Another one of hers was in Anderson Prison and wounded and the file came with drawings of the location of his wounds. That would be an extreme but something more lengthy then 5 pages would be nice, for pensio! n a vet has to prove his place of birth, maybe testimony of another family member as to where, place of marriage, children ect. anyway Thanks for the muster roll site I'm going to request that. Cindy Tim Bryant <tpbryant9@yahoo.com> wrote: Cindy, You're quite welcome. You can get the muster roll for free by making a request at http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/datcivil.html#photocopies. All you need is the database info I included in my earlier response. I'm happy I got the right guy. I have a friend at work who did get the pension file for one of his ancestors, and I believe it was worth his while. Best wishes, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Mac Suibhne [mailto:barkupthetree@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 10:17 AM To: ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ILLASALLE] ROBINSON Delos and the 1890 Special Civil War Pensioners Thanks Tim, that's my Delos but I wasn't sure how much of the 1890 census survived. Here in Ohio I think all the 1890 Civil War Pension for Widows and Pensioners is avalible. I did see he was in the Ill. 129th infantry but I didn't know whether it was worth sending $37.00 to NARA for his pension file if it didn't exist. I do have a Civil War vet in the family who didn't file for pension. Otherwise I could just send $17.00 for the muster roll and any other info Delos file contained. Thanks again, Cindy ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Cindy, You're quite welcome. You can get the muster roll for free by making a request at http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/datcivil.html#photocopies. All you need is the database info I included in my earlier response. I'm happy I got the right guy. I have a friend at work who did get the pension file for one of his ancestors, and I believe it was worth his while. Best wishes, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Mac Suibhne [mailto:barkupthetree@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 10:17 AM To: ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ILLASALLE] ROBINSON Delos and the 1890 Special Civil War Pensioners Thanks Tim, that's my Delos but I wasn't sure how much of the 1890 census survived. Here in Ohio I think all the 1890 Civil War Pension for Widows and Pensioners is avalible. I did see he was in the Ill. 129th infantry but I didn't know whether it was worth sending $37.00 to NARA for his pension file if it didn't exist. I do have a Civil War vet in the family who didn't file for pension. Otherwise I could just send $17.00 for the muster roll and any other info Delos file contained. Thanks again, Cindy

Hello, Mike-- I didn't know it myself till this morning. Unfortunately, I don't have direct access to the 1890 census, though there is a Richard O. Baird in the 1900 census: BAIRD RICHARD O 34 M W ENGL IL FULTON ASTORIA TWP 1900 Fulton Cty is just east of McDonough. Might this guy be your Richard and Isabella's son, or another relative? Richard and his wife, Elizabeth, both born in 1866 (she in Scotland) migrated to the U.S. in 1871, and a son, Earle, age 8, is also listed. Surprisingly, Richard's occupation is "Artist." He's also listed in the 1910 and 1920 censuses. Heck, you probably know all this already. Say hello to the missus. Best wishes, Tim P.S. If you try a search on Ancestry.com for the 1890 census, you'll see that some other counties' records survived, e.g., Perry, but no cigar on Richard. -----Original Message----- From: Temple [mailto:jmtemple@telefonica.net] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 9:12 AM To: ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ILLASALLE] ROBINSON Delos and the 1890 Special Civil War Pensioners Tim, could you do a look up for me on the 1890 McDonough census at (probably) Colchester. I'm looking to see if ancestors were there, should be Richard Oswald BAIRD and his wife Isabella TEMPLE BAIRD (my G.G/fathers sister) and their children. They emigrated to America sometime after the end of the civil war, about 1870 I think, and ended up at Colchester, where they owned coal and clay mines. I didn't realise that some of the 1890 census had survived, I had thought it all destroyed in a fire. Mike Temple, Spain.

Cindy, I can't find an 1890 census entry, and that is not be surprising because most of the 1890 federal census was destroyed by fire. Only McDonough County was spared. For what it's worth (and you may already know this), there was a fellow of the same name in the 1910 census: ROBINSON DELOS 75 M W NY IL LASALLE MISSION TWP 1910 The same person is on the 1860, 1870, and 1900 censuses. Of course, your man could well have been a different person (especially if he died in 1906!), as his Civil War record states his residence was Livingston County: ROBINSON, DELOS SGT C 129 IL US INF LIVINGSTON CO And Mission Twp wasn't close to Livingston Cty: http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/irad/township_maps/lasalle_m ap.html Best wishes, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Mac Suibhne [mailto:barkupthetree@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 7:04 AM To: ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILLASALLE] ROBINSON Delos and the 1890 Special Civil War Pensioners Could someone tell me if Delos ROBINSON is listed on the 1890 census. He died in LaSalle in 1906 and fought with the 129th infantry of Ill. Thanks, Cindy

Thanks Tim, that's my Delos but I wasn't sure how much of the 1890 census survived. Here in Ohio I think all the 1890 Civil War Pension for Widows and Pensioners is avalible. I did see he was in the Ill. 129th infantry but I didn't know whether it was worth sending $37.00 to NARA for his pension file if it didn't exist. I do have a Civil War vet in the family who didn't file for pension. Otherwise I could just send $17.00 for the muster roll and any other info Delos file contained. Thanks again, Cindy Tim Bryant <tpbryant9@yahoo.com> wrote: Cindy, I can't find an 1890 census entry, and that is not be surprising because most of the 1890 federal census was destroyed by fire. Only McDonough County was spared. For what it's worth (and you may already know this), there was a fellow of the same name in the 1910 census: ROBINSON DELOS 75 M W NY IL LASALLE MISSION TWP 1910 The same person is on the 1860, 1870, and 1900 censuses. Of course, your man could well have been a different person (especially if he died in 1906!), as his Civil War record states his residence was Livingston County: ROBINSON, DELOS SGT C 129 IL US INF LIVINGSTON CO And Mission Twp wasn't close to Livingston Cty: http://www.sos.state.il.us/departments/archives/irad/township_maps/lasalle_m ap.html Best wishes, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Mac Suibhne [mailto:barkupthetree@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 7:04 AM To: ILLASALL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ILLASALLE] ROBINSON Delos and the 1890 Special Civil War Pensioners Could someone tell me if Delos ROBINSON is listed on the 1890 census. He died in LaSalle in 1906 and fought with the 129th infantry of Ill. Thanks, Cindy ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com