> Surnames: ALBERTS, ALBERT, BOWMAN, AND BOWMAN > I would like to like to locate an Obituary and the burial location for William ALBERTS, my gggrandfather. He and his family resided in Eagle Township, LaSalle County Illinois. Their farm was on Section 12, Twp 31, Rge 2. He died on September 1, 1850 according to his probate papers. His religious affilitation was with the Lutheran Church in Ostfriesland. The legal notices for his estate appeared in the Ottawa Free Trader, a weekly newspaper. Can someone tell me if there was a Lutheran Church and Cemetery near their residence in Eagle Township that would have been in existence in 1850. William's wife's name was Gebke and his children's names were Jacob, Janna or Johanna, Gebke, Wilmke, Anke or Anna, and Frederick or John. William's wife later married William BAUMANN or BOWMAN and resided in Nebraska Township, Livingston County. > > Thank You > > Rod Van Horn in North Dakota

Thanks to all those listers who answered my query about cemeteries. Kind of sounds like California - depends on how old the cemetery is and who is administering it. Perpetual care cemeteries usually have very good records, but others sure do not. Joy

Joy, If you can surmise which cemetery she may be buried at, they may very well still have the records. I sent to St. Vincent's Cemetery for burial records, and although it is now run by a management company, they had records back to about 1870, and sent me a prompt reply with the records I had requested. It's probably worth a try. Regards, Susan Dobson

Does anyone know if Peru, Illinois has a newspaper? If so, can someone tell me where to find it online, or give me an address of the newspaper so that I can request an obit from 1996? Thanks, Zack Pasters [email protected]

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Blank Anyone interested in tracing Farrells? I compiled a 7-page (74K) record of residents of Ottawa IL (and some surrounding communities) , named Farrell (Farll, Farrel, Farrol, & etc ) as shown in images of the 1840 Census thru the 1930 Census pages. I would be glad to send that WORD attachment to anyone interested in IL Farrells. Tom [email protected]

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Hi, RE: Cemeteries Old St. Stephen's cemetery in Streator was the Slovak Catholic cemetery until 1940. The only records are the tombstone records done by the Guild. This is the cemetery for the oldest Slovak Catholic church in the US, and they use the Guild's list. One of my relatives put in a stone a few years ago. She could not find exactly where her relative was buried, so, she put the marker by the fence where someone thought the grave was. St. Anthony's in Streator seems to be fairly accurate. Or else, I have been lucky and found every grave that I looked for. Even Riverview had a few recent years missing, until the Guild published that cemetery. All depends on the person in charge. The Hart's are doing a great job. Riverview and St. Mary's. I have a 10 page obituary list from the Streator paper covering the years 1872 - 1900. The obituaries say the people were buried in Riverview, Riverside or Catholic cemetery. We can't find the graves. Sometimes Riverside meant Riverview, sometimes it meant St. Mary's. We even have later obituaries that stated Riverview and still cannot find them in the records. Lostlands. This cemetery is difficult. You may know that you have the correct stone, but the death year on the stone is off by a year or two from the obituary year. And, it is not just one section or one family. And, it is always just a year or two off, so close... Thanks to everybody for letting me vent my frustrations, have to get back to my obituary list. As a lady told me regarding Old St. Stephen's: "Well, everybody knows where their family is buried." Joanie [email protected] wrote: > > Hi Joanie, > > Thanks for the Gretencord information. The mystery of what happened > to Nellie deepens. > > I have a question for which someone on the list may have an answer. > If someone is buried without a marker in a LaSalle cemetery, is there a > supervising county department for cemeteries, or are cemeteries regulated by > the state. And do you know if cemeteries are required to keep a list of > those buried, even if there is no marker? > > Thanks for any help. Joy in Calif. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

am searching in LaSalle County Illinois, for traces of my ancestors. Looking for anything on my great grandfather Earnest Wagner who came from Germany and married my g-gm Elizabeth Gagel, Oct. 29, 1874., in Ottawa. However, when I found a copy of their marriage license amidst some family papers, I also found a copy of a marriage license for William Schobert and Miss Ellen Anderson. They were married April 1, 1878, in Ottawa, by jp Arthur Lockwood. I do not know the connection between these folks and my g-gparents. Wondering if anyone is related to them and would like a copy of marriage license. Perhaps they can shed some light on the family connection. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

I can answer for a few cemeteries. Found out that my grandmother was indeed in the family lot....no marker. Cemetery records revealed the presence of two unmarked graves in the lot. I would guess only the sloppiest cemetery wouldn't have records of burials. [email protected] wrote: > Hi Joanie, > > Thanks for the Gretencord information. The mystery of what happened > to Nellie deepens. > > I have a question for which someone on the list may have an answer. > If someone is buried without a marker in a LaSalle cemetery, is there a > supervising county department for cemeteries, or are cemeteries regulated by > the state. And do you know if cemeteries are required to keep a list of > those buried, even if there is no marker? > > Thanks for any help. Joy in Calif. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I think in the last 40 or so years cemeteries had to keep a list of those buried there but before that time there is no such requirement. Some kept lists and some didn't. Over the years the lists were lost especially in the smaller cemeteries. The larger ones kept better records. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [ILLASALLE] Nellie McGrath Rice Gretencord > Hi Joanie, > > Thanks for the Gretencord information. The mystery of what happened > to Nellie deepens. > > I have a question for which someone on the list may have an answer. > If someone is buried without a marker in a LaSalle cemetery, is there a > supervising county department for cemeteries, or are cemeteries regulated by > the state. And do you know if cemeteries are required to keep a list of > those buried, even if there is no marker? > > Thanks for any help. Joy in Calif. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Joanie, I went down to the FHC to look at the 1920 census, and lo and behold, found Nellie Schultz, not Nellie Gretencord. Evidently the Nellie who married him was not my Nellie. Anyway, I now have a death date for Nellie McGrath Rice Schultz. She is in the Illinois death index - died in Streator on May 17, 1926. Could you find an obituary for her perhaps. Many thanks. Joy

Hi Joanie, Thanks for the Gretencord information. The mystery of what happened to Nellie deepens. I have a question for which someone on the list may have an answer. If someone is buried without a marker in a LaSalle cemetery, is there a supervising county department for cemeteries, or are cemeteries regulated by the state. And do you know if cemeteries are required to keep a list of those buried, even if there is no marker? Thanks for any help. Joy in Calif.

Does anyone have access to an index for LaSalle county for 1870? I am looking for Peter GEHM and his wife Gertrude SEIF and their families. They were in Lostant in 1866. Thanks. Dale

Hi. In my husband's family tree there is a James P. Redman who married Edith Belle Kime. This is the information I have on that line. My husband follows the line of John Perry Redman [James' brother]. ----------------------------------------------- James: Illinois State Board of Health date of marriage occupation place of birth (La Salle Co) Residence: 1880, Grand Ridge, La Salle Co, IL 1890 Census - IL, La Salle Co, Grand Ridge - son - age 17 "at home" 174-175 Redman, James P. head W M Nov 1862 37 M 16 IL OH OH farmer Edith wife W F Dec 1865 34 M 16 5 5 IL Germ IL Ethel dau W F Dec 1885 14 S IL IL IL Pearl dau W F Sept 1887 12 S IL IL IL Grace dau W F May 1890 10 S IL IL IL Ralph son W M Apr 1843 7 S IL IL IL Mildred dau W F Dec 1896 3 S IL IL IL Dodson, Alfred hired laborer W M Dec 1876 23 S MO MO MO ------------------------------------------------------------- 1900 Census - IL, La Salle Co, Grand Ridge In La Salle Co, IL in 1906. Heenanville farm Ottawa Illinois Friday, June 23, 1911 James Redman Killed ------------------- Wealthy Grand Ridge Farmer Met Death While Uploading Thresher While assisting in unloading a threshing machine at Grand Ridge last Friday morning, James Redman, a wealthy farmer of that vicinity was instantly killed at about 11:30 o¹clock. A tackle that was used in letting the machine down from the flat car upon which it was loaded gave way in some manner and the machine, which was exceptionally heavy was given such a momentum that James Redman, who was guiding it with the tounge, was thrown to the ground. His arm was caught in the front wheel and before he could get out of the way the wheel was upon his head, where it stopped. It was necessary for the men to move the machine before he could be released. His skull was badly crushed and he died about fifteen minutes afterwards. The accident was witnessed by William Redman, his brother, and Roy Gill, but it was done so quickly that neither could do anything in time to save Redman¹s life. Dr. A. G. Millard was summoned and arrived a few minutes after Redman died. An inquest was held Friday afternoon and a verdict given in accordance with the facts. James Redman had been a resident of the vacinity of Grand Ridge a greater portion of his life, and this Spring he purchased a home in the village and was preparing to move into it and retire to private life. He leaves surviving him his wife and five children, all living in the vacinity of Grand Ridge. ------------------------------------------- Edith: Illinois State Board of Health date of marriage place of birth (La Salle Co) parents names: George Kime Nancy Tole (sp?) 7 Mar 1919 Friends in Grand Ridge where shocked to learn of the death of Mrs. Edith Redman at her home in Streator on Wednesday. Mrs. Redman was a resident of Grand Ridge and vicinity for many years and has a wide circle of friends who will mourn her death. The sympathy of the community is extended to the sorrowing family in their bereavement. 1870 LaSalle Co, IL Census (abstract) 86-83 Carter, Chas. 33 M NY farmer Lizzie 21 F KY keeping house Lilly 9/12 F IL [b. Sept] Nellie 6 F IL at home Hanson, Wm. 21 M GY farm hand Kime, Nancy 25 F KY [living with sister] Kime, Edith 5 F IL at home Kime, Geo. A. 3 M IL at home ===================================== First Generation ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. James Peter REDMAN. Born on 26 Nov 1862 in Grand Ridge, La Salle Co, IL. James Peter died in Grand Ridge, La Salle Co, IL, on 16 Jun 1911; he was 48. Buried in Grand Ridge Cem, La Salle Co, IL. Occupation: farmer. He was the son of Andrew Jackson Redman and Sarah Ann Bunger. On 6 Feb 1884 when James Peter was 21, he married Edith Belle KIME, in Farm Ridge, La Salle Co, IL. Born on 8 Aug 1865 in IL. Edith Belle died in 1919; she was 53. They had the following children: 2 i. Ethel Belle (1884-1966) 3 ii. Pearl Matilda (1886-1979) 4 iii. Edith Grace (1891-1969) 5 iv. Ralph James (1893-1975) 6 v. Mildred May (1897-1980) Second Generation ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 2. Ethel Belle REDMAN (James Peter1). Born on 4 Dec 1884 in Farm Ridge, La Salle Co., IL. Ethel Belle died on 16 Aug 1966; she was 81. Bef Nov 1926 when Ethel Belle was 41, she married Charles CURRIE. Born abt 1877 in England. They had the following children: 7 i. Jessie (~1903-) 8 ii. Alice (~1908-) 9 iii. Russell (~1916-) 3. Pearl Matilda REDMAN (James Peter1). Born on 4 Oct 1886 in Farm Ridge, La Salle Co, IL. Pearl Matilda died in Jan 1979; she was 92. Buried in Grand Ridge cemetery, La Salle Co, IL. On 27 Jun 1906 when Pearl Matilda was 19, she married William KELLER, in Ottawa, La Salle Co, IL. Born in 1885. William died in 1970; he was 85. They had one child: 10 i. Lillian (~1908-) 4. Edith Grace REDMAN (James Peter1). Born on 13 May 1891 in Grand Ridge, La Salle Co, IL. Edith Grace died in Dec 1969; she was 78. On 22 Sep 1915 when Edith Grace was 24, she married John A. READ, in Grand Ridge, La Salle Co, IL. Born abt 1883 in Grand Ridge, La Salle Co, IL. They had one child: 11 i. Lois 5. Ralph James REDMAN (James Peter1). Born on 3 Apr 1893 in La Salle Co, IL. Ralph James died on 1 Jan 1975; he was 81. Buried in Grand Ridge cemetery, La Salle Co, IL. Ralph James married Elsie TAYLOR. They had one child: 12 i. James M. 6. Mildred May REDMAN (James Peter1). Born on 13 Nov 1897 in IL. Mildred May died in 1980; she was 82. Bef Nov 1926 when Mildred May, she married Paul LEWIS. Born in from Utah. Third Generation ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 7. Jessie CURRIE (Ethel Belle REDMAN2, James Peter1). Born abt 1903 in Illinois. 8. Alice CURRIE (Ethel Belle REDMAN2, James Peter1). Born abt 1908 in Illinois. 9. Russell CURRIE (Ethel Belle REDMAN2, James Peter1). Born abt 1916 in Illinois. 10. Lillian KELLER (Pearl Matilda REDMAN2, James Peter1). Born abt 1908 in Illinois. 11. Lois READ (Edith Grace REDMAN2, James Peter1). 12. James M. REDMAN (Ralph James2, James Peter1).

Hi! I need some help locating information on: Daniel THOMPSON b: 8 Nov. 1825 Aardal, Norway d: Buried: Father: Thore DANIELSON Came to America around 1850 If someone could provide me with family information on this person's family line I would appreciate it. Daniel lived in LaSalle County, Illinoiis after coming to America. Gwen

Hi Bill, I always thought Kimes was a unique name. Just wanted you to know that I knew a family of Kimes who lived north of Osceola (Clarke or Madison Cos) as I grew up there. Their son, Gary married my dear girlfriend, V, and now div. Gary Kimes was appointed county attorney in Clarke. Then, he was appointed Judge for south central Iowa. He is a real success story. Osceola was on the Mormon Trail out of Nauvoo drawing people out of central IL. This is a thought. Happy hunting, Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bojanowski" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 12:31 PM Subject: [ILLASALLE] KIMES/Jameson > > Is anyone in this group researching the Kimes family of Streator? > I have done quite a bit of research myself and I am looking for others > who can add to what I have found. I am especially interested in old > pictures. > I am also interested in finding photos from the 1890's taken by a > commercial photographer named Jameson. > > Thank you, > > Bill Bojanowski > Highland, IL > [email protected] > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

To everyone who helped me with the "Soxtant" query (it was Lostant!), Thanks A Bunch. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 1:48 PM Subject: [ILCHRIST] Re: ILCHRIST-D Digest V03 #32 > If you don't get an answer, I'll look tomorrow at the library. > I have a book on former names of Illinois towns. > Mary